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Not faster than 'char', though, which is what used to be used until about 6 years ago. Thanks certain-unnamed-mmo-that-isn't-Blizzard-produced.I picked it up playing EQ2 for several years
Identify as noted in the Skill entry and use doesn't tell you a cow is a cow. It tells you that male cow is a four legged bovine dubbed bos primigenius taurus, also called a bull, with no Damage Deduction, Spell Resistance, or other defensive qualities. It's weakness is sharp objects, mud, water, and long falls. And they cannot see their own feet.Common knowledge to milk a bull? (You said earlier that the identify said it was a male cow, also called a bull).
The common knowledge check, DC 10, tells you that you can milk it by squeezing it's nipples. Unless maybe you're not a mammal, do you think a Kobold would look at dangle parts and it wants to know what it would be like to suck on them?
Or the difference between an ancient undead skeleton and your buddy's ex-wife.Are you sure there is a difference?
Oh. I see.Well, this is the minmaxboards ...
Your definition of "not hard" is actually "tailor my entire class build specifically for this one thing at the exclusion of anything else."
Yeah, you're right, I am new to that idea. See the boards I've been reading for the last ten years or so "not hard" is pretty much just that: easily attainable by almost any character... Y'know... not hard.
I'm doing a similar thing with a summoner. Playing a human summoner with Racial Heritage: Half Elf along with Fast Learner to get both the extra spell known per level and the 1/4 evolution points and also use the Wild Caller archetype. (Character and his eidolon are a fledgling Tane created by Ng the Many, of the Eldest of the First World in Golarion)Where have you found extra spell known per level? I have not been able to find any of that stuff. Inquisitor, Oracle and Sorcerer are those I have found that for, but not Summoner.
And as others have mentioned, Power Attack! I would go for that over Ancestral Knowledge if you feel you need more damage. (Extended) Greater Magic Weapon would also give you a boost (at 10h you probably dont need to extend it), Also, if you can get a hold of Bead of Karma, you can get them cast as CL14. That would mean +3 from Greater Magic Weapon as well as better AC-buffs (Cleric/Ordained Champion/Bone Knight/Paragnostic Apostle was awsome)
Not so much needing advice as reading thoughts on the class. Looking at the opinions of others, and wasting more time reading. Just wondering why there's so little about them here. Even tho people arent especially fond of Pathfinder, there are several threads on other PF-classes.Other then people hating Pathfinder in general
That would probably be it, the min/max community in general has a real hatred for pazio and a lot of the pathfinder community.
GitP or the Pazio boards would likley be a better source of advice but they are not really known for their skill at optimising...
The inquisitor won't ever 'suck' compared to full casters any more than any other 2/3 casters will. I think part of the reason that there's little attention to them (aside from the fact that most people here don't like PF) is that they were released in the same book as the Alchemist and the Summoner, two really good classes, and so got ignored somewhat. An Inquisitor doesn't need much to make them viable either, they're pretty solidly built and there aren't many tricks you can do with their class features. (Unlike combining alchemist archetypes, discoveries and spells to create miniature skin golems, inta-death injections, absolutely abominable melee pounce builds; or dicking about with eidolons)
Inquisitor - take a decent melee tactic and build for it and use your class features as bonuses. They're pretty solid at intimidation tactics (e.g. take the Cornugon Smash feat)
The main "problems" with Inquisitor are:Hmm, what made you think of them as an archer class other then the picture of them holding a bow? Ive always had a mental image of Inquisitors as melee. Brutes of faith doing the dirty work the clerics doesnt always want to do themself etc.
1) They're presented as an archer class, yet in practice are TERRIBLE for it.
2) The religious fluff, domain, HD, saves, BAB, and proficiencies make them look VERY similar to clerics. Except...they get gimped casting and half the domains and none of the domain spells/slots. So, the question becomes, "why ever play one over a cleric?" Which is a valid question to ask of many classes since cleric is so godly (heh, pun), but Inquisitor suffers for being so darn similar.
It's not a bad class by any means. Melee and/or intimidating, it can do pretty well for itself, and there are a few gems in the spell list.
) Anyways, its better to play with a whacky group, then not play at all. 
Before your next session begins, have a talk as a group. Explain to the people with very modest knowledge of D&D that for the game to flow even somewhat smoothly, they need to have a grasp of the very basics of the game, such attack bonus and initiative that you mentioned. Granted, learning the very basics of D&D is a task in itself, but there is hardly any point in playing if one has no idea what he is doing.Yeah, some. Thanks
To encourage this, maybe you could strike a deal between the players who have a more comprehensive understanding of the game and the newcomers. Perhaps the more experienced and savvy players could help with learning the rules? In games where I have played with people totally new to the game, we have usually had a first session dedicated entirely to creating characters, explaining the rules, and perhaps running a few mock encounters to see if the players have actually understood how the system works.
Learning the intricacies of the system obviously takes time and some players never become particularly good optimisers for various reasons like not wanting to study copious amounts of books, threads and combinations, but learning the basics does not take too long if the player actually puts his mind to it. So, in other words, I would suggest that you consult the DM, talk with the group, and possibly arrange a session where you go through the basics of the game. Luckily a large chunk of the fundamental rules is available online, so accessing the necessary material should not be too difficult.
Hope that was of some help.
You could try putting together a combat flowchart. Like,Yeah, they know the basic stuff, to some degree. But then, a +2 Dex gloves. Does that give +1 or +2 to attack? Does it give +1 or +2 to initiative etc. Every time they have something not written down on a sheet, like a Magic Weapon-buff, or Bless or something, stuff takes 120 sec or more, each roll ...
Pick a Target---->Roll to Hit--->Add Attack Bonus--->Add Str (melee) or Dex (Range). If you hit go this way. If you miss go this way.
As for building characters for players, some players need it. Some people simply don't have the head for all the mechanics and stuff and get confused. They're not stupid they're just not into the mechanics aspect as much as, say, the roleplaying aspect. We have to help one member a lot when making or upgrading her characters. We list all the options, talk about her character and what she's been doing and her personality and all and work out what to spend points on.Ahhh, the roleplaying aspect
