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Ultimate Magus HB: Discussion
« on: June 16, 2012, 05:59:43 AM »
Discussion thread for the Ultimate Magus handbook.

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Re: Ultimate Magus HB: Discussion
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2012, 03:55:31 AM »
Trickster Spellthief Variant (Dragon 353) has Bard based spellcasting. This can lead to some CL shenanigans when combined with the Master Spellthief feat. Something like Trickster Spellthief 2/ Wizard 3/ Ultimate Magus 10/ X full casting 5 with Practiced Spellcaster (Spellthief) at level 3 and Master Spellthief at level 6 would be quite interesting.

One build I like for Ultimate Magus is: Wizard 5 (Spontaneous Divination ACF, CC)/ Knight of the Weave 1/ Ultimate Magus 10/ Incantatrix 4
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Re: Ultimate Magus HB: Discussion
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2012, 10:09:36 AM »
I like Wiz 5/KotW 1/UM 10/Shadowcraft Mage 4.  You could arguably use Signature Spell (Silent Image) to qualify for KotW.
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Re: Ultimate Magus HB: Discussion
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2012, 10:53:47 AM »
I was wanting a bit of clarification, as I have seen some blasting based builds using Ultimate Magus.

Augmented Casting essentially means you can only ever have 1 meta-magic attached to any spell you cast with it correct?

Thanks for the help!

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Re: Ultimate Magus HB: Discussion
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2012, 05:14:59 PM »
Can you enter UM as a single class wizard using Spontaneous Divination?

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Re: Ultimate Magus HB: Discussion
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2012, 05:16:16 PM »
Can you enter UM as a single class wizard using Spontaneous Divination?

Yes, though it's much less useful -- you don't get anything out of the extra spellcasting levels, for example.
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Re: Ultimate Magus HB: Discussion
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2012, 04:07:18 PM »
I was wanting a bit of clarification, as I have seen some blasting based builds using Ultimate Magus.

Augmented Casting essentially means you can only ever have 1 meta-magic attached to any spell you cast with it correct?

Thanks for the help!

All it says is that "you can't use this ability to augment a spell already affected by a metamagic feat." So if you apply augmented casting first and then additional metamagics afterwards, you might be able to. 

It's a bit of a rules twist, but you could rationalize that it's not "already" affected when you apply Augmented Casting, therefore, you could add metamagics *after*.

I'd say ask the DM for an interpretation.
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Re: Ultimate Magus HB: Discussion
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2015, 02:01:07 AM »
The web article with UM was archived, so the link is broken. Here is the new link: http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20061010a&page=3
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Re: Ultimate Magus HB: Discussion
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2015, 03:09:00 AM »
Change the link for the UM class to start with archive.wizards.com.

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Re: Ultimate Magus HB: Discussion
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2019, 03:36:54 AM »
I should note that Improved Sigil (Krau) or Versatile/Heighten lets you get into Ultimate Magus with Bard 1 rather than Bard 2. This can be relevant for Sublime Chord/Ultimate Magus builds, which ideally want to take a level of UM before their level of SC.

e.g.

Wiz4/Brd1/[+Wiz]5/SC1/UM9 has Wiz18/Brd1/SC7 or Wiz17/Brd1/SC8 or Wiz16/Brd1/SC9
Wiz3/Brd2/UM1/[+Wiz]4/SC1/UM+9 has Wiz17/Brd2/SC8 or Wiz16/Brd2/SC9

but

Wiz4/Brd1/UM1/[+Wiz]4/SC1/UM+9 has Wiz18/Brd1/SC8 or Wiz17/Brd1/SC9.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2019, 04:10:08 AM by magic9mushroom »