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Title: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on July 02, 2017, 11:04:13 PM
Since previous thread reached 50 pages.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 02, 2017, 11:14:44 PM
Well, there's some stuff on the last page you might want to weigh in on (AKA, how would God even work in this setting)

Also, I give up: I have no idea what half-golem option to pick. I think one of the Colossal choices is best at this stage, and thematically because of Amaterasu's own size, but I can't pick.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on July 02, 2017, 11:37:04 PM
Well, there's some stuff on the last page you might want to weigh in on (AKA, how would God even work in this setting)
Dicussed over PMs.

Also, I give up: I have no idea what half-golem option to pick. I think one of the Colossal choices is best at this stage, and thematically because of Amaterasu's own size, but I can't pick.

Roll a dice? :p
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 03, 2017, 12:53:55 AM
I'm not rolling dice to pick a class feature.

I guess I should go for something resisting magic to support the "charge from god knows where" thing.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on July 03, 2017, 01:34:21 AM
Oh, didn't notice new thread ;)
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 03, 2017, 02:00:32 AM
Ikr? Not sure if I'm taking Paragon or no. Definitely taking Moon Vanguard, God and Super Pilot though.

Aha! A rival appears! (is a Real Pilot/Moon Vanguard)  :D

I'm pretty certain nobody's worshipping me, and I don't have any lack of firepower. :P
*points to Kath*

Ah! I've been sold out!  :o

I'm sure that's not the right type of worship.

If it is, given the timeline, size of the setting, and background, I'd be set until God 20.  :cool
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on July 03, 2017, 08:54:45 AM
Yea, I got the worshiper thing sorted out.

And I know there's plenty of dragon stuff, it's just fitting it in. Like, pretty sure I don't have room for monster classes.

Also important, how I'm I coming in?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on July 03, 2017, 10:37:21 AM
Os hasn't thrown any ideas for a dramatic entrance yet to ya?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on July 03, 2017, 05:56:45 PM
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Also important, how I'm I coming in?
Depends on your background and such.
Who you are, where you come from and what you do is likely to have a large impact on why you're there. Once those are figured out getting an idea on the How should be no problem.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on July 04, 2017, 09:07:10 AM
Osl knows for the most part, but in summary...

The daughter of a leader of a neutral protection/exploration organization whom was experimented on by her mother and is basically a freelance mercenary.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 04, 2017, 09:37:23 AM
I need more former pupils! Join Katherine!
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on July 04, 2017, 10:58:06 AM
Lol, she's past pupil stage.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 04, 2017, 12:20:09 PM
Former pupil. :P
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on July 04, 2017, 12:47:46 PM
Well the joke is she was pretty much a trained assassin by age 10. And a physicist at 8. And built he companion (which has a part of her soul) at 6.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 04, 2017, 12:50:40 PM
Even by my standards, that's a ridiculous backstory.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on July 04, 2017, 01:08:48 PM
Yea, I stretched it a bit. But she did receive most her training as a child and did build that doll at 6.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 04, 2017, 05:47:25 PM
Finally decided on a Half-Golem. Remnant, here I come. Nothing wrong with having an experimental AI in your arm, right?

That and something to spend money on. I need a +5 CHA item now.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on July 07, 2017, 03:37:51 AM
Also important, how I'm I coming in?

Surprise enemy attack and you show up first just in time to prevent a complete massacre.

That or you're a foreign exchange student joining the same school as the rest of the party-wait, wrong genre.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on July 07, 2017, 08:39:22 AM
Also important, how I'm I coming in?

Surprise enemy attack and you show up first just in time to prevent a complete massacre.

That or you're a foreign exchange student joining the same school as the rest of the party-wait, wrong genre.

  :lmao

Sounds good.
I think I'm going Moon Vanguard 7 / God 7 / Arcane Pilot 1 / Super Pilot 13. Hopefully I'll have her done this weekend.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on July 09, 2017, 11:05:21 AM
Sorry for double post, but any pointers on how to make the character sheet better suited for the campaign would be appreciated.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on July 09, 2017, 01:10:53 PM
I'd recommend you keep a section of your sheet for when you are within your mecha and when you are without. Nanoarmor and on foot should be similar enough to quickly figure out what applies and what doesn't.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 09, 2017, 01:59:11 PM
Yeah, having a mecha basically gives you two completely different loadouts. Sure, maneuvers and abilities are the same, but the mecha add a lot of differences.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on July 09, 2017, 02:28:01 PM
Guess I'll put the mech data first. Cam someone give me a more specific template? I'd make it myself, but having to work from a phone makes stuff difficult.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 09, 2017, 04:08:02 PM
If there is one, that would be a godsend, as I'm terrified of touching what I've got because SOMEWHERE in there there's a strange formatting error that I can't seem to pin down.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on July 10, 2017, 12:24:45 AM
Guess I'll put the mech data first. Cam someone give me a more specific template? I'd make it myself, but having to work from a phone makes stuff difficult.

(click to show/hide)
You can copy Spell/Maneuver descriptions off their respective tables,or make your own, to complete the full details. As brought out else where, you note every bonus type instead of ambiguously lumping then into four types (srsly go one or all) for easy recalculations. It also creates a one-screen display in a single click enough of having to click on say the sheet, stats, flaws, traits, racial stuff, and class feature spoilers while scrolling up and down repeatedly just to post a reply in the IC thread about attacking someone.

Heck, throw the entire thing into a table to display it to the right of your character image.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on July 10, 2017, 07:59:26 AM
I don't entirely follow, but thanks for the template and the minor editing already done.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on July 10, 2017, 10:24:36 AM
I don't entirely follow, but thanks for the template and the minor editing already done.
Here, I forgot the Arcane Pilot auto-learns a bunch of Spells.

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Spells: 5-3 + 0-0 bonus
(click to show/hide)

It's a pretty "detailed" list since you get a short description of each Spell this way, but you can do this with Maneuvers as well. And really listed out the details like that isn't too bad, for example imagine trying to locate 3rd level spells in that layout and then goto Osl's post (http://storm-shelter.minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=268.msg1023#msg1023) and try to find them, and it can be pretty helpful if you haven't memorized the couple hundred spells in D&D people like to use.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on July 11, 2017, 04:20:07 PM
What is a special power for the purpose of Leadership?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on July 11, 2017, 06:32:40 PM
It is usually recognized has the character having a power that is uncommon in a given setting/environment.
For example, a spellcaster in a low magic campaign would have a special power.  Someone with water magic in a desertic world where water magic is rare would attract more followers by virtue of that special power. An arcane caster in a plane where divine magic is dominant, an orc warlord channeling the power of a demon... (assuming that isn't somehow the norm in that setting) A character with an artifact would likely count as well. A saint's relic or other item of similar import to those he is attracting could maybe also qualify.
Ultimately it is the DM's call, as is usually the case with such ambiguous stuff.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on July 11, 2017, 07:39:08 PM
What is a special power for the purpose of Leadership?
Something like being a detective, mayor, judge, king's guard, deacon of the local church, or a member of a noble family. Probably being a Super Pilot on it's own is enough to count too, or being lv14 since we're supposed to be the highest.

For example, a spellcaster in a low magic campaign would have a special power.
It's on the Reputation table not the Leader Has X table so it's more about the character being perceived as something than what he has.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on July 11, 2017, 09:48:06 PM
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It's on the Reputation table not the Leader Has X table so it's more about the character being perceived as something than what he has.
Absolutely. A charlatan could well pretend to be a wizard in a low magic campaign to be considered a special power. Or some bishop display his fake relic has genuine.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on July 14, 2017, 04:06:51 AM
What is a special power for the purpose of Leadership?

Great renown, Fairness and generosity and Special power cannot be considered at campaign start for leadership. They may be awarded during campaign play.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on July 14, 2017, 06:21:31 PM
Which among the reputation modifiers have been awarded to our respective characters throughout the campaign so far?
So that we may adjust.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on July 14, 2017, 08:21:38 PM
You'll know it when I say it. :p
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on July 14, 2017, 09:42:21 PM
Hm, not sure anymore. I recall you saying that Mao got popular enough to be merchandised, with collectibles and such. If not that, at which point do we reach great renown?
Baha got a similarly huge fanbase.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on July 14, 2017, 09:44:48 PM
I don't think rabid fans count as competent followers  :rolleyes
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 14, 2017, 09:56:40 PM
Renown is a pretty hard thing to measure with this lot. I've got Monster of Legend stuck in there.

Tomorrow I'm finally going to brave the madness and try and rewrite this entire bio to have proper formatting. Wish me luck.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on July 14, 2017, 11:01:35 PM
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I don't think rabid fans count as competent followers  :rolleyes
Eeeee~dunno.
Even high level Esper mages get to be rabid fans.
Though its all about reputation, anyway.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on July 15, 2017, 07:49:08 AM
Hm, not sure anymore. I recall you saying that Mao got popular enough to be merchandised, with collectibles and such. If not that, at which point do we reach great renown?
Baha got a similarly huge fanbase.

Normally that would be true, but in this setting with factories and mass media and whatnot, having your own line of merchandising is kinda the bare minimum to be considered somebody. Mao's toys/games/movies have plenty of competition, actually being in 5th place of Parum's popularity polls just when compared to the other big-name android administrators, and that position swiftly falls further down when compared to stuff like Orguma's own trademarks and brands from other worlds.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on July 15, 2017, 07:40:48 PM
Fair enough though so far the campaign seems to indicate that our characters are quite well known. Reputation that precedes them.
I recall people at the bar noticed Hugo and Baham when they go in and started talking about hem. Renown within the battleship is definite at the moment, following their press conference. (though that doesn't mean they'll remember much of it for more than a few days, until the wave of tweets and maelstrom of youtube commentary dies away)

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The crowd cheers at Mao's statement, snapping thousands of fotos at each word. Clearly they're all big fans of her (or at least pretty good at pretending it), although it's no secret virtually all of the colonizers on board were picked from the population segments that showed greater liking of the Android Administration
Baham being a prince/ss also sort of insures he is well known in his native environment. Most people within a nation usually know the name of their royal family. Even though his reputation may not be as strong aboard the protectora (which wouldn't matter much since he's probably recruiting exclusively from within his own territory.

Speaking of which, Baham has a sibling aboard right now planning his downfall. Was his bait meant to attract that kind of attention as well?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on July 15, 2017, 08:03:08 PM
Speaking of which, Baham has a sibling aboard right now planning his downfall. Was his bait meant to attract that kind of attention as well?
Osl plugged it in a bit ago and has more directly alluded but if you're talking about the wacky walky talky deal, nah that's just goofing off.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on July 15, 2017, 09:04:34 PM
I referred to the one ages ago back just before Mao and Baham left to checkup the monolith. Wasn't sure if that thread went anyway since and was still something to worry about.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 15, 2017, 09:31:44 PM
I have once again succeeded in being intimidated by my own sheet. Maybe if I could just work out what missing tag is causing the entire latter 2/3's to be bolded...
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on July 15, 2017, 10:42:08 PM
You have a bunch of bold tags all over the place. Starting right after your anthro animal's [WHMD? Options] spoiler. Then you close and open new ones right after for no apparent reason.
Otherwise it's quite all right.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 16, 2017, 12:47:52 AM
You have a bunch of bold tags all over the place. Starting right after your anthro animal's [WHMD? Options] spoiler. Then you close and open new ones right after for no apparent reason.
Otherwise it's quite all right.

I'll take a look later. I'm not sure how much is what I actually opened and how much is one missed tag starting a cascade of incoherence.

I would like to note that I still find it hilarious I can fit a "light load" into a mecha. I'm not quite sure how I'm fitting 17 tons in there, but it's an amusing thought.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 16, 2017, 04:49:04 PM
There. Finally. It's done.

I can't remember if the Fast/Faster/Fastest speed increases were supposed to carry over to the mecha or not as it's been years now, but I've sorted the thing out and I'm level 14. Now, what was I doing?  -_-'
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on July 16, 2017, 05:24:42 PM
Now, what was I doing?  -_-'
idk, turning into a Golem in game?

Also I think we've been over this before. But Mechs normally channel all Class Features right? So does Half-Golem's Supernatural-based Class Feature that adds +2 Natural Armor apply to RD's Mech or because it calls out changing her limbs it shouldn't apply? Her Golem-granted DR is also higher than her Mech's DR too (29 vs 26), and RD has said a couple other things on her character exceed her Mech stats too.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 16, 2017, 05:34:53 PM
Oh right, actually manually doing this. And paying people to do the surgical stuff because I cannot. And overpaying because I refuse to count sp.

I don't have the Golem DR yet, that's a level 2 thing.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on July 16, 2017, 09:00:01 PM
Now, what was I doing?  -_-'
idk, turning into a Golem in game?

Also I think we've been over this before. But Mechs normally channel all Class Features right? So does Half-Golem's Supernatural-based Class Feature that adds +2 Natural Armor apply to RD's Mech or because it calls out changing her limbs it shouldn't apply? Her Golem-granted DR is also higher than her Mech's DR too (29 vs 26), and RD has said a couple other things on her character exceed her Mech stats too.
Pretty much except for the mecha stats inherent to the mecha. Mechas for example have their own natural armor and DR stat and it had been ruled that those stats are tracked separately. Say, natural armor gained from class/racial features vs those of the mecha itself and you keep the better.
It had been said that you *can* have it apply to your mecha instead of separately but if you stop piloting the mecha those stats don't return when you pilot the mecha again.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 16, 2017, 09:06:31 PM
My biggest confusion is that my previous movement speeds were supplanting the mecha's baseline. Since it's been like that since the beginning, I think it might have been something that came up before. But hell if I know where in the first OOC it'd be (if it was even in that thread).
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on July 16, 2017, 09:53:39 PM
Say, natural armor gained from class/racial features vs those of the mecha itself and you keep the better.
Stuff like Natural Armor & DR doesn't inherently stack anyway but that's probably what I'm thinking of.

Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 16, 2017, 09:58:39 PM
Oh, so it's use the better of the two rather than just flat-out use the mecha's? That would be useful. Not something that makes the best sense, but an extra 6 AC is an extra 6 AC.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on July 16, 2017, 10:26:41 PM
Osl has said that Mecha function like power armor for larger creatures back when I was asking about Natural Weapons so think of it like it's not a full suit but rather sections covering certain areas to provide mecha-augmentation.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 16, 2017, 10:28:31 PM
It's still 16 times larger than her. The thing's enormous. :lmao

For scale, Amaterasu's about as tall as two buses are long. That mecha is taller than the Eiffel Tower. :D

(Side note, I think it can carry about 130 tons as a light load)
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on July 16, 2017, 10:41:00 PM
Aye, I just remember that I wasn't allowed to use my class abilities that increased DR on the mecha's DR.  They were to be both handled separately.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on July 17, 2017, 10:25:31 AM
So I'm going to have an A.I. based with a Starship as a cohort... Should I make it an Awakened Animated Object or an Android with the flaw that makes it unable to leave its Mecha?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on July 17, 2017, 11:08:11 AM
If the cohort was to be the actual starship, and get ship captain levels for itself, I'd recommend having it be an android with the Integrated AI flaw.
That way it would pretty much be the ship and still make it work for ship captain's battleship stats.
Being an animated object battleship would have its own stats so it wouldn't get the battleship stats from ship captain. It works, however, if you completely ditch the ship captain class and make an animated object starship. However, that ship will only be as big as the animated object class allows it to be. Plus whatever other size increases you can add to it. The animated object has abilities that allow it to carry creatures aboard so it could effectively work as a starship. Albeit a very small one compared to those a ship captain gets.

Depends on how many people you plan to carry around. If you are to carry around mechas as well, though, you'll likely have to have it be a ship captain.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on July 22, 2017, 11:24:46 AM
Great now I have to figure out the Accessories for my Super Robot and cohort's Battleship. Also the type of robot they are gonna use for Support Staff, probably Real but Super Upgrades directly on the ship is cool.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 22, 2017, 11:32:21 AM
Meanwhile, I will remain exasperated that leadership has shown up again. Yet more names to not remember.

You're stealing my 'being fast' schtick. : (
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on July 22, 2017, 11:52:08 AM
Meanwhile, I will remain exasperated that leadership has shown up again. Yet more names to not remember.

You're stealing my 'being fast' schtick. : (

Nani sore?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 22, 2017, 11:57:13 AM
I didn't spend a bunch of feats and stuff to get 220' speed for any practical reason. :<
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on July 22, 2017, 12:29:29 PM
Oh, I don't think I'll be that fast >.>

Also only two of my people are important lol.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 22, 2017, 01:31:32 PM
Prepare for me to never learn their names because they aren't PC's. :D
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on July 22, 2017, 02:04:18 PM
Fair enough, what's threatening to catch up with you speed anyways?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on July 22, 2017, 03:38:29 PM
Me  :flutter
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 22, 2017, 03:52:21 PM
Using a robot suit to do it is cheating. :P

Still waiting for Os to notice this and the questions on the previous page. <_<;
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on July 22, 2017, 03:55:54 PM
Using science is cheating!
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 22, 2017, 04:15:31 PM
A robot IS science!
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on July 22, 2017, 04:21:23 PM
So you admit you're cheating! AHA!
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 22, 2017, 04:48:41 PM
You're cheating more and using external assistance!
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on July 22, 2017, 04:49:46 PM
So did you when they scienced you into reality!
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 22, 2017, 04:53:53 PM
Just because I'm a living fusion reactor doesn't mean I'm cheating! :P
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on July 22, 2017, 05:04:47 PM
You are a Living Cheat Elemental!
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 22, 2017, 05:30:55 PM
I'm not an elemental, they're made of one element. D:
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on July 22, 2017, 05:31:53 PM
You're a Quasi-elemental of cheat.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on July 22, 2017, 05:58:32 PM
Still waiting for Os to notice this and the questions on the previous page. <_<;
Only found this one:

I can't remember if the Fast/Faster/Fastest speed increases were supposed to carry over to the mecha or not as it's been years now, but I've sorted the thing out and I'm level 14. Now, what was I doing?  -_-'

Speed modifiers would work for the mecha speed, like a barbarian pilot would get a faster mecha.

DR and natural armor wouldn't stack however, but you can use your own if it's better than the mecha's.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on July 24, 2017, 07:55:34 AM
Well damn, I need more maneuvers. Guess I may need a straight forward melee initiator class instead.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on July 24, 2017, 10:29:53 PM
Might be worth mentioning that there's a lot of melee in the party at the moment. If you want to melee, be sure to keep some range options because things tend to get heated up quickly. There is also never enough battlefield control.
Having at least one defensive trick or two to mitigate the damage you receive may be essential. There is a lot of burst going around.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 24, 2017, 11:49:53 PM
Wait, we're not going for consistent suicidal overconfidence? :O
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on July 25, 2017, 12:22:27 AM
Wait, we're not going for consistent suicidal overconfidence? :O
Was that the goal?

I just built a kid who uses buildings as legos and kinda of worked up from there.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 25, 2017, 12:24:36 AM
Wait, we're not going for consistent suicidal overconfidence? :O
Was that the goal?

I just built a kid who uses buildings as legos and kinda of worked up from there.

I was going on "big as possible and how fast can I go". I sort of transitioned into trying to be Getter Robo recently, but...

I don't think "survival instincts" were anywhere in this composition.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on July 25, 2017, 12:54:25 AM
I made an obsessive Oujou with suicidal overconfidence so RD is at least correct about 1 of us ;)
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on July 25, 2017, 01:39:39 AM
I made an obsessive Oujou Submissive with suicidal overconfidence so RD is at least correct about 1 of us ;)
Ooooh, a possible harem recruit.

You know what we haven't really had yet in the main story line? A harem fight, lots of girls lolis (knowing Osl) fighting us. Instead we got some leetspeaking duplicator as a substitute :(
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Post by: oslecamo on July 25, 2017, 07:26:59 AM
As a matter of fact the duplicating leetspeaker is a girl. :p

Before Hugo/Katherine/Amaterasu fought the triplet mercenaries. (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=9809.msg285837#msg285837)
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Hired by the purple maid:
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Then there were the unknown warriors (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=9809.msg306741#msg306741) supporting the duplicating leetpseaker which the party fought by the dozens although Mao crushed most of them alone.
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And here are some of the NPCs I've drafted years ago for this campaign but you keep missing.
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on July 25, 2017, 10:06:47 AM
Might be worth mentioning that there's a lot of melee in the party at the moment. If you want to melee, be sure to keep some range options because things tend to get heated up quickly. There is also never enough battlefield control.
Having at least one defensive trick or two to mitigate the damage you receive may be essential. There is a lot of burst going around.

My imprinted Super Robot is supposed to pretty much embody defense. I dunno what to tell ya about not about being melee.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on July 25, 2017, 10:08:05 AM
Prepare to see it go boom in one round, two if you're lucky. :D
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on July 25, 2017, 10:12:36 AM
Harsh
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Post by: Raineh Daze on July 25, 2017, 11:42:03 AM
No, that just seems to be how long mecha survive here.
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Post by: oslecamo on July 25, 2017, 11:49:30 AM
Meh Anomander's specialized in tanking and I believe they never went down, although that may also be because he's been conveniently forgetting every critical since the campaign's start.

Hugo's mecha pretty undefeated too although that would be because he's smart enough to let others tank for him.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on July 25, 2017, 12:07:10 PM
And I blew up in the very first round of combat right at the beginning. :P
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on July 25, 2017, 12:11:28 PM
Meh Anomander's specialized in tanking and I believe they never went down, although that may also be because he's been conveniently forgetting every critical since the campaign's start.

Hugo's mecha pretty undefeated too although that would be because he's smart enough to let others tank for him.

How does one conventiently forget crits? And I was mostly talking about defending for my character, not itself lol.

Eh, tempted to be variant Swordsage... So much decision.
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Post by: oslecamo on July 25, 2017, 12:29:28 PM
Meh Anomander's specialized in tanking and I believe they never went down, although that may also be because he's been conveniently forgetting every critical since the campaign's start.

Hugo's mecha pretty undefeated too although that would be because he's smart enough to let others tank for him.

How does one conventiently forget crits?
Anomander recently revealed that he "didn't know" mechas were vulnerable to criticals despite, during the years this campaign lasted, criticals happening basically every battle and Raineh Daze's mecha going down to them in the very first battle.

Eh, tempted to be variant Swordsage... So much decision.

If you're talking about arcane swordsage, it's not allowed. If it's the unarmed swordsage, ok.
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on July 25, 2017, 02:04:27 PM
Lol, my maneuver progression is weird. I'll stick with Moon Vanguard, though it was a different swordsage variant I was speaking of.
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Post by: Anomander on July 25, 2017, 06:26:11 PM
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Meh Anomander's specialized in tanking and I believe they never went down, although that may also be because he's been conveniently forgetting every critical since the campaign's start.
Mao has a class ability that makes her immune to critical hits.
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on July 26, 2017, 11:44:31 AM
Okay mostly done with maneuvers, but can use opinions. I need one Martial Machine strike/boost/counter of 4th level or lower, and two strike/boost/counter/stance of 5th and lower. Also need an Internet Explorer manuever of 5th level or lower.
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Post by: Anomander on July 26, 2017, 06:12:04 PM
Would love to help but it really depends on the rest of the build. What are you trying to do? Synergy and such.
If you send me what you've got so far I'll have an idea of what you need.


Wondering now if the stuff that was on the market last time still is around and available for purchase.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on August 03, 2017, 10:10:26 AM
What was on the market from before?
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Post by: Anomander on August 03, 2017, 07:25:39 PM
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Post by: SorO_Lost on August 06, 2017, 02:06:17 AM
Oh yeah, I think I made a point about forcing dropped loot.

Fun fact, the Tagvalve/GurBaza when resized to Colossal deals 16d8 damage. But if you really want something abusively powerful pick up the Vita and use the Maug Weapon Graft to turn it into a Natural Weapon allowing you to use a Super Robot Upgrade to add Area to it. For 32k you get an effective +4 Power Concussive Speed MightyCleaving/Seeking weapon that applies a Save-less semi-permanent +20% damage debuff effect on pretty much all of your opponents in a single Attack Action. It also doubles as a Ranged Weapon without having to grab and use the "Tank-Mode" Upgrade.
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Post by: Anomander on August 06, 2017, 08:33:13 AM
The colossal bazooka would have the usual limitation of being a non-mecha weapon handled by a mecha, which is that its range would still be on normal scale (which would STILL be remarkable).
You guys also got the Vol Scale melee weapon that had a 3d6 base weapon damage, which would get pretty darn high at colossal.


The Vita + Maug Weapon Graft + Super Robot Upgrade wouldn't work without using a particular build since super robot upgrades to modify a weapon apply only to built-in weapons, which are a very specific kind of mecha weapons.  There was the option to make a built-in version of the generic weapons found at the market though, but the Vita wouldn't qualify.
But yeah. The Vita's debuff is a huge advantage.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on August 07, 2017, 06:42:49 PM
The Vita + Maug Weapon Graft + Super Robot Upgrade wouldn't work without using a particular build
Huh?
None-mech weapons still deal minimal damage to mechs, but your own mecha/power suit allows you to count your natural weapons as mecha ones.
Also are your Grafts channeled like Class Features are as well? Like if I pick up Serpent Fangs to add poison to a bite attack, does the mech's channeled-dragon's bite also gain poison?
I had a ruling that a class ability (the Charisma Drain) that gives additional effects to a natural weapon can be applied on a mecha weapon that isn't a natural weapon through the Amplifier upgrade (though turns out that the ability doesn't apply to the natural weapons after all, but any weapon). Grafts can be channeled through a mecha as much as a magic item, and there is no mention that they can. But then again there is no mention that racial abilities can be channeled either and there is confirmation that they do, so it's unclear.
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Post by: Anomander on August 07, 2017, 06:58:14 PM
I meant that the Versatile super robot upgrade can only be applied to a built-in weapon. A natural weapon is not a built-in weapon. Neither are arsenal weapons. Nor are any weapon gained by a racial/class ability that doesn't specifically mention that the weapon is a built-in weapon. It is a class of weapon mostly exclusive to Real Robot models and those the super robot starts with and gains such as with the Extra super robot upgrade.
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Post by: oslecamo on August 10, 2017, 08:06:57 PM
Wondering now if the stuff that was on the market last time still is around and available for purchase.

Don't really have time to make a fresh list so yes you can assume everything from last time is still up for grabs.

I meant that the Versatile super robot upgrade can only be applied to a built-in weapon. A natural weapon is not a built-in weapon. Neither are arsenal weapons. Nor are any weapon gained by a racial/class ability that doesn't specifically mention that the weapon is a built-in weapon. It is a class of weapon mostly exclusive to Real Robot models and those the super robot starts with and gains such as with the Extra super robot upgrade.

Correct.

Battleship's beam cannons, missiles and anti-air batteries would count too.
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on August 11, 2017, 11:48:38 AM
So, anyone planning to actually buy those exclusive items?
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Post by: Anomander on August 11, 2017, 08:07:43 PM
Mao's sending her secretary to fetch the Daylight Scars. Might go for a special drink too but there's no limit to those.
Everyone should buy at least one monomate.
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on August 12, 2017, 11:32:37 AM
Good, that was the one I wasn't going to get. Specifically I wanted the Gur Bazga Nacht and Vita Hachet. Also how much do they weight?
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Post by: ketaro on August 12, 2017, 03:07:12 PM
Kat's just gonna order some pure mercury daggers online. I think I was also looking at a small shield of pure mythril cause I can actually still use that in nanoarmor/TWFing. I hear Amazon does shipping by drone now ;)


If I remember correctly, only up to Masterwork quality Pure Metal was available, right?
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on August 12, 2017, 03:43:15 PM
Wait, we can order stuffs?
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Post by: ketaro on August 12, 2017, 03:51:49 PM
Have you heard of this fancy thing called the "Internet"? :p

My post was just in relation to a request many many months ago about if there was any Pure Metal items on the market and I got an answer like only up to Masterwork. I've been trying to spend money from loot split ever since before Mythweavers' big 'ol screw up that rolled back character sheets by 6 months. That was a dang long time ago and I'm only just now finally deciding on what to buy -_-'


Altho in a serious response, yes, I believe you can order non-standard equipment but it'd have a wait time for pickup because needing to be crafted? At least, that was the deal with wanting Pure Metal equipment higher than Masterwork; having to wait for it to be crafted to order.
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Post by: Anomander on August 12, 2017, 06:32:53 PM
If you want both the Gur Bazga Nacht and Vita Hachet, that's fine, but don't forget that:
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Photon Tech-This weapon works by condensing nearby ambient light. It can be drawn or put away as a free action 1/round, but you can only have one such weapon equipped at a time.
So you might have to drop/stash one before you can use the other.
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on August 13, 2017, 09:51:01 AM
If you want both the Gur Bazga Nacht and Vita Hachet, that's fine, but don't forget that:
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Photon Tech-This weapon works by condensing nearby ambient light. It can be drawn or put away as a free action 1/round, but you can only have one such weapon equipped at a time.
So you might have to drop/stash one before you can use the other.

I'm quite aware. I don't think things in my Handy Haversack count as equipped. Oh, and I bought Gur Bazga for my maid cohort...
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Post by: Raineh Daze on August 13, 2017, 10:09:30 AM
Ah, a cohort, excellent. If we need to deliberately trigger a trap, that's another body to throw into it. :D
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on August 13, 2017, 10:27:25 AM
Ah, a cohort, excellent. If we need to deliberately trigger a trap, that's another body to throw into it. :D

Nah, it's my PC's "little sister".
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Post by: Raineh Daze on August 13, 2017, 01:06:14 PM
Slightly less expendable but still just a feat. :T
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Post by: Anomander on August 13, 2017, 08:58:42 PM
Mao's secretary can check for traps. Then we can throw people into 'hem.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on August 14, 2017, 10:39:10 AM
@Anomander, ToB has Martial Items allowing you to learn Maneuvers but they very by Slot.

What Slot would Divine Flame? Neck (for throat & fire breathing)?
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Post by: Raineh Daze on August 14, 2017, 11:41:36 AM
Given the character basis, I would expect arms.
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Post by: Anomander on August 14, 2017, 06:48:49 PM
I'd say whichever slot you want, really.
There isn't really a true rule on how body slot affinity is handled and so it falls to whatever makes sense. Many magic properties can be placed without penalty on more than one kind of body slot as well.
For maneuver magic items, the ToB pretty much made it clear that the disciplines' linked magic item vary so much in style that matters little where they go.
A ring always felt like an always suitable place to put that kind of ability.

Ring, Hand (one glove that uses both hands' item slot), Arms work too for the same reason... maybe Throat for a nuclear-dragon-made variant or even the nuclear chest-eye. One could also argue in the favor of the Shoulder slot because of the space-vision cloak or even Head for the tattered ribbon. She also has special footwear... When it comes to Utsuho and distinctive gear, the options abound.
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Post by: oslecamo on September 04, 2017, 05:03:28 AM
Soro: I was glancing around the character sheets and you seem to have misread Steel Arcanist. It doesn't make you a tristalt character where real pilot levels will grant you full spells on top of maneuvers and whatnot.  The real pilot levels themselves only count for CL and helping you reach higher spells, but don't grant any spells of their own (that's why there's the "wouldn't get the spell knowns and spell slots of a Arcane Pilot 3 however" clause). Consult the table right above and under Neo Divinity to see how many base spell slots you can end up with. It would be a single line of your choice between level 1 and 14. So for example if you shift the arcane pilot level to last, you get base 3 7th level spell slots and 1 6th level spell slot, and no custom known spell because the arcane pilot doesn't learn any of those when going from level 13 to 14.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on September 04, 2017, 08:48:47 PM
Soro: I was glancing around the character sheets and you seem to have misread Steel Arcanist.
Probably, given the part your talking about is a Real/Divine example and with the erroneous example text aside the Feat states you can count your Super Pilot and Real Pilot levels as levels of Arcane Pilot for purposes of CL and for the purposes of learning new spells and getting new spell slots.

Hmm... It's a pickle to solve too. Like Real 5 / Arcane 1 would gain three 3rd level Slots but no 1st/2nd? Sounds like it can invalidate casting PrCs if I don't line up the desired Spell Levels for them.
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Post by: oslecamo on September 05, 2017, 12:32:56 AM
Emphasis on ‘new’. Taking 13 levels of real pilot and then steel arcanist does not retroactively give you 13 full levels of casting. You do not gain the old spells and spell slots.

Consult. The. Table. To know how many spells you end up with. Stop reading only the bits that interest you. Making it hard to prc with single dips of actual caster levels is intended.
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Post by: ketaro on September 15, 2017, 01:14:15 AM
Sorry Os, I know this isn't really important atm but can I get confirmation on what the highest grade of Pure Metal available on the market was?
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Post by: oslecamo on September 15, 2017, 01:50:37 AM
Readily available only up to masterwork. You can order higher grades but will need to wait one extra day per extra craftmanship level.
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Post by: oslecamo on September 20, 2017, 11:52:15 AM
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Nothing was forgotten. Simply only valid characters get in the action, and soro has not fixed his after a series of too long PMs followed by 1 week of waiting.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on September 21, 2017, 06:22:32 AM
Oh, yeah it's been one of those weeks where it seems like I can't get more than thirty minutes into anything before having to do something else entirely. It happens sometimes, like today is yet another 24 where I'm the only guy on for my end so I'll be up all night and sleep most of tomorrow's day off. So essentially on my end I'm sleeping through my days off currently.

