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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #220 on: July 26, 2016, 01:16:50 AM »
Vote anyways. If someone hasn't earned your vote, then fuck 'em.
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #221 on: July 26, 2016, 08:08:55 AM »
Vote anyways. If someone hasn't earned your vote, then fuck 'em.

That's one way for them to earn your vote...

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #222 on: July 26, 2016, 10:58:03 AM »
We've hit Peak McCarthyism.  The (R)s are doing it in the neo-McCarthy method of accusing people are secret Muslims and such.  The Dems are now doing it the old school way, blaming the WikiLeaks hack on the Russians to try to help Trump.
The crucial difference, as always, is that there is some actual evidence that Russians were involved in the latter. 


To bad the race is mostly between Trump and Clinton. If any of the third party candidates had a real shot at winning I'd vote for one of them instead. I really hate this election cycle.
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #223 on: July 26, 2016, 01:37:10 PM »
While there is evidence of Russians hacking the DNC, what there is no evidence of is them helping Trump.  Basically the whole thing was essentially "uh....LOOK THE RUSSIANS EVERYONE PAY ATTENTION TO THAT".  It reeked of using a foreign "other" to sway politics, the 'otherism' that defined McCarthyism.

I'm also old enough to remember the 2000 election.  I'd venture a guess to say my feelings on it are different?  I don't blame Nader for Gore's loss, at all.  I think it's wrong to blame him for it.  If he didn't run, it's likely Gore would have won, but there were a lot of other problems.  Gore wasn't a strong candidate for one, and you can blame the SCOTUS a bit as well.  In other words, much like all politics, it wasn't a simple 'who's at fault'.  Bush was a very strong candidate that year.  2004 was much different, but defeating an incumbent is very hard to do.

A note on defeating incumbents.  There is a major difference between an incumbent and and someone trying to be the current position's ideological continuation.  In 1988, Bush was the incumbent-lite.  He won.  Barely.  And then lost, because he wasn't a real incumbent.  In 2000, the incumbent-lite was Gore, the previous VP.  This time, Hillary is in that role.  Generally, after an incumbent's term is up, the voting block swings to the other end of the ideological spectrum, electing a conservative person after a liberal person, and a liberal after a conservative.  This is all relatives, of course.  Bush can be seen as more liberal than Reagan, but Clinton was more liberal than him.  So that change DID happen in that election, it just didn't switch parties.  And it fed into Clinton's election.  Gore, however, was NOT to the right of Clinton.  He was to the left.  That really hurt his chances of winning.  Clinton is to the right of Obama.  She will win, and that she is conservative is not a small part of why she'll be elected.  However.  She will be replaced in her re-election bid by someone more conservative, most likely.  There's a chance someone more liberal replaces her, but my money's on a republican at least.  If there's a more liberal republican, that person will likely beat her in re-election.

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #224 on: July 26, 2016, 03:42:31 PM »
While there is evidence of Russians hacking the DNC, what there is no evidence of is them helping Trump.  Basically the whole thing was essentially "uh....LOOK THE RUSSIANS EVERYONE PAY ATTENTION TO THAT".  It reeked of using a foreign "other" to sway politics, the 'otherism' that defined McCarthyism.
I'm going to brush past your repeated invocations of McCarthyism as internet hyperbole.  It does a disservice to the actual harms that McCarthy caused.  Although I'm not disputing what you're saying about the tactic of the Dems, I didn't really pay that much attention to it.  The false equivalency thing, which has plagued us for decades now, does bug me, though. 

I'm also old enough to remember the 2000 election.  I'd venture a guess to say my feelings on it are different?  I don't blame Nader for Gore's loss, at all.  I think it's wrong to blame him for it.  If he didn't run, it's likely Gore would have won, but there were a lot of other problems.  Gore wasn't a strong candidate for one, and you can blame the SCOTUS a bit as well.  In other words, much like all politics, it wasn't a simple 'who's at fault'.  Bush was a very strong candidate that year.  2004 was much different, but defeating an incumbent is very hard to do.
Listen, you and I can't actually talk politics.  I mentioned a personal feeling about a major past event, one that informed my current feelings, and you jumped to this blame game nonsense.  I've read enough of this thread to understand the passionate, but frankly combative and high-minded perspective you take on these issues.

