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Re: Fun Finds v6.0
« Reply #640 on: February 01, 2015, 07:42:35 PM »
"turning is considered an attack for the purpose of adjudicating other effects, such as invisibility." ~RC's addition

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Re: Fun Finds v6.0
« Reply #641 on: February 01, 2015, 08:44:23 PM »
"turning is considered an attack for the purpose of adjudicating other effects, such as invisibility." ~RC's addition

Such as, but not limited to.

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Re: Fun Finds v6.0
« Reply #642 on: February 01, 2015, 08:58:23 PM »
The key word is "other": turning is an attack for adjudicating other effects, but not for adjudicating itself.

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Re: Fun Finds v6.0
« Reply #643 on: February 01, 2015, 09:18:36 PM »
So, basically Turning is an attack, so long as it matters if it is an attack for the purposes of anything else, but is not actually an attack in itself, so can't be affected as if it were an attack by other effects?
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Re: Fun Finds v6.0
« Reply #644 on: February 01, 2015, 10:07:37 PM »
Exactly.
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Re: Fun Finds v6.0
« Reply #645 on: February 02, 2015, 07:31:42 PM »
So, basically Turning is an attack, so long as it matters if it is an attack for the purposes of anything else, but is not actually an attack in itself, so can't be affected as if it were an attack by other effects?

I would put it a bit differently. It's an attack, but it's not one that has an attack roll, any more than sleep's rolled HD limit is an attack roll. (Both turning checks and turning damage are sufficiently similar, even though one looks more like an attack roll than the other.)
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Re: Fun Finds v6.0
« Reply #646 on: February 02, 2015, 08:16:18 PM »
Another way to put it:

Turning is an attack, but because there is no attack roll, nothing that gives bonuses to such ever effects Turning.  Likewise, Turning deals no damage (some specific feats and abilities aside), so bonuses to damage rolls never apply.
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Re: Fun Finds v6.0
« Reply #647 on: February 02, 2015, 11:12:34 PM »
Another way to put it:

Turning is an attack, but because there is no attack roll, nothing that gives bonuses to such ever effects Turning.  Likewise, Turning deals no damage (some specific feats and abilities aside), so bonuses to damage rolls never apply.

That might be a little more problematic, since if you do manage to tack on damage dice onto turning, then you might, say, make sneak attack turning...
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Re: Fun Finds v6.0
« Reply #648 on: February 03, 2015, 12:15:57 AM »
i believe in the Turning w/ Sneak Attack. the srd entry under rogue makes no mention of a required kind of attack, just that rogue attacks do extra damage.


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i know its ridiculous, but reading over Sneak Attack on d20srd on the rogue page. it kinda dosnt say anything about an attack roll for SA. just "any time~denied dex ~or flanked")
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Re: Fun Finds v6.0
« Reply #649 on: February 03, 2015, 12:18:41 AM »
I'm pretty sure it's been agreed that Magic Missile can do SA damage too, yes?  Presumably the only thing required for SA's "attack" is it does some form of hit point damage.

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Re: Fun Finds v6.0
« Reply #650 on: February 03, 2015, 01:07:44 AM »
Another way to put it:

Turning is an attack, but because there is no attack roll, nothing that gives bonuses to such ever effects Turning.  Likewise, Turning deals no damage (some specific feats and abilities aside), so bonuses to damage rolls never apply.

That might be a little more problematic, since if you do manage to tack on damage dice onto turning, then you might, say, make sneak attack turning...
Perhaps.  It's pretty clear the intent is not to have +attack or + damage apply to Turning checks, though.

I guess a better way to put it is "Turn Undead is flagged as an attack for if/then statements, not for numerical purposes."
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Re: Fun Finds v6.0
« Reply #651 on: February 03, 2015, 04:16:33 AM »
I'm pretty sure it's been agreed that Magic Missile can do SA damage too, yes?  Presumably the only thing required for SA's "attack" is it does some form of hit point damage.

I thought it was the opposite, in fact.  Only things that require an attack roll are eligible for Sneak Attack. 

Quote from: Complete Arcane pg 85
Any spell that requires an attack roll and deals damage functions as a weapon in certain respects, whether the spell deals normal hit point damage, nonlethal damage, ability damage, or energy drain. Such spells can threaten critical hits, can be used in sneak attacks, and can be used with favored enemy damage bonuses.
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Re: Fun Finds v6.0
« Reply #652 on: February 03, 2015, 10:59:49 AM »
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Meh, too long.  Burying it in a spoiler.  Back to fun things rather than pedantry.

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Re: Fun Finds v6.0
« Reply #653 on: February 03, 2015, 11:39:13 AM »
Warforged make excellent Bardblades/Bardsaders; taking 3 levels in Reforged increases all Morale bonuses you benefit from by 1.

Throw on some levels of Battle Howler of Gruumsh, and you stack a +2 bonus on whatever you normally get from class levels.
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Re: Fun Finds v6.0
« Reply #654 on: February 03, 2015, 03:01:55 PM »
Speaking of turning... Since it is specifically called out as an attack for effects such as invisibility... Does this mean that you can use Turn Undead as a cheap-o area of effect Purge Invisibility? Turning normally doesn't affect living creatures, but since it counts as an attack, and breaks invisibility, does this mean that an invisible living creature affected by a turning (which normally would suffer no ill-effects from the turning) will lose it's invisibility?
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Re: Fun Finds v6.0
« Reply #655 on: February 03, 2015, 03:06:00 PM »
Speaking of turning... Since it is specifically called out as an attack for effects such as invisibility... Does this mean that you can use Turn Undead as a cheap-o area of effect Purge Invisibility? Turning normally doesn't affect living creatures, but since it counts as an attack, and breaks invisibility, does this mean that an invisible living creature affected by a turning (which normally would suffer no ill-effects from the turning) will lose it's invisibility?
No, because a creature affected by a Turning isn't performing an attack.  Getting attacked doesn't break invisibility, just performing one.
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Re: Fun Finds v6.0
« Reply #656 on: February 03, 2015, 03:10:22 PM »
The ghaele monster class in savage species gets full cleric spell progression up through 14th level.  Up through 5th level, you don't even lose any hit dice.  So you spend the first 5 levels getting full casting, full base attack bonus, all good saves, and 8 + int skill points.  I think I need to play one of these guys in an E6 game.

What would you do with the last level, prestige paladin?

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Re: Fun Finds v6.0
« Reply #657 on: February 04, 2015, 05:55:35 AM »
The ghaele monster class in savage species gets full cleric spell progression up through 14th level.  Up through 5th level, you don't even lose any hit dice.  So you spend the first 5 levels getting full casting, full base attack bonus, all good saves, and 8 + int skill points.  I think I need to play one of these guys in an E6 game.

What would you do with the last level, prestige paladin?

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EDIT2: Making a character. Damn you!

Last level is going to have to be ghaele unfortunately because you cant multiclass out of a monster class

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Re: Fun Finds v6.0
« Reply #658 on: February 07, 2015, 06:45:28 PM »
In 2005 WotC did actually have some people who knew about 3.5's subtitle of "caster edition." This article admits that casters start out powerful, ignore SR, focus in conjuration, and stay single classed. Wow. http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/tt/20050711a

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Re: Fun Finds v6.0
« Reply #659 on: February 08, 2015, 08:26:11 AM »
Claws of the Savage (BoVD) is usually a decent buff spell for your claws, but it doubles as a no-save-just-suck spell.
It has no save and no spell resistance, so you can cast it on an enemy to have him grow non-prehensile claws over their hands.