I have the last complete sheet on notepad and can easily revert until I get things finished if need be. But the plan noted in PMs in what I'll be going with when I have the time to crunch out the gestated number combinations which requires a bit of forward time investment to sit down and do compared to quick posts or things I can do without actual access to the website (recent filter changes, they suck).
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on September 22, 2017, 06:22:57 AM
By all means revert to last valid build until you have a new one fully ready.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on September 22, 2017, 06:29:06 PM
By all means revert to last valid build until you have a new one fully ready.
Done and I also fixed the Hardpoints, and semi-matched to current Upgrade changes to upgrades real fast, I'll make a second pass in a bit.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on September 23, 2017, 09:13:40 PM
Waiting on SorO to get a chance to get some snark in on the purple maid before Hugo rolls for sexual harassment.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on September 23, 2017, 10:24:08 PM
lol
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Post by: ketaro on September 23, 2017, 11:01:31 PM
She's all ready for you now, Master Lotushand
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Post by: Raineh Daze on September 23, 2017, 11:43:37 PM
I need to find you and a conveniently flimsy wall to burst through.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on September 24, 2017, 12:16:32 AM
She's all ready for you now, Master Lotushand
Is it wrong to feel a little sense of accomplishment for that?
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Post by: Kuroimaken on September 24, 2017, 12:40:40 AM
In case it wasn't obvious, Hugo was referring to her underwear.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on September 24, 2017, 12:57:22 AM
In case it wasn't obvious, Hugo was referring to her underwear.
I did have to go back and read RD's post again after reading yours.

Is it wrong to feel a little sense of accomplishment for that?
Probably because it implies you haven't made things ready for you before. I guess next time just reach out and play with both knobs before reaching below with your fingers, if it's not warm and wet enough try messing with the knobs some more. And to keep from getting a mess on your clothing, get naked before turning it on.

And in case it wasn't obvious, SorO was referring to Kuro's shower.
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Post by: oslecamo on October 17, 2017, 11:20:05 AM
Sorry for disappearing, got a sudden autumn cold and then had a lot of work to catch up with.

soro:
Monster of Legend demands at least 4 levels of monster classes before you can take it. Also plase specify to what are the spellcasting prcs applying to. And speaking of which, gestalt rules state that "Gestalt characters with more than one spellcasting class keep track of their spells per day separately.", which means you cannot use spellcasting prcs in one side to advance spellcasting in the other, just to be sure.

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Post by: ketaro on October 18, 2017, 02:40:52 AM
I missed you, Os~  :D
Welcome back!
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Post by: SorO_Lost on October 18, 2017, 01:06:11 PM
soro: Monster of Legend demands at least 4 levels of monster classes before you can take it. Also plase specify to what are the spellcasting prcs applying to.
Fixed order, had to drop PrC Bard for Bard but fixed to the point where I need to redo Maneuvers yet again.

And speaking of which, gestalt rules state that "Gestalt characters with more than one spellcasting class keep track of their spells per day separately.", which means you cannot use spellcasting prcs in one side to advance spellcasting in the other, just to be sure.
Yeah that came up in PMs along with MoL's Spellcasting questions and your edits afterwards. It uses MoL for Spellcasting & Bard for Music to enter Sublime then all related PrCs progress Sublime's unique casting. I'll admit it's a little unorthodox, but it's basically my last way to avoid dropping Nuclear Dragon for another TD with Arcane Blood. And since the change ups so far actually bring it's mechanics closer to it's flavor as well as letting you see how a strangely nerfed & buffed Real Robot in play, it'd seem like a step backwards to ditch the atomic theme.
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Post by: oslecamo on October 21, 2017, 10:32:52 AM
I missed you, Os~  :D
Welcome back!
Thank you. :)

soro: Monster of Legend demands at least 4 levels of monster classes before you can take it. Also plase specify to what are the spellcasting prcs applying to.
Fixed order, had to drop PrC Bard for Bard but fixed to the point where I need to redo Maneuvers yet again.

And speaking of which, gestalt rules state that "Gestalt characters with more than one spellcasting class keep track of their spells per day separately.", which means you cannot use spellcasting prcs in one side to advance spellcasting in the other, just to be sure.
Yeah that came up in PMs along with MoL's Spellcasting questions and your edits afterwards. It uses MoL for Spellcasting & Bard for Music to enter Sublime then all related PrCs progress Sublime's unique casting. I'll admit it's a little unorthodox, but it's basically my last way to avoid dropping Nuclear Dragon for another TD with Arcane Blood.
-Sublime chord is a prestige class and thus its unique spellcasting cannot be advanced by other prestige classes that advance basic classes spellcasting.
-You also somehow have base 7th level arcane pilot spells despite taking your lone Arcane level at 12th, which should mean 6th level tops even with the feat. Doubly so because Machinery Warrior doesn't progress it at all.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on October 21, 2017, 06:44:52 PM
Wait, that's a houserule or something, right? Because I'm pretty sure one is supposed to be able to advance SC spellcasting through other spellcasting PrCs that advance basic casting.  :???

EDIT: Also, which knowledge would I roll for that? Local? The Planes? Geography? Dungeoneering? (Since she seems to kinda double as a BDSM maid...)
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Post by: oslecamo on October 21, 2017, 08:19:40 PM
Wait, that's a houserule or something, right? Because I'm pretty sure one is supposed to be able to advance SC spellcasting through other spellcasting PrCs that advance basic casting.
You're pretty sure that the point of a prestige class is for you to abandon it as soon as possible yet still progress its main benefit with another prestige class?

If it needs to be an houserule to stop the munchkinism, it shall be so.

EDIT: Also, which knowledge would I roll for that? Local? The Planes? Geography? Dungeoneering? (Since she seems to kinda double as a BDSM maid...)
Local, History, Nature, Nobility and royalty would be more relevant here.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on October 21, 2017, 08:30:00 PM
Osle, we're optimizers. We do 1-level-PrC-dips sometimes for the whole point of making an entire build out of them. I honestly do not understand why you find it that weird, and it's not particularly relevant to me (all the casting I'm advancing is from my base class anyway); I was asking because if that was actually a rule in the system I'd never heard of it before. The almost entirety of 3.5 builds that included SC were predicated on it offering its own base spellcasting for shenanigans, so...

I'm going to assume those have different DCs and roll for all of them, cuz the only Knowledges in my sheet are Arcana and Religion. (Why the fuck did I put in religion? It's not like undead are a thing in PS...)
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Post by: Raineh Daze on October 21, 2017, 11:11:10 PM
Maybe religion helps with Dark Falz? I know not.
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Post by: oslecamo on October 22, 2017, 12:35:56 AM
Osle, we're optimizers. We do 1-level-PrC-dips sometimes for the whole point of making an entire build out of them. I honestly do not understand why you find it that weird, and it's not particularly relevant to me (all the casting I'm advancing is from my base class anyway); I was asking because if that was actually a rule in the system I'd never heard of it before. The almost entirety of 3.5 builds that included SC were predicated on it offering its own base spellcasting for shenanigans, so...
As DM I need to put some limit in the optimization. I already houseruled limits for shadowcraft mage and spell disks shenigans after all.

I'm going to assume those have different DCs and roll for all of them, cuz the only Knowledges in my sheet are Arcana and Religion. (Why the fuck did I put in religion?

You'll need to roll higher then.

Oh, and I guess Katherine can also roll knowledge/sense motive if she wants/can.

It's not like undead are a thing in PS...)

Actually the first four PS games had zombies and specters and whatnot. PSIV even has a whole village falling to zombie apocalypse. Darkers kinda took that role in the online games.

You just didn't happen to go explore any ruins in this game yet. :p
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Post by: Raineh Daze on October 22, 2017, 01:22:16 AM
Now I just need to remember what metal I wanted. Oh well.
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Post by: ketaro on October 22, 2017, 03:13:32 AM

Oh, and I guess Katherine can also roll knowledge/sense motive if she wants/can.

WELL I GUESS  :shrug

I don't have those skills so I'ma just keep myself distracted with the wonderful banter~
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Post by: Kuroimaken on October 22, 2017, 08:35:08 AM

Oh, and I guess Katherine can also roll knowledge/sense motive if she wants/can.

WELL I GUESS  :shrug

I don't have those skills so I'ma just keep myself distracted with the wonderful banter~
I GUESS IT'S UP TO BAHA TO SAVE THE DAY SINCE EVERYBODY FORGOT ABOUT BAHA
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Post by: SorO_Lost on October 22, 2017, 12:44:15 PM
You're pretty sure that the point of a prestige class is for you to abandon it as soon as possible yet still progress its main benefit with another prestige class?
Yeah, I am. The existence of PrCs prove the intent that you shouldn't take more than 25% of a Class and can expect another Class advance most of it's Features.

-Sublime chord is a prestige class and thus its unique spellcasting cannot be advanced by other prestige classes that advance basic classes spellcasting.
Not a thing and Spelldancer gives +1 to existing class, while most others simply give +1 to previous class, so as a specific rule it doesn't care about any particular class's made up titles but advances it anyway (which also answers Kuro's question). And it didn't bother you a few days ago either.

Well, I suppose I could apply Spelldancer to Monster of Legend, then my spellcasting would be HD + 3 and I'd have 8th level Spells and getting 9ths at level fifteen.

Osle, we're optimizers.
In an intended to be highly optimized fast-leveling game and all that's really being optimized here is keeping the Spellcasting & Atomic powers I've already been using in in this four year old game while trying to move to a Real Robot. So I guess Osl is trying to say changing from a Super Robot to Real Robot is too much as he keeps trying to nerf the combinations used to do it.
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Post by: Anomander on October 22, 2017, 05:13:57 PM
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Well, I suppose I could apply Spelldancer to Monster of Legend, then my spellcasting would be HD + 3 and I'd have 8th level Spells and getting 9ths at level fifteen.
Minor point but I'm pretty sure Monster of Legend's Saga casting wouldn't benefit from it. Because its mechanism is entirely dependent on HD, so adding an extra class level to it by progressing that casting with a prestige class wouldn't do anything. Because the Saga doesn't care about the effective casting class level, only about HD, and increasing the casting class level doesn't change your effective HD.
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Post by: oslecamo on October 22, 2017, 07:35:41 PM
You're pretty sure that the point of a prestige class is for you to abandon it as soon as possible yet still progress its main benefit with another prestige class?
Yeah, I am. The existence of PrCs prove the intent that you shouldn't take more than 25% of a Class and can expect another Class advance most of it's Features.
Only for spellcasters, and even then for casters with other significant stuff like druids there is a single prc that advances all their nice stuff (and it's rightly considered one of the most borked prcs in existence).

Even then the prc itself is something you want to take like shadowcraft mage and Incantrix. If you then can also dump the prc, screw that noise.

Not a thing and Spelldancer gives +1 to existing class, while most others simply give +1 to previous class
Ah, thank you for the clarification. Spelldancer's banned then, as well as any other prc that gives +1 in the same way and I may've missed.

And it didn't bother you a few days ago either.
I'm pointing out problems as I find them. Your formatting doesn't help much.


Osle, we're optimizers.
In an intended to be highly optimized fast-leveling game and all that's really being optimized here is keeping the Spellcasting & Atomic powers I've already been using in in this four year old game while trying to move to a Real Robot. So I guess Osl is trying to say changing from a Super Robot to Real Robot is too much as he keeps trying to nerf the combinations used to do it.
You are trying to munchkin no less than three max-level casting progressions along god and dragon and royalty and other stuff. If you only want spellcasting and atomic powers, then just take nuclear dragon in one side and arcane pilot in the other and call it a day. Or real pilot X/arcane pilot Y.

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Well, I suppose I could apply Spelldancer to Monster of Legend, then my spellcasting would be HD + 3 and I'd have 8th level Spells and getting 9ths at level fifteen.
Minor point but I'm pretty sure Monster of Legend's Saga casting wouldn't benefit from it. Because its mechanism is entirely dependent on HD, so adding an extra class level to it by progressing that casting with a prestige class wouldn't do anything. Because the Saga doesn't care about the effective casting class level, only about HD, and increasing the casting class level doesn't change your effective HD.
That is correct.
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Post by: ketaro on October 22, 2017, 08:02:06 PM
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Ah, thank you for the clarification. Spelldancer's banned then, as well as any other prc that gives +1 in the same way and I may've missed.

Not to take sides but doesn't that basically ban every spellcasting PrC then? -_-'
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Post by: Kuroimaken on October 22, 2017, 08:26:41 PM
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Ah, thank you for the clarification. Spelldancer's banned then, as well as any other prc that gives +1 in the same way and I may've missed.

Not to take sides but doesn't that basically ban every spellcasting PrC then? -_-'

I think Osle was being specific about things that "advance class features", like Legacy Champion or bloodlines.

Otherwise yeah, that rules out every spellcasting PrC ever.
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Post by: oslecamo on October 22, 2017, 08:53:51 PM
soro claimed spelldancer has different than normal advancement, so that's what's being banned.

Besides spelldancer demands at least 1/8th elven blood, which is incompatible with dragon, as dragons sexing other races produce half-dragons and draconic creatures and whatnot, not new fully fledged dragons.
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Post by: ketaro on October 22, 2017, 09:27:37 PM
I don't see elven blood in the PrC requirements.....Elves aren't even mentioned in the fluff.

On the other hand, the Spelldancer PrC seems to actually lack an explanation on how its spellcasting progression works outside of showing it on the table, something that isn't generally left out of most other spellcasting progressing PrCs...
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Post by: oslecamo on October 22, 2017, 11:46:06 PM
This version has the elven blood requirement. (http://realmshelps.net/charbuild/classes/prestige/realms/spelldancer.shtml) Which one are you checking?

Also lacks the usual descriptor of spell advancement though.
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Post by: ketaro on October 22, 2017, 11:59:36 PM
I looked at both dndtools and the Magic of Faerun book which both have the exact same text and neither has the Race related text in the link you provided.

Not to mention how do you even figure out what races fit into the "One-eighth elven blood" requirement? It could have just said Elves & Half-elves only.
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Post by: oslecamo on October 23, 2017, 12:31:50 AM
I'm pretty sure somewhere out there is some feat for having 1/8th elf blood.

Anyway the class's basically Incantrix on steroids so banned anyway.
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Post by: ketaro on October 23, 2017, 01:41:26 AM
I'm pretty sure there isn't and I literally can't find anything related to this 1/8th elven blood thing outside of realmshelp so I can only believe it to be an error after spending almost a couple hours on it. *shrugs*

Not contesting a ban tho.  :-\
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Post by: SorO_Lost on October 23, 2017, 02:09:40 PM
1. Only for spellcasters, and even then for casters with other significant stuff like druids there is a single prc that advances all their nice stuff
2. Ah, thank you for the clarification.
3. as dragons sexing other races produce half-dragons and draconic creatures and whatnot, not new fully fledged dragons.
4. You are trying to munchkin no less than three max-level casting progressions along god and dragon and royalty and other stuff.
1. Which one? Abolisher, Arcane Hierophant, Daggerspell Shaper, Dispassionate Watcher of Chronepsis, Lion of Talisid, Planar Shepard or Moonspeaker Druid? I think you mean the Hierophant since its dual casting and Wild Shape.
2. It'd be a clarification if you know that's how all 3.0 Classes state their advancement, 3.5 used it as well but in general the text was changed to include the words "arcane", "divine" or "existing", and probably another half dozen things that I take for granted and don't feel like I needed to mention.
3. Fun fact, two pure-blood Elves get together and have a baby, the baby decides to take a level in Troll and loses all of it's Elfish heritage and becomes a Troll. The Troll screws a Dragon and has a child who chooses to take levels in Barghest losing all of it's Half-Troll/Half-Dragon heritage and becomes a Barghest.
4. Actually munchkin is cheating, like using incorrect sources, banning materials that's been in use for several years for not agreeing with a newly invented house rule built on false premises, and telling people to stop making accurate points about their imbalances/ambiguity/inaccuracies in one thread by using my apparently ending participation in another as leverage. Optimization is built on min/maxing, like in the case of Nuclear Dragon. Is losing 7th level Maneuvers, the +4 bonus that applies to virtually everything when overheating, and that +7 Constitution Bonus worth the cost of keeping within theme? I thought it was because I achieved the near result using a different combination and I assign value to everyone's time/effort, including my own.

I'm pointing out problems as I find them. Your formatting doesn't help much.
It's all there per MM1's style of stateblocks except all sources for every bonus and every Class Feature is included in one page. If you find it confusing I will try to match your style.

Annnd I updated Bahamut again. Like Steel Arcanist it's probably your very own creations of God & Real Pilot, but I got mixed up and I think my examples might have used Divine Pilot. Eh, not sure. You should probably read this other unrelated entry else where I'll try to link later. If you have any questions about ambiguity or if I have a system for the numbers produced, just dig through this discussion here and I'll try to post an answer once every few weeks or so to the best that I'm able to provided I don't feel like the question is rude or the person asking is being unruly.
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Post by: oslecamo on October 24, 2017, 12:13:31 AM
1. Only for spellcasters, and even then for casters with other significant stuff like druids there is a single prc that advances all their nice stuff
2. Ah, thank you for the clarification.
3. as dragons sexing other races produce half-dragons and draconic creatures and whatnot, not new fully fledged dragons.
4. You are trying to munchkin no less than three max-level casting progressions along god and dragon and royalty and other stuff.
1. Which one? Abolisher, Arcane Hierophant, Daggerspell Shaper, Dispassionate Watcher of Chronepsis, Lion of Talisid, Planar Shepard or Moonspeaker Druid? I think you mean the Hierophant since its dual casting and Wild Shape.
2. It'd be a clarification if you know that's how all 3.0 Classes state their advancement, 3.5 used it as well but in general the text was changed to include the words "arcane", "divine" or "existing", and probably another half dozen things that I take for granted and don't feel like I needed to mention.
3. Fun fact, two pure-blood Elves get together and have a baby, the baby decides to take a level in Troll and loses all of it's Elfish heritage and becomes a Troll. The Troll screws a Dragon and has a child who chooses to take levels in Barghest losing all of it's Half-Troll/Half-Dragon heritage and becomes a Barghest.
4. Actually munchkin is cheating, like using incorrect sources, banning materials that's been in use for several years for not agreeing with a newly invented house rule built on false premises, and telling people to stop making accurate points about their imbalances/ambiguity/inaccuracies in one thread by using my apparently ending participation in another as leverage. Optimization is built on min/maxing, like in the case of Nuclear Dragon. Is losing 7th level Maneuvers, the +4 bonus that applies to virtually everything when overheating, and that +7 Constitution Bonus worth the cost of keeping within theme? I thought it was because I achieved the near result using a different combination and I assign value to everyone's time/effort, including my own.
1. Planar Shepard advances Wildshape and animal companion besides spellcasting.
2. This game is using 3.5 rules as base, not 3.0.
3. Indeed if you take a monster level without the blooded/hybrid feats, you no longer count as any other race for anything.
4. I'm pretty sure that banning things is one of the iconic DM class abilities since 1st edition. Including banning players that are actively being dickheads ooc and refuse to change their behaviour after a fair warning. However things like blatantly ignoring prerequisites and deciding that Machinery Warrior advances spellcasting indeed qualify as cheating.

I'm pointing out problems as I find them. Your formatting doesn't help much.
It's all there per MM1's style of stateblocks except all sources for every bonus and every Class Feature is included in one page. If you find it confusing I will try to match your style.

Annnd I updated Bahamut again. Like Steel Arcanist it's probably your very own creations of God & Real Pilot, but I got mixed up and I think my examples might have used Divine Pilot. Eh, not sure. You should probably read this other unrelated entry else where I'll try to link later. If you have any questions about ambiguity or if I have a system for the numbers produced, just dig through this discussion here and I'll try to post an answer once every few weeks or so to the best that I'm able to provided I don't feel like the question is rude or the person asking is being unruly.
Well at first glance you're missing a base race (my god class is a template/prc). And you have no maneuvers or spells or god abilities listed and at start you write "Probably God 14 / Real Pilot 14, so for example it spent four upgrade points for being a Divine Pilot on stuff." which is kinda weird since neither Real Pilot nor Divine Pilot grant upgrade points.

Erasing your own fluff seems quite petty at this point since I've been incorporating it in the campaign IC and only complaining about crunch problems.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on October 24, 2017, 02:26:36 AM
1. Planar Shepard advances Wildshape and animal companion besides spellcasting.
2. This game is using 3.5 rules as base, not 3.0.
3. Indeed if you take a monster level without the blooded/hybrid feats, you no longer count as any other race for anything.
4. I'm pretty sure that banning things is one of the iconic DM class abilities since 1st edition. Including banning players that are actively being dickheads ooc and refuse to change their behaviour after a fair warning. However things like blatantly ignoring prerequisites and deciding that Machinery Warrior advances spellcasting indeed qualify as cheating.
1. So does the Abolisher, Arcane Hierophant and Lion of Talisid and probably a couple more of those PrCs do too.
2. Obviously, but the point is it's entry, or a correct 3.5 interpretation, doesn't have a no-PrC limit.
4. I already admitted I was off in a level of Arcane Pilot's casting and that I would fix it. In fact I have an extended history of fixing the as they are brought up or as I find them my self , I've always tried to maintain a level of open transparency, and who can forget the PMs. Like in the first week of September I gave you an example of a Spelldancer advancing Sublime Chord asking if I could use it and you said it's fine provided I don't try to enter Sublime before 7th level and take it on the same Gestalt side.

But speaking of iconic DM abilities, since 1977 good DMs know not to change or overturn a published rule without a good, logical justification, they need to know the rules and not tell their players they don't know them and don't care to learn them, and DM/Player trust is born out of consistency rather then reneging permissions a month later and grinding the game to a halt to unfairly punish a player because you're being vindictive over other matters. In fact, the seventeen year official list of considerations before every rule change for 3.0/3.5 is to you ask your self why are you changing it, are you clear on what you are changing, how it impacts things, and will it make people happy or not with the latter requiring you to further ask your self if it's worth it.

Well at first glance you're missing a base race (my god class is a template/prc). And you have no maneuvers or spells or god abilities listed and at start you write "Probably God 14 / Real Pilot 14, so for example it spent four upgrade points for being a Divine Pilot on stuff." which is kinda weird since neither Real Pilot nor Divine Pilot grant upgrade points.
That's actually a joke about your Feat you still haven't fixed and a direct notation over current sheet inaccuracies as I work on changing them over. Like the previously asked for and allowed combination of Persisting Blink and Forceward together is depreciated by simply using Divine Dodge instead.

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Erasing your own fluff seems quite petty at this point since I've been incorporating it in the campaign IC and only complaining about crunch problems.
The fluff isn't really deleted. The Flavor spoiler also contained the spoilers that broke down every HD/BAB/Save increase, Skill Rank, and Maneuver choice by level. It was faster to wipe all of the text in the post and readd sections of it back in than comb through it. When I have time, as motivated as someone can be in the situation, I'll get around to changing it.

Edit - Got the Flavor repasted.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on October 27, 2017, 01:20:16 PM
What size are the Einst maids?
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Post by: SorO_Lost on October 27, 2017, 03:07:42 PM
Quick questions
1. Energy Substitution, can I choose Atomic? It's not all that superior to fire (specially given how often you hand DR out) and less useful than acid.
2. Turbo Operational Universal High Overcharge Utility, can I choose Divine Flame?
3. Still wanting to pick up the Nuclear Dragon theme & your God's abilities include Polymorph-like effects that can at least turn it into a Red Dragon, but not a Nuclear Dragon since it only exists as a Monster Class. So permission to copy per level per your Salient's text, and rather than following your previous I'm-still-taking-it-as-sarcastic suggestion of rolling abilities to determine if they are Ex/Su (thus breath weapon & maneuvers could be ex and obtained) I'd rather remain on how D&D has it which drops just about everything anyway rather than another renege. The only Exs that'd be obtained are Keen Senses, Blindsense, Spell Resistance, maybe some of the Heat related bonuses if you're so kind on things.
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Post by: oslecamo on October 28, 2017, 09:02:56 AM
What size are the Einst maids?

Mecha-fine.

Quick questions
1. Energy Substitution, can I choose Atomic? It's not all that superior to fire (specially given how often you hand DR out) and less useful than acid.
2. Turbo Operational Universal High Overcharge Utility, can I choose Divine Flame?
3. Still wanting to pick up the Nuclear Dragon theme & your God's abilities include Polymorph-like effects that can at least turn it into a Red Dragon, but not a Nuclear Dragon since it only exists as a Monster Class. So permission to copy per level per your Salient's text, and rather than following your previous I'm-still-taking-it-as-sarcastic suggestion of rolling abilities to determine if they are Ex/Su (thus breath weapon & maneuvers could be ex and obtained) I'd rather remain on how D&D has it which drops just about everything anyway rather than another renege. The only Exs that'd be obtained are Keen Senses, Blindsense, Spell Resistance, maybe some of the Heat related bonuses if you're so kind on things.

1-If you have at least one Nuclear Dragon level, yes.
2-No.
3-No.

Also let me know when your sheet is ready for review again.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on October 28, 2017, 11:32:02 AM
Also let me know when your sheet is ready for review again.
It'll probably be done by tomorrow afternoon. I can't really edit it from my phone to do it today, but all that's really left is filling in a few Maneuvers. But even so, it's not like selecting an Ace Pilot Maneuver or not is really going to change what you decide to ban next so you might as well go over it now.

Edit - Annnd done yet again.
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Post by: oslecamo on October 30, 2017, 04:54:14 AM
Some minor things:
-Your character won't be able to cast spells while piloting a mecha geared with pure metal.
-Super spirits should cost +20% since most of your pilot levels are real.
-Initiate of Mystra demands cleric level 3 and worshiping Mystra. Besides the question of whetever Mystra even exists in this setting (the answer being no, as all big name gods have been nommed by Dark Force, something already discussed ooc), your character is already following their own family as far as worship goes if anything.

EDIT: Also since you're not going for reduced mecha stats, I assume you're fine with being limited to self-buffs while piloting (or no spells at all if you keep the pure metal gear)
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Post by: SorO_Lost on October 30, 2017, 03:48:36 PM
-Your character won't be able to cast spells while piloting a mecha geared with pure metal.
I'm aware it takes a minute to remove light armor if I wanted to cast an offensive Spell. But I never really used any before, why burn a Slot to deal less than a gun?

EDIT: Also since you're not going for reduced mecha stats, I assume you're fine with being limited to self-buffs while piloting (or no spells at all if you keep the pure metal gear)
I had more free time today than expected, got the numbers all fixed out but the table not pushing things to the top like it's supposed to is kind of annoying.

-Super spirits should cost +20% since most of your pilot levels are real.
I know, that's why I listed the types. I also took an Accessory option that reduced Spirit cost by -20% to make it all better.

-Initiate of Mystra demands cleric level 3 cleric spell access (I seen your quote from Dragon Magic that changed this) and worshiping Mystra. Besides the question of whetever Mystra even exists in this setting (the answer being no, as all big name gods have been nommed by Dark Force, something already discussed ooc), your character is already following their own family as far as worship goes if anything.
Eh, I can change it if needed. Changed. All it really does is give me a roll to negate Antimagic on the Arcane Pilot side, something Bahamut's Salient Abilities already ignore, and you used to hate binary things to a point where you changed immunity effects to a bonus on rolls so it's not like you're savelessly wipe everything anyway right?

You know what, I missed Vistburn gives +4 Photon to Constitution so I got that added too. :blush
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Post by: oslecamo on October 31, 2017, 05:09:34 AM
Something else I missed, to get the material-specific benefits from pure crafting your character needs actually to be proficient in the stuff. And neither god nor the pilot classes grant proficiency with any armor or shield.

All it really does is give me a roll to negate Antimagic on the Arcane Pilot side, something Bahamut's Salient Abilities already ignore, and you used to hate binary things to a point where you changed immunity effects to a bonus on rolls so it's not like you're savelessly wipe everything anyway right?

Now that you mention it, Entropy Elemental is on the table now. You may want to prepare a spellbuff-less version of your character sheet in advance.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on October 31, 2017, 06:36:23 AM
Something else I missed, to get the material-specific benefits from pure crafting your character needs actually to be proficient in the stuff. And neither god nor the pilot classes grant proficiency with any armor or shield.
A class doesn't really need to grant proficiency with light armor.
Quote from: PHB page 89
ARMOR PROFICIENCY (LIGHT) [GENERAL]
You are proficient with light armor (see Table 7–6: Armor and Shields, page 123).
Benefit: When you wear a type of armor with which you are proficient, the armor check penalty for that armor applies only to Balance, Climb, Escape Artist, Hide, Jump, Move Silently, Pick Pocket, and Tumble checks.
Normal: A character who is wearing armor with which she is not proficient applies its armor check penalty to attack rolls and to all skill checks that involve moving, including Ride.
Special: All characters except wizards, sorcerers, and monks automatically have Armor Proficiency (light) as a bonus feat. They need not select it.
Since all characters already obtain it unless something says they don't.
Quote from: For Example
Weapon and Armor Proficiency: Sorcerers are proficient with all simple weapons. They are not proficient with any type of armor or shield. Armor of any type interferes with a sorcerer’s gestures, which can cause his spells with somatic components to fail.

Weapon and Armor Proficiency: Monks are proficient with club, crossbow (light or heavy), dagger, handaxe, javelin, kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shuriken, siangham, and sling. Monks are not proficient with any armor or shields. When wearing armor, using a shield, or carrying a medium or heavy load, a monk loses her AC bonus, as well as her fast movement and flurry of blows abilities.
So you should fix your Classes if you really don't want them wearing Light Armor. But I'll drop the Shield when I get home later.

You may want to prepare a spellbuff-less version of your character sheet in advance.
That's the point of breaking the bonuses down. Buuuut, a thought occurred to me and I think I'll drop Bite of the Wearbear at one of the buffs anyway. That way everything he buffs is something he can cast multiple times each day.
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Post by: oslecamo on October 31, 2017, 11:13:19 PM
Fascinating, hiding an universal rule in the feat section. And some classes say they specifically don't have shield proficiency just for the lulz I guess.

Added clause to the SRWd20 Basics thread that pilot classes do not gain any proficiencies that are not stated in their entry, and the same for the monster classes.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on November 01, 2017, 02:22:47 AM
Fascinating, hiding an universal rule in the feat section. And some classes say they specifically don't have shield proficiency just for the lulz I guess.

Added clause to the SRWd20 Basics thread that pilot classes do not gain any proficiencies that are not stated in their entry, and the same for the monster classes.

Why? At least, for the pilot classes, you may as well be saying that they aren't proficient in wearing clothing. I own coats as encumbering as light armour is meant to be. There's not some hidden broken threat lurking in what you can do with light armour, and the tricks to drag medium armour down without spell penalties don't work with pure metal. Nor are some AC bonuses the end of the world..

It also makes the Super Pilot-specific feat that grants them the ability to integrate pure metal pretty hilarious if they can't use it because that requires extra proficiencies. <.<
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Post by: ketaro on November 01, 2017, 03:31:58 AM
Hahaha, Rainy's right. Nobody can use Pure Metal options in mechas if no Pilots are proficient with Armor/Shields much less Mechas  :lmao

Also, shit, that makes the shield I just bought useless -_-'

Like, honestly Os, making that change is kinda silly because you seem to be making it explicitly in regards to Pure Metal rather than Armor/Shields in general. >>
There's already BAB requirements to using Pure Metal. Literally level locking that stuff. Why is it necessary to take it further to proficiencies? Not being proficient in any armors at all doesn't make an Adamantine Fullplate suddenly not grant the nonproficient wearer its DR X/Adamantine.....
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Post by: oslecamo on November 01, 2017, 04:12:00 AM
Fascinating, hiding an universal rule in the feat section. And some classes say they specifically don't have shield proficiency just for the lulz I guess.

Added clause to the SRWd20 Basics thread that pilot classes do not gain any proficiencies that are not stated in their entry, and the same for the monster classes.

Why? At least, for the pilot classes, you may as well be saying that they aren't proficient in wearing clothing.
(https://imgur.com/sUPf3ed.jpg)
Professional sniper, both in or out of mecha, seasoned guerilla fighter, doesn't know how to wear a shirt.  :smirk

I own coats as encumbering as light armour is meant to be. There's not some hidden broken threat lurking in what you can do with light armour, and the tricks to drag medium armour down without spell penalties don't work with pure metal. Nor are some AC bonuses the end of the world..
Well it's not just AC bonuses. Also hardness and assorted extra abilities that would normally cost a pretty penny to get as magic items.

However it's only the material-specific bonus you miss for not having proficiency. The standard extra AC and hardness are gained even if you don't know how to use it.

Soro may want standard pure iron since pure adamantine won't get him that much for the extra price.

It also makes the Super Pilot-specific feat that grants them the ability to integrate pure metal pretty hilarious if they can't use it because that requires extra proficiencies. <.<
Good point, updated the feat to ignore proficiency requirements.

Hahaha, Rainy's right. Nobody can use Pure Metal options in mechas if no Pilots are proficient with Armor/Shields much less Mechas  :lmao
You know, you can just buy proficiencies with feats (or multiclassing, even easier in gestalt).

Also, shit, that makes the shield I just bought useless -_-'
You can retrain a feat if you want. Or if you just wanted the AC and hardness, you can keep it like that.

