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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #280 on: September 19, 2016, 09:34:12 PM »
When it comes to a position from which to negotiate, sure--though the UK is still a big market in Europe, so that's a thing to remember. But the political disagreements and frustrations are boiling over everywhere, and one member voting out is potentially a catalyst.

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #281 on: September 19, 2016, 10:43:28 PM »
That is true, but economically,essentially, however bad Europe is because of the exit, the UKis worse.
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #282 on: September 19, 2016, 11:07:53 PM »
That is true, but economically,essentially, however bad Europe is because of the exit, the UKis worse.

Unless the EU falls to pieces as a direct response.

And the UK's economic troubles, as problematic as they might be for me, are less severe than the whole of Europe descending into chaos.

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #283 on: September 19, 2016, 11:56:47 PM »
And we're not going to bail them out again.
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #284 on: September 20, 2016, 12:37:24 AM »
And we're not going to bail them out again.

There's, what, the debt crisis in the Med coupled with Eurozone obstructions, France's terrorism woes combined with a rising right, an eastern wing with migrant troubles, Russia dicking about on the fringes, and Catalan determined to get free? The lid's off, now.

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #285 on: September 22, 2016, 05:42:00 PM »
I liked the book and the movie of Michael Lewis :  The Big Short.

He explains the advantage Iceland had and has over Ireland,
with it's own currency, it could negotiate it's sovereign debt better.
idk the specifics = way over my pay grade, but the movie is more fun.
(Economics is rarely as zexy as Brad Pitt and Ryan Gosling and Selena Gomez).

I think the Germans don't wanna let the ongoing debt crisis get
totally out-of-hand.  They're working so hard (it seems) to keep
Greece IN, and that tips their hand all by itself.

I wouldn't be surprised if a casual 1 step dial-back goes official
and a 2 step "velvet" separation gets fast-tracked.
It's like when that dude shouts Order-Order when the PM is Q'd.
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #286 on: September 23, 2016, 04:03:19 AM »
Really?  Because Germany's actions regarding the Greek debt crisis looks like they're trying to make it worse to me.  The absurd austerity demands are exactly the kinds of cuts that historically lead to worsening depressions.  Its like someone really wants to buy a Greek island or twelve on the cheap.

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #287 on: September 23, 2016, 04:29:58 PM »
Well not me, but I think it's clear the Money-ed class generally prefers Austerity, and more severe than the Chicago school.  They think it's going to work (again) and they'll keep trying it independent of results (again). 

I guess I didn't specify tactics and belief.  If the Germans thought everything would be rosier with Greece out of the Euro, I'd assume it would have happened by now.  Maybe they think they have more leverage this way, maybe they don't care about the results at all, just the connectivity.  Greece almost certainly would have been better off like Iceland without the Euro.


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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #288 on: September 27, 2016, 04:27:19 PM »
Frank Luntz is the Fox News media researcher dude.
His focus group while stacked toward his preferences,
said the debate went 6 Trump 16 Hillary.  His tracking
stuff shows how differently this stuff plays with the truly
independent voter.

PolitiFact was live tweeting Fact checks they had
all ready to go.  Some standard stock whoppers.

MSNBC had an after focus group in Ohio and a totally
silvered granma ~said something like :
I vote conservative, and even if he's a Jack@ss.
You go granma!  It was pretty funny, live.

Maybe a 1 or 2 point bump for Hill, zeroing out soon.
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #289 on: September 28, 2016, 03:01:19 PM »
It's time of a global roundup of where things are awful and explody!

South China Sea is a powder keg, with the Chinese acting super aggressive out there, running wargames, building islands to claim new waters and territory and build bases, and otherwise acting like they want to mess.  Combine with North Korea essentially 'calling our bluff' against S. Korea and the US, saying they want to do things to us.  Nasty things.  It's cute....except they might be able to soon because the Chinese are helping them (wtf?  They were helping them, but kinda sorta not really, now they're doing more and helping their nukes stuff out?)

India vs. Pakistan is getting into its old groove again, with India's PM essentially threatening to violate a treaty signed in the 50's, with India threatening to cut off water via tributaries in Pakistan.  So threatening a water war.  It's kind of on a simmer sort of deal right now?  But it's always a hot button issue, things in Kashmir.

Russia is awful.  And Putin really wants the Cold War to happen again, although maybe a little hotter.  Evidence points to Russian made missiles taking down MH17 back all that time ago.  Russia has almost certainly bombed an aid caravan (a war crime, they absolutely knew it was an aid convoy, and almost certainly were one of two entities that bombed it), and now may have bombed a number of hospitals (also a war crime!)

Syria is just a mess, period.

Colombia has been just a constant hotbed of fighting for the past 60 years, with that civil war raging.  And I mean, it only gets worse every year, it's like...wait, what?  They signed a peace treaty?  And it looks like it's going to hold up?  Huh, I guess not every part of the world is constantly exploding!
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #290 on: September 29, 2016, 02:03:29 AM »
Congress just passed a law that allows the families to 9/11 victims to sue Saudi Arabia.

I can't wait till everybody else uses this as an example to start suing the US for all of our fucked up shit.

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #291 on: September 29, 2016, 02:40:21 AM »
Fortunately, I have stocked up on canned food and ammunition.
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #292 on: September 29, 2016, 02:41:55 AM »
Fortunately, I have stocked up on canned food and ammunition.

It's too bad you forgot guns for all those bullets  :rolleyes

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #293 on: September 29, 2016, 02:51:10 PM »
Congress just passed a law that allows the families to 9/11 victims to sue Saudi Arabia.

I can't wait till everybody else uses this as an example to start suing the US for all of our fucked up shit.

I'm sure many Iraqis are jumping with joy over this.

However it's believed that Obama plans to veto the bill exactly for this precedent.

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #294 on: September 29, 2016, 02:56:04 PM »
Congress just passed a law that allows the families to 9/11 victims to sue Saudi Arabia.

I can't wait till everybody else uses this as an example to start suing the US for all of our fucked up shit.

I'm sure many Iraqis are jumping with joy over this.

However it's believed that Obama plans to veto the bill exactly for this precedent.

The veto got defeated, because for some reason almost all the legislature was in favour of it.

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #295 on: September 29, 2016, 05:27:36 PM »
Yep.  Passed, veto'ed, House+Senate overrode the veto.

W didn't have one until his 7th year.
Those 2 together is a really  long time to have such left-right polarization.
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #296 on: September 29, 2016, 06:27:19 PM »
Only one person voted against the bill too gosh

Edit: I just read that Republicans are suddenly regrettingbthe bill AND are blaming Obama for their ignoring of his veto because he "didn't make the consequences of this bill clear enough".
Mitch McConnell quote there ????
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #297 on: September 29, 2016, 06:44:24 PM »
Only one person voted against the bill too gosh

Edit: I just read that Republicans are suddenly regrettingbthe bill AND are blaming Obama for their ignoring of his veto because he "didn't make the consequences of this bill clear enough".
Mitch McConnell quote there ????

I think about three people abstained from voting on it.

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #298 on: September 30, 2016, 01:04:39 AM »
Also fun: the bill has absolutely no enforcement provision.  So even if you go to the time and expense its prolly up to you to collect the rewards.  Good luck with that...

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #299 on: September 30, 2016, 05:22:21 AM »
I find it really funny that Congress thought even once that laws passed in the U.S. are automatically also laws internationally and that other countries would be assumed to follow it in this case. Yanno, in regards to this 9/11 bill. :p