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #225 on: July 26, 2016, 05:38:40 PM »

Vote anyways. If someone hasn't earned your vote, then fcvk 'em.

That's one way for them to earn your vote...


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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #226 on: July 26, 2016, 07:27:08 PM »
Well, it's officially over now.

Unfortunately I am of the opinion that this effectively locks us into President Trump.  I will be voting Stien as I have always held as my plan B.  I wonder what happens now.
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #227 on: July 26, 2016, 07:34:17 PM »
Well, it's officially over now.

Unfortunately I am of the opinion that this effectively locks us into President Trump.  I will be voting Stien as I have always held as my plan B.  I wonder what happens now.

The rest of the world gets pissed at the USA?

Except for those parts laughing.

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #228 on: July 26, 2016, 08:01:39 PM »
Well, it's officially over now.

Unfortunately I am of the opinion that this effectively locks us into President Trump.  I will be voting Stien as I have always held as my plan B.  I wonder what happens now.

The rest of the world gets pissed at the USA?

Except for those parts laughing.

Yup.

(Unrelated side note, check your PMs.  I've been looking for you.)
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #229 on: July 26, 2016, 08:09:47 PM »
But what's this stuff I've heard about Bernie being nominated to run for president at the DNC convention today? Or yesterday, W/e.
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #230 on: July 26, 2016, 08:18:31 PM »
But what's this stuff I've heard about Bernie being nominated to run for president at the DNC convention today? Or yesterday, W/e.
???

It just meant they were including him on the list to vote on, rather than what they were going to do and ignore that he ever existed.
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #231 on: July 26, 2016, 08:20:28 PM »
Well, it's officially over now.

Unfortunately I am of the opinion that this effectively locks us into President Trump.  I will be voting Stien as I have always held as my plan B.  I wonder what happens now.

The rest of the world gets pissed at the USA?

Except for those parts laughing.

Yup.

(Unrelated side note, check your PMs.  I've been looking for you.)

Or people could not cut off their nose to spite their face. That would be nice.

I wish I could read minds to find out why voters are deciding now is the time to choose idealogical principles over pragmatism... :rolleyes

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #232 on: July 26, 2016, 09:38:42 PM »
Or people could not cut off their nose to spite their face. That would be nice.

I wish I could read minds to find out why voters are deciding now is the time to choose idealogical principles over pragmatism... :rolleyes
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #233 on: July 26, 2016, 09:51:42 PM »
Or people could not cut off their nose to spite their face. That would be nice.

I wish I could read minds to find out why voters are deciding now is the time to choose idealogical principles over pragmatism... :rolleyes
Some of us were always going to vote Green.

Not me, of course. I've always been trying to summon Cthulhu.

It seems disingenuous to me to put lots of time and effort into affecting the outcome of a party selection process... then to promptly turn your back and sabotage it when lots of people disagree with you.

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #234 on: July 26, 2016, 10:21:23 PM »
It seems disingenuous to me to put lots of time and effort into affecting the outcome of a party selection process... then to promptly turn your back and sabotage it when lots of people disagree with you.
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #235 on: July 26, 2016, 11:08:12 PM »
Or people could not cut off their nose to spite their face. That would be nice.

I wish I could read minds to find out why voters are deciding now is the time to choose idealogical principles over pragmatism... :rolleyes
Some of us were always going to vote Green.

Not me, of course. I've always been trying to summon Cthulhu.

I gotta say I love his "Eat all humans" platform, that will really solve climate change.  Do you know if Yog Sothoth is going to run as VP?
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #236 on: July 27, 2016, 12:38:29 AM »
Look, I we all know he's going to choose the Colour out of Space to get the chromatic vote.
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #237 on: July 27, 2016, 02:11:45 AM »
theres always the nihilist party


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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #238 on: July 27, 2016, 08:22:20 AM »
It seems disingenuous to me to put lots of time and effort into affecting the outcome of a party selection process... then to promptly turn your back and sabotage it when lots of people disagree with you.
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #239 on: July 27, 2016, 10:30:15 AM »
theres always the nihilist party

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