Like, honestly Os, making that change is kinda silly because you seem to be making it explicitly in regards to Pure Metal rather than Armor/Shields in general. >>
There's already BAB requirements to using Pure Metal. Literally level locking that stuff. Why is it necessary to take it further to proficiencies? Not being proficient in any armors at all doesn't make an Adamantine Fullplate suddenly not grant the nonproficient wearer its DR X/Adamantine.....
It's not enough having a nice suit, you need to know how to properly wear it to look really great. Ditto for suits of armor.
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Post by: ketaro on November 01, 2017, 04:27:10 AM
I definitely got the shield explicitly for the Freedom of Movement effect at masterwork -_-'

Simply retraining a feat isn't as simple as you're making it sound.
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Post by: oslecamo on November 01, 2017, 04:52:08 AM
Glancing at your character sheet, you seem to have Oversized Two-Weapon fighting.

However Mystic Dream already allows you to add full Str mod to both youkai-forged blades when TWFing.

So OTWF only helps when using other pair of weapons, except then Mystic Dream doesn't apply at all and you would suffer normal TWF penalties to attack rolls anyway.

Thus that's a feat ripe for retraining in my humble opinion. You only lose about 4 damage with your off-hand when TWF with weapons besides your Youkai-Forged blades.
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Post by: ketaro on November 01, 2017, 06:31:05 AM
The point of the feat was to dual wield the same sized weapons instead of having to use a mere light weapon in the offhand. OTWF doesn't give you full strength on offhand attacks either. The difference in damage is the current 6d8 versus 4d6 with a light weapon.

Just going on averages thats like, what, a difference of 15 damage per swing with 3 swings on offhand? Maybe average-ly rounding to a difference of almost 50 damage on a full attack between light and non-light.

Thinking about that though reminds me I could have actually gotten a pair of one-handed weapons instead of a pair of daggers for basically the same price  :plotting

Oh geez I just realized I couldn't even make use of the pure metal shield even just for the AC bonuses because I can't TWF with it as that is a property of the Pure Mythril specifically  :banghead
Blaaaaah, if this persists I'm probably just going to be donating all this refunded cash -_-' Or something for Wisdom and still throwing the rest at charity....

And then I realized I wasted 5k gp on a second dagger when I bought a mercury pistol that could be shapechanged into a second dagger anyways. Refunded that yay I'm dumb :D
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on November 01, 2017, 10:26:21 AM
Yoko isn't much of a pilot, though. However, Gurren Lagann, specifically, may be called the land of no shirts. I'm pretty certain that's not normal. Pilot suits are a thing elsewhere. <.<
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on November 01, 2017, 03:58:09 PM
Yoko isn't much of a pilot, though. However, Gurren Lagann, specifically, may be called the land of no shirts. I'm pretty certain that's not normal. Pilot suits are a thing elsewhere. <.<
Like Voltron, Pacific Rim, or Gundam Seed. Fun fact, per Modern the US Airforce's pilot suits give a +2 Equipment (sic armor) bonus to AC making it slightly better than the +1 bonus a vest made out of leaves gives.

Also I for one think Osl should be the one rooting for bikinis giving out huge AC bonuses given his disposition on loving mostly naked women that never really suffer any injuries despite taking falls and flames that'd outright kill a normal person. Our female cast can't be nude if they need to dress up in clothing that actually covers anything.

However it's only the material-specific bonus you miss for not having proficiency. The standard extra AC and hardness are gained even if you don't know how to use it. Soro may want standard pure iron since pure adamantine won't get him that much for the extra price.
Sweet.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on November 01, 2017, 04:06:43 PM
Yoko isn't much of a pilot, though. However, Gurren Lagann, specifically, may be called the land of no shirts. I'm pretty certain that's not normal. Pilot suits are a thing elsewhere. <.<
Given that the robots in TTGL are generally of the Super kind, uniforms may be more of a Real Pilot thing.

Also: oh snap, most of my levels are in Super Pilot. Hugo has just lost shirt proficiency!
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on November 01, 2017, 04:27:58 PM
Yoko isn't much of a pilot, though. However, Gurren Lagann, specifically, may be called the land of no shirts. I'm pretty certain that's not normal. Pilot suits are a thing elsewhere. <.<
Given that the robots in TTGL are generally of the Super kind, uniforms may be more of a Real Pilot thing.

Also: oh snap, most of my levels are in Super Pilot. Hugo has just lost shirt proficiency!


Mazinger et al, Getter Robo, and Evangelion all have pilot suits of some sort or another. :P

Secondary question: how big is this room?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on November 01, 2017, 08:04:42 PM
Yoko isn't much of a pilot, though. However, Gurren Lagann, specifically, may be called the land of no shirts. I'm pretty certain that's not normal. Pilot suits are a thing elsewhere. <.<
Meh, the priest kid knew how to cover his chest.

Also Yoko's basically in the top 3 of the show's pilots considering she fights and survives both seasons including the last battle.

Yoko isn't much of a pilot, though. However, Gurren Lagann, specifically, may be called the land of no shirts. I'm pretty certain that's not normal. Pilot suits are a thing elsewhere. <.<
Given that the robots in TTGL are generally of the Super kind, uniforms may be more of a Real Pilot thing.

Also: oh snap, most of my levels are in Super Pilot. Hugo has just lost shirt proficiency!


Mazinger et al, Getter Robo, and Evangelion all have pilot suits of some sort or another. :P
Getter's crew were all selected because they were badass fighters before even knowing mechas were a thing in their world. Kouji and Sinji both first pilot their machines with no special suits, meaning they picked up proficiency later.

And then there's Gundam Iron Orphans where the protagonist side goes to battle shirtless at every opportunity and even the not-Char loses his shirt when going for a big upgrade.

Code Geass had a pilot in bunny suit, and Turn A Gundam had the main character piloting in a fabulous dress. Both had unique animations made for SRW video games!

Secondary question: how big is this room?

Roughly hexagonal shaped, about 120 mu wide.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on November 01, 2017, 08:20:20 PM
By "big" I was thinking "ceiling height".
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on November 01, 2017, 08:20:40 PM
Yoko isn't much of a pilot, though. However, Gurren Lagann, specifically, may be called the land of no shirts. I'm pretty certain that's not normal. Pilot suits are a thing elsewhere. <.<
Given that the robots in TTGL are generally of the Super kind, uniforms may be more of a Real Pilot thing.

Also: oh snap, most of my levels are in Super Pilot. Hugo has just lost shirt proficiency!


Mazinger et al, Getter Robo, and Evangelion all have pilot suits of some sort or another. :P

Secondary question: how big is this room?

Kouji has piloted Mazinkaiser in nothing but a pair of speedos, and Domon Kasshu basically HAS to be naked to wear the controls for both Shining Gundam and God Gundam.

Shinji has also performed synchronicity tests fully naked, and arguably wears nothing under his skintight pilot suit. Meaning the suit is more for convenience's sake than a necessity for control.

(All EVA units are arguably real robots anyways, in scale and armament, so...)
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on November 01, 2017, 08:21:50 PM
Yoko isn't much of a pilot, though. However, Gurren Lagann, specifically, may be called the land of no shirts. I'm pretty certain that's not normal. Pilot suits are a thing elsewhere. <.<
Given that the robots in TTGL are generally of the Super kind, uniforms may be more of a Real Pilot thing.

Also: oh snap, most of my levels are in Super Pilot. Hugo has just lost shirt proficiency!


Mazinger et al, Getter Robo, and Evangelion all have pilot suits of some sort or another. :P

Secondary question: how big is this room?

Kouji has piloted Mazinkaiser in nothing but a pair of speedos, and Domon Kasshu basically HAS to be naked to wear the controls for both Shining Gundam and God Gundam.

Shinji has also performed synchronicity tests fully naked, and arguably wears nothing under his skintight pilot suit. Meaning the suit is more for convenience's sake than a necessity for control.

(All EVA units are arguably real robots anyways, in scale and armament, so...)


Armament, maybe, but not scale. Things are inconsistent and absolutely gigantic.

Anyway, the point was less "pilot suits are necessary" and "the pilots can wear more stuff beforehand".
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on November 01, 2017, 08:40:18 PM
I think people are missing the point.

Yes, you can pilot a mech if you wanted, and that's because the control interface is levers and buttons. But optimally you wear a suit. If the pilot's cabin's structural integrity were compromised the sudden decompression would cause the pilot's eardrums to blow deafening them, blood vessels in their eyes to pop blinding them, and the air rushing out of their throat would damage their vocal cords probably rendering them unable to speak even if they had the air to do it. And that's assuming gravitational forces remain intact otherwise you could risk a syncope episode even if the hull is undamaged which means the mech is defenseless and probably careening through space (or a populated area) out of control. Pilot suits are defense against that, often supplying supplemental oxygen, maintaining pressure support, and even adding constriction to lower extremities to prevent blood from pooling away from the head. And that's what they offer now, who knows what they could offer later (like modern's suits for example). So like wearing a hardhat & steel toe boots in a construction area: You don't need one to walk around, and certainly there is always that one guy that argues it's safe or he'll die so why bother, but you'd be retarded to pass up the chance to use them just in case of an accident.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on November 01, 2017, 09:18:02 PM
If the pilot's cabin's structural integrity were compromised the sudden decompression would cause the pilot's eardrums to blow deafening them, blood vessels in their eyes to pop blinding them, and the air rushing out of their throat would damage their vocal cords probably rendering them unable to speak even if they had the air to do it.
(https://imgur.com/gZjzrdF.jpg)
That's Quess from Gundam jumping out from her cockpit to space just with her panties.

(https://imgur.com/4TJyNGc.jpg)
That's Quess a bit later, perfectly able to talk, no bleeding eyes, and no visible damage whatsoever.

The point is that in mecha shows rule of cool trumps rule of physics. Going out to a mecha battle in a bikini/dress/shirtless should be just as viable as wearing a boring plain space/pilot suit. Expect some actual rules for that in the near future.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on November 01, 2017, 09:29:01 PM
I personally would not have used an image of a telekinetic newtype jumping into space as the pilot, clearing wearing some kind of space armor, yells at her for being stupid to try and help make my point, just saying.

(plus exhaling and curling into a ball is what you are supposed to do if you are put into a decompression environment to minimize damage, I'd give it bonus points for realism)
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on November 01, 2017, 09:33:23 PM
It does rather show that most people need to breathe. :lmao

Anyway, I reiterate my question about how tall the ceiling is. :p
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on November 01, 2017, 10:08:28 PM
About 60 mu tall.

I personally would not have used an image of a telekinetic newtype jumping into space as the pilot, clearing wearing some kind of space armor, yells at her for being stupid to try and help make my point, just saying.
Quess is a newtype, but doesn't show any telekinetic ability, while Char had gone completely insane by that point, with the whole master plan of "let's blow up the Earth to save humanity, BUT first I'll help my nemesis get an upgrade to his mecha because it just won't be fun fighting him otherwise".


(plus exhaling and curling into a ball is what you are supposed to do if you are put into a decompression environment to minimize damage, I'd give it bonus points for realism)
Fascinating how you went from "going into space with no space suit will leave you blind, deaf and mute!" to "Meh just curl up and you'll shrugg it all off".
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on November 01, 2017, 11:23:06 PM
(plus exhaling and curling into a ball is what you are supposed to do if you are put into a decompression environment to minimize damage, I'd give it bonus points for realism)
Fascinating how you went from "going into space with no space suit will leave you blind, deaf and mute!" to "Meh just curl up and you'll shrugg it all off".
And I think it's fascinating how you consider a reduction to mean nothing.

It is possible to survive in space, decompression rate is one of the huge factors through. Like with optimal rates some chimps have be able to survive vacuum conditions (excluding temperature/radiation/etc) for up to three and a half minutes. It's not a binary deal and that's why NASA uses the buddy system for space walks, or that mecha pilot wearing space armor, or the nearly naked psionic chick closing her eyes to prevent her eyeballs from exploding. See also wearing your seat belt in a car or my previous statement
You don't need one to walk around, and certainly there is always that one guy that argues it's safe or he'll die so why bother, but you'd be retarded to pass up the chance to use them just in case of an accident.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on November 01, 2017, 11:25:37 PM
I think he was talking about slightly less severe decompression scenarios than hard vaccuum.

I mean, in hard vaccuum, even before we consider how your internal pressure would blow you up from the inside out, the boiling point of most liquids drops DRASTICALLY. Your blood would literally cook you from the inside out.

But yes, in mecha shows rule of cool trumps pretty much everything.

It actually makes the case for why Saitama is stronger than Goku. Regular old Saitama gets punched into the moon by Boros. With only the air in his lungs as he lands, he manages to straighten himself up and jump BACK towards Earth on nothing but muscle power and badassery. Meanwhile, Goku needs at LEAST to get blue hair before he can even survive hard vaccuum.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on November 01, 2017, 11:34:38 PM
But yes, in mecha shows rule of cool trumps pretty much everything.
I don't think it's always the rule of cool but sometimes the lack of understanding.

Like most people think space is empty instead of being filled with deadly radiation, or while that manga artist thought of proper positioning they forgot temperature and how pressure affects the boiling point of liquids. Still better than an open helmet Batman or claiming Fireza can survive because he can breath in space through.

And sometimes internal logic covers things. Like in D&D extreme heat/cold caps at 1d6 elemental & 1d4 nonlethal per minute of unprotected exposure no matter the actual temperature (yet lava deals 20d6 per round of immersion) which makes it fairly easy to run around outside a ship. I should check Modern's rules through. And with a quick glance it seems that they treat radiation is a Disease, incubation(1day/4d6/3d6/2d6/1d6), DC (12/15/18/21/24), and damage (1d4-2/1d6-2/1d6-1/1d6/2d6) is based on level (slight/mild/high/severe) and duration (round/minute/ten minutes/hour/day) which makes this campaign's treatment of radiation (it's dual fire/bludgeoning) a more simplistic take on things. Long-term gravity effects (120+ hours) include 1d6/2d6 temporary Strength damage upon returning to normal gravity for Low/No gravity while high gravity works on Dexterity. They added a Save against "the bends" from decompression that adds +1 Con dmg when trying to hold your breath in space, and violent decompression scenarios actually deals around 2d6 damage to you as you slam around before you're ejected into space.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on November 02, 2017, 01:04:25 AM
Ahem.

Plus the purpose of SRW d20 is having mecha fun and not to be a physics simulator. Think of the catgirls. If a player at your table complains, just say it's because of magic/extremely advanced SCIENCE!
and
Last warning, any more discussion about real world physics and the campaign will change to undead catgirl apocalypse.

It's been several months since the above post so I'll forgive you for forgetting. Once. I already get plenty to think about the exact properties of vacuum and other fine physics details in my daily job, I come here for a break from that.

On other note, assorted pilot clothings added (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=18207.0).
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on November 02, 2017, 01:08:30 AM
Shirtless girls, huh? Time to take leadership.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on November 02, 2017, 01:25:34 AM
Yay more stuff Moon Vanguard can't use -_-'

Sometimes I think I coulda done better. Then I remember I'm trying to stick to a theme here  :lmao
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on November 02, 2017, 01:29:53 AM
Yay more stuff Moon Vanguard can't use -_-'
Good point, moon vanguard now specifically can use pilot clothing even with nano-armor on.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on November 02, 2017, 02:22:19 AM
It also seems plausible that anybody should be able to use shirtless.

Hopefully. Feats for breathing are odd.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on November 02, 2017, 05:38:18 AM
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The mecha cannot have any armor or clothing for the benefits to be gained while piloting.

Hey Os, did you just imply that we can put bikinis on our mechas?  :lmao
(So long as the pilot doesn't wear pilot clothing)
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on November 02, 2017, 06:51:16 AM
You can, just like half the party suddenly was trying to buy armor for their mechas as well, but only pilot clothing on the actual pilot will grant benefits. :P
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on November 02, 2017, 10:42:45 AM
Once. I already get plenty to think about the exact properties of vacuum and other fine physics details in my daily job, I come here for a break from that.
O.o
What do you do for a living?

On other note, assorted pilot clothings added (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=18207.0).
Yeahee mechanical benefits encouraging nudity!
Captain Saber sweeps the skirt of her royal blue dress around bunching it up behind her in frustration before sharply giving the command to fire again and the Scimitar's weapons cut loose on the rapidly closing armada but it's no use, there are too many of them to take out with the cannons in time. Making a quick tactical decision she orders the remaining mechs to deploy and protect the ship. Moments before engagement she grabs the front of her dress and rips it away exposing her breasts to all of her crew on their view screens to aid her in Rallying (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=7158.msg109860#msg109860) her crew's moral and encouraging them to fight for her.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on November 07, 2017, 07:45:23 AM
Once. I already get plenty to think about the exact properties of vacuum and other fine physics details in my daily job, I come here for a break from that.
O.o
What do you do for a living?
Research in assorted fields of nano physics. Last 4 years I've been literally spending more days setting up/calibrating vacuums for experiments than not.

Quote from: Raineh Daze
Size: colossal, or mecha-medium, IIRC. Which raises questions about how these mecha-fine maids can be giants, as that leaves them at normal medium size.

My bad, I misread my own notes when making the earlier post. :blush

That or unstable scale, as befitting a mecha show. :P
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on November 07, 2017, 03:00:07 PM
In this episode, Purple Maid gets to choose between two fates worse than death.  :P

Katherine is welcome. Hugo only asks that she watch his back.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on November 07, 2017, 04:34:47 PM
Research in assorted fields of nano physics. Last 4 years I've been literally spending more days setting up/calibrating vacuums for experiments than not.
That sounds both boringly tedious and interesting at the same time.

Any cool discoveries?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on November 07, 2017, 05:00:28 PM
I know it's not what's meant, but I like to believe that this means advanced physics research is being done with vacuum cleaners.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on November 07, 2017, 05:04:18 PM
I know it's not what's meant, but I like to believe that this means advanced physics research is being done with vacuum cleaners.
Maybe he once found twenty bucks under the couch then?
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Post by: oslecamo on November 07, 2017, 07:04:32 PM
In this episode, Purple Maid gets to choose between two fates worse than death.  :P
Another regular day in her life then. :p

"Survived working under the supervision of Hugo Lotushand" looks great in a curriculum too.

Research in assorted fields of nano physics. Last 4 years I've been literally spending more days setting up/calibrating vacuums for experiments than not.
That sounds both boringly tedious and interesting at the same time.
It is. One eventually sees nice things, but there's days/weeks/months of repeating and calibration in between.

Any cool discoveries?
One can set up a ball of Iridium atoms in the millimiter scale around 1E-9 K with a team of just three dudes and a budget around just a million euros, 2D GaSe can make for really economic gas detectors with precision in the PPT range, and one can use CVD to grow up SnSeS heterostructures.

I know it's not what's meant, but I like to believe that this means advanced physics research is being done with vacuum cleaners.
Another bad perk of the job is that you need to do the lab floor cleaning yourself because you can't trust normal cleaning employees to not knock something important/sensitive.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on November 07, 2017, 07:24:58 PM
In this episode, Purple Maid gets to choose between two fates worse than death.  :P
Another regular day in her life then. :p

"Survived working under the supervision of Hugo Lotushand" looks great in a curriculum too.


Save that for after he's done working with her.  :P
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on November 07, 2017, 09:48:25 PM
Updated my character sheet to the new material available, considering Peace Princess progresses arsenal after all.
I'd like to know what her Leadership score would be for followers so that I'd update those she has available.
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Post by: oslecamo on November 07, 2017, 10:08:21 PM
Updated my character sheet to the new material available, considering Peace Princess progresses arsenal after all.
I'd like to know what her Leadership score would be for followers so that I'd update those she has available.

Eerr, character level+Cha mod as normal?

Also how are you taking Android and Animated Object without the hybrid-feat again?
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Post by: Anomander on November 07, 2017, 11:30:50 PM
Unlike your other monster classes, Animated Object levels are added to a base race, rather than including it. Unless there is something I am missing.
I took a crossbreed level to have both animated object and android as a base race. I can work around the problem if needs be.

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Eerr, character level+Cha mod as normal?
I mean, whether there are other modifiers applicable, as per the feat and Leadership description.
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Post by: oslecamo on November 08, 2017, 12:10:34 AM
R0S-3774 ; MIN-YUNG 旻融
The Many As One
Animated Object 9| Boss 1 | Gate Guard 1 | Saint 2 || Peace Princess 4 | Support Staff 3 | Super Pilot 2 | Boss 1 | Real Pilot 1 | Machinery Warrior 3
I don't see any crossbreed level in there. Although that looks like only 13 levels on the non-pilot side so I guess you simply forgot (and there's a mention of crossbreed hidden lower in the post, plus no mention of the AO's default trample anywhere).

As for leadership, just use level+Cha mod for now.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on November 08, 2017, 12:28:12 AM
Speaking of things, I had a thought about how I never cast any of Baha's Spells in combat back when I was looking into Turbo Operational Universal High Overcharge Utility for Divine Flame. Love Colored Magic doesn't have any forced prerequisites (like having to take a special feat as some of the others) but the Discipline mentions Prepared Spells in a couple Maneuvers even through all Pilots are Spontaneous Casters, presumably it's fine to cross things over?

I also thought about picking up a Martial Item to learn a Maneuver from it instead of trying to chase Divine Flame given it's required Fire Subtype. What Slot would it use or do you share Anomander's thoughts (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=18008.msg328102#msg328102)?
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Post by: Anomander on November 08, 2017, 12:31:19 AM
Forgot to put it there indeed. Crossbreed should be in the level progression spoiler. I didn't put the trample thing in there since I consider it obsolete. Didn't make a class feature spoiler for it since it does little beside granting a base race and making you count as if you were that race when it is to your benefit. Though I should probably add it, still.

As for martial discipline items, I think the rule is that when they have a requirement the requirement must be filled for the item to work. You couldn't get an item for a forbidden discipline without the feat for it, same goes for Ancient Temple and so on.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on November 08, 2017, 12:57:53 AM
I think the rule is that when they have a requirement the requirement must be filled for the item to work.
:eh
Love Colored Magic doesn't have any forced prerequisites (like having to take a special feat as some of the others)
Yes I would need Netherworld Gardener for Ancient Temple but currently there is nothing listed for LCM.
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Post by: oslecamo on November 08, 2017, 01:03:26 AM
Speaking of things, I had a thought about how I never cast any of Baha's Spells in combat back when I was looking into Turbo Operational Universal High Overcharge Utility for Divine Flame. Love Colored Magic doesn't have any forced prerequisites (like having to take a special feat as some of the others) but the Discipline mentions Prepared Spells in a couple Maneuvers even through all Pilots are Spontaneous Casters, presumably it's fine to cross things over?
There's a feat to allow spontaneous spellcasters to prepare spells I believe. Or you could just go for the maneuvers that don't specifically need prepared spells.

Also notice you still need to be able to cast spells as part of the maneuver, so wearing Pure Metal wouldn't synergize very well.

I also thought about picking up a Martial Item to learn a Maneuver from it instead of trying to chase Divine Flame given it's required Fire Subtype. What Slot would it use or do you share Anomander's thoughts (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=18008.msg328102#msg328102)?
I'll let you pick the slot.

As for martial discipline items, I think the rule is that when they have a requirement the requirement must be filled for the item to work. You couldn't get an item for a forbidden discipline without the feat for it, same goes for Ancient Temple and so on.

Clarification,  Forbidden School items are explicitly, well, forbidden. Even if you have the feat.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on November 08, 2017, 01:17:17 AM
Also notice you still need to be able to cast spells as part of the maneuver, so wearing Pure Metal wouldn't synergize very well.
Yeah, back and forth on that.

So if I dump the Pure Metal armor for the +8 Hardness against everything then I also can dump the Light Armor Proficiency Feat and maybe take Guardian which gives +[2+(hd/4)] DR each round once it kicks in. Combine with Yell and area attacks/spells, defensive weapons, or just plain shooting multiple people or getting shot and round 1 is no bonus but round two gives +8 or +16 if you Yell again, and the bonus just keeps going up too (anyone need a new defensive tactic?). It's pretty tempting but potentially a paperwork nightmare.

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Post by: Anomander on November 08, 2017, 11:46:16 AM
Do level 4 support staff minions start with a base?
If so, where would it be? Parum feels pretty far and technically the Protectora is not just a place where stuff happens but an actual battleship, which I don't think bases are meant to be built within.
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Post by: ketaro on November 08, 2017, 04:43:08 PM
Katherine is definitely enjoying working with Hugo lately  :D
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on November 08, 2017, 05:14:39 PM
How concerning.
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Post by: oslecamo on November 09, 2017, 12:17:00 AM
Do level 4 support staff minions start with a base?
If so, where would it be? Parum feels pretty far and technically the Protectora is not just a place where stuff happens but an actual battleship, which I don't think bases are meant to be built within.

Correct, but you can assume there's a big asteroid in orbit around Ragol big enough to set up shop.
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Post by: Anomander on November 09, 2017, 12:04:23 PM
Neat. Could it be that some of Mao's lower level followers are still working for her in Parum, mostly doing clerical work, or must they have all migrated to Ragol?

Eh, tough luck. The only useless mineral. Oh well.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on November 09, 2017, 05:29:53 PM
How concerning.

Do I detect a hint of jealousy?

Don't worry though, Hugo would never sink the Kathammy ship.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on November 09, 2017, 08:05:14 PM
How concerning.

Do I detect a hint of jealousy?

Don't worry though, Hugo would never sink the Kathammy ship.

If it was someone except Hugo, that wouldn't seem like such a long-term problem. :P
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Post by: Kuroimaken on November 10, 2017, 09:50:53 AM
How concerning.

Do I detect a hint of jealousy?

Don't worry though, Hugo would never sink the Kathammy ship.

If it was someone except Hugo, that wouldn't seem like such a long-term problem. :P
I am honored that you think that way.  :lol
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Post by: Anomander on December 06, 2017, 01:48:45 PM
Rolled 42 on the History knowledge check over the events Aryk refers to. Not sure exactly which part of history she refers to, but may well be when the heroes sacrificed themselves to take out Mother Brain. In which case it isn't really a case of winning harded than necessary but of desperate measures where the results of the last path to victory aren't as bad as those of any path to defeat.
Though perhaps whats in the Fluff is only the common knowledge.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on December 06, 2017, 03:20:39 PM
Not sure exactly which part of history she refers to, but may well be when the heroes sacrificed themselves to take out Mother Brain.
Let me guess, the planet exploded afterwards?
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Post by: Anomander on December 06, 2017, 06:16:07 PM
Aye, I associate the term mostly with the optional boss in Chrono Trigger that has the same name. Then to that final Metroid boss even though I've never played 'hem (except Super Metroid but not sure if I actually bothered to finish it).
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Post by: oslecamo on December 06, 2017, 07:34:05 PM
Not sure exactly which part of history she refers to, but may well be when the heroes sacrificed themselves to take out Mother Brain.
Let me guess, the planet exploded afterwards?
Thing is, Palma exploded quite a bit before Mother Brain was taken out.  :smirk

Rolled 42 on the History knowledge check over the events Aryk refers to. Not sure exactly which part of history she refers to, but may well be when the heroes sacrificed themselves to take out Mother Brain. In which case it isn't really a case of winning harded than necessary but of desperate measures where the results of the last path to victory aren't as bad as those of any path to defeat.
Though perhaps whats in the Fluff is only the common knowledge.

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(feel free to roll arcana/religion/planes for some more bits of intel)
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Post by: Raineh Daze on December 06, 2017, 08:17:50 PM
Nice acronym you've got in there.
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Post by: ketaro on December 07, 2017, 01:03:34 AM
I'm a bit lost on understanding the findings in the finally retrieved data archive we lost so long ago -_-'
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Post by: Kuroimaken on December 07, 2017, 09:51:11 AM
Here's what I gathered from it.

Whatever DAUGHTER is, it basically leads people down a path of "evolution" wherein organics versus artificials becomes an insurmountable rift. While the AA doesn't seem to be in that picture (at least that I could see), it's not difficult to surmise that the artificials got the upper hand and being organic became a societal liability (read headlines like "organic reproduction becomes outlawed"), eventually leading to all-out war. Unfortunately, between the lack of context and timestamps, it's hard if not impossible to draw any kind of timetable, much less discern the exact elements that lead down this path.

Mind, some of this is predicated on information Hugo is privy to that he has not informed the party of yet.

EDIT: Also not sure what Ammy means by Hugo sharing... is she referring to Purple Maid?
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Post by: Raineh Daze on December 07, 2017, 11:01:55 AM
The actual data so she can get a look at it. He's talking about apocalyptic stuff here. :p

Honestly, just sounds like the end result of the Android Administration hanging around with normal people, only with more magic and undead in the picture. Robots are more efficient, and also people, organic life therefore works out as an inefficient economic burden. So get rid of anything living.

No way that can go wrong when playing with dark magic. And blocking out the sun.
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Post by: Anomander on December 07, 2017, 02:28:09 PM
Oh, theory crafting? Sounds good. Here's a go at data comprehension:

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Post by: Raineh Daze on December 07, 2017, 02:33:30 PM
On principle, that seems like reading too much into relatively little data. @_@
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Post by: Anomander on December 07, 2017, 02:40:24 PM
Not really. You can see by the way the logs were distributed that there is a narrative going on. It also looks like its been specifically laid out so as to come to specific conclusions.
Those logs actually do say a lot.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on December 07, 2017, 03:00:02 PM
Maybe the conclusions, but not the length. :P

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Synthetic skies are all right. A pretty big expense but living organics have some of their own too and both would pay taxes.

Blocking out the entirety of the sun and making a fake sky isn't what I'd call "all right"

-

Ah, mostly listing out details.

See, if this is from the future, and is dealing with robots etc...

I reckon it's just a stable time loop and an extension of the administration. Which is why Mao is involved. Bloody loyalty. :p
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Post by: Anomander on December 07, 2017, 03:16:23 PM
You reach the conclusions after some length. Doesn't mean I got it right, still. Just deductions from what is already known.

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Blocking out the entirety of the sun and making a fake sky isn't what I'd call "all right"
Not necessarily. Depends on the technology progress. Especially given how far this is happening and the 'now' being from the point of view of an already immensely technologically-advanced society. Possibly 80k+ years in the future kind of tech, judging from the monolith. If the AA managed to keep bios around for that long, color me impressed.

Keeping in mind that the solution may well be a lot simpler than it seems. It could also well overlap pre-existing structures that have other purposes. And that this is an age where quantum apartments are a thing.

But yeah, odds are that this future civilization is just some kind of Future AA. But recall that this civilization is at war with itself underground. With some of them using weird magic-linked monoliths, which isn't really an AA-thing.
If that's the case, though, then Future AA trying to destroy present AA... may be a little counterproductive. Though the paradox is prevented since they could be from an alternate dimension as well. They'd just wipe out another universe's AA, not their own past.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on December 07, 2017, 03:42:30 PM
Depends how time goes.

And hey, magic might not be the AA's thing, but who's to say that won't change when they're dealing with a magic and science using mess and have had plenty of time to dig around in Ragol?

Also, blocking out the sky is kind of a wasteful thing to do.
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Post by: Anomander on December 07, 2017, 03:55:12 PM
They only need to block what is harmful about it. We read synthetic sky but it doesn't really say what that involves.
It wouldn't be wasteful if it allows a large group of your population to work for a longer period of time rather than waiting for the day to be over.

Hard to envision that they would opt to use magic casually with their tech. The more time passes, the less magic there is. If you build your civilization with the idea that you want it to last, you need to work with stuff that lasts. The Entropy Elemental feat confirms it. It is a short term solution with lasting consequences. But who knows... they did accidentally kick themselves into the past, after all. Perhaps the magic issue is another reason for the inner conflict.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on December 07, 2017, 04:05:43 PM
They still had enduring undead. Therefore, negative energy hasn't gone anywhere.

Also this is Phantasy Star. Come on, what annoyingly persistent magical entity would likely provide all the negative energy you could ever want? :p
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Post by: SorO_Lost on December 07, 2017, 04:09:38 PM
You reach the conclusions after some length. Doesn't mean I got it right, still. Just deductions from what is already known.
Some of us don't really know PH so my crack at it.

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Post by: Anomander on December 07, 2017, 04:27:48 PM
Don't know much about PSO myself. Only using this campaign's settings info and what we learned so far in-game.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on December 07, 2017, 04:33:09 PM
Here's where things get wonky.

Let's say there is an actual timetravel mechanism in place here - the existence of future data supports this, though we do not necessarily know if people can get through. Some of the research on the subject could actually be coming from the time period our characters are currently in. That would be consistent with the appearance of the Unknowns and their seemingly random general objectives (remember that dragon we met in the facility at Ragol? The one that had a healing laser array nearby?). It SEEMS random because what they want is not of interest to us NOW but it DOES interest them in the future. If resources are scarce in their time period, then going back into the past to acquire them is less wasteful than it appears.

It also would save them a lot of trouble rather than fighting over what they've got (i.e. it's easier to take cloning facilities from us in the present than fighting over them in the future, for instance).
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Post by: Kuroimaken on December 07, 2017, 04:33:43 PM
Don't know much about PSO myself. Only using this campaign's settings info and what we learned so far in-game.
I seriously can't remember there being time-travel in PSO, at least not on 1.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on December 07, 2017, 04:59:34 PM
I seriously can't remember there being time-travel in PSO, at least not on 1.
It's easy to make inquiries if you know the question through.

Like in PSO2 some guy named Zeno gets declared MIA and after to gain the ability to manipulate time you can save his life against an "Elder". In PS3 the world ship Alisa III traveled through time using a black hole too. idk about PSO1 through.

Let's say there is an actual timetravel mechanism in place here - the existence of future data supports this, though we do not necessarily know if people can get through.
Given the space-time sanctions, probably anybody. The biggest deal is we don't know the scale of things. For all we know it takes ten million years.

Using D&D's time travel mechanics as well as popular theories, it takes more energy the further you go back in time. This is probably all the further they could reach too. The problem is, they increase resource consumption by adding more people performing larger research than the original timeline had which decreases the total lifespan before the eventual collapse. So each cycle ends sooner and requires to to travel a bit further back each time. So it's not a perpetual loop but a slowly diminishing one which brings you right back to the fatalistic point of entropy.

There are methods of perpetual energy, it's pretty prevalent in fiction and D&D has a billion methods.
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Post by: Anomander on December 07, 2017, 05:33:24 PM
Time travel does not seem to be something reliable since the reason for their presence here so far seems to be an accident. There was a collapse and everyone got shifted into the past or got destroyed in the seams. And we have no knowledge of what was left of their universe/timeline they left as a result of that collapse. Assuming it didn't wipe everything out of history.

The unknowns' objectives so far look anything but random. They secured the surface of Ragol, and the data seems to indicate that they were created by rebels, who were left behind on the surface.
They attacked the AA in their own spaceship to secure something that ended in their blackmarket. The facility they occupied/tried to keep us from had bio-monsters and a dragon, whose creations are backed by the datalogs.
The civilization from the future doesn't appear to have done anything yet. Only ARKAS, which is on the surface, got triggered by the relatively recent colonization attempt, so that civilization does not appear to have time travel-related motives yet and are entirely focused on their situation underground.

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Post by: Raineh Daze on December 07, 2017, 05:37:50 PM
Okay, the negative energy thing isn't just PSO--it's the original Phantasy Star IIRC. The final boss has "dark" in its name. Like, with the revelation of undead in the future despite the decline of magic and the fact there's supposedly not an entire infinite plane of the stuff? I think that thing's probably still knocking around, so "there's a finite amount of negative energy" might not be a concern.

And since it's in the original PS, I guess there might be a few records of it buried somewhere. I'm sure someone mentioned Algol.
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Post by: Anomander on December 07, 2017, 05:40:31 PM
Not sure what Dark Force is made of but if it's all about the terminology, I'll note that Dark is a term associated with the Shadow Plane rather than the Negative Energy Plane. Very different.

As for whether there is a finite amount of negative energy to work with after the planes all collapsed into a wasteland, it isn't particularly important. Just a very minor note I made as to what was possible. The implications on what led to what are more relevant in understanding how things got there and why things will be as they appear to have become in the future.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on December 07, 2017, 05:48:05 PM
I'm pretty certain that it's Dark as in evil, rather than dark as in a lack of light. :lmao
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Post by: Anomander on December 07, 2017, 06:21:10 PM
Evil doesn't work so well either since the concept is attuned to the fiendish outer planes. Negative Energy denizens are mostly evil, granted, but not because the place itself is evil; only anti-life by nature. Just happens that most of the stuff that can survive there is evil. Reading the wiki, seems like Dark Force comes from the Profound Darkness, which is some powerful residual spiritual being that's been sealed off. It can perhaps exist in something like the Negative Energy Plane, if it was still there (or if the wasteland acts like it) but only osle would know whether the entity counts as a plane in and of itself.
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Post by: oslecamo on December 07, 2017, 07:04:43 PM
Yay players discussing my fluff bits! (https://i.somethingawful.com/images/emot-dance.gif)

Some behind-the-scenes trivia:
-PS IV indeed had a Daughter (http://phantasystar.wikia.com/wiki/Daughter) super computer, basically an attempt to create a less crazy successor to Mother Brain. Kinda easy to miss since it's on a sidequest that's only available late game and even then during a relatively short time window. After certain story events the relevant facility becomes locked and can't be entered. Possible explanations are that either Demi (a party member that you leave behind and issues you the sidequest) took care of it by herself while you were gone, or Daughter succeeded in fortifying herself.
-The tvtropes page of PSO2 characters (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/PhantasyStarOnline2ARKS) has a surprising detailed amount of lore, in particular when the english wikis have little if none. And yes there's quite a bit of time traveling shenigans along the spoilers (also something I only notice now, seems like CASTs in PSO2 are actually more like cyborgs, previously meatbags that replaced most of their squishy bits with superior steel, which explains why they can still use magic techniques). Makes me look at RLisa in a whole new way.

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The scene plays inside a place familiar to you-the architecture of the interior of the central dome in Parum, and a Debugger moving through its corridors.
Some bio-monsters appear from the shadows, but do not attack, neither does the Debugger move against them.
Perhaps this is a mistake and Osle meant Ragol rather than Parum.

Ups, yes, that one's a typo. :blush
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Post by: Kuroimaken on December 10, 2017, 11:03:20 AM
Not sure what Dark Force is made of but if it's all about the terminology, I'll note that Dark is a term associated with the Shadow Plane rather than the Negative Energy Plane. Very different.

As for whether there is a finite amount of negative energy to work with after the planes all collapsed into a wasteland, it isn't particularly important. Just a very minor note I made as to what was possible. The implications on what led to what are more relevant in understanding how things got there and why things will be as they appear to have become in the future.
Since PS' original terminology had nothing to do with D&D canon planes (especially since it predates that material by some 10 to 20-odd years) they pretty much mean Dark as in negative/evil.

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Post by: Kuroimaken on December 10, 2017, 11:05:05 AM

The unknowns' objectives so far look anything but random. They secured the surface of Ragol, and the data seems to indicate that they were created by rebels, who were left behind on the surface.
They attacked the AA in their own spaceship to secure something that ended in their blackmarket. The facility they occupied/tried to keep us from had bio-monsters and a dragon, whose creations are backed by the datalogs.
The civilization from the future doesn't appear to have done anything yet. Only ARKAS, which is on the surface, got triggered by the relatively recent colonization attempt, so that civilization does not appear to have time travel-related motives yet and are entirely focused on their situation underground.
In hindsight, perhaps. But as things were happening, it sure DID seem at least partially random. When we infiltrated that research facility, it didn't seem like that was necessarily their work - for all we knew it was a hush-hush AA pet project.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on December 10, 2017, 11:26:54 AM
Yes, Hugo, ignore the giant person. :p
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Post by: Kuroimaken on December 10, 2017, 12:20:07 PM
Sorry, was actually waiting for Kat to chime in before I posted again. But Baha wanted a look at the video, and she looked like she had some comments she wanted to make right away... so it was a choice between ignoring the giant person or the dragon lady.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on December 10, 2017, 12:21:05 PM
Since PS' original terminology had nothing to do with D&D canon planes (especially since it predates that material by some 10 to 20-odd years) they pretty much mean Dark as in negative/evil.
Phantasy Star came out in 1987, thirteen years after D&D's release, and by 1978 the Planes were standardized under the wheel in Dragon.

Sorry, was actually waiting for Kat to chime in before I posted again. But Baha wanted a look at the video, and she looked like she had some comments she wanted to make right away... so it was a choice between ignoring the giant person or the dragon lady.
Yeahee about that...  :lol
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Post by: Raineh Daze on December 10, 2017, 12:29:18 PM
I highly doubt a sci-fi fantasy RPG from Japan was going to be using D&D's cosmology in the 80's, though. :lmao
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Post by: Kuroimaken on December 10, 2017, 01:04:33 PM
I highly doubt a sci-fi fantasy RPG from Japan was going to be using D&D's cosmology in the 80's, though. :lmao
Well, Record of Lodoss War is a thing, but that was my point.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on December 10, 2017, 01:32:05 PM
Wasn't that explicitly based off a campaign the author did?
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Post by: Anomander on December 10, 2017, 01:41:07 PM
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I highly doubt a sci-fi fantasy RPG from Japan was going to be using D&D's cosmology in the 80's, though. :lmao
I think it is rather the opposite. The way osle words things seem to infer that we more or less take common DnD stuff and pretty much convert it to PSO stuff for story reasons.
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Post by: Anomander on December 18, 2017, 05:23:06 PM
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(looks like Ols is trying to push us to Ando?)
I think we were all booked to go back to Ragol the next day anyway. That was the plan, I believe.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on December 18, 2017, 08:24:07 PM
Giant worm? I think it's time for giant worm.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on December 19, 2017, 11:05:02 AM
Giant worm? I think it's time for giant worm tentacles.
I agree.

Who all has tentacle-like attacks they can use against the next opponent?
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Post by: Kuroimaken on December 19, 2017, 11:49:54 AM
Giant worm? I think it's time for giant worm tentacles.
I agree.

Who all has tentacle-like attacks they can use against the next opponent?

[Hugo as a general concept intensifies]
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Post by: Raineh Daze on December 19, 2017, 02:37:14 PM
Really, I think we should worry about the tentacles being aimed in our direction :P
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Post by: ketaro on December 19, 2017, 04:59:50 PM
Why would we worry  :D
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Post by: Kuroimaken on December 19, 2017, 06:35:18 PM
Really, I think we should worry about the tentacles being aimed in our direction :P
If they haven't been aimed at you yet, then they won't be.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on December 20, 2017, 04:48:25 PM
If they haven't been aimed at you yet, then they won't be.
*Makes a mental note to 'accidentally' change that*
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Post by: Raineh Daze on December 20, 2017, 05:05:44 PM
Hey, I'd be good in a grapple. :T
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Post by: ketaro on December 20, 2017, 11:50:59 PM
Mmm, I bet  :eh
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Post by: Raineh Daze on December 20, 2017, 11:52:40 PM
Hey, I'm on +45. That's something. :lmao
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Post by: Kuroimaken on December 21, 2017, 11:15:26 AM
Note to self: research bigger variations of Evard's.  :P
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Post by: SorO_Lost on December 21, 2017, 11:52:05 AM
Note to self: research bigger variations of Evard's.  :P
Widened Kyristan's Malevolent Tentacles.

Better name, wider range, guaranteed to leave the target worn out and feel a little drained.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on December 21, 2017, 06:51:47 PM
By bigger I actually meant size category-wise. Evards is great at grappling for medium-sized spell but it can't trap something bigger than Huge.
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Post by: oslecamo on December 23, 2017, 11:13:55 AM
So can I time-skip to team tea going to the coordinate points? Assuming you take a ride on Baha's minion ship.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on December 23, 2017, 11:51:37 PM
Don't see why not. We can always rendezvous with the three merc sisters and interrogate the other suckers when we get back.
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Post by: Anomander on December 24, 2017, 01:42:40 AM
Mao will likely start the 3rd Ragol expedition in the morning (Ragol time) and reassemble the team for it.
She'd also run a scan for the small object found in the rumbles of the stealth ship. Maybe double check with Hugo's findings if any.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on December 24, 2017, 12:38:27 PM
So can I time-skip to team tea going to the coordinate points? Assuming you take a ride on Baha's minion ship.
I'm up for that.

Also Merry Christmas all.
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Post by: oslecamo on December 24, 2017, 07:01:18 PM
Feliz Natal! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlNoTn-FXC4)
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on December 25, 2017, 09:48:00 AM
Merry Christmas!
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Post by: oslecamo on December 28, 2017, 10:51:12 PM
Don't see why not. We can always rendezvous with the three merc sisters and interrogate the other suckers when we get back.
Mao will likely start the 3rd Ragol expedition in the morning (Ragol time) and reassemble the team for it.
She'd also run a scan for the small object found in the rumbles of the stealth ship. Maybe double check with Hugo's findings if any.
Then I need to know if team tea wants to go to check with Mao first and exactly how much they reveal, that with Hugo finding an highly illegal einst passenger onboard and stuff (and then Mao whetever Mao tells Maia).

Also Scan only works on creatures/mechas as per the spirit description. If you wanted to use some other specific ability, please clarify which.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on December 28, 2017, 11:38:25 PM
I'm not sure why we'd need to rendezvous with Mao. Did we ever agree to meet up like that? Are we contractually obliged to do it right now?
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Post by: oslecamo on December 29, 2017, 12:14:29 AM
No, but then that'll leave the party not only split between two places but also two timezones (as Mao will be waiting until the next day before departing). :P
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Post by: Kuroimaken on December 29, 2017, 09:42:24 AM
I think the smartest thing to do here is to tell Mao we recovered some very troubling intel from the black market guys, show her the video where she's evil and ask her what she knows about it. And ask her to keep quiet regarding telling the A.A. we've seen it. (It makes fairly little difference if she does, but if she doesn't, then at least I don't have to put one of my contingency plans in motion.)
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Post by: ketaro on December 29, 2017, 11:45:50 AM
Oooh, Evil Mao videos  :D
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Post by: Anomander on December 30, 2017, 01:09:27 AM
I think the smartest thing to do here is to tell Mao we recovered some very troubling intel from the black market guys, show her the video where she's evil and ask her what she knows about it. And ask her to keep quiet regarding telling the A.A. we've seen it. (It makes fairly little difference if she does, but if she doesn't, then at least I don't have to put one of my contingency plans in motion.)
Considering she likely won't even conclude her appearance in that video to mean that she has gone evil, I wouldn't worry about it. If she is told that the video is what was found off the black market folks, then this would indicate that Arcas sought to get it. Wanting it badly enough to raid the battleship. Couple that with the ongoing strong suspicion that Arcas is from the future, and that this video comes from the future, it is way too important a piece of data to not share with Parum for analysis against this potential enemy. Not telling that Hugo has seen it or even lying about it (she isn't one to lie) would be a bit dumb if she submits the data to the AA. Really hard to believe that Hugo would recover data he was tasked with analyzing but wouldn't have actually watched the stuff himself. -rectification; I mean that it wouldn't be worthy of mention since it would just be assumed - I don't foresee any bad stuff happening because of it anyway considering the highly confidential material they already know about.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on December 30, 2017, 09:01:15 AM
The big point of contention isn't really whether Hugo and co. have seen it, but rather whether she tells the A.A. about it or not. If she doesn't, and keeps the information to herself, they know the info is still on the wind, but not who had access to it. If she tells them he recovered that data, then it is assumed he watched it as you said, but not who obtained it in the first place.

The goal of giving her the video isn't really to shake her beliefs or anything, but rather check what she may or may not be familiar with - ARCAS in particular. That would mean Mao has a significant piece of the puzzle in her hands, and then it becomes a matter of whether she'll be willing to share or not.
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Post by: Anomander on December 30, 2017, 12:59:37 PM
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The big point of contention isn't really whether Hugo and co. have seen it, but rather whether she tells the A.A. about it or not. If she doesn't, and keeps the information to herself, they know the info is still on the wind, but not who had access to it.
That is assuming that the AA is actually aware of the existence of that video. And assuming that this is indeed the data his informant had uncovered.
It was, after all, handed to you by someone who isn't being very subtle in how she wants to eventually convert every lifeform into what she is. And she comes from a planet who is under an alliance with the AA.
It is possible that she is using you guys to plot against her allies to get an advantage on Ragol or that she and the AA (sections of it, at least) are working together on this, that they are actually aware of her presence on the ship and are just using you guys through another angle (former feeling more possible, though feels like Hugo is already aware of that and that she isn't very trustworthy, what with bringing in the maid). Just to say that everything she tells you guys isn't to be taken for granted.
The whole thing with the informant finding that special info, contacting Hugo, then being dead when he gets there could be a set-up.

Don't think I'm telling you anything you don't know already, though. Just checking with Mao is good enough to confirm things a bit and see what may be known from the other side of things.
But as to Mao keeping it to herself, I'll remind of a few things; she is an administrator so she represents the whole of the AA. Even if she keeps the stuff to herself, technically the AA is now aware of it.
The mentality of the AA is that, being an administration, they seek performance by having decisions run through the collection of their administrators. If she does not share the information with other administrators, it would mostly be because it would be deemed more efficient than the alternative.
From experience, Hugo would remember how she was very forward with everything they found on Ragol during the first expedition. Though she did hold some information, which she gave to Maia only, not trusting all the other AA channels with it.

Not saying she will stay quiet or not. Just that it would be logical of Hugo to expect her to disclose the information to her peers. It depends on how the exposition is handled.

@Osle: Are the mundane weapons of the market still costing 40 arsenal space to load on a mecha? That was before the arsenal overhaul. Just checking.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on December 30, 2017, 03:39:16 PM
Actually, he wasn't dead, merely mindwiped. What is truly astonishing is that a seemingly random person would be able to uncover THAT kind of information. I get what you're saying, but the likelihood of the initial informant being a plant is fairly low, because that assumes the plot was to steal the data and then double-cross the guy all along, for which they'd have to KNOW who Hugo was reaching out to.

Assuming Purple Maid is an actual merc, rather than a loyal servant (i.e. working by contract rather than as a carreer servant to the Einst Queen), there were probably a number of ways she could have achieved the same end. What's really troubling is that she did not disclose how she knew what to look for in the first place. Hugo is mostly working under the assumption he's being taken for a ride, but in order for him to be of any real use to them, they'll have to provide him with SOME actual intel.

If all else fails, it pays to be friends with walking star cores.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on December 30, 2017, 03:41:30 PM
Note to self: once they get back from the surface, Hugo needs to look into how that information was initially acquired, under the guise of following through on his original investigation about the video.
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Post by: Anomander on December 30, 2017, 04:14:19 PM
Maybe I'm mixing memories but wasn't that informant the one he had made at the bar after returning from Ragol? Hugo had made two contacts then, one was an android.
Those who had gone to the bar had made themselves very visible back then. Anyone interested in Ragol, like that einst gal, would be interested in the crew that was assigned to it and that came back alive. And so it is quite possible to know who Hugo spoke with then and maybe even what was said. Hell, many people there recorded the conversation. Once you know he got those informants, you can set up a stage.

Either way, them knowing he had the data (and, yes, how did he get it? How does future data blocks end up in the spaceship orbiting the planet where it was likely taken from when presumably nobody made it back from Ragol?) and apparently snatching it just before Hugo gets to recover it is pretty convenient. A mindwipe instead of simply killing is pretty gracious of them. You can't even use something like Speak with Dead to confirm stuff. Though eccentricities aside, such a setup isn't necessary. Could go for a more direct approach.
Wonder what was learned from that captured unknown beyond the location of a cloning facility.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on December 30, 2017, 04:32:15 PM
Just make sure it's clear what side I'm on if a war breaks out.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on December 30, 2017, 04:44:32 PM
Just make sure it's clear what side I'm on if a war breaks out.
Maybe Amaterasu should make it clear what side she's on. :P
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Post by: Raineh Daze on December 30, 2017, 05:50:21 PM
I thought that was already obvious.

Highest bidder, person not threatening an apocalypse automatically has a higher bid. She likes existing. :P
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Post by: SorO_Lost on December 30, 2017, 07:42:06 PM
Highest bidder, person not threatening an apocalypse automatically has a higher bid. She likes existing. :P
Join team Bahamut then.

It's a prolife choice with conservative values but near equal opportunity. The church doesn't encourage existential nihilistism as a way to overcome our fear of it, rather we deck it in the face because it makes us feel good and that is the meaning of our life. Protect the children so they can pay taxes later, shelter and treat the adults so they live long enough to pay off their student loan debts, ensure a happy retirement so motivate people to work their asses off for you. It's the original American dream before they f**ked their country up. Plus we have cookies. Special sign on bonus for today, a +9 bonus to Strength everyday until Osl bans Gods from his campaign for being too powerful. Some restrictions apply (don't torch followers), see store for details, do not take the essence of Bahamut if you have an erection lasting for more than sixteen hours, see your doctor if you don't spontaneously light up in flames while smiting your opponents.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on December 30, 2017, 08:05:43 PM
Do they really need more people capable of being stars? >.>
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Post by: SorO_Lost on December 30, 2017, 08:42:48 PM
Do they really need more people capable of being stars? >.>
Yes.

Evolution is part of life. To stop growing and to remain still is the stagnation people call "death". Shine brighter, glow warmer, and deliver your light to all so they can benefit from it before you violently explode accidentally killing everyone.
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Post by: oslecamo on December 30, 2017, 08:55:04 PM
@Osle: Are the mundane weapons of the market still costing 40 arsenal space to load on a mecha? That was before the arsenal overhaul. Just checking.
20 arsenal now then.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on December 30, 2017, 09:02:46 PM
Do they really need more people capable of being stars? >.>
Yes.

Evolution is part of life. To stop growing and to remain still is the stagnation people call "death". Shine brighter, glow warmer, and deliver your light to all so they can benefit from it before you violently explode accidentally killing everyone.

Ah yes, burn brighter.

I'll get on that right after I have SR and more DR. And CON.

Because personal endurance is the key to shining as bright as can be done~
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Post by: Anomander on December 31, 2017, 09:50:59 AM
-double post error-
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Post by: Anomander on December 31, 2017, 10:09:07 AM

I think Curtis can hop into the scene now. Can get acquainted and it'll smooth up his introduction into the action.
Also; Dat Purple Maid!

 Just noticed this:
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Also Scan only works on creatures/mechas as per the spirit description. If you wanted to use some other specific ability, please clarify which.
I hadn't meant scan as in the scan spirit but just having the AA staff scan it, as they would Aryk's staff. I suppose I could leave it to her secretary to take care of. Any specific knowledge check required?
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Post by: Kuroimaken on December 31, 2017, 10:26:17 AM
Highest bidder, person not threatening an apocalypse automatically has a higher bid. She likes existing. :P
Join team Bahamut then.

It's a prolife choice with conservative values but near equal opportunity. The church doesn't encourage existential nihilistism as a way to overcome our fear of it, rather we deck it in the face because it makes us feel good and that is the meaning of our life. Protect the children so they can pay taxes later, shelter and treat the adults so they live long enough to pay off their student loan debts, ensure a happy retirement so motivate people to work their asses off for you. It's the original American dream before they f**ked their country up. Plus we have cookies. Special sign on bonus for today, a +9 bonus to Strength everyday until Osl bans Gods from his campaign for being too powerful. Some restrictions apply (don't torch followers), see store for details, do not take the essence of Bahamut if you have an erection lasting for more than sixteen hours, see your doctor if you don't spontaneously light up in flames while smiting your opponents.

Does Team Bahamut have dental and harem maintenance plans?
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Post by: oslecamo on December 31, 2017, 11:05:51 AM
Feliz ano novo! (from my current timezone)
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Post by: SorO_Lost on December 31, 2017, 11:20:12 AM
Does Team Bahamut have dental and harem maintenance plans?
Dental, hearing, and eye care. Harem maintenance packages are also available and hysteria treatment is free but frequently overbooked so you'll need to schedule an appointment.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on December 31, 2017, 11:40:47 AM
Does Team Bahamut have dental and harem maintenance plans?
Dental, hearing, and eye care. Harem maintenance packages are also available and hysteria treatment is free but frequently overbooked so you'll need to schedule an appointment.
Sign me up, especially if they have bonus girls.
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on December 31, 2017, 02:41:18 PM
Just let me know when to hop in. Also I'm currently in the need of another decent 1st level sorcerer spell for my Arcane Pilot. I also have two that I want to replace if I can find a better one which are Orb of Electricity, Lesser (1st) and Scintillating Sphere (3rd). I also have a spell-like ability of Wraithstrike (http://dnd.arkalseif.info/spells/complete-adventurer--54/wraithstrike--432/) 3/day, but I'm wonder if I can find something better considering I have a bonus to my melee from my Divine Characteristic. As far as what sort of spells I'm looking for, electric or cold ones as well as utility ones. And I will also be using Love-Colored Magic, cause that matters.
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on December 31, 2017, 02:41:57 PM
I quoted on accident, bleh.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on December 31, 2017, 03:17:00 PM
Instant Division out of RotD, it's like Mirror Image but a Swift Action and only lasts one round. At CL12+ it kicks out four clones that look, sound, and act like you. Your opponents will have an 80% chance to target the wrong one resulting in it's destruction, followed by a 75% chance to strike another incorrect clone and so on. Useful to dodge the heavy hits if you can anticipate them coming.
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on December 31, 2017, 04:59:03 PM
Instant Division out of RotD, it's like Mirror Image but a Swift Action and only lasts one round. At CL12+ it kicks out four clones that look, sound, and act like you. Your opponents will have an 80% chance to target the wrong one resulting in it's destruction, followed by a 75% chance to strike another incorrect clone and so on. Useful to dodge the heavy hits if you can anticipate them coming.

That's a good one thanks. Also darn my weird as hell stance levels.
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Post by: Anomander on January 01, 2018, 12:00:03 AM
Happy new year, folks!
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on January 01, 2018, 07:35:42 AM
Happy New Years!
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Post by: Kuroimaken on January 01, 2018, 10:27:36 AM
Happy new start of Earth's revolution.  :p
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Post by: Anomander on January 06, 2018, 05:27:55 PM
Quote from: Curtis
Just let me know when to hop in.
Now's a good time, actually. She and Mao are supposed to meet. Mao would consult her Parum Administration file for her background check to know who she is working with. If Stephanie isn't new in the administration they may well already know eachother.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on January 06, 2018, 05:37:08 PM
Just never expect Amaterasu to bother introducing herself. :lmao
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Post by: Kuroimaken on January 07, 2018, 08:51:21 PM
Also, expect Hugo to treat her cordially and respectfully but still be regarded as the team pervert for some reason.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on January 07, 2018, 09:07:45 PM
I wonder why.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on January 07, 2018, 09:38:59 PM
Has he actually assailed any girls with tentacles that you know of and/or can prove?  :P
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Post by: Raineh Daze on January 07, 2018, 09:41:05 PM
Don't need to do that to be a transparently shameless lech. :P
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Post by: Kuroimaken on January 07, 2018, 10:05:05 PM
You're just saying that because he hasn't hit on Ammy once.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on January 07, 2018, 10:11:00 PM
Perhaps wisely realising that the inevitable age comments will not go well? :P
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Post by: ketaro on January 07, 2018, 10:12:21 PM
More like because he knows Ammy is already taken  :flirt
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on January 07, 2018, 10:52:50 PM
Quote from: Curtis
Just let me know when to hop in.
Now's a good time, actually. She and Mao are supposed to meet. Mao would consult her Parum Administration file for her background check to know who she is working with. If Stephanie isn't new in the administration they may well already know eachother.


Eh, I'll add some history tomorrow, but she's on record as a freelance scientist associated with a certain organization.  She just got hired for her skills in research and the fact she's capable of self defense unlike most nerds.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on January 07, 2018, 11:10:58 PM
More like because he knows Ammy is already taken  :flirt
Why do you think he hasn't hit on Kath, either?

But when the time comes, he hopes she'll remember who helped her get revenge on Murasaki.  :P
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Post by: oslecamo on January 07, 2018, 11:49:02 PM
Also, expect Hugo to treat her cordially and respectfully but still be regarded as the team pervert for some reason.
Mao at one point wanted to wear her followers, and did you peek at Baha's minions?
Hugo's one of the team's perverts. :p

Quote from: Curtis
Just let me know when to hop in.
Now's a good time, actually. She and Mao are supposed to meet. Mao would consult her Parum Administration file for her background check to know who she is working with. If Stephanie isn't new in the administration they may well already know eachother.


Eh, I'll add some history tomorrow, but she's on record as a freelance scientist associated with a certain organization.  She just got hired for her skills in research and the fact she's capable of self defense unlike most nerds.

Well you can start posting now.

As for the record Maia sends to Mao, it will depend on what exactly Stephanie's detailed background is. :P

And I'm somewhat proud you're bringing enough extra clothing around to make Tomoyo nod in approval.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on January 08, 2018, 11:27:54 AM
Mao at one point wanted to wear her followers, and did you peek at Baha's minions? Hugo's one of the team's perverts. :p
The key to perversion is abnormality and changing an original purpose. So while inventing someone to wear is fairly campaign fitting. Trying to spank NPCs with intruding tentacles is not. At least not yet...
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Post by: Kuroimaken on January 08, 2018, 03:08:48 PM
Hey, hey, tentacles are fifth base.

And you guys know nothing of the intricacies of an S&M relationship.  :p
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Post by: Anomander on January 08, 2018, 07:30:18 PM
@Curtis
-Would Stephanie have any academics-related title? For the accomplishment of something equivalent to a Masters or Doctorate degree?
-Any previous work with the Parum Administration? If so, how'd it go? And depending on how long she's been there, Mao and Steph may already know each other.
-Which fields are she studying/specializing in? Or is she a scientist in "science in general"? I'd imagine that her PrC hints of a field in the sciences of magic/entropy.
-Who are her worshipers?
-Is Team Silver an organisation in Parum or some kind of space private military contractor or other?
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Post by: Raineh Daze on January 08, 2018, 07:38:54 PM
Two gods now? Good grief.
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Post by: oslecamo on January 08, 2018, 08:34:50 PM
I remember Curtis mentioning hat Stephanie was the developer of the GN engine in this verse.
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Post by: ketaro on January 08, 2018, 08:43:30 PM
Two gods now? Good grief.

Meh, I already lost count of how many gods soro shoved in his own family's backstory and Baha's by far the weakest since the others are able to spam 9th level spells and psionics and control the fabric of space-time itself or something.

Just saying, most players I've met usually make their characters the protagonists of their own stories, but soro seemingly enjoys reducing himself to a tertiary support character that's not actually doing anything important in the campaign when compared to the rest of their fabulous family are up to.

Clearly it's just a taunt about what could have been or will be should Baha get killed
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Post by: Raineh Daze on January 08, 2018, 08:45:43 PM
I'm just going to stick with running at things really fast and trying to hit them with a glowing metal stick. I like this concept.

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I remember Curtis mentioning hat Stephanie was the developer of the GN engine in this verse.

This a gundam thing?
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Post by: oslecamo on January 08, 2018, 08:47:51 PM
From Gundam 0, also an arsenal option.
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on January 08, 2018, 09:39:45 PM
@Curtis
-Would Stephanie have any academics-related title? For the accomplishment of something equivalent to a Masters or Doctorate degree?
-Any previous work with the Parum Administration? If so, how'd it go? And depending on how long she's been there, Mao and Steph may already know each other.
-Which fields are she studying/specializing in? Or is she a scientist in "science in general"? I'd imagine that her PrC hints of a field in the sciences of magic/entropy.
-Who are her worshipers?
-Is Team Silver an organisation in Parum or some kind of space private military contractor or other?

Sorry,  I've forgotten to put relevant info. 

-She'd have a doctorate.
-No previous work with Parum
-Her specializations are the GN particles (she discovered them on accident), magic/tech fusion, with a bit of other things. She's also a decent mecha engineer.
-Her worshipers are a planet she saved. The problem may have or may have not been partially her fault... But it was definitely because she was in the middle of a chase.
-Space private organization.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on January 08, 2018, 10:08:51 PM
And final question: age? :p

I'm trying to work out what the hell the party's like age-wise right now and SorO and Ano just have such confusing backstories I don't know where to start.

Ammy's like... 620 from the timeline? xD
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on January 08, 2018, 10:39:28 PM
Around 20, probably 22. I guess pretty young considering. Couldn't figure out where to put her age... Probably first line of history. I'll add a description soon, but I suck describing people lol.
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Post by: oslecamo on January 08, 2018, 10:56:41 PM
By anime and phantasy star standards, a 22 year old non android is basically an old woman with a foot in the grave. This is Alys conquers a system by 15 years old and Nei II was about 1 year old since newearls grow super fast. Also they supposedly only lived half a dozen years originally but that was removed in later games and also here since not very PC friendly.
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Post by: Anomander on January 08, 2018, 11:00:42 PM
Min Yung's age is a bit hard to pin down if the universe works as it does in the phantasy star series (from what I understood after playing PSO2 a bit).
She existed as one of the first truly sentient AIs. I originally thought she'd be a product of Earth, built by Korean scientists, whose tech would have been preserved/archived and brought along with the rest of their stuff until they meddled with the Algol system and designed Mother Brain. Alternatively, as is currently written, it could be that she was one of the first sentient robots to occur by accident a few decades before the Great Collapse. Being eternal, she simply comes back after some time following her utter destruction, and did during the Devastation War to put an end to the conflict. She likely came back a few time briefly in-between, since her return can take anytime between 1 to 1000 years, but she did nothing particularly remarkable then that would have attracted attention to her. Perhaps even returning herself to death if she felt the world wasn't ready for her yet. The eternal aspect of Good that animates her is probably much older, but it likely doesn't matter much since although she technically existed for a very long time, she did not really get to experience her existence much until the Devastation War. And even then Machines probably do not experience time the way we do. Processing time and all that.
Black Mirror's Christmas episode explores that notion with a deliciously dark spin.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on January 08, 2018, 11:05:22 PM
So someone whose age is based upon how you define age and indeterminate periods of consciousness.

Let's never try throwing her a birthday party.

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Post by: Anomander on January 08, 2018, 11:12:13 PM
Good idea. She wouldn't know the date for it anyway.
I imagine a Korean/Japanese AI computer whose only experience of 'physical' existence would be through a creating a respawning CAST character in Phantasy Star Online 2. But there is no ARK yet so nevermind that.
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Post by: oslecamo on January 08, 2018, 11:56:33 PM
I thought I had made it pretty clear you're in some parallel universe, that with more mechas and Nei still being alive and Hugo's ex and now GN particle powered gundams joining the fun. :P
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Post by: SorO_Lost on January 09, 2018, 12:01:11 AM
And you guys know nothing of the intricacies of an S&M relationship.  :p
:eh

Two gods now? Good grief.

Meh, I already lost count of how many gods soro shoved in his own family's backstory and Baha's by far the weakest since the others are able to spam 9th level spells and psionics and control the fabric of space-time itself or something.

Just saying, most players I've met usually make their characters the protagonists of their own stories, but soro seemingly enjoys reducing himself to a tertiary support character that's not actually doing anything important in the campaign when compared to the rest of their fabulous family are up to.
Clearly it's just a taunt about what could have been or will be should Baha get killed
It's closer to none of those things.

Two of them draw off other characters I've already used before through. Besides, our DM banhammered content and wrote unresistable planetary wide antimagic after I went too casterish. Just imagine if I tried to do something the actully had in impact on the storyline sometime. I mean I did once, someone filled like twenty pages with endless bitching even through he got all the loot and his own loyal clone follower that maybe casts Spells? I'm not sure, OOC/PM inquiries were ignored and in game the character is a loyal fan that's been interrogated and was cursed stupid for a bit, I still can't even answer the question if she is supposed to be a Wizard, Psion, or w/e. It's just like those files in the tea party, issued and got an acknowledgement about a follower translating more of it since we know using a Divination Spell would never fly and we never got anything from it. I have no idea why Ols would complain Baha is a meaningless support character, it's exactly what he has forced it to be.
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Post by: Anomander on January 09, 2018, 12:18:07 AM
I thought the developments you made to your backstory actually gave a lot of material to put Baha more into the front of the story. I thought it was kind of obvious.
Like, 'hey, here's something connecting to your story that can affect the current state of things'.
It doesn't have to since it could well be Baha's own private crusade on the side but the material is there.

Baha helped a lot with the video footage found on Ragol. The bit with Aryk was a big mess but I did not start bitching about it. And got no loot out of it either. You got the original and the only reason I had to get a clone done was because Baha led everyone to believe that he killed her; a vital source of information. And conveniently left enough to make a clone.
What happens with that clone is nothing I hadn't planned for the original if she hadn't gotten spooked back during her analysis of the data, which forced the bots to intervene with their anti-Esper protocols.  :-\

Morally Baha is very grey but his end-game goals feel honorable. Or at least they sort of are. I find him to be a bit hard to connect with because his mind feels chaotic despite being lawful. Though that's not a negative thing. Just a reason why I'm not letting Mao understand him so easily since she thinks in lines and Baha thinks and expresses himself in curves.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on January 09, 2018, 12:30:04 AM
And my opinion is "avoiding broad Divination is a good thing". Unless you're setting out to write some time travel thing, it's a disjointed headache. xD
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Post by: ketaro on January 09, 2018, 02:13:08 AM
Speaking of the whole age thing in the party, Katherine's age is maybe alot more subtly vague as her lifespan is increased tenfold by being pledged to an Ancient Temple master/Eternal Royal.  :rolleyes

*coughspacepopecough*
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Post by: oslecamo on January 09, 2018, 02:52:51 AM
Speaking of the whole age thing in the party, Katherine's age is maybe alot more subtly vague as her lifespan is increased tenfold by being pledged to an Ancient Temple master/Eternal Royal.  :rolleyes

*coughspacepopecough*

Hmmm,  space pope is Eternal Royal with Ancient Temple, I like that.

I still can't even answer the question if she is supposed to be a Wizard, Psion, or w/e.
Good, then I'm doing my job right. :smirk

It's just like those files in the tea party, issued and got an acknowledgement about a follower translating more of it since we know using a Divination Spell would never fly and we never got anything from it. I have no idea why Ols would complain Baha is a meaningless support character, it's exactly what he has forced it to be.
C'mon, even divination spells usually take 10 minutes to cast, did you expect something instant? :P
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Post by: ketaro on January 09, 2018, 05:19:34 AM
True. Decrypting data from the future probably takes at least 11 minutes  :D
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Post by: Raineh Daze on January 09, 2018, 05:22:41 AM
Speaking of the whole age thing in the party, Katherine's age is maybe alot more subtly vague as her lifespan is increased tenfold by being pledged to an Ancient Temple master/Eternal Royal.  :rolleyes

*coughspacepopecough*

This just makes the teacher/pupil thing weirder. :lmao
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Post by: ketaro on January 09, 2018, 07:17:37 AM
How so? Ammy was just her first  :flirt
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Post by: Kuroimaken on January 09, 2018, 08:36:57 AM
@Curtis
-Would Stephanie have any academics-related title? For the accomplishment of something equivalent to a Masters or Doctorate degree?
-Any previous work with the Parum Administration? If so, how'd it go? And depending on how long she's been there, Mao and Steph may already know each other.
-Which fields are she studying/specializing in? Or is she a scientist in "science in general"? I'd imagine that her PrC hints of a field in the sciences of magic/entropy.
-Who are her worshipers?
-Is Team Silver an organisation in Parum or some kind of space private military contractor or other?

Sorry,  I've forgotten to put relevant info. 

-She'd have a doctorate.
-No previous work with Parum
-Her specializations are the GN particles (she discovered them on accident), magic/tech fusion, with a bit of other things. She's also a decent mecha engineer.
-Her worshipers are a planet she saved. The problem may have or may have not been partially her fault... But it was definitely because she was in the middle of a chase.
-Space private organization.

Pretty much the instant she looks at Hugo's mech she's going to know some of his backstory, then (bolded for emphasis).
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on January 09, 2018, 02:45:02 PM
@Curtis
-Would Stephanie have any academics-related title? For the accomplishment of something equivalent to a Masters or Doctorate degree?
-Any previous work with the Parum Administration? If so, how'd it go? And depending on how long she's been there, Mao and Steph may already know each other.
-Which fields are she studying/specializing in? Or is she a scientist in "science in general"? I'd imagine that her PrC hints of a field in the sciences of magic/entropy.
-Who are her worshipers?
-Is Team Silver an organisation in Parum or some kind of space private military contractor or other?

Sorry,  I've forgotten to put relevant info. 

-She'd have a doctorate.
-No previous work with Parum
-Her specializations are the GN particles (she discovered them on accident), magic/tech fusion, with a bit of other things. She's also a decent mecha engineer.
-Her worshipers are a planet she saved. The problem may have or may have not been partially her fault... But it was definitely because she was in the middle of a chase.
-Space private organization.

Pretty much the instant she looks at Hugo's mech she's going to know some of his backstory, then (bolded for emphasis).

Thanks for pointing that out, I'll use that information. As far as age, she's whatever would be considered a young woman for a human. She's basically a divine human super soldier project.
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Post by: ketaro on January 09, 2018, 03:29:36 PM
Gosh I actually broke out in laughter at Hugo saying that with such a straight face.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on January 09, 2018, 05:06:25 PM
(https://imgur.com/eASVeUu.png)
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Post by: Kuroimaken on January 10, 2018, 08:12:36 AM
Gosh I actually broke out in laughter at Hugo saying that with such a straight face.
That was the setup. The punchline is that he carries that thing around with him.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on January 10, 2018, 08:54:53 AM
Hey Os, can Kath use mounted combat feats with Murasaki?
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Post by: oslecamo on January 10, 2018, 09:59:46 AM
Hey Os, can Kath use mounted combat feats with Murasaki?
Besides actually needing to get her to play along, you need a size difference too for any combat effectiveness, so either make Murasaki larger or Katherine smaller.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on January 10, 2018, 12:18:08 PM
YOU HEAR THAT KATH, I GOT YOU YOUR OWN BATTLE MAID PONY
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Post by: Raineh Daze on January 11, 2018, 08:30:28 AM
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run-and-hit is mostly what was observed

Hey, I used spring attack where it was viable. Don't blame me when everyone has ranged attacks and I want to actually stay on the map. :P

Though maybe I should just go to "standing behind distant walls" more often.
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on January 11, 2018, 12:29:25 PM
Welp, good think I looked around. Mao's ability blocks the use of Wraithstrike... Unless it's exempt because it's an SLA?
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Post by: ketaro on January 11, 2018, 01:39:26 PM
Mao is so good at describing us.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on January 11, 2018, 01:40:54 PM
I like that she failed to note Amaterasu's most notable feature. :lmao

Here's hoping the new girl is aware of her height.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on January 11, 2018, 02:36:52 PM
I like that she failed to note Amaterasu's most notable feature. :lmao

Here's hoping the new girl is aware of her height.
I like that she could not hope to summarize Hugo's quirkiness and also delicately sidestepped the landmine of his obsession with the female form.  :P
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Post by: Raineh Daze on January 11, 2018, 04:04:17 PM
Somehow, somehow, that's been less evident around Mao.
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Post by: Anomander on January 11, 2018, 05:37:06 PM
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Hey, I used spring attack where it was viable. Don't blame me when everyone has ranged attacks and I want to actually stay on the map. :P
That wasn't meant as a negative comment. Just an observation. Ama's style is mostly to run in and try to rek people and stay close enough to keep rekking than keeping distance to wear enemies down... so more of a Run into your face and Hit it kind of tactic.

There was a lot to write and not much time to do it so it was kind of done in a hurry. I'll have to read it over and correct weird grammar later.
I can add in that Amaterasu is absolutely huge but I don't think it is really worth noting since it is something that will be hard to escape her notice. Let's say that in the projection display there is a 'comparative scale picture for Amaterasu'.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on January 11, 2018, 05:48:13 PM
Can't blame the person with fast healing for not considering a battle of attrition. xD

7' or 70', she's tall regardless. :D
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on January 13, 2018, 04:44:03 PM
Sorry, I'll get that response up tomorrow.
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on January 21, 2018, 02:37:47 PM
Triple sorry, got busy. If it's not up today, I'll have it in the morning.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on January 22, 2018, 06:37:08 AM
This is not the hastiest place.
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Post by: oslecamo on January 22, 2018, 07:31:17 AM
The IC has 48 pages and started in 2013. That's surprisingly close to 1 page per month. Now get working in finishing another for January  2018! :shakefist
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Post by: SorO_Lost on January 22, 2018, 04:22:09 PM
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Post by: Kuroimaken on January 23, 2018, 01:21:16 PM
Did Hugo just succeed in getting Kath a new mount?  :o
AND BETTER THAN THOSE STUPID PALADIN MOUNTS TOO
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on January 24, 2018, 05:25:20 PM
Ugh sorry this multi spoiler quoting thing is new for me. I'll edit it better later lol.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on January 24, 2018, 06:03:50 PM
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on January 25, 2018, 05:11:12 PM
Spaceflix, eh?
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Post by: SorO_Lost on January 25, 2018, 05:51:35 PM
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Post by: oslecamo on January 26, 2018, 05:22:16 AM
Note for new and old players:

How much would I have to pay for a communication app to speak with everyone and everything that can send/receive data via radio/satellite/other frequency, the equivalent of a personal computer to which I can connect with the Protectora XVI and the android organization database and maybe some form of internet when signal disturbances aren't being a problem.
If such a device existed, the Government and every other known faction would probably start wars for its control. If it fitted inside a mecha, it would be a massive bonus.

As it stands, communication between planets is a bitch, in particular between diferent systems. That's the reason why colony ships get lost and there's no such thing as a true interplanetary empire. There's no reliable way of trading data trough the great expanses of space. Information networks are usually limited to each planet or space station, sometimes shared among a system, never beyond that.

For 56 000 meseta, you can buy yourself a portable device able to send messages (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/sending.htm) every 10 minutes, but it can still randomly jam when trying to communicate between planets, with chance of sucess quickly decreasing the farther away the sender and receiver's orders are in space.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on January 26, 2018, 10:48:13 AM
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on January 26, 2018, 12:32:15 PM
Ugh sorry this multi spoiler quoting thing is new for me. I'll edit it better later lol.
You should put your character's name first in the spoiler tag too.  ;)

Damn, I feel slow for just getting that.
Note for new and old players:

How much would I have to pay for a communication app to speak with everyone and everything that can send/receive data via radio/satellite/other frequency, the equivalent of a personal computer to which I can connect with the Protectora XVI and the android organization database and maybe some form of internet when signal disturbances aren't being a problem.
If such a device existed, the Government and every other known faction would probably start wars for its control. If it fitted inside a mecha, it would be a massive bonus.

As it stands, communication between planets is a bitch, in particular between diferent systems. That's the reason why colony ships get lost and there's no such thing as a true interplanetary empire. There's no reliable way of trading data trough the great expanses of space. Information networks are usually limited to each planet or space station, sometimes shared among a system, never beyond that.

For 56 000 meseta, you can buy yourself a portable device able to send messages (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/sending.htm) every 10 minutes, but it can still randomly jam when trying to communicate between planets, with chance of sucess quickly decreasing the farther away the sender and receiver's orders are in space.

Guess I'll buy one.
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Post by: ketaro on January 26, 2018, 12:58:41 PM
I do think most of us bought one of those, I'm just not remembering the 10 min cooldown lol

So the internet doesn't exist?
No cellphones with data plans?
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Post by: oslecamo on January 26, 2018, 01:04:00 PM
So the internet doesn't exist?
Each planet has their own internet, often shared with moons, more advanced civilizations can get a planetary system connected, anything beyond that the best you get is outside travelers uploading fresh stuff from somewhere else.

No cellphones with data plans?
The question you want to ask is if you really want to manage data plans.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on January 26, 2018, 01:49:01 PM
And most of the time we might really really urgently need a phone, we'd be down on a planet with no infrastructure! :D
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on January 26, 2018, 02:01:39 PM
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Post by: ketaro on January 26, 2018, 02:18:29 PM
I mean Kat doesn't have much to spend money on anyways -_-'
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Post by: SorO_Lost on January 26, 2018, 02:28:03 PM
(https://imgur.com/eASVeUu.png)
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Post by: Kuroimaken on January 26, 2018, 03:45:19 PM
Generally speaking matter is supposed to be harder to wormhole through unaltered than wavelength emissions such as light and electricity, though arguably those are more prone to disruption by cosmic radiation.

...I think it was Schlock Mercenary that made a case for why it was supposed to be easier to intercept a spacebound teleporting missile than it was to receive an "INCOMING!" warning signal. If I remember correctly, it had to do with how you need to tear the information into millions of little pieces, reassemble and then descramble it upon receiving said information. (By comparison, if the missile is not teleported with all pieces in the right place, it explodes anyway.)
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Post by: Anomander on January 26, 2018, 04:00:11 PM
Careful with the real science stuff. :P
I do recall there was the cheaper phone options that work well within the local networks. 50 meseta, which is what most of us had acquired early on.
As for my Parum communication thing, I was referring to my Bassknot staff member going to Parum. I recall the trip was to be a few hours long.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on January 26, 2018, 04:35:14 PM
That's not really a new idea through. It's actually used as an excuse why you can only send certain things through, like solids instead of biological materials. But in this case, all we need to do is send a proton at a certain speed and the campaign already offers ways to do that on top of the inherited tricks present within the core rules.

One great example would be a Crystal Ball, so for under 80k you can create a six inch circle to transmit light back and forth. It's just enough to squeeze almost twelve thousand jacketed fibers together, enough that at the current top rate of one petabyte per second you can transmit Earth's entire Internet in a second or two. Claiming it only works 0.05% of the time, and for only thirty minutes a day, still let's entire planets to sync up on a daily basis without even having to filter out useless junk.

If you're with a DM that just tiresomely bludgeons magic with banhammer pulled from a shitty place you can simply use something like the Mary Sue Androids. Just tape a bunch of their database computers together on a couple ships and let them shuttle it back and forth and you could still sync planets. You don't need to contact Prime 17's Amazon17 if you can search a copy of Amazon17's database locally and your order gets posted next sync.

Careful with the real science stuff. :P
Well catgirls die when we talk about real stuff so this is our chance to kill them before the mission.  :D

Plus D&D in space, and other fictional implications, is always a fascinating nerd thing to discuss. Why do you think people have been doing it for decades?

Edit - Osl decided to leave this one post and wipe the rest to reconstruct the narrative based on how he says went down. The problem with that is, as you can see, I'll gladly highlight it in red. This is because I don't need secrecy to fool you into something and I rather thank him for leaving this post and the actual moderators for seeing through it. Thanks to it I received a PM of the content he tried to wipe from the actual moderators (without the bbcode) and apparently he has been warned to never edit anyone's post ever again.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on January 26, 2018, 06:43:34 PM
When you say D&D in space, it reminds me of He-man.

Or Elex, a game I've been getting into lately. Basically, modern world civilization was wrecked by a comet impact. Comet impact brought a new mineral that lets people do AMAZING THINGS. Three factions arise.

One faction uses it to recreate technology. They have mechs and lasers. They're also religious and sometimes literally brainwash people into joining them via Psionics.

One faction is its own Mad Max microcosm where people basically SMOKE those fantastic rocks. Oh, and the big guy behind this faction is rebuilding a nuke because why not, apparently.

And the third faction (the one you start closest to) is basically medieval science fiction Amish hippies, whom use mutated trees to "purify" the flow of energy from the space rock to bring back nature and literally throw everything technological they find in a huge scrap pile.

We now return to our regularly scheduled conversation.

Incidentally, we didn't kill any catgirls because I was talking about science fiction science, not hard science. I'm nowhere near nerdy enough to talk about real science.
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Post by: oslecamo on January 26, 2018, 08:16:23 PM
One great example would be a Crystal Ball, you can see magical sensors with See Invisibility so for under 40k you can create a six inch circle to transmit light back and forth. It's just enough to squeeze almost twelve thousand jacketed fibers together, enough that at the current top rate of one petabyte per second you can transmit Earth's entire Internet in a second or two. Claiming it only works 0.05% of the time, and for only thirty minutes a day, still let's entire planets to sync up on a daily basis without even having to filter out useless junk.

Careful with the real science stuff. :P
Well catgirls die when we talk about real stuff so this is our chance to kill them before the mission.  :D

You aknowledged that you were warned, and yet you insisted in keeping up with your bullshit on how crystal balls should be weapons of mass destruction that fit inside anybody's pocket as lasers happen to be light too. Don't come back crying now.

In related news, if anyone wants to update their character sheets let me know and I'll edit them.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on January 26, 2018, 09:16:01 PM
What? Did we just lose editing permissions in the char sheet thread?

Oh well, I only keep quick reference notes for combat there. They only update on level up.

OMG I just got why Mao is Mao to us instead of Min Yung. That Many As One title at the top of their character sheet  :lmao

I do recall there was the cheaper phone options that work well within the local networks. 50 meseta, which is what most of us had acquired early on.

Ah!! You're right, that was the one! Those local network "phones" are still an allowed thing, yeah?
Either way, I've never sent more than 1 message to some one at a time within a short time frame barring talking to Maia which doesn't count because I was usually just yelling at security cameras and fully expecting her to be watching me regardless  :rolleyes

@Oslecamo: You were against two or more different items being combined into a single item, even if bought not crafted (altho crafted is moot cause no custom items allowed~), right? Is it possible to buy a standard item but that fills a different slot than it usually does? Least as long as it still kinda fits with the slot affinity?
Cause I remembered I was kinda slightly interested in throwing my last 20k at a Belt of Lions (http://www.imarvintpa.com/dndlive/items.php?ID=4003), but as Boots instead. Considering most of its abilities, shoes of thems seem as good if not better a fit for such an item than a belt does -_-'.........
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on January 27, 2018, 05:12:05 AM
Boots of Lions ok.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on January 27, 2018, 09:13:57 AM
Speaking of, I probably need to correct Murakumo given my shift in levels...

Also, which skill would one use for psychological torture? I'm pretty sure Hugo should have max ranks in that.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on January 27, 2018, 09:19:43 AM
Intimidate.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on January 27, 2018, 11:39:35 AM
Did we ever rule out magic items that add to skills, or was that just the spells?
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Post by: oslecamo on January 28, 2018, 12:11:03 AM
I don't really recall either. As long as it's not something too cheesy it should be ok.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on January 28, 2018, 08:22:45 AM
Nah, I'm just thinking this is something Hugo should be competent at, if not mildly infamous for.
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Post by: oslecamo on January 29, 2018, 07:03:41 AM
So if nobody else says nothing in the contrary, I'll be skipping to the next relative morning and assume you're all flying together to Ragol.

It's been only what, over 3 real-life years since the last time you set foot there? :P
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Post by: Raineh Daze on January 29, 2018, 07:55:24 AM
Question: will that armour I ordered have been made by then? It is a big order... well, literally so. XD
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Post by: oslecamo on January 29, 2018, 08:10:08 AM
Yes, including any custom color/insignias you would like.
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Post by: ketaro on January 29, 2018, 09:26:50 AM
Kat should be good, too. Just putting on some new shoes~
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Post by: Kuroimaken on January 29, 2018, 09:32:50 AM
Can't really think of anything new for Hugo to do. I suck at managing equipment for my characters...

EDIT: If Mao has a toy line, does that mean Hugo has a doujin series?  :P
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Post by: Raineh Daze on January 29, 2018, 09:46:43 AM
Huzzah, iridescent armour! Though to be fair with metal that's probably one of the more sane options.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on January 29, 2018, 10:16:19 AM
EDIT: If Mao has a toy line, does that mean Hugo has a doujin series?  :P

Isn't your character supposed to keep his profile underground?
Fine Hugo gets doujins at the underground circles. :p
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Post by: SorO_Lost on January 29, 2018, 10:38:10 AM
(https://imgur.com/eASVeUu.png)
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Post by: Kuroimaken on January 29, 2018, 05:37:15 PM
EDIT: If Mao has a toy line, does that mean Hugo has a doujin series?  :P

Isn't your character supposed to keep his profile underground?
Fine Hugo gets doujins at the underground circles. :p
He's Nei's ex, remember? Dude is probably a low-level celebrity of some sort.

EDIT: If Mao has a toy line, does that mean Hugo has a doujin series?  :P
About what?  :smirk

I'll give you two guesses.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on January 29, 2018, 07:29:23 PM
(https://imgur.com/eASVeUu.png)
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Post by: oslecamo on February 05, 2018, 01:16:05 AM
Also this would be the time for any last-minute buffs and buys.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on February 05, 2018, 08:37:39 AM
Also this would be the time for any last-minute buffs and buys.

*readies assortment of cookies*

I REALLY need a bunch of different configurations for this...
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on February 05, 2018, 09:02:51 AM
Let us behold my total lack of spotting ANYTHING again.

Surprisingly decent rolls for someone with a -5 penalty to noticing things.

I can see in the dark a bit. :lmao
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on February 05, 2018, 02:37:58 PM
Let us behold my total lack of spotting ANYTHING again.
The probably mechs have a larger penalty to Hide than you have to Spot through, so that's something.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on February 05, 2018, 04:41:48 PM
I'll get a post up tomorrow, and along with a PM of the relevant updates to my character sheet.
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Post by: oslecamo on February 05, 2018, 06:56:38 PM
Ah yes, specifiy whetever you're going to the central dome ruins with Mao or going after the coordinates given by the einst queen that lead you to the tropical beach.

Also this would be the time for any last-minute buffs and buys.

*readies assortment of cookies*

I REALLY need a bunch of different configurations for this...

I would really prefer if you clarified those configurations ahead of time. :p
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Post by: Raineh Daze on February 06, 2018, 05:12:55 AM
Given my spot modifier, I'm going to assume that Katherine and Hugo are interested in the beach and stick with them. I feel I'd get lost. :P
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on February 06, 2018, 05:28:36 AM
That is a fair point. Where exactly are we going right now? We as in Kat, Hugo, Ammy. Are we meeting up with Mao like we're suppose to today or hitting up this beachside property we were lead to by the queen bee? Is Purple joining us in either or both destinations?
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Post by: SorO_Lost on February 06, 2018, 10:53:42 AM
Are we meeting up with Mao like we're suppose to today or hitting up this beachside property we were lead to by the queen bee?
I believe that is the point.

I'm for the queen bee's side. Resolving the truth of the matter and deciding from there is better than blindly following the rabbit hole to eventual war and death.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on February 07, 2018, 05:55:25 AM
Ah yes, specifiy whetever you're going to the central dome ruins with Mao or going after the coordinates given by the einst queen that lead you to the tropical beach.

Also this would be the time for any last-minute buffs and buys.

*readies assortment of cookies*

I REALLY need a bunch of different configurations for this...

I would really prefer if you clarified those configurations ahead of time. :p

I would be happy to, if I only knew what to stick in them.

There are WAAAAAAAAAY too many spells to pick from.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on February 07, 2018, 05:56:43 AM
Are we meeting up with Mao like we're suppose to today or hitting up this beachside property we were lead to by the queen bee?
I believe that is the point.

I'm for the queen bee's side. Resolving the truth of the matter and deciding from there is better than blindly following the rabbit hole to eventual war and death.
Perhaps more to the point, we may not have the chance to hit the beachside property if we go with Mao first.

We can always claim we're doing independent area recon first and meet up later.
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Post by: Anomander on February 07, 2018, 05:22:59 PM
Will she receive any confirmation on the morning expedition? Determines if they may need to look into hiring others for the Ragol expedition and if Mao will have to investigate on the groups' whereabouts if they don't/can't show up then. Though Maia likely keeps tracks of the group's comings and goings anyway. Considering the confidential information already shared with them and the importance of the mission.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on February 07, 2018, 05:53:02 PM
With what infrastructure? Place is a mess... xD
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Post by: Anomander on February 07, 2018, 07:48:01 PM
The one within the ship that monitors the inside of the ship itself? The Gather Information skill?
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Post by: Raineh Daze on February 08, 2018, 06:10:09 AM
I was thinking more "Ragol is a messy place".
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Post by: oslecamo on February 08, 2018, 03:42:48 PM
Ah yes, specifiy whetever you're going to the central dome ruins with Mao or going after the coordinates given by the einst queen that lead you to the tropical beach.

Also this would be the time for any last-minute buffs and buys.

*readies assortment of cookies*

I REALLY need a bunch of different configurations for this...

I would really prefer if you clarified those configurations ahead of time. :p

I would be happy to, if I only knew what to stick in them.

There are WAAAAAAAAAY too many spells to pick from.

Then perhaps retouch your character to something easier for you to play?   (https://fi.somethingawful.com/safs/smilies/8/c/livintrope.001.gif)
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Post by: oslecamo on February 08, 2018, 03:44:17 PM
Will she receive any confirmation on the morning expedition? Determines if they may need to look into hiring others for the Ragol expedition and if Mao will have to investigate on the groups' whereabouts if they don't/can't show up then. Though Maia likely keeps tracks of the group's comings and goings anyway. Considering the confidential information already shared with them and the importance of the mission.
Depends on who actually goes to the beach and if they're taking any stealth measures.

Ah yes, specifiy whetever you're going to the central dome ruins with Mao or going after the coordinates given by the einst queen that lead you to the tropical beach.

Also this would be the time for any last-minute buffs and buys.

*readies assortment of cookies*

I REALLY need a bunch of different configurations for this...

I would really prefer if you clarified those configurations ahead of time. :p

I would be happy to, if I only knew what to stick in them.

There are WAAAAAAAAAY too many spells to pick from.

Then perhaps retouch your character to something easier for you to play?   (https://fi.somethingawful.com/safs/smilies/8/c/livintrope.001.gif)
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Post by: Kuroimaken on February 10, 2018, 08:30:14 AM
It doesn't get much easier than this, actually. The problem is I haven't played 3.5 in a while and I'm reaaaaaaaaally rusty.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on February 10, 2018, 10:23:44 AM
Well, what spells would you like?
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Post by: Kuroimaken on February 12, 2018, 01:16:26 PM
Mostly stuff that lets me survive if people stop attacking the nuclear fortress woman and her pet chainsaw girl.
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on February 14, 2018, 02:42:45 PM
Okay, updated. So which way am i going?
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Post by: oslecamo on February 14, 2018, 05:18:11 PM
Okay, updated. So which way am i going?

With Mao since your character hasn't met the rest of the party yet.
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on February 15, 2018, 06:56:32 AM
Oh, I assumed I would meet them in the morning.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on February 15, 2018, 09:59:14 AM
I believe that if anything they're just messaging each other about their plans and no full party physical meeting was agreed yet. I guess Mao could invite you to a group chat or something.
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Post by: Anomander on February 15, 2018, 05:01:16 PM
For sure. If there is one and they aren't all just disappearing without a note.
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Post by: oslecamo on February 15, 2018, 05:18:45 PM
We're now discussing online how we would hold a discussion online, this is some whole new level of meta.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on February 15, 2018, 05:19:47 PM
Wait until we start discussing what online is in this context for blown minds galore.
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Post by: Anomander on March 01, 2018, 07:31:25 PM
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Eden also manages to smoothly snatch a copy of the decrypted and translated files about Ragol.
Which file is this referring to? Would also be curious as to how it was acquired.

Since you specify that hood lady is bright red and nei-looking nuwearl has no color, does that mean everything else is bright blue?

Also, is the monolith meant to be returned to Ragol after all or do they keep it up there?
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Post by: oslecamo on March 01, 2018, 08:02:08 PM
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Eden also manages to smoothly snatch a copy of the decrypted and translated files about Ragol.
Which file is this referring to? Would also be curious as to how it was acquired.
The files posted in the IC with ?Mao fighting Nei and Ragol's records. As for how they were acquired, Eden smoothly talked the rest of the party for it, since I believe that's how Gather Information works.

Since you specify that hood lady is bright red and nei-looking nuwearl has no color, does that mean everything else is bright blue?
Yes.

Also, is the monolith meant to be returned to Ragol after all or do they keep it up there?
Planned to be returned but still up there due to delays and paperphotonwork and whatnot.
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Post by: ketaro on March 01, 2018, 09:28:47 PM
For real, considering Hugo was basically leading the other side of the party, is he dragging the not-Mao team over to the other locale or are we going to join Mao as planned?
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Post by: Raineh Daze on March 01, 2018, 09:43:23 PM
I was expecting to go sightseeing first and then catch back up quickly.
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Post by: Anomander on March 02, 2018, 12:01:14 AM
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The files posted in the IC with ?Mao fighting Nei and Ragol's records. As for how they were acquired, Eden smoothly talked the rest of the party for it, since I believe that's how Gather Information works.
It is part of how Gather Info works. Could involve asking people that work for you or associated departments. Could involve Internet searches and many other similar venues.
Though after seeing a file like that there'd be a pretty important (or not?) discussion considering what's in there. Including how we even got a hold of the stuff. Assuming it is genuine, the thing could also have been tempered with to add/substract a few key points to have the viewer assume them to be true by association (eg: since A and B are true, the log's C point must be true as well).
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Post by: oslecamo on March 02, 2018, 01:06:49 AM
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The files posted in the IC with ?Mao fighting Nei and Ragol's records. As for how they were acquired, Eden smoothly talked the rest of the party for it, since I believe that's how Gather Information works.
It is part of how Gather Info works. Could involve asking people that work for you or associated departments. Could involve Internet searches and many other similar venues.
Though after seeing a file like that there'd be a pretty important (or not?) discussion considering what's in there. Including how we even got a hold of the stuff. Assuming it is genuine, the thing could also have been tempered with to add/substract a few key points to have the viewer assume them to be true by association (eg: since A and B are true, the log's C point must be true as well).

Discussion about the pack of lies to manipulate the party intel recovered can wait or be made retro-active in flashback format.
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Post by: Anomander on March 05, 2018, 10:59:36 AM
While giving some more time to Curtis to chime in, any readings on those Scan spirit uses on those fighting?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on March 05, 2018, 05:54:02 PM
Ah, my bad, missed the scanning bit in the middle of the text.

However you can only use each spirit once per turn and that's all you have time for now. Who do you scan?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on March 05, 2018, 06:24:02 PM
I meant that since it works for anything in sight, I'd use it progressively as they approach them, not once contact is made. So as to have more time to go around.
In order it would have been Arodatam (since she was in the weird video), then Queen, then Nei, then Rica.
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Post by: oslecamo on March 11, 2018, 05:15:44 AM
I would've said that using Scan once would've started attracting unwanted attention towards you since it is a debuff, however since you're the only player not paralyzed by indecision I'll reward you with all 4 scans.

Speaking of which anybody else around here?
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Post by: SorO_Lost on March 11, 2018, 06:30:02 AM
Of course, but you're launching a Andomander/Yuwea spin off and haven't fixed my sheet yet.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on March 11, 2018, 01:45:47 PM
Weren't we off to somewhere else entirely?
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Post by: Anomander on March 11, 2018, 02:51:29 PM
I think it's just Ketaro's spot/listen checks that are missing for Group A to carry on. Can probably do so without them.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on March 11, 2018, 06:26:43 PM
I mean, failing spot checks aside, it's not like I can contribute to whatever those two are doing elsewhere. :p
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Post by: Anomander on March 11, 2018, 07:18:59 PM
Hard to tell just yet since your stuff is happening earlier and we do not know how long it'll take. But for convenience's sake it may as well be happening more or less at the same time. If Mao is aware everyone ain't coming she'd have no reason to wait so long before leaving since the idea was to give the team spellcasters time to get their magic back. She could have contacted Stephanie for an earlier departure although leaving with such a small group for what would be considered such an important mission is something else.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on March 11, 2018, 10:35:00 PM
Ah yes, Hugo and Amaterasu already rolled spot checks, but then there was Mao deciding to go somewhere else while wanting to pre-check in the rest of the party and none of them replied to that so I forgot said rolls were already made. :psyduck

Well I'll advance the beach scene then later today and any different time-zone issues will be waved away due to Ragol's local time-space distortions.
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Post by: ketaro on March 11, 2018, 10:39:05 PM
I've literally not gotten or seen any word about where exactly we were going right now despite asking twice already. Because I did not know whether our side group was going off galavanting on our own the next day or meeting up with Mao like we were suppose/expected too.
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Post by: oslecamo on March 11, 2018, 11:07:59 PM
It's up to Katherine to decide which group she goes with. Hugo and Amaterasu are going to the beach, Mao and Stephanie to the dome ruins. You can now choose which one to tag along with.
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Post by: Anomander on March 11, 2018, 11:11:07 PM
If Katherine comes with Mao, I'll update my post to fit her in. She'd feel obliged to inform her that this Arodatam (matadora? Means she's a killer.) person is wielding a future version of her Ancient Temple weapons.

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I've literally not gotten or seen any word about where exactly we were going right now despite asking twice already. Because I did not know whether our side group was going off galavanting on our own the next day or meeting up with Mao like we were suppose/expected too.
I somewhat recall that Hugo was off to fulfill a contract from an Einst Queen to investigate a cloning facility (I think?) whose coordinates are set at that beach. Something about that would supposedly help the Einst Queen get a stronger negotiation grip to acquire land on Ragol, plant herself there and start plotting stuff to extend her influence. Supposedly it would also do bad PR for the Parum Administration.
Reward for betraying their current employer would be land and riches and perhaps other stuff if they manage to do something about that place. Don't remember what.

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Post by: ketaro on March 11, 2018, 11:56:50 PM
Well yes that was the quest received but no one on that side ever brought up if that was where we were going the next morning or not because we already had a date with Mao
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Post by: Anomander on March 12, 2018, 12:33:33 AM
I thought you guys mostly agreed to take up the quest, hence purple-maid's presence, and should thus go to the given coordinates to do that quest. Which would be at the beach.
If any/all changed their minds because of the other quest offer from Mao on the next morning, if they thought they could perhaps hit 2 birds with 1 stone by somehow steering the exploration toward those coordinates or if they'd simply delay the exploration of the beach to a later time when it isn't as busy, that's another story.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on March 12, 2018, 12:37:58 AM
That's the thing. There has been zero confirmation about the matter, it's all just been multiple people making assumptions on the matter. Even Os asked like 2 pages ago in this OOC about the matter right after he posted the initial description of the beach scene which is when my attempts to get clarification on our actual destination started.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on March 12, 2018, 12:41:58 AM
By my powers as the DM I do declare that Hugo and Amaterasu are going for the beach since they already rolled the rolls for that while Mao's checking the central dome ruins. Only Katherine is left in an undefined state until either a roll or IC post from the player is made that will put them in either route.
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Post by: ketaro on March 12, 2018, 01:14:01 AM
Fine, whatever.
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Post by: oslecamo on March 14, 2018, 07:23:18 AM
Mao&Stephanie post coming later.
...
Which reminds me Aryk's coming along with them, right? Let's just say she was too busy gaping in awe of Queen Alis and Sword Nei together to speak anything so far.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on March 14, 2018, 02:59:41 PM
Sorry I was trying to get things finished before posting. Though I was wondering what was happening with the rest of the group.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on March 14, 2018, 04:47:55 PM
We are currently at a beach party that's disappointingly short on bikinis.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on March 14, 2018, 05:37:51 PM
There's no AC bonus from a bikini.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on March 14, 2018, 06:42:21 PM
So if bikinis had AC bonuses, then Amaterasu would wear one?  :p
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Post by: Raineh Daze on March 14, 2018, 08:01:42 PM
She's got the body for one.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on March 14, 2018, 08:29:37 PM
We are currently at a beach party that's disappointingly short on bikinis.

You don't meet the prerequisites for finding the Phantasy Star bikini beach party yet.
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Post by: ketaro on March 15, 2018, 12:53:21 AM
Can Bikinis be enchanted as armor though? Since they take up the armor slot?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on March 15, 2018, 07:02:55 AM
If it makes you happy.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on March 22, 2018, 12:00:46 AM
I miss the chaotic spurts.

I suppose I can go read the rest of the spoiled tabs tomorrow and find out hat's going on.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on March 22, 2018, 10:44:13 AM
Can Bikinis be enchanted as armor though? Since they take up the armor slot?
Doooooo eeeeeeeeeeet
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on March 26, 2018, 11:36:59 PM
Did we have any update on the analysis of the thing that was found in the debris of the stealth ship?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on March 27, 2018, 01:37:27 AM
You got basic readings that will allow you to know if you find something similar.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on April 05, 2018, 12:30:28 AM
Do we know since when we lost contact with the colonists on Ragol?
Wondering how long possible survivors have been getting by on the planet and just how long those rescued colonists Rica states to currently be housed underground have been MIA.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on April 05, 2018, 06:18:58 AM
Skipping the relativistic details, between 48 and 72 hours right before the campaign IC started.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on April 07, 2018, 11:17:06 AM
You’re not very sure when or how Aryk got on top of Baha’s mecha. Or why her eyes are glowing a dangerous red.
Yeahee I have my own shoulder loli ^_^
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on April 08, 2018, 02:15:13 PM
Damn, I want one too!
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on April 13, 2018, 04:40:02 PM
On a more serious note, what exactly is Mao doing?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on April 13, 2018, 06:04:59 PM
Warning Stephanie and friends about the incoming threat, and attacking the creatures. The actual actions of the turn depend on positioning. So you guys could get some attacks in too before they attack us.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on April 13, 2018, 06:09:09 PM
It was mostly the none specified attacks that throw me off.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on April 13, 2018, 06:52:41 PM
Mao's surprise rounds have a habit of existing in some quasi state of reality, usually.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on April 13, 2018, 09:07:24 PM
Warning Stephanie and friends about the incoming threat, and attacking the creatures. The actual actions of the turn depend on positioning. So you guys could get some attacks in too before they attack us.
The awake spirited bio-monsters are roughly at 30 feet, 60 feet and 120 feet away from you, the non-spirited awake bio-monsters around the non-spiritd ones in triangles with 120 feet side patterns. All in between plenty of "sleeping" bio-creature capsules with some 30-feet corridors between them.

Initiative 38 (Might as well figure if we should work on two rounds worth of actions or one)
I'm afraid not since the surprise round is yours only, the other side doesn't roll initiative until you've made your first move (plus a surprise round is just a standard+free stuff).

Unsure if knowledge checks on those creatures would reveal what to expect as far as how they fight and such.
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Post by: Anomander on April 14, 2018, 02:03:06 AM
Thanks! Will edit after sleeping some.

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I'm afraid not since the surprise round is yours only, the other side doesn't roll initiative until you've made your first move (plus a surprise round is just a standard+free stuff).
I mean, might as well roll initiative now so that we can know if I have to wait for the monsters' turn or post actions for the first round along with the surprise round.
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Post by: oslecamo on April 14, 2018, 02:18:25 AM
You'll have to wait for your disguised traitors clone sleeper agents dark force vessels allied NPC surprise round actions anyway. :P
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on April 17, 2018, 05:36:39 PM
I've a good idea of what I plan to do but I'd like to confirm; Are abilities/feats that give extra actions applying to a surprise round as well?
Such a the Swift/Immediate action granted by Counter or the Boss' Try to keep up with me? Same with similar abilities that give extra actions per round.
Asking because as written it seems like those work with surprise rounds as well but that may not be intended.

Thinking as well that it may well be that if someone was to use a free action to use the Zeal spirit during a surprise round, the extra turn's worth of actions is likewise limited to what is normal for a surprise round.
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Post by: oslecamo on April 18, 2018, 06:37:06 AM
I'm going to say no to extra actions of any kind during a surprise round. The game's already rocket tag enough as it is.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on April 18, 2018, 11:16:02 PM
Agreed. Updated my post to include combat actions. Not use exactly how that feat's space compression ability works, harder to be as precise as I'd wish to be without a map, though I think it could be fairly simple to line up those two points to squeeze two spirited biocreatures within her reach.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on April 19, 2018, 01:26:07 AM
Two questions:

Are the pirates leaving nonchalantly or hastily? And are they actually moving to leave? Because their retreat is my initiate signal.

Did Baha just initiate combat?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on April 19, 2018, 01:52:56 AM
Agreed. Updated my post to include combat actions. Not use exactly how that feat's space compression ability works, harder to be as precise as I'd wish to be without a map, though I think it could be fairly simple to line up those two points to squeeze two spirited biocreatures within her reach.
Yes, it will work to line them up.

Which reminds me, where is Eden supposed to be positioned relatively to Mao? Because I believe they must be out to use their own abilities.

Two questions:

Are the pirates leaving nonchalantly or hastily? And are they actually moving to leave? Because their retreat is my initiate signal.

Did Baha just initiate combat?
-Nonchalantly moving to leave until Hugo speaks, but his romantic declaration makes Nei pause (her reply to come later when I have time).
-Baha just buffing and even taking care to be discrete so not actually initiating combat.

 
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Post by: ketaro on April 19, 2018, 04:07:05 AM
Welp, whats the distance then? From our group to beach group. And if separate, how far to pirate group?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on April 19, 2018, 07:16:26 AM
Mao is typically at the front. Eden is more of an observer so she stays more in the back, waiting for assignments or for the group to move on. She is in a tiny-sized mecha (huge).
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on April 19, 2018, 08:43:38 AM
Welp, whats the distance then? From our group to beach group. And if separate, how far to pirate group?
Your party half is roughly  100 mu away from the locals and 150 mu away from Nei's pirates right now.

Mao is typically at the front. Eden is more of an observer so she stays more in the back, waiting for assignments or for the group to move on. She is in a tiny-sized mecha (huge).

Give me a specific distance please.  :p
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Post by: Anomander on April 19, 2018, 05:14:32 PM
Hard to say without knowing the specifics of the room itself. Ideally she'd be far enough to have Mao within the edge of her Aid Another aura, which is 120-mu. In a smaller room it'd be whatever is just close enough to do her tasks without getting in Mao's way.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on April 21, 2018, 03:25:01 AM
Geesus, I just looked at the rolling thread and wtf is Mao doing with +100s to hit so nonchalantly like that wtf  :???
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Post by: SorO_Lost on April 21, 2018, 10:25:39 AM
fyi, you have to be within 30mu when I complete the casting to get the buff.
I guess I should have said something. :(
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on April 21, 2018, 12:07:05 PM
Ketaro, do you have a standard action left? Otherwise going away from your teammates, isolating yourself, and ending your turn next to the enemies is pretty dangerous.
@Curtis: Just a reminder that Stephanie's next attack roll has a +6 bonus.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on April 21, 2018, 04:26:03 PM
Yes I have a standard left.

Yes it's dangerous.

Yes, I think leaving behind the party and isolating myself has happened emost fights so far lol. May not be smart, but I'm a survivor   :cool
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on April 21, 2018, 04:39:40 PM
Aye, I was just thinking that it worked out for you so far though hopefully others will join you into the fray soon.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on April 21, 2018, 04:49:38 PM
Even it's it's next turn and from what?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on April 21, 2018, 04:55:54 PM
Doesn't matter when.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on April 21, 2018, 06:19:43 PM
I mean, I'd rather have a runup to any enemies regardless.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on May 02, 2018, 06:46:49 AM
Hey Os, just to check, did you roll my 20% miss chances? *cough*

If you did already, honestly my mecha is only taking 149 damage after all that; albeit still destroying it. Of course that's only with using 2 of my 3 immediate actions so far  :p (Kat herself not even taking 40 damage)

If you didn't please do.

Either way, Kat is using "I Can See It" to force you to reroll a 50% miss chance on every hit  :whistle
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Post by: oslecamo on May 02, 2018, 07:31:23 AM
Ok, the probability gods smile on you and reduce that to only two normal hits and one crit.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on May 02, 2018, 11:10:30 AM
I can help her block another 140 points.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on May 02, 2018, 05:06:53 PM
Can that be used on something roughly 200mu away?

Anyways my mecha is taking less than 20 dmg, Kat herself only taking an estimated 22~ dmg
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on May 02, 2018, 05:18:20 PM
It's a shame we're fighting now, because I'm curious about the logic of not being able to run a foot race on a beach. It's just harder. :lmao
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on May 02, 2018, 05:35:27 PM
Before I look into the rest, the attack mode Mao used should be attacking everything simultaneously rather than one by one. Which could result in more disarm attempts but I'll roll for the 4 ones for now. Edit: Auto failure for the last knife, the disarm seems to happen after the attack is performed but not sure if it prevents it if successful.
For those attacking Mao, I'll note that Mao has the virue "The Bigger They Are", which means that attackers don't get a size bonus/penalty against her. If they are reduced to 1 I'll have to roll the Mercy effect.
She also has a 35% miss chance.
She scanned a spired-capable creature and I'd need the details to decide on the defence plan (and could have used the details before the attacks too). She can also move away from the attacks with an immediate action and the virtue prevents melee attacks if not adjacent.
Quote from: Lady's Maid
You can also Aid Another your mistress for a roll she failed in the previous round, and if you succeed this time, the effects change accordingly.
Also, I had planned to use the Lady's Maid ability to have Mao with that failed initiative roll. What would the effects changing accordingly be represented as? Just the initiative order changing?

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Aryk swings her staff and summons a Force Cage around another of the lesser bio-monsters.
Since space is currently compressed, she could probably cage a quite a few at once. Not sure about the CONGELAR.

Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on May 02, 2018, 06:17:35 PM
Can that be used on something roughly 200mu away?
I apparently didn't take the area version to do that anyway. Minor oversight.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on May 02, 2018, 08:01:17 PM
It's a shame we're fighting now, because I'm curious about the logic of not being able to run a foot race on a beach. It's just harder. :lmao
Well you may still be able to talk things out, those were just readied actions. Nei and her pirates haven't taken a shot either. Yet.

Before I look into the rest, the attack mode Mao used should be attacking everything simultaneously rather than one by one. Which could result in more disarm attempts but I'll roll for the 4 ones for now. Edit: Auto failure for the last knife, the disarm seems to happen after the attack is performed but not sure if it prevents it if successful.
To use the mecha area attack your targets must be smaller, but the spirited ones have pseudo powerful Build so even with The Bigger They Are they'll count as Mao's own size and thus the basic mecha area attack option becomes invalid.

For those attacking Mao, I'll note that Mao has the virue "The Bigger They Are", which means that attackers don't get a size bonus/penalty against her. If they are reduced to 1 I'll have to roll the Mercy effect.
She also has a 35% miss chance.
Miss chances being ignored too, sorry for forgetting to mention it but that was a pretty big post already.

She scanned a spired-capable creature and I'd need the details to decide on the defence plan (and could have used the details before the attacks too).

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She can also move away from the attacks with an immediate action and the virtue prevents melee attacks if not adjacent.
Go ahead, that'll result in one failed attack before the creatures close in and continue. In which direction would you like to move away in relation to the other party members?

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You can also Aid Another your mistress for a roll she failed in the previous round, and if you succeed this time, the effects change accordingly.
Also, I had planned to use the Lady's Maid ability to have Mao with that failed initiative roll. What would the effects changing accordingly be represented as? Just the initiative order changing?
Aid Another can only be used with attack/skill/spell rolls.

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Aryk swings her staff and summons a Force Cage around another of the lesser bio-monsters.
Since space is currently compressed, she could probably cage a quite a few at once. Not sure about the CONGELAR.
Well Aryk has no way to know the space is compressed. :p
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on May 02, 2018, 10:31:29 PM
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To use the mecha area attack your targets must be smaller, but the spirited ones have pseudo powerful Build so even with The Bigger They Are they'll count as Mao's own size and thus the basic mecha area attack option becomes invalid.
That's part of the enemy description that is hard to guess when choosing how we go about tactics. Thought perhaps being pseudo it doesn't actually show.

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Aid Another can only be used with attack/skill/spell rolls.
The Bright Teacher stance ability to grant pending Aid Anothers that last until used suggests that it can be used that way to buff other kinds of rolls such as the fort save. Perhaps an oversight.

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Well Aryk has no way to know the space is compressed. :p
The description of the feat suggests the distance visibly looks altered.

Which attacks come from who and are any multiple sets of attacks done as part of a maneuver/X-linked weapons?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on May 03, 2018, 02:50:25 AM
That moment my turns feel like they take as much effort as Anomander probably uses to do his turns  :psyduck

I have a Zeal turn of actions on hold at the moment just because I want to be 100% sure there are survivors before I move on. >>
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on May 03, 2018, 03:28:58 AM
That moment my turns feel like they take as much effort as Anomander probably uses to do his turns  :psyduck

I have a Zeal turn of actions on hold at the moment just because I want to be 100% sure there are survivors before I move on. >>
Now you're hurrying a bit too much. It's still not a new round, Nei was only delaying a bit to see how Katherine handled those readied actions, and there's both the rest of your party and other NPCs left to act. Katherine right now only has a standard action left to use after spending a move to close in. Baha is casting a group buff.

Raineh Daze and Kuromaiken please post your actions for Amaterasu and Hugo, then it will be Nei's pirates+Chalybus dolls turn, then rinse and repeat.

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To use the mecha area attack your targets must be smaller, but the spirited ones have pseudo powerful Build so even with The Bigger They Are they'll count as Mao's own size and thus the basic mecha area attack option becomes invalid.
That's part of the enemy description that is hard to guess when choosing how we go about tactics. Thought perhaps being pseudo it doesn't actually show.
Yeah, that's the idea. Powerful build only works when advantageous after all.

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Aid Another can only be used with attack/skill/spell rolls.
The Bright Teacher stance ability to grant pending Aid Anothers that last until used suggests that it can be used that way to buff other kinds of rolls such as the fort save. Perhaps an oversight.
Clarified.

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Well Aryk has no way to know the space is compressed. :p
The description of the feat suggests the distance visibly looks altered.
Whot? :psyduck
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The distance between those two points is increased or reduced by an amount equal to your  Sleight of Hand check multiplied by 5 in feet. The space still look the same to anybody else outside, but to anyone standing in one of those points, for all pratical purposes they're now at the same distance from the other point, including suddenly looking closer or further away depending if you increased or reduced the distance. This distortion lasts until you use this tactical option again.

Only those standing in the points can notice the distortion.

Which attacks come from who and are any multiple sets of attacks done as part of a maneuver/X-linked weapons?
20 from Alfa First, 22 from Beta Dois, regular full attack with the pair of tails aided by Defensive 5-linked tentacles.

Notice your immediate action is already spent moving away to discover the bio-creatures can follow up.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on May 03, 2018, 04:09:30 AM
Gosh are we really that slow right now?  :lmao

I had no idea those were readied actions
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on May 03, 2018, 04:33:10 AM
It's a shame we're fighting now, because I'm curious about the logic of not being able to run a foot race on a beach. It's just harder. :lmao
Well you may still be able to talk things out, those were just readied actions. Nei and her pirates haven't taken a shot either. Yet.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on May 03, 2018, 07:30:41 AM
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Only those standing in the points can notice the distortion.
Got it, though every time I read the ability, the structure of the sentence makes me unsure of what exactly happens. Is it a space compression within a line that can simply be sidestepped on a different axis?

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Notice your immediate action is already spent moving away to discover the bio-creatures can follow up.
I said that was something that I could do, not that I would necessarily go that way because I want you to be aware of what can be done before I do it. But since you've already given me valuable information I'll have her do it anyway so the team can learn about it. But that movement is using a Counter immediate action and she'll attack with a defensive weapon as part of that movement. Moving away from the team and attacking as many enemies as possible along the way, priority on spiriteds.

If maneuvers are used, she can use Martial Study to identify them.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on May 03, 2018, 04:25:24 PM
Incidentally, yes, Hugo's action was entirely focused on giving Nei second thoughts about their breakup.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on May 04, 2018, 02:49:17 AM
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Only those standing in the points can notice the distortion.
Got it, though every time I read the ability, the structure of the sentence makes me unsure of what exactly happens. Is it a space compression within a line that can simply be sidestepped on a different axis?
That's the idea yes.

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Notice your immediate action is already spent moving away to discover the bio-creatures can follow up.
I said that was something that I could do, not that I would necessarily go that way because I want you to be aware of what can be done before I do it. But since you've already given me valuable information I'll have her do it anyway so the team can learn about it. But that movement is using a Counter immediate action and she'll attack with a defensive weapon as part of that movement. Moving away from the team and attacking as many enemies as possible along the way, priority on spiriteds.
Can you just declare your actions and then I figure out what happens instead of discussing hyphotetical "what if" scenarios? :P

Although I may as well now ask if you have any ability to prevent Aoos.

If maneuvers are used, she can use Martial Study to identify them.
Just roll any non-action skill checks you want, I'll tell you if anything scores a positive.

Incidentally, yes, Hugo's action was entirely focused on giving Nei second thoughts about their breakup.

How exactly did we reach a scenario where you get to say that?

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Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on May 04, 2018, 07:39:09 AM
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Just roll any non-action skill checks you want, I'll tell you if anything scores a positive
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Hm. All right. I'll look into preparing a recurring roundly big set of rolls for the nonactions i have to guess when I return home.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on May 04, 2018, 10:43:46 AM
I'm not sure how Mordred and Saber are involved in this. :lmao
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on May 04, 2018, 10:53:44 AM
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No plan survives contact with the players.  :)
Quote from: https://blog.joshuamlee.com/lessons-tabletop-letting-go/
Even with the god-like powers of a game master, I cannot create a compelling narrative alone; The players drive the plot as much or more than I do. And the party often goes places I never expected — which is fantastic.

Besides, Hugo has already decided to punish him self. No buff for him because he moved out of range. We're apparently in combat and if she's unwilling for him to grab and kiss her what you're looking at is standard Grappling. He needs a successful Touch Attack & Grapple Check, and he provokes an Attack of Opportunity for attempting this. And even on success, who knows maybe Param will forever know Hugo as a sexual predator depending on who decides to black mail the covert spy.

I'm not sure how Mordred and Saber are involved in this. :lmao
My follower Saber happens to look like Saber. The ship is actually from Star Wars through. And Bahamut's "teenage" form uses Mordred so they look like twins. Funny story through, one of them is a cropped image from rule 34.  :D
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on May 04, 2018, 02:32:08 PM
Gosh I love that you actually made that pic Os  :lmao
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on May 05, 2018, 12:43:59 PM
No AoOs if it's a surprise round. No Dex to AC if it's a surprise round. I can make that touch attack all day long.

Besides, it's a lot more hilarious if it actually happens than if the dice block me. Buuuuuuuuuuuut just for the fun of it...

Hugo rolls for romance
Rolled 1d20 : 15, total 15

It's only partly consensual
Rolled 1d20 : 4, total 4
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on May 05, 2018, 12:44:33 PM
OK, OK, it's actually nonconsensual
Rolled 1d20 : 9, total 9
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on May 05, 2018, 12:45:01 PM
See? The results are pretty much the same as if I hadn't rolled it.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on May 05, 2018, 01:57:55 PM
So which are attacking me?

Also, Mordred happens to be a code name if my character as well.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on May 05, 2018, 02:57:00 PM
Also, Mordred happens to be a code name if my character as well.
I didn't use that name, just the image. The ship's name is Scimitar, the pilot is Saber, Bahamut has a longsword, and I figured I wouldn't run out of any sword names or puns anytime soon with my sharp wit.

No AoOs if it's a surprise round. No Dex to AC if it's a surprise round.
The Flat-Footed condition ends when they act, round has nothing to do with it, and clearly her teammates have already decided to shoot Kat down who is getting a full turn. I wouldn't count on anything.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on May 05, 2018, 04:36:16 PM
No one is surprised kuroi. We all saw this coming  :)
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on May 05, 2018, 10:59:10 PM
Wondering, if I got Way of the Sword active on a weapon that is also a paired weapon, is the stance carrying over to the Heavy combined version of the paired weapons?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on May 06, 2018, 02:04:54 AM
No one is surprised kuroi. We all saw this coming  :)
SHUT UP YOU KNOW NOTHING OF ROMANCE
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on May 06, 2018, 02:16:41 AM
By the way, while Rainy did post, Ammy still has taken no actions for this turn.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on May 06, 2018, 02:50:45 PM
Uh, holding? Maybe Hugo'll be successful. If not, THEN break out the fighting.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on May 08, 2018, 09:20:22 AM
So which are attacking me?

Alfa Cinco, Alfa Seis and Alfa Sete, all non-spirited.


Wondering, if I got Way of the Sword active on a weapon that is also a paired weapon, is the stance carrying over to the Heavy combined version of the paired weapons?
No.

Also your counter-attack gets Alert'd, and if it was with a Defensive Weapon (since it's an Immediate action), the Alert is not expended.  Could only target the two spirited bio-creatures since that's how you aligned the points to begin with.

Your attacks were ignoring all damage reduction so they dealt full damage before.

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Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on May 08, 2018, 11:49:41 AM
Are we talking "worms bigger than Amaterasu" (so > normal scale Colossal) or "worms bigger than Amaterasu in mecha" ( > mecha scale Gargantuan)?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on May 08, 2018, 08:58:42 PM
Are we talking "worms bigger than Amaterasu" (so > normal scale Colossal) or "worms bigger than Amaterasu in mecha" ( > mecha scale Gargantuan)?
Speaking of, I have a thought generated from the rule of cool that maybe is a little chaotic. It requires the worm to be Mecha-Large or smaller through so it may not work. But if it is, Imma gonna try to do et. 0:)
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on May 08, 2018, 09:47:43 PM
Are we talking "worms bigger than Amaterasu" (so > normal scale Colossal) or "worms bigger than Amaterasu in mecha" ( > mecha scale Gargantuan)?

Ragol beach worms are mecha scale gargantuan.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on May 08, 2018, 09:53:36 PM
Ahh so sad.  :sobbing
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on May 08, 2018, 10:13:34 PM
Sorry did the...enemies, I suppose, take their turn without actions? Because that would super bum me out
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on May 08, 2018, 10:31:43 PM
Still waiting for Raineh Daze's actual actions.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on May 08, 2018, 10:58:50 PM
Haven't I already said that I'm not doing combat actions until it's actually a combat? It's not like I have any buffs or the like to use before that. Or are you asking for actions in the event a fight completely starts?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on May 08, 2018, 11:15:48 PM
Katherine closed in with hostile intent, triggered some readied actions, and is now waiting for the new round to start to get more actions for more stabbing, but before that the rest of the party also needs to take their actions then the enemies will also be taking their own actions then the party's turn again. Baha is buffing, Hugo spent his actions closing in too, is Amaterasu doing anything before the actual enemy turn starts? Readying anything if you don't want to shoot first?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on May 08, 2018, 11:23:17 PM
Ah. I thought that with all the speaking it had gone on longer than one round.

I'm still a  bit uncertain of the distances involved, would it be possible to move to within 70' MU of all the enemies and ready Overwhelming Presence? Or at least move to near the majority thereof.

If we're already that close together, just ready OP. When the fighting starts, be imposing. :lmao
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on May 09, 2018, 11:15:14 AM
Ah. I thought that with all the speaking it had gone on longer than one round.



You know what they say, speaking is a free action!
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on May 09, 2018, 11:32:09 AM
I had no idea that attempted groping was also a free action. :P
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on May 09, 2018, 02:46:24 PM
I had no idea that attempted groping was also a free action. :P
SUCCESSFUL groping is a free action. Attempted groping is a standard.

AND IT WAS A ROMANTIC KISS FALZDAMMIT
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on May 09, 2018, 03:38:12 PM
AND IT WAS A ROMANTIC KISS FALZDAMMIT
I don't think the plastic doll Hugo kissed had any romantic thoughts.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on May 09, 2018, 09:18:24 PM
I am surrounded by phillistines.  :shakefist
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on May 10, 2018, 12:10:33 AM
Parrying the tail attacks with Parry. Are they adapting things mid combat and still following-up with tentacle attacks?
Forgot the first attack was avoided by moving away but she'd move after attempting to parry the first attack to gauge what the creature can do.
I'll try to post all my turn's actions tomorrow. Got way too much on my plate these days.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on May 10, 2018, 01:04:34 AM
Parries fail, and yes they still follow up with tentacle attacks.

I'll try to post all my turn's actions tomorrow. Got way too much on my plate these days.
I suspected as much since you've been way too silent recently.

Been quite busy myself, like just noticed the bio-monsters didn't need Clear Mind to ignore Miss Chances since they already could do it from another of their abilities, hahaha.

Plus Stephanie and Teresa seem to have some immediate/free actions of their own left to do, so no big hurries.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on May 10, 2018, 07:27:46 AM
Sound. I'll note though that an auto-hit effect such as strike does not prevent a parry since parry actually only applies on attacks that hit to negate them. If they hit all the same I'll probably just tank them.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on May 10, 2018, 02:18:55 PM
Sorry I'll have my post up tomorrow. We are just dealing with the action on the enemy's turn right now, correct?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on May 11, 2018, 08:24:40 PM
Sound. I'll note though that an auto-hit effect such as strike does not prevent a parry since parry actually only applies on attacks that hit to negate them. If they hit all the same I'll probably just tank them.
It's for another reason so they still hit.

Sorry I'll have my post up tomorrow. We are just dealing with the action on the enemy's turn right now, correct?
Yes, but if you can post your turn actions right away that would be even better.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on May 11, 2018, 09:40:41 PM
Given the 50-page thread limit is still in place for software reasons, shouldn't we be moving onto a new IC thread?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on May 12, 2018, 01:36:47 PM
Wondering; if a super robot paired weapon includes a dynamic melee weapon. And one is set to 'ranged weapon mode' (pretty much the case with the Gunlash at the moment). When/If the weapon combines into a heavy weapon, can it then be used as both melee and ranged/have to choose which/fails to combine?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on May 13, 2018, 03:37:26 AM
Paired can only be used for melee, so since that's the default state, the combined weapon will be melee too, although it will inherit the hybrid property and can thus be changed.

Also just in case, the Conscience Android's spirit discount does not apply to spirits that don't have actual targets, like all of the self-buffs one. So Hope works, something like Bravery/Guard/Vigor does not.

EDIT: Also shouldn't there be some iterative penalties for your full attack? And after the first attacks expend your "one attack" spirits, do you have any other ability to help bypass DR/hardness?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on May 13, 2018, 05:30:57 AM
I'm sorry I don't understand the order of operations here and definitely feel like turns we're skipped between the enemy attacking and then the enemy attacking again and what is going on here
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on May 13, 2018, 06:11:04 AM
Rough order, first party:
-Katherine flies in, triggering readied action from mass produced valsiones.
-Baha casting buff.
-Aryk armoring up.
-Hugo closes in, Nei uses some immediate action stuff to get some space from clingy ex.
-Amaterasu readies action for Overwhelming presence.

Then enemy actions:
-Ancient Armor Chalybus (that had only talked until now) closes in and punches Katherine's mecha.
-Amaterasu's action is triggered.
-Nei's pirates pull a tactical retreat.
-The mass produced valsiones don't act because they already had used their readied actions. Not 100% sure myself at this point but things are a bit blurry so I'm actually rounding in your favor, if you want I can also have the 5 non-stunned mass produced valsiones shoot some more.

And now party's turn again. No enemy had more than 1 round worth of actions so far.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on May 13, 2018, 09:08:57 AM
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Paired can only be used for melee, so since that's the default state, the combined weapon will be melee too, although it will inherit the hybrid property and can thus be changed.
Sound!
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Also just in case, the Conscience Android's spirit discount does not apply to spirits that don't have actual targets, like all of the self-buffs one. So Hope works, something like Bravery/Guard/Vigor does not.
Not sure what you mean. The half spirit cost ability seems to apply to any kind of spirit provided it targets either of the two pilots. Self-buffs have a clear target: Yourself.
Some spirits are easier to share since they both pilot the same mecha. Though I now wonder, should Prayer also be able to target the other pilot of the mecha the same way it works between pilots of a combined mecha?
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EDIT: Also shouldn't there be some iterative penalties for your full attack? And after the first attacks expend your "one attack" spirits, do you have any other ability to help bypass DR/hardness?
Aye, forgot about the iterative penalty. Thanks! That reminds me why I had initially decided to burn the last iterative attack on breaking the Alert, though depending on what whether there is a target switch earlier in the attacks the one bypassed may not be the fourth. Depending on what happens I might even just stick to one target so I'll just roll the Alert'd attack too just in case and apply the penalty to the results.
Forgot to apply Vigor to Lyubit via Copy/Paste.
No hardness/DR bypass for the attacks beyond the first of each pilot.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on May 13, 2018, 09:18:46 AM
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Paired can only be used for melee, so since that's the default state, the combined weapon will be melee too, although it will inherit the hybrid property and can thus be changed.
Sound!
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Also just in case, the Conscience Android's spirit discount does not apply to spirits that don't have actual targets, like all of the self-buffs one. So Hope works, something like Bravery/Guard/Vigor does not.
Not sure what you mean. The half spirit cost ability seems to apply to any kind of spirit provided it targets either of the two pilots. Self-buffs have a clear target: Yourself.
It's not so clear to me, and definitely not the intention when I wrote the ability.

Some spirits are easier to share since they both pilot the same mecha. Though I now wonder, should Prayer also be able to target the other pilot of the mecha the same way it works between pilots of a combined mecha?
No.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on May 13, 2018, 09:29:25 AM
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It only costs half spirit to use if used while adjacent or piloting the same mecha as her Conscience companion and targeting either of them.
That's how it is written. But just to be clear... if Mao uses a self-buffing spirit, it does not actually count as targeting her? Because that's what's preventing me from using the extra Boss actions to use actions that targets herself.
I used the class spirit discount on Hope and Cloak. Are spirits that target mechas an invalid choice?
Sad for prayer. It seemed quite appropriate.

I'll update my post to add in a summary of the numbers for simpler reference and with the updated results, including iterative penalties and such. Noticed I forgot the bonus on disarms for wielding a single weapon.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on May 13, 2018, 11:02:50 AM
How far away is everyone from Baha? Like Nei & Kat.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on May 13, 2018, 06:36:35 PM
Rough order, first party:
-Katherine flies in, triggering readied action from mass produced valsiones.
-Baha casting buff.
-Aryk armoring up.
-Hugo closes in, Nei uses some immediate action stuff to get some space from clingy ex.
-Amaterasu readies action for Overwhelming presence.

Then enemy actions:
-Ancient Armor Chalybus (that had only talked until now) closes in and punches Katherine's mecha.
-Amaterasu's action is triggered.
-Nei's pirates pull a tactical retreat.
-The mass produced valsiones don't act because they already had used their readied actions. Not 100% sure myself at this point but things are a bit blurry so I'm actually rounding in your favor, if you want I can also have the 5 non-stunned mass produced valsiones shoot some more.

And now party's turn again. No enemy had more than 1 round worth of actions so far.

Oookay....I suppose that makes sense. Well, I guess I at least still have guard up then.

How do all those pirates manage to avoid provoking AoOs from me btw?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on May 13, 2018, 07:29:10 PM
How do all those pirates manage to avoid provoking AoOs from me btw?
Ready Actions technically take place before the Trigger. So my guess is if they were allowed to Ready against a hostile display which was further ambiguously defined as you moving close enough to punch them they would have shot you before you could reach them.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on May 13, 2018, 07:43:36 PM
The pirates weren't the ones shooting me and the vaselions ranged weapons I wasn't going to waste aoos on anyways. I'm just talking about the pirates current move actions to go around and past me
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on May 17, 2018, 08:58:39 AM
Oookay....I suppose that makes sense. Well, I guess I at least still have guard up then.
Correct.

How do all those pirates manage to avoid provoking AoOs from me btw?
High Tumble skillz for leet aerial maneuvers.

How far away is everyone from Baha? Like Nei & Kat.
Nei is now roughly 500 mu away from Baha, Kat is 150 mu (and that's why I'm not uploading maps since everybody's all over the place).

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It only costs half spirit to use if used while adjacent or piloting the same mecha as her Conscience companion and targeting either of them.
That's how it is written. But just to be clear... if Mao uses a self-buffing spirit, it does not actually count as targeting her? Because that's what's preventing me from using the extra Boss actions to use actions that targets herself.
Good point, updated the Boss's limitation to not use the word target at all.

I used the class spirit discount on Hope and Cloak. Are spirits that target mechas an invalid choice?
Yes, but for now let's just roll with it since I'll admit the wording wasn't that clear. You may've noticed there's been a bunch of extra updates but they'll only apply after the current battle. You'll probably want to change your character too since I'll be adding a broad "no cheesing extra mecha upgrades through non-SRW classes that use mecha rules" ruling.

Sad for prayer. It seemed quite appropriate.
You also considered appropriate to stack spirit reductions until you can spam a bunch of the most expensive ones every turn, which is kinda the opposite of what spirits are supposed to be. Well, my bad for making several of those in the first place, added anti-stacking clause for that so enjoy it for this battle.

I'll update my post to add in a summary of the numbers for simpler reference and with the updated results, including iterative penalties and such. Noticed I forgot the bonus on disarms for wielding a single weapon.

Which reminds me you claim your first attack is bypassing Alert, however the closest ability of yours I can find is Fury from Bravery, but:

-Fury does not bypass Alert just as it does not bypass miss chances or any other effect that simply prevents you from hitting somebody.

Fury had already been explicitly pointed out as not bypassing Alert for quite some time, so that's a ruling that will be enforced this battle.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on May 17, 2018, 03:58:27 PM
Hmm, damn. For some reason I felt sure larger weapons were harder to disarm but that's apparently wrong. Guess I'm losing my swords again cause I need a nat20 to even match that disarm check.

Couldn't find how disarming built-in weapons works tho.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on May 17, 2018, 06:26:28 PM
Doesn't bravery include Strike, which does bypass Alert?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on May 17, 2018, 08:21:51 PM
You are correct in that, thanks for reminding me.

Still need to wait for Stephanie/Teresa's free/immediate stuff before starting to resolve things.

Hmm, damn. For some reason I felt sure larger weapons were harder to disarm but that's apparently wrong. Guess I'm losing my swords again cause I need a nat20 to even match that disarm check.

Couldn't find how disarming built-in weapons works tho.

I recall saying that in-built weapons get a +4 bonus against disarm but can't find any reference indeed. Still I'll re-rule it that way for now. If somebody else recalls the exact ruling please let me know.



Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on May 17, 2018, 08:31:42 PM
I've still got the Zeal actions to decide though it could all depend on the state of things before them. I'll add the usual "save vs this and that" once each per enemy attacked thing and maybe note contingencies of what my actions could be in the possible scenarios though there's so much that's possible with the material available it'd quite probably be pointless to guess.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on May 18, 2018, 04:04:55 PM
Ugh sorry about lack of reply, was trying to figure out how to save my maid but looks like she'd dead lol.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on May 18, 2018, 04:56:13 PM
Mao's situation really makes me feel like we dodged a bullet by going to a beach party -_-'
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on May 18, 2018, 05:00:45 PM
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Ugh sorry about lack of reply, was trying to figure out how to save my maid but looks like she'd dead lol.
If she's down, I'll try to bring her back.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on May 18, 2018, 05:03:32 PM
Mao's situation really makes me feel like we dodged a bullet by going to a beach party -_-'

LMFAO
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Ugh sorry about lack of reply, was trying to figure out how to save my maid but looks like she'd dead lol.
If she's down, I'll try to bring her back.

Appreciated.


WTF is that roll.

I just realized I obviously failed that counter. I'll put HP values later, but Teresa is definitely under -10.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on May 18, 2018, 09:34:18 PM
Will start updating Mao/Stephanie's side of things later this weekend.

Mao's situation really makes me feel like we dodged a bullet by going to a beach party -_-'
The beach is safer than the ruins filled with dangerous experiments, who would've thought? :P

Reflex Vs. Downfall? I dunno you didn't say

Downfall is a trip check.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on May 18, 2018, 10:25:48 PM
Question!

Can my Soul from Ghostly Wheel of Pain use Spirits when it's summoned and begins its turn?

Downfall is a trip check.
Rolled a base of 18 on the dice anyways so is good~
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on May 18, 2018, 10:39:40 PM
Well, yeah, the beach is... what, a pretty early area in episode... I'm not sure. Not 1. Maybe 4? God, it's been ages. The ruins are the final area of Episode 1. :D
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on May 19, 2018, 12:50:50 PM
Well, yeah, the beach is... what, a pretty early area in episode... I'm not sure. Not 1. Maybe 4? God, it's been ages. The ruins are the final area of Episode 1. :D
PSO1 didn't really have beaches. It had jungles though, both episodes 1 and 3 (2 was a card game).

As for PSO2, I think it was the start of episode 3 or the end of episode 2. By the end of Episode 3 you have planet Harkotan, which means we'd have passed it, while as you said, ruins are the end of episode 1.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on May 22, 2018, 06:44:50 AM
Well, yeah, the beach is... what, a pretty early area in episode... I'm not sure. Not 1. Maybe 4? God, it's been ages. The ruins are the final area of Episode 1. :D
PSO1 didn't really have beaches. It had jungles though, both episodes 1 and 3 (2 was a card game).

As for PSO2, I think it was the start of episode 3 or the end of episode 2. By the end of Episode 3 you have planet Harkotan, which means we'd have passed it, while as you said, ruins are the end of episode 1.

The jungle at PSO 1 episode 2 did have a beach subsection (it was in an island after all) and it was episode 3 that was the card game (http://www.pscave.com/psoep3/).


Question!

Can my Soul from Ghostly Wheel of Pain use Spirits when it's summoned and begins its turn?
Yes.

Soro: Some problems with your actions.
-Twin weapons can only make paired attacks as a standard action, at the end of a charge or if an effect explicitly allows it. The Ambush maneuver only allows one attack.
-Guard is 20 spirit points base, how are you paying only 8?
-Illusion Star needs you to borrow maneuvers to your clone and write down a set of instructions for them to follow.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on May 22, 2018, 07:36:14 AM
Will need a map. Space is still compressed all the way toward the end of the room.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on May 22, 2018, 08:48:11 AM
Will need a map.
I wish you all the luck finding that map, because I can't give you one before August. At best. :)

Space is still compressed all the way toward the end of the room.

No, it's compressed between two points, that's just a line, between Mao's starting position roughly at the mid of the room and one of the walls. Outside that line, the room's space works as normal.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on May 22, 2018, 01:49:08 PM
1. Twin weapons can only make paired attacks as a standard action, at the end of a charge or if an effect explicitly allows it. The Ambush maneuver only allows one attack.
2. Guard is 20 spirit points base, how are you paying only 8?
3. Illusion Star needs you to borrow maneuvers to your clone and write down a set of instructions for them to follow.
A. Ahh, well then I'm going to go figure out what hits harder and roll that.
B. Alert happens to cost 8 and it's right beside it, looks like I looked at the wrong number, maybe alternating background colors would help but all well, will adjust.
C. It seems that part never got posted, probably because I created a couple preset patterns I intended to post on the sheet but can't, Current plan is to watch it die horribly and near instantaneously as it initiates the fifteen round start up to fire some crappy Delayed Blast Fireballs while bluffing it's self to be a roadway sign.
1. God Throughout the World[Wall of Light] with the request of displaying pixel art of Hugo being slapped in the face, provides total-concealment.
2. Orreries' Solar System[Delayed Blast Fireball], which does nothing this turn but they can't see it anyway.
3. DZ's Parry, in case they fire at it. "If one of the instructions can't be carried out, it tries to do the next one."
4~1,000, Cockpit Hit & Quick Blow & Parry as needed while carpet bombing the ship and then everyone on it in a nondiscriminatory left-to-right order which happens until it's out of energy.
1,001~1,000,000: Spam Iron Blow (regen > expenditure) to keep it from timing out while the Solar System fires until it becomes unable to use this Maneuver (aka targets are out of range).

This is also Carpet Bombing: Plan B. Plan A is to nuke Bahamut with the Fireballs and it totally had a cooler name in chat the other day.

Edit: Yeahee, mods are currently broke. I can't roll anything for now.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on May 22, 2018, 05:50:53 PM
I don't mind. Pretty busy, especially during the summer. I can use the downtime.

I know the compressed space is only a line. It still goes all the way toward the end of the room, is what I mean. Hard to show specifically how it goes without a map though.

Mao can tank the damage but it's odd that they are now pulling immediate actions on her turn right before any action is done. If that was to be, why have them do them after you wait for me to declare my actions? You could have declared those as part of the crunch of their turn. Feels like a retroaction. "Now our actions are over, say want you do now. Wait, nevermind, we forgot to do this before it really is your turn to declare what you do."
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on May 22, 2018, 06:38:07 PM
Yup, what should we do if the roll mod isn't fixed?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on May 23, 2018, 07:58:00 AM
Ok, to keep things simple, until the forum is fixed you can roll however you want and only need to post the final results here. I trust you enough to don't try to cheat in this, and I hope you'll trust me in return.

I don't mind. Pretty busy, especially during the summer. I can use the downtime.
It's ok if you want to take a break from the campaign and return later, but if YuweaCurtis posts actions for Stephanie, I'm advancing that side of the campaign for them and Mao will count as locked in a time rift or something.

Mao can tank the damage but it's odd that they are now pulling immediate actions on her turn right before any action is done. If that was to be, why have them do them after you wait for me to declare my actions? You could have declared those as part of the crunch of their turn. Feels like a retroaction. "Now our actions are over, say want you do now. Wait, nevermind, we forgot to do this before it really is your turn to declare what you do."
They're newtypes. They have the zero system. THIS IS THE POWER OF THE MONADO! They are Mythra's drivers. It was technically your turn after all, force of habit. I'll try to remember it next time.

Still the party has often took advantage when you get to see all enemy actions for their round and then cherry pick your reactions for the most dangerous bits. :p

1. God Throughout the World[Wall of Light] with the request of displaying pixel art of Hugo being slapped in the face, provides total-concealment.
Approved.  :D

2. Orreries' Solar System[Delayed Blast Fireball], which does nothing this turn but they can't see it anyway.
Targets?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on May 23, 2018, 09:29:08 AM
Ok, to keep things simple, until the forum is fixed you can roll however you want and only need to post the final results here. I trust you enough to don't try to cheat in this, and I hope you'll trust me in return.
If anyone needs a dice roller Anydice can be used. Click on "Roller" next to View instead of Graph and then change the 6 to a 1 (or w/e it was).

4~1,000, Cockpit Hit & Quick Blow & Parry as needed while carpet bombing the ship and then everyone on it in a nondiscriminatory left-to-right order which happens until it's out of energy.
Targets?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on May 23, 2018, 03:33:26 PM
I don't mind. Pretty busy, especially during the summer. I can use the downtime.

I know the compressed space is only a line. It still goes all the way toward the end of the room, is what I mean. Hard to show specifically how it goes without a map though.

Mao can tank the damage but it's odd that they are now pulling immediate actions on her turn right before any action is done. If that was to be, why have them do them after you wait for me to declare my actions? You could have declared those as part of the crunch of their turn. Feels like a retroaction. "Now our actions are over, say want you do now. Wait, nevermind, we forgot to do this before it really is your turn to declare what you do."

My bad if my action where off.

Also, the irony of that full round action effect.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on May 23, 2018, 05:55:11 PM
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It's ok if you want to take a break from the campaign and return later, but if YuweaCurtis posts actions for Stephanie, I'm advancing that side of the campaign for them and Mao will count as locked in a time rift or something.
Works for me.
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Still the party has often took advantage when you get to see all enemy actions for their round and then cherry pick your reactions for the most dangerous bits. :p
Aye, it worked both ways and I understood that well. Only concerned this time because it involved stuff that predates the entire thing rather than reactionary to specific stuff that actually happens.
Anyway, we understand each other.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on May 23, 2018, 11:24:42 PM
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It's ok if you want to take a break from the campaign and return later, but if YuweaCurtis posts actions for Stephanie, I'm advancing that side of the campaign for them and Mao will count as locked in a time rift or something.
Works for me.

Well let me know when you're ready to return to the campaign then, in particular since that battle should be over before August and thus will render the need for a map moot.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Anomander on May 24, 2018, 12:36:52 AM
I'll need one after the fight too, so it's all good.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on May 24, 2018, 04:49:21 AM
I was trying to get my turn done before Thursday but I've not been able to so just a heads up, ketaro is gonna be totally clocked out of MMX until next week cause convention weekend~ Sorry for causing a delay!
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on May 24, 2018, 06:39:57 AM
No problem, like only Baha has actions posted in your side of the action right now. With a bit of luck the forum roller will be back online by then too.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on May 24, 2018, 09:10:42 AM
I'm just waiting to see who attacks what before I do my normal strategy of "run in and hit things".

What size category is the ancient armour guy?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on May 26, 2018, 03:28:25 AM
Medium size.

Also some nice art from Phantasy Star Episode III which I never got the chance to play but looks like it would be fun:
(https://imgur.com/Nu0Gg5l.png)

Must... Resist... Temptation...To add card games to the campaign...
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on May 26, 2018, 07:35:39 PM
Medium size.

Also some nice art from Phantasy Star Episode III which I never got the chance to play but looks like it would be fun:
(https://imgur.com/Nu0Gg5l.png)

Must... Resist... Temptation...To add card games to the campaign...

Only if you can tolerate my card game references.

Also keep thinking that's Link.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on May 27, 2018, 06:44:01 PM
By the time the genderbenders get done it may just be...
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on May 29, 2018, 10:18:14 AM
Well crap, Anomander was going to do something about my maid fatality....
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on May 30, 2018, 07:16:50 PM
Taking the liberty of NPCing Mao a bit for Stephanie's sake while Anomander is taking a break. As far as I'm aware their main trick for ally fatalities is using the Revival counter.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on May 31, 2018, 10:20:00 AM
Crap forgot to mention my DR... Oh well.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on June 12, 2018, 05:43:27 PM
Heads up, the forum roller is working again.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on June 15, 2018, 04:16:20 PM
Sweet.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on June 18, 2018, 10:10:41 AM
Sorry for the delay. The disarm is after the attack right?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on June 18, 2018, 10:38:52 AM
Correct.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on June 19, 2018, 10:16:46 AM
Man the die really hate me right now lol.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on June 21, 2018, 12:22:55 PM
But I don't see any new roll from you? :psyduck
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on June 21, 2018, 12:44:07 PM
So much hate it refuses to exist?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on June 21, 2018, 01:12:13 PM
Since you're here, care to take your turn?  :p
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on June 21, 2018, 03:35:33 PM
Well, I was hoping to have some idea what Hugo and Katherine were doing so I'd end up running and hitting the right person, but I guess I can work out something regardless.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on June 21, 2018, 03:40:27 PM
Well, I was hoping to have some idea what Hugo and Katherine were doing so I'd end up running and hitting the right person, but I guess I can work out something regardless.

Hugo is molesting space lolis right now.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on June 21, 2018, 04:04:22 PM
Hugo is molesting space lolis right now.
Does he ever stop?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on June 21, 2018, 06:34:24 PM
Hugo is molesting space lolis right now.
Does he ever stop?
Ask him every five minutes.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on June 21, 2018, 09:28:02 PM
Ask him every five minutes.
I think you're being a little generous about the duration there.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on June 21, 2018, 10:35:44 PM
Well, I was hoping to have some idea what Hugo and Katherine were doing so I'd end up running and hitting the right person, but I guess I can work out something regardless.

Hugo is molesting space lolis right now.

Yet there's no IC Hugo post for the new turn.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on June 21, 2018, 11:13:35 PM
Ketaro got lost after fanime but has returned. Posting Saturday.

Gonna be asking the big team up enemy mecha that punched me to nonchalantly go play with any while I pounce the pirates for free kills  :cool
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on June 22, 2018, 05:34:54 PM
Well, I was hoping to have some idea what Hugo and Katherine were doing so I'd end up running and hitting the right person, but I guess I can work out something regardless.

Hugo is molesting space lolis right now.

Yet there's no IC Hugo post for the new turn.
Isn't there? Are you suuuuuuuuuuuure?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on June 22, 2018, 10:57:39 PM
As far as I'm aware, Energons are not from Eberron but from Planar Handbook and Manual of the Planes. Also they come in 7 different flavors (positive, negative, acid, fire, sonic, electricity, cold). I assume those are the ones you wanted since they're indeed incorporeal and can be summoned by Summon Monster V and can shoot blasts. They have slightly different statistics between them so you want a specific type or just all of them?

Also they can't grapple, that with having a null Str score and null grapple bonus.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on June 22, 2018, 11:02:59 PM
Now that I see people are alive and molesting I'll get a post up tomorrow.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on June 23, 2018, 10:42:57 AM
As far as I'm aware, Energons are not from Eberron but from Planar Handbook and Manual of the Planes. Also they come in 7 different flavors (positive, negative, acid, fire, sonic, electricity, cold). I assume those are the ones you wanted since they're indeed incorporeal and can be summoned by Summon Monster V and can shoot blasts. They have slightly different statistics between them so you want a specific type or just all of them?

Also they can't grapple, that with having a null Str score and null grapple bonus.
Huh. I was sure they were at least mentioned in the campaign guide.

Let's use the sonic variant then. They're blasting the hulls with heavy metal.  :p
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on June 23, 2018, 01:22:03 PM
Like this? (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AmWLaFQNwVE)
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on June 28, 2018, 03:13:49 AM
Ketaro got lost after fanime but has returned. Posting Saturday.

Gonna be asking the big team up enemy mecha that punched me to nonchalantly go play with any while I pounce the pirates for free kills  :cool
Well, I was hoping to have some idea what Hugo and Katherine were doing so I'd end up running and hitting the right person, but I guess I can work out something regardless.
Now that I see people are alive and molesting I'll get a post up tomorrow.

Bump.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on June 28, 2018, 03:25:57 PM
No notes or w/e on the damage I dealt?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on June 28, 2018, 08:01:46 PM
Weakened but still moving.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on June 28, 2018, 11:39:03 PM
Well, Ketaro has an odd idea of Saturday.

I guess I can tangle with the not-quite-as-big-as-me guardian? I'll do that later.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on June 29, 2018, 12:26:59 PM
Only two left? Can I use my Electric Loop to only hit those two despite it being able to hit more targets?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on June 29, 2018, 07:09:56 PM
Yes you can.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on July 05, 2018, 11:38:37 PM
Bump. If Katherine doesn't get actions this weekend, I'll count her as going full defense and advance the beach action (and I'll update Stephanie's side tomorrow).

Less than one month left for Anomander's map to be finished.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on July 08, 2018, 02:07:31 AM
Ketaro: Need me to roll Katherine's attacks for you?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on July 08, 2018, 03:39:20 AM
I don't remember attacking.......Altho I guess I did. I don't know how many enemies are in within 35mu though to know how many rolls I need, sorry.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on July 08, 2018, 04:54:48 AM
Six targets, Nei and her two beach companions plus the three ships carrying them.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on July 08, 2018, 11:23:27 AM
Does this mean after two months we're getting an update? Cool.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on July 08, 2018, 01:42:02 PM
Six targets, Nei and her two beach companions plus the three ships carrying them.
Remember, Nei is capture-only.  :P
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on July 08, 2018, 02:08:15 PM
Remember, Nei is capture-only.  :P
Your mating ritual is so strange.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on July 09, 2018, 01:00:34 AM
Remember, Nei is capture-only.  :P
Your mating ritual is so strange.
What can I say, Hugo is a romantic.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 10, 2018, 09:16:55 AM
@Os: Amaterasu is using mecha stats. She's been in that the entire time. So there's no weapon to disarm.

Also, question: how is he even hitting, anyway? Spring attack explicitly avoids provoking an AoO, and she ended her turn out of melee reach (hovering pretty high above).
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on July 10, 2018, 09:50:40 AM
Maneuver counter from martial machine.

Also the mega married punch had the disarming property that works against mechas. If amaterasu did not attack with the zaxe, then the disarm is aimed at the weapon your mecha used in their last attack.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on July 10, 2018, 10:02:53 AM
How do you disarm a built-in weapon? Is that a possible thing, disarming a punch? xD

Though despite the wording, the rules don't say they're natural weapons, so I suppose that's possible.

I've been trying to backlog and find the Ancient Armor's size category, since I swear I asked at some point, but I can't find it. How big?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on July 10, 2018, 11:20:53 AM
Trying to figure out distance again.

Me and Kat started out next to each other right?
Then I flew 65mu towards everyone.
Then she took a Move Action (sheet says 130mu for speed)
So Baha is 65mu away, or less, from Kat's attackers?
And how far away are the shooters?
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Post by: ketaro on July 10, 2018, 01:43:47 PM
How do you disarm a built-in weapon? Is that a possible thing, disarming a punch? xD

Though despite the wording, the rules don't say they're natural weapons, so I suppose that's possible.

I've been trying to backlog and find the Ancient Armor's size category, since I swear I asked at some point, but I can't find it. How big?

I asked the same question cause Kat's mecha's swords are also built-in weapons but apparently anything can be disarmed.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on July 10, 2018, 01:47:20 PM
I honestly have no idea what Murakumo's HP is, but somehow I doubt 122 is only a scratch.

(I actually can't wrap my head around how it works at ALL.)

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Post by: ketaro on July 10, 2018, 01:50:26 PM
@Os

I don't see any rolls for saves against Blinds & Silences from whoever Kat managed to hit on her turn :P

Edit: Kat would also like to know how nobody ever seems to provoke AoOs from all these ranged attacks when she has a melee reach greater than the battlefield some days.

While we're at it, I don't suppose Alert was counted to dodge something yet, was it?

Editx3: Roll more miss chances sir! I need to take as little as possible damage ;)
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Post by: ketaro on July 10, 2018, 02:01:12 PM
I honestly have no idea what Murakumo's HP is, but somehow I doubt 122 is only a scratch.

(I actually can't wrap my head around how it works at ALL.)

Arcane Robots get 3/5 the hp a Super Robot gets. You have a base of 3+6/Arcane Pilot level. Super Pilot levels count for this. Course, looking at your MW sheet, you only have 13 of 14 levels listed sooooooo.....Ignoring that you have 81 HP plus what looks to be Plating upgrade 5 times for +50 more HP so Murakamo should have 131 HP. Or 137 if you were properly 14th level. Plus potentially more if you picked up an upgrade with that level for more HP.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on July 10, 2018, 02:40:18 PM
I honestly have no idea what Murakumo's HP is, but somehow I doubt 122 is only a scratch.

(I actually can't wrap my head around how it works at ALL.)

Arcane Robots get 3/5 the hp a Super Robot gets. You have a base of 3+6/Arcane Pilot level. Super Pilot levels count for this. Course, looking at your MW sheet, you only have 13 of 14 levels listed sooooooo.....Ignoring that you have 81 HP plus what looks to be Plating upgrade 5 times for +50 more HP so Murakamo should have 131 HP. Or 137 if you were properly 14th level. Plus potentially more if you picked up an upgrade with that level for more HP.

I'm supposed to have only one level of Arcane Pilot, for the built-in magic converter thingy. The rest is supposed to be Super Pilot levels. I changed that up when I realized that Arcane Pilot casting is CHA-based and I would get like zero benefits from more than one level.

Also, I have funnels, those should be on the defensive, and sadly I don't think I can Rocket Punch Counter an area attack. Unless I could deviate the cannon's trajectory or something.
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Post by: ketaro on July 10, 2018, 02:43:14 PM
Then your Mythweavers sheet is wrong and what are you actually looking at for a character sheet lol

Well, regardless, whether you have 1 or all Arcane Pilot levels, all levels for you Super Robot should have the HP reduced to 3+6/lvl in order to keep the ability to channel magic through them.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on July 10, 2018, 02:56:55 PM
Aaaaaaand I just realized I have to re-pick all upgrades again... At least some of them are fixed.


Hmmmm. Osle, is Neikapool the same mecha she used to ride when Hugo and her were dating?
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Post by: oslecamo on July 10, 2018, 06:53:34 PM
How do you disarm a built-in weapon? Is that a possible thing, disarming a punch? xD

Though despite the wording, the rules don't say they're natural weapons, so I suppose that's possible.
(https://imgur.com/H7QCT2E.png)
(https://imgur.com/uGFpInQ.png)

Chopping/ripping off mecha limbs is a classic of the genre.

In particular when mechas don't need to worry about such things as bleeding out and even the head being blown off means only your main camera was destroyed.

I've been trying to backlog and find the Ancient Armor's size category, since I swear I asked at some point, but I can't find it. How big?

Medium...

Trying to figure out distance again.

Me and Kat started out next to each other right?
Then I flew 65mu towards everyone.
Then she took a Move Action (sheet says 130mu for speed)
So Baha is 65mu away, or less, from Kat's attackers?
And how far away are the shooters?

Correct, and the Calamity Corsair piloted by Olebac Vermelho is part of Nei's group engaged with Katherine.

@Os

I don't see any rolls for saves against Blinds & Silences from whoever Kat managed to hit on her turn :P
They were the last set of d20 rolls, I even mention Olebacs and Odaetnep's eyes going monochrome (although they have other senses to rely on).

Edit: Kat would also like to know how nobody ever seems to provoke AoOs from all these ranged attacks when she has a melee reach greater than the battlefield some days.
Some abilities allow a ranged attacker to avoid Aoos and basically most ranged specialists will be packing them. In the other hand that means they won't be powering up their shots as much.

Although if your melee reach is 100+mu then I owe you some Aoos against the M-valsiones that are mooks and thus no fancy anti-aoo abilities.

While we're at it, I don't suppose Alert was counted to dodge something yet, was it?
It was, and it was a Strike attack that managed to beat your AC.

Editx3: Roll more miss chances sir! I need to take as little as possible damage ;)
Hahaha, I'll just use the miss chances I already rolled (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=10047.msg335635#msg335635) since miss chances are miss chances. So that's two more evaded attacks in the 20-50 range so you dodge the 36 and 41 ones.

I honestly have no idea what Murakumo's HP is, but somehow I doubt 122 is only a scratch.

(I actually can't wrap my head around how it works at ALL.)

Arcane Robots get 3/5 the hp a Super Robot gets. You have a base of 3+6/Arcane Pilot level. Super Pilot levels count for this. Course, looking at your MW sheet, you only have 13 of 14 levels listed sooooooo.....Ignoring that you have 81 HP plus what looks to be Plating upgrade 5 times for +50 more HP so Murakamo should have 131 HP. Or 137 if you were properly 14th level. Plus potentially more if you picked up an upgrade with that level for more HP.

I'm supposed to have only one level of Arcane Pilot, for the built-in magic converter thingy. The rest is supposed to be Super Pilot levels. I changed that up when I realized that Arcane Pilot casting is CHA-based and I would get like zero benefits from more than one level.

Also, I have funnels, those should be on the defensive, and sadly I don't think I can Rocket Punch Counter an area attack. Unless I could deviate the cannon's trajectory or something.

"Should", but you didn't actually deploy them. Murakumo can try to counter Rocket Punch since it's a multi-target attack rather than area but since you're not actually inside the mecha it's stuck working with the sentient upgrade and that means 10 on all stats and no Bab nor feats so you'll basically need a natural 20 to succeed.

Aaaaaaand I just realized I have to re-pick all upgrades again... At least some of them are fixed.
Mandatory mid-season upgrade!

Hmmmm. Osle, is Neikapool the same mecha she used to ride when Hugo and her were dating?
She had a customized Newkapool last time you were together, the Neikapool seems an upgraded version.
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Post by: ketaro on July 10, 2018, 07:53:58 PM
Dam! The 36 and 41 were already doing zero damage I've gained nothing  :shakefist

Ah, the mention about their eyes did not register at all, haha.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on July 10, 2018, 09:19:54 PM

I honestly have no idea what Murakumo's HP is, but somehow I doubt 122 is only a scratch.

(I actually can't wrap my head around how it works at ALL.)

Arcane Robots get 3/5 the hp a Super Robot gets. You have a base of 3+6/Arcane Pilot level. Super Pilot levels count for this. Course, looking at your MW sheet, you only have 13 of 14 levels listed sooooooo.....Ignoring that you have 81 HP plus what looks to be Plating upgrade 5 times for +50 more HP so Murakamo should have 131 HP. Or 137 if you were properly 14th level. Plus potentially more if you picked up an upgrade with that level for more HP.

I'm supposed to have only one level of Arcane Pilot, for the built-in magic converter thingy. The rest is supposed to be Super Pilot levels. I changed that up when I realized that Arcane Pilot casting is CHA-based and I would get like zero benefits from more than one level.

Also, I have funnels, those should be on the defensive, and sadly I don't think I can Rocket Punch Counter an area attack. Unless I could deviate the cannon's trajectory or something.

"Should", but you didn't actually deploy them. Murakumo can try to counter Rocket Punch since it's a multi-target attack rather than area but since you're not actually inside the mecha it's stuck working with the sentient upgrade and that means 10 on all stats and no Bab nor feats so you'll basically need a natural 20 to succeed.

Aaaaaaand I just realized I have to re-pick all upgrades again... At least some of them are fixed.
Mandatory mid-season upgrade!

Hmmmm. Osle, is Neikapool the same mecha she used to ride when Hugo and her were dating?
She had a customized Newkapool last time you were together, the Neikapool seems an upgraded version.

Oh, the fact that she had a downgraded version should be good enough.  :plotting

EDIT: Also need to rework my saves... Can someone help me with that?
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Post by: Raineh Daze on July 11, 2018, 12:41:19 AM
Sorry for repeating the question, I just needed the size category to do the disarm rolls. I'll get my post up tomorrow.
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Post by: oslecamo on July 11, 2018, 09:07:53 AM
So here's something I did

(click to show/hide)

On related news, how would you feel about adding a more strategic layer to the campaign? As in since you're collecting quite a bunch of NPCs you can send them to investigate certain areas of the above map and also better plan how to split yourselves. Securing important squares would grant you extra raw resources and reputation that you could assign to help your exploration of Ragol (rules pending).

Or we can continue with the current method of getting quests objectives and dropping right into them.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on July 11, 2018, 10:24:49 AM
I like that, but only because it tickles my management fancy.  :P Not sure how it'd work for everyone else.

...I also pretty much have the least number of commandable NPCs.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on July 11, 2018, 11:17:53 AM
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...I also pretty much have the least number of commandable NPCs.

Excuse me? Do I look like I'm commanding anything? :P
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Post by: Kuroimaken on July 11, 2018, 01:49:29 PM
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...I also pretty much have the least number of commandable NPCs.

Excuse me? Do I look like I'm commanding anything? :P

You command anybody who doesn't want a nuclear hug, you're on top of the list.
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Post by: ketaro on July 11, 2018, 03:13:09 PM
As Kat acquires a fanclub of creepy lookalikes.....

Going back to my immediate action, were there any AoEs made by the enemies to dodge? Like the blinding flash of blind?
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Post by: SorO_Lost on July 11, 2018, 08:23:01 PM
I'd be up for using my NPCs more. Let's face, I barely read PH's wiki and when I do I learn about irrelevant things from itger timelines anyway. Sending NPCs in various quests could be a great way to learn about things. And fluff in more worshippers of course.
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Post by: oslecamo on July 12, 2018, 02:00:41 AM
Seems like there's several people interested in strategic NPC use and nobody explicitly against it.

Going back to my immediate action, were there any AoEs made by the enemies to dodge? Like the blinding flash of blind?

The blinding flash of blind was an AoE after-effect indeed, but also a Will save one. Otherwise the only one.

I'd be up for using my NPCs more. Let's face, I barely read PH's wiki and when I do I learn about irrelevant things from itger timelines anyway.
If you're gonna read anything you should really start at the start (https://lparchive.org/title/phantasy%20star) since it seems like you haven't played any of the games instead of jumping straight at the latest multi-parallel-path timeline.
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Post by: ketaro on July 12, 2018, 02:05:12 AM
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The blinding flash of blind was an AoE after-effect indeed, but also a Will save one. Otherwise the only one.

Well I can see it lets me apply the miss chance to AoEs too....
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on July 12, 2018, 08:50:11 AM
Extras are always nice. Even if the other stuff wasn't there it makes perfectly good sense to me to send NPCs ahead anyways, as a majority of them are supposed to be under the direct command of the PCs, as opposed to just allies that help out. At least in this case. Thinking about it, R.I.N is pretty much a exploration/mining vessel anyways.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on July 12, 2018, 08:32:00 PM
Let's Play videos are like the bane of the Internet :(

Anyway, currently getting my rear handed to me in rl as everyone dramatically thinks they are dying. I should get my post up tomorrow provided deputies don't decide to go on an arresting spree.
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Post by: oslecamo on July 12, 2018, 10:42:24 PM
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The blinding flash of blind was an AoE after-effect indeed, but also a Will save one. Otherwise the only one.

Well I can see it lets me apply the miss chance to AoEs too....
I rolled the miss chance, you dodged the blindness after all.

Let's Play videos are like the bane of the Internet :(

They are all screenshot LPs. Great for reading on mobile.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on July 12, 2018, 11:22:10 PM
Screenshot-heavy and all the text has been shrunk has never been my idea of good for mobile. :p

I read those at some point and have completely forgotten what goes on.
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Post by: oslecamo on July 13, 2018, 12:33:03 AM
I trust you at least still remember who Nei is. :p
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Post by: Raineh Daze on July 13, 2018, 09:18:31 AM
... Numan? PS2? That's all I remember. :p
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Post by: SorO_Lost on July 13, 2018, 01:14:34 PM
All I know is Nei is feminine enough for Hugo, but that doesn't say much.
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Post by: oslecamo on July 16, 2018, 01:13:52 AM
soro_lost: The crit was from the Heavy Beam, so Phase Shift Barrier doesn't work against it. Also unless otherwise noted damage multipliers work by D&D scaling so 1/4 guard combined with 1/2 empyreal results in 1/5 damage, not 1/8.

Kuromaiken:
There's some problems with your actions:
-You can't just use regular teleport on unattended objects by themselves, a creature needs to go along.
-Even if you could the disks still need to suffer one point of damage to break and activate the spell inside, and that would demand at least 10 feet of free fall space and your average humanoid's cockpit isn't that spacious.
-It was already discussed that it's not viable to try to teleport anything inside a mecha's cockpit. (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=7174.msg160611;topicseen#msg160611) And case in point if any mage could just reliably teleport stuff like bombs inside cockpits, then this wouldn't be a mecha setting because mechas would just be glorified targets.
(https://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/508/659/8b9.png)
(and even in normal D&D you don't see anybody taking out big monsters just by teleporting nasty stuff inside their stomaches either)
-You really should properly update Murakumo's stats. Your disk launcher will be a hybrid in-built super weapon that throws disks instead of dealing damage.
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Post by: ketaro on July 16, 2018, 02:16:52 AM
Teleport Object is what Kuro would want here, but even that is only a single object per casting.

To break them in that situation, instead of having them fall from 10+ feet he'd have to teleport them inside the walls of the cockpit but on the side closer to the inside of the cockpit and not the outside of the mecha and that'd require knowing exact specifications of the exact target mecha lol.

Honestly, I just recently noticed a note on teleporting into/onto moving objects on the PFSRD that pretty much could apply to explaining how to get teleporting inside a mecha's cockpit to work.
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By the way…
Because ships are constantly in motion, the caster of spells of the teleportation subschool must have line of sight to teleport onto a ship. Otherwise, a caster must scry upon a particular ship first, then immediately teleport to the scryed destination. Any delay in casting means the ship has moved from its scryed location and the spell fails.

Source Skull & Shackles Player’s Guide

Does not necessarily mean we can use such a ruling from probably a 3rd party source, much less PF rather than DnD regardless of how much the systems works together because I think we're not playing a PF game ( :P) but I did immediately think back on that quote after reading Hugo's posted actions and Os' response referencing that past discussion about teleporting into cockpits. ;)

/2cents


Edit: Gosh, I need to get back around to making my post and come up with some amazing (but probably terrible attempt at doing so) gloating because Kat is surviving these constant barrages so gloriously.
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Post by: oslecamo on July 16, 2018, 03:08:43 AM
Teleport Object is what Kuro would want here, but even that is only a single object per casting.

To break them in that situation, instead of having them fall from 10+ feet he'd have to teleport them inside the walls of the cockpit but on the side closer to the inside of the cockpit and not the outside of the mecha and that'd require knowing exact specifications of the exact target mecha lol.

Honestly, I just recently noticed a note on teleporting into/onto moving objects on the PFSRD that pretty much could apply to explaining how to get teleporting inside a mecha's cockpit to work.
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By the way…
Because ships are constantly in motion, the caster of spells of the teleportation subschool must have line of sight to teleport onto a ship. Otherwise, a caster must scry upon a particular ship first, then immediately teleport to the scryed destination. Any delay in casting means the ship has moved from its scryed location and the spell fails.

Source Skull & Shackles Player’s Guide

Does not necessarily mean we can use such a ruling from probably a 3rd party source, much less PF rather than DnD regardless of how much the systems works together because I think we're not playing a PF game ( :P) but I did immediately think back on that quote after reading Hugo's posted actions and Os' response referencing that past discussion about teleporting into cockpits. ;)

/2cents
A fine analysis, but you're forgetting a key detail:
(https://imgur.com/HTlw7DX.png)
(https://imgur.com/t1Tr5nB.png)
See, some may think mechas have fixed shapes, but the truth is they're constantly changing in more or less subtle ways. It's one of the reasons why they're such an efficient and terrifying combat weapon, you think you have a clear shot at the cockpit and in the next moment their structure has changed to make your attack innefective! :P

Edit: Gosh, I need to get back around to making my post and come up with some amazing (but probably terrible attempt at doing so) gloating because Kat is surviving these constant barrages so gloriously.

If anything great to see that the lethality's been significantly toned down since the campaign start and player mechas aren't dropping as easily as at the beginning.
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Post by: ketaro on July 16, 2018, 03:25:38 AM
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If anything great to see that the lethality's been significantly toned down since the campaign start and player mechas aren't dropping as easily as at the beginning.

Well it sure as hell takes me a ridiculous amount of work just to scrape by here still haha -_-'
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Post by: Raineh Daze on July 16, 2018, 10:34:25 AM
I think this marks a first for my having enough HP to survive the hit. :lmao
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Post by: SorO_Lost on July 16, 2018, 10:53:02 AM
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By the way…
Because ships are constantly in motion, the caster of spells of the teleportation subschool must have line of sight to teleport onto a ship. Otherwise, a caster must scry upon a particular ship first, then immediately teleport to the scryed destination. Any delay in casting means the ship has moved from its scryed location and the spell fails.

Source Skull & Shackles Player’s Guide
That's why you use Wirewalk over Teleport. Despite it's name, cell phones (aka wireless communication) is included allowing you to beam your self accurately onto moving objects.

soro_lost: The crit was from the Heavy Beam, so Phase Shift Barrier doesn't work against it. Also unless otherwise noted damage multipliers work by D&D scaling so 1/4 guard combined with 1/2 empyreal results in 1/5 damage, not 1/8.
Ahh you should have noted it's beam damage then. Phase Shift doesn't apply but the Beam Coat all Wild Falkens have does.

Also are you sure on the math? Since presumably you're not trying to one hit kill everyone with your impressively balanced homebrew now that your players are attempting to take full advantage of all your little miscellaneous defensive measures buried in various threads. That would seem a little off. With Empyreal, as a standard D&D effect, I have ability to stack it in whatever order I wish which means I can apply it before DR. Then Beam Coat must be applied after DR and Guard explicitly says
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Guard[Super Pilot](20): For 1 round all damage you take is reduced to 1/4, after applying any other reductions you may have. If an effect would ignore this, instead round the damage to 1/3.
So based on your rules text as written at the time of my post Guard cannot be combined with Barrier/Coat like you say.

Anyway that one Heavy attack managed to deal 26% of my mech's HP. I feel it's a little much for one attack, specially when tallied against multiple opponents and I have focused the Mech entirely on HP/defense with an astronomically high AC in a game we're supposed to be the highest leveled, but I suppose it can be said it's a reasonable amount if those enemies burned Spirit on offense to counter their target burning Spirit for defense since I am applying magical defenses to compensate for the magical losses as well.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on July 16, 2018, 06:15:02 PM
soro_lost: The crit was from the Heavy Beam, so Phase Shift Barrier doesn't work against it. Also unless otherwise noted damage multipliers work by D&D scaling so 1/4 guard combined with 1/2 empyreal results in 1/5 damage, not 1/8.

Kuromaiken:
There's some problems with your actions:
-You can't just use regular teleport on unattended objects by themselves, a creature needs to go along.
-Even if you could the disks still need to suffer one point of damage to break and activate the spell inside, and that would demand at least 10 feet of free fall space and your average humanoid's cockpit isn't that spacious.
-It was already discussed that it's not viable to try to teleport anything inside a mecha's cockpit. (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=7174.msg160611;topicseen#msg160611) And case in point if any mage could just reliably teleport stuff like bombs inside cockpits, then this wouldn't be a mecha setting because mechas would just be glorified targets.
(https://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/508/659/8b9.png)
(and even in normal D&D you don't see anybody taking out big monsters just by teleporting nasty stuff inside their stomaches either)
-You really should properly update Murakumo's stats. Your disk launcher will be a hybrid in-built super weapon that throws disks instead of dealing damage.

Yeaaaah, about that...

1) If it's in-built how can it be disarmed, especially considering nanomachines?
2) I don't mind being brought along. I can hold my breath, am currently under the effect of Greater Blink, plus I have Extraordinary Spell Aim so I won't be held down by my own tentacles. Or I could put them on a pull-string timer, use iterative attacks on the remaining disks or something.
3) Yeah, that's why I asked you if Nei had used the Neikapool before - so I knew exactly where the cockpit was.
4) "Gundam 0079 was shoddily animated" is not a valid argument because one, it was aired 39 years ago (and we are using material as late as 2018), and two, even in nebulous MU scale, our mecha DO have semi-consistent size.

Perhaps more to the point, Phantasy Star is not by default a mecha setting, except once PSO2 Episode 4 rolled in (and even then dispatching units on foot seemed a much better option for fighting off eldritch abominations for some reason, even though said eldritch abominations could be as big as a freakin' castle). Even then, there is more evidence for teleporting people into a mecha than against in that setting, especially since they use teleportation circles as elevators (just check the animation for boarding an AIS in the Magatsu Bonus Quest).

Now, if you absolutely MUST cockblock teleporting either people or objects to/from/into a mecha, what I suggest is that you use the Schlock Mercenary solution.

In SM, Teraports (their version of Teleports) basically revolutionized the entire military industry because it flew in the face of the concept of defending airspace. If you can literally fling shit around time and space, you could just teleport nukes around and no amount of point defenses and interception systems would do ZILCH. (Keep in mind that the setting in question uses low-level A.I. to guide missiles around.) In order to enable defensive perimeters, the creator of the Teraport invented (and subsequently became filthy rich off) the TADS, or Teraport Area Denial System, which does exactly what it says on the tin, it projects a field within which Teraports are impossible without proper authorization. The energy required to project and maintain such fields, however (along with miniaturization issues), limits their mobile applications to putting them onboard gigantic mobile weapons platforms called battleplates or keeping them on massive defensive facilities, often on the planet itself, making finding them on such locations near impossible. Breaching a TAD is possible via use of something called a Teraport Cage, which basically connects two previously prepared 'cages' and allows one to walk through them like a portal (however, the other end of the cage must first be deployed on-site, and punching through a TAD requires a lot of energy so you can't bring something bigger than a small tank along). In any case, those are considered proper military-level tech and a buncha pirates would never have a ship big enough to have a cage OR a TADS onboard.

Also, Murakumo has been updated, along with my charsheet. You'll find it is... a bit beefier than it used to be.

EDIT: Mechas aren't alive so comparing them to giant monsters isn't really a good point, especially since they're especially prepared to contain living things.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on July 16, 2018, 06:59:29 PM
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EDIT: Mechas aren't alive so comparing them to giant monsters isn't really a good point, especially since they're especially prepared to contain living things.

Evangelion needs a word.

... so does Getter Robo. Though that's far more robot, it's got a thing about being alive going on.

Great Plating and miniaturisation. What a combo.
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Post by: ketaro on July 16, 2018, 07:31:03 PM
*cough*evaunitsarenotmechas*cough*
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Post by: Raineh Daze on July 16, 2018, 07:49:30 PM
They're in SRW and have pilots. Good enough. :P

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Post by: oslecamo on July 16, 2018, 08:46:29 PM
soro_lost: The crit was from the Heavy Beam, so Phase Shift Barrier doesn't work against it. Also unless otherwise noted damage multipliers work by D&D scaling so 1/4 guard combined with 1/2 empyreal results in 1/5 damage, not 1/8.
Ahh you should have noted it's beam damage then.
There is no beam damage, there is damage from Beam weapons and the enemy specifically called their attack as a Beam.

Phase Shift doesn't apply but the Beam Coat all Wild Falkens have does.
Barriers/coats/Fields do not stack, meaning you can't have both active at a time. If your Phase Shift Barrier is up, the Beam Coat has to be down.

Also are you sure on the math? Since presumably you're not trying to one hit kill everyone with your impressively balanced homebrew now that your players are attempting to take full advantage of all your little miscellaneous defensive measures buried in various threads. That would seem a little off. With Empyreal, as a standard D&D effect, I have ability to stack it in whatever order I wish which means I can apply it before DR.
Then Beam Coat must be applied after DR and Guard explicitly says
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Guard[Super Pilot](20): For 1 round all damage you take is reduced to 1/4, after applying any other reductions you may have. If an effect would ignore this, instead round the damage to 1/3.
So based on your rules text as written at the time of my post Guard cannot be combined with Barrier/Coat like you say.
Silly me, of course the player and not the DM gets to rule how spells work in unclear cases. But ok, I'll let empyreal apply first which just means we need to add the DR reduction to the middle. So first you apply the empyreal for 1/2, then DR, then either Guard for the beam crit (going from 1/2 to 1/5 means 40% damage gets through after DR after empyreal 50%) or Phase Shift Barrier+Guard for the mook attack (going from 1/2 to 1/6 means  34% (rounding up for your benefit) damage gets through after DR after empyreal 50%).

Here, I'll even give you the final results for this round:
-Baha takes 16 damage since they lack DR themselves.
-Your mecha takes 7,14+ 65,4 damage, round down for 72 damage total.

Now considering how long it took me to type this down and I usually expect to be paid actual money to do math nowadays, this particular discussion is over. You have your final damage result, I trust you at least can do the subtraction from your HP values.

Anyway that one Heavy attack managed to deal 26% of my mech's HP. I feel it's a little much for one attack, specially when tallied against multiple opponents and I have focused the Mech entirely on HP/defense with an astronomically high AC in a game we're supposed to be the highest leveled, but I suppose it can be said it's a reasonable amount if those enemies burned Spirit on offense to counter their target burning Spirit for defense since I am applying magical defenses to compensate for the magical losses as well.

You also aggroed two enemy groups when you may've been fighting just one and may've even got one group as allies against the other. Baha also got unlucky with taking a confirmed crit from a high multiplier weapon, but that's RNG for you.

Yeaaaah, about that...

1) If it's in-built how can it be disarmed, especially considering nanomachines?
2) I don't mind being brought along. I can hold my breath, am currently under the effect of Greater Blink, plus I have Extraordinary Spell Aim so I won't be held down by my own tentacles. Or I could put them on a pull-string timer, use iterative attacks on the remaining disks or something.
3) Yeah, that's why I asked you if Nei had used the Neikapool before - so I knew exactly where the cockpit was.
4) "Gundam 0079 was shoddily animated" is not a valid argument because one, it was aired 39 years ago (and we are using material as late as 2018), and two, even in nebulous MU scale, our mecha DO have semi-consistent size.
1) Yes, Raineh had that same question for this round.
2) and 3) Teleporting anything into cockpits just doesn't work, point.
4) Behold the Gundam Barbatos from the last serious (non-gunpla) Gundam series:
(https://imgur.com/eypFO5m.png)
(funnels were drawn in by paint, can't find the original pic at moment but otherwise you can see that shoddy scales remains a mecha constant).

Perhaps more to the point, Phantasy Star is not by default a mecha setting, except once PSO2 Episode 4 rolled in (and even then dispatching units on foot seemed a much better option for fighting off eldritch abominations for some reason, even though said eldritch abominations could be as big as a freakin' castle). Even then, there is more evidence for teleporting people into a mecha than against in that setting, especially since they use teleportation circles as elevators (just check the animation for boarding an AIS in the Magatsu Bonus Quest).
Yet when in Phantasy Star you have to fight giant robots/battleships, the solution is never "we'll just teleport a bomb inside them and call it a day".

Anyway in case I hadn't been clear enough yet, this setting is a custom mix of Phantasy Star and assorted mecha series. In particular I'm pretty sure Nei wasn't your ex-girlfriend in the original series. And even if she was, her natural life expectancy was 3 years as a prototype newearl so even if nothing had happened to her she would've died of old age by now.

Now, if you absolutely MUST cockblock teleporting either people or objects to/from/into a mecha, what I suggest is that you use the Schlock Mercenary solution.

In SM, Teraports (their version of Teleports) basically revolutionized the entire military industry because it flew in the face of the concept of defending airspace. If you can literally fling shit around time and space, you could just teleport nukes around and no amount of point defenses and interception systems would do ZILCH. (Keep in mind that the setting in question uses low-level A.I. to guide missiles around.) In order to enable defensive perimeters, the creator of the Teraport invented (and subsequently became filthy rich off) the TADS, or Teraport Area Denial System, which does exactly what it says on the tin, it projects a field within which Teraports are impossible without proper authorization. The energy required to project and maintain such fields, however (along with miniaturization issues), limits their mobile applications to putting them onboard gigantic mobile weapons platforms called battleplates or keeping them on massive defensive facilities, often on the planet itself, making finding them on such locations near impossible. Breaching a TAD is possible via use of something called a Teraport Cage, which basically connects two previously prepared 'cages' and allows one to walk through them like a portal (however, the other end of the cage must first be deployed on-site, and punching through a TAD requires a lot of energy so you can't bring something bigger than a small tank along). In any case, those are considered proper military-level tech and a buncha pirates would never have a ship big enough to have a cage OR a TADS onboard.
Well you just pointed out why that isn't a solution. By mecha standards when mecha pirates show up, the solution should be to send your own mechas, not "lol just teleport bombs inside their cockpits".

Some people confuse mecha with hard sci-fi. It's not. Mecha is rule of cool first and foremost, and just sniping cool mechas by teleporting nasty stuff inside their cockpits is not cool.

Also, Murakumo has been updated, along with my charsheet. You'll find it is... a bit beefier than it used to be.
Thank you, I'll take a closer look when I have the time.

EDIT: Mechas aren't alive so comparing them to giant monsters isn't really a good point, especially since they're especially prepared to contain living things.

Monster with Swallow Whole clearly have plenty of space, and as pointed out some mecha series are literally "we'll take this giant monster and add a bunch of plating and a cockpit to it".
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Post by: Raineh Daze on July 16, 2018, 08:51:17 PM
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Some people confuse mecha with hard sci-fi. It's not. Mecha is rule of cool first and foremost, and just sniping cool mechas by teleporting nasty stuff inside their cockpits is not cool.

The Orks in 40k have a gun that works by teleporting living things into the opponent. Telefragging as a weapon is pretty cool. :p
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Post by: oslecamo on July 16, 2018, 08:57:28 PM
It also has a really short range (half a basic rifle) and uses ork akuraccy so good luck actually hitting a mecha let alone the cockpit. More of silly orks than cool factor. :P
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Post by: Raineh Daze on July 16, 2018, 09:14:27 PM
Ah, but the orks have a perfect counter to accuracy problems: just shoot more!

Though the result is just armour piercing if you think about it, it's still a funny one.
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Post by: oslecamo on July 16, 2018, 09:56:10 PM
Emphasis on "funny", since it's always been literally a joke weapon that's just not that efficient compared to simply spamming rokkits or charging closer for melee.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on July 16, 2018, 11:42:07 PM
OK, I'm gonna take that as "nanomachines rebuild it from scratch".

If we're running on rule of cool, then I get to teleport into my own mecha even if you won't let me teleport things into other mecha. Because Hugo is too cool to board his mecha normally. He'd rather go Grahf-style if he can help it.

I have no idea how much damage Murakumo actually took on that last round because I have no clue whether he had to deploy his AT field or if it's a "by default it's on and you can switch it on and off" kinda thing. After 33 DR, that leaves... 89 damage, which the AT Field cuts by 40%, so that's less 35 damage or less 36 damage if you round up. Then add regeneration, which I rolled for already, that's 27 healed, leaving Murakumo at... 270 or 269/295 damage if AT Fields on, or 233/295 if not.

EDIT: Keep in mind "aiming at the cockpit from orbit" is a perfectly usable strategy and is also profoundly uncool. I'd just be making her cockpit slimy and water-filled.
EDIT2: Also, since funnels consume 0 energy to deploy or keep in place, from now on assume Hugo ALWAYS DEPLOYS HIS FUNNELS AS SOON AS HE TAKES OFF because there is absolutely no reason why he would want to give the enemy a chance to get a free shot in.
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Post by: oslecamo on July 17, 2018, 03:55:05 AM
OK, I'm gonna take that as "nanomachines rebuild it from scratch".
Eventually maybe, but if you want to use it this turn you'll need to pick the disarmed one up again.

If we're running on rule of cool, then I get to teleport into my own mecha even if you won't let me teleport things into other mecha. Because Hugo is too cool to board his mecha normally. He'd rather go Grahf-style if he can help it.
Teleporting to your own mecha is fine, although that will still cost you a standard action to break a disk on yourself since you're in the middle of a beach so no fancy support systems.

I have no idea how much damage Murakumo actually took on that last round because I have no clue whether he had to deploy his AT field or if it's a "by default it's on and you can switch it on and off" kinda thing. After 33 DR, that leaves... 89 damage, which the AT Field cuts by 40%, so that's less 35 damage or less 36 damage if you round up. Then add regeneration, which I rolled for already, that's 27 healed, leaving Murakumo at... 270 or 269/295 damage if AT Fields on, or 233/295 if not.
Barriers/fields can be assumed to be on by default, but the damage is rending as it came from the Heavy Beam, sorry for forgetting to add that to the IC post.

Also please pick your couple invulnerabilities from your Absolute Barrier picks.

EDIT: Keep in mind "aiming at the cockpit from orbit" is a perfectly usable strategy and is also profoundly uncool.
Orbital attacks are cool enough to show up in multiple Gundam shows and several non-gundam ones as well. Heck, even a James Bond movie did it.

I'd just be making her cockpit slimy and water-filled.
(implying it isn't already slimy and water-filled)  :plotting

EDIT2: Also, since funnels consume 0 energy to deploy or keep in place, from now on assume Hugo ALWAYS DEPLOYS HIS FUNNELS AS SOON AS HE TAKES OFF because there is absolutely no reason why he would want to give the enemy a chance to get a free shot in.
They cost 5 energy per round they're out plus a swift action from Hugo himself to actually move around and/or do other stuff.

Also trying to talk your way out of a situation was be a perfectly valid situation for not having your funnels deployed. :p
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Post by: Raineh Daze on July 17, 2018, 04:48:23 AM
This proves the greatest feature of I Am Invincible! is its ability to permit dramatic mecha entrances at any time.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on July 17, 2018, 11:24:52 AM
Barriers/coats/Fields do not stack, meaning you can't have both active at a time. If your Phase Shift Barrier is up, the Beam Coat has to be down.
DR 5/magic doesn't stack with DR 5/silver, but you can still benefit from both at the same time. Kind of strange you can only project one force field and it completely removes the visual of an uber attack shattering through multiple barriers.

But ok, I'll let empyreal apply first which just means we need to add the DR reduction to the middle.

1. So first you apply the empyreal for 1/2, So 337-50%=168.5
2. then DR, Then 168.5-5=163.5
3a. then either Guard for the beam crit (going from 1/2 to 1/5 means 40% damage gets through after DR after empyreal 50% 168.5-60%, because only 40% gets through, =67.4
3b or Phase Shift Barrier+Guard for the mook attack (going from 1/2 to 1/6 means  34% (rounding up for your benefit) damage gets through after DR after empyreal 50%). 168.5-66%, because only 34% gets through, =57.29

Here, I'll even give you the final results for this round:
-Baha takes 16 damage since they lack DR themselves. Baha has DR 5/Good & Chaotic and DR 20/Magic, idk if Mecha counts as Magic but that's not the same as having no DR.
-Your mecha takes 7,14+ 65,4 damage, round down for 72 damage total. 7,14+65,4? And how did you get 72?

Now considering how long it took me to type this down and I usually expect to be paid actual money to do math nowadays, this particular discussion is over. Until Baha is attacked again, then we can have this conversation again until I do can split one number into two sets of comma split values, ignore some numbers, and come up with your end totals.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on July 17, 2018, 11:47:19 AM
Ugh...

Osle, I have to say it is becoming increasingly frustrating to try any kind of defensive measure in this campaign. I try miss chances, people bypass it by ignoring them with whatever, or by pulling Force damage out of their asses. I try AT Fields, NOPE! Rending damage. I try to do something meaningful with spells, and not only do you tell me "nope, because that ruins the flavor of the campaign", you tell me TO MY FACE WITH A MEME that my character concept is worthless in your eyes.

It feels like the only way to do anything truly meaningful in this campaign is to use your increasingly convoluted homebrew to become an apocalyptic monstrosity (and praying that you don't spot the combination and later nerf it). Dude, throw me a freaking bone here.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on July 17, 2018, 08:01:11 PM
I mean... ignoring miss chances and rending is something I've been doing since the beginning of the campaign. Not that my survival has been much better.

Spirits and counters seem like the only actually functional defence in the system, short of stacking every ablative defence the damage is too high otherwise. Just seems to be how things have worked out the whole time.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on July 17, 2018, 11:11:24 PM
I mean... ignoring miss chances and rending is something I've been doing since the beginning of the campaign. Not that my survival has been much better.

Spirits and counters seem like the only actually functional defence in the system, short of stacking every ablative defence the damage is too high otherwise. Just seems to be how things have worked out the whole time.
My point exactly.

An attack that's supposed to 'just scratch' my ride deals a little over 21% of its total, after regeneration. And I actually made it a point to stack ALMOST every ablative possible (the only thing I DIDN'T do was make it as ginormous as possible, which would add DR but reduce AC to a point that's undesirable). Unless of course AT Field works, in which case it deals a little over 8% after regen.

To reiterate: this is supposed to be practically a stray shot at something that I built to be as beefy as possible within the confines of a class and it still takes a not-insignificant amount of damage.

It feels almost like I should have picked Alertness as a bonus feat.
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Post by: oslecamo on July 18, 2018, 05:37:21 AM
Barriers/coats/Fields do not stack, meaning you can't have both active at a time. If your Phase Shift Barrier is up, the Beam Coat has to be down.
DR 5/magic doesn't stack with DR 5/silver, but you can still benefit from both at the same time. Kind of strange you can only project one force field and it completely removes the visual of an uber attack shattering through multiple barriers.
Different barriers interfere with each others. Doesn't mean a single barrier can't be composed of multiple layers like advanced shields and plates are also composed of multiple layers but still count as a single piece of protection each.

Ugh...

Osle, I have to say it is becoming increasingly frustrating to try any kind of defensive measure in this campaign. I try miss chances, people bypass it by ignoring them with whatever, or by pulling Force damage out of their asses. I try AT Fields, NOPE! Rending damage. I try to do something meaningful with spells, and not only do you tell me "nope, because that ruins the flavor of the campaign", you tell me TO MY FACE WITH A MEME that my character concept is worthless in your eyes.

It feels like the only way to do anything truly meaningful in this campaign is to use your increasingly convoluted homebrew to become an apocalyptic monstrosity (and praying that you don't spot the combination and later nerf it). Dude, throw me a freaking bone here.

Rending doesn't ignore barriers, only half your DR. Mecha weapons dealing force damage has been default since the start.

Also you'll notice that in this battle most attacks aren't ignoring miss chances, both Katherine and Baha have evaded several blows thanks to their own miss chances. Different enemies have different tricks.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but your character concept is freelancer secret agent extraordinaire first and mage second. I've been letting you have a lot of free reign with that between pulling secret bases out of your ass plus stuff like micro-bombs to blackmail prisioners and building your own minion force with about zero actual diplomacy rolls if I remember correctly. Heck, when one thinks about it most of the time you've rather seeked to solve non-battle problems with tech gadgets rather than any actual magic. Even now every round this battle last is another round of distraction for your purple maid to pick up more information from inside the cloning facility, so even if you end up teleporting away you'll have gained valuable information.

Of course it would help if you reigned back a bit on the " I'll summon an indeterminated number of monsters and then give the DM extra  work by making them roll their attacks".  :p

EDIT: And since we're here we may as well hammer down your disk launcher properly:
-It'll take one upgrade point for the disk launcher itself. This allows you to either throw them as improvised weapons (10 mu range increment) or try to hit somebody in melee.
-If you want bigger range, you can take the Dynamic upgrade for base range 50 mu.
-Scatter rules will be used if you miss disk attack rolls.
-You may throw several disks in a "bundle" at the same target with a single attack, but only up to your Dex mod representing Hugo's hand dexterity for picking the right stuff in the run.
-I'm open to negotiate the above details.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on July 18, 2018, 11:39:44 AM
Hey, I could have just as easily picked Leadership or something and handwaved away the secret base stuff much in the same fashion Baha has her own organization. I'd just call them my subordinates.  :P

You could've just asked me to roll those, you know. They lasted all of a single round. And either way, just because that's only half my character concept doesn't mean you have to diss it.

I'll recalculate the damage then. I was confused by your wording in your post assuming it somehow tore through the AT Field too.

As for the Disk Launcher...

-I don't mind it costing an upgrade point. Hey, while we're at it, we can think of extra upgrade options for it.
-That range is... pretty atrocious. For a weapon that's supposed to be specialized at doing one thing (it's not even damage!), treating it as an improvised throw is pretty bad... I'm sure we can do better. (It's not like there's good reason to ever "throw" a disk into melee either. even by using maneuvers with it...)
-OK with scatter rules.That actually makes it even more useful for area of effect stuff.
-I get the idea of trying to limit the number of disks thrown per round, but you'll remember Hugo tends to use predetermined "configurations" (I'm the one who ends up picking them on the run). So let's say he could save up to Int mod in "configurations" (this is a mage weapon after all and Int is related to remembering stuff) with up to four disks per configuration (later upgrades could increase that amount), or up to his Dex mod for on-the-fly stuff.
-The existence of the Disk Launcher does not preclude the ability to draw disks by themselves (which benefits from the Quick Draw feat). This should still allow Hugo to use the quickdraw+Telekinesis combo (it takes him a full round to set up, plus it's a fairly limited range, so it shouldn't be an issue, right?).
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Post by: oslecamo on July 19, 2018, 01:00:20 AM
Hey, I could have just as easily picked Leadership or something and handwaved away the secret base stuff much in the same fashion Baha has her own organization. I'd just call them my subordinates.  :P
Baha actually has Leadership and an huge Cha score, Hugo has 10. :P

You could've just asked me to roll those, you know. They lasted all of a single round. And either way, just because that's only half my character concept doesn't mean you have to diss it.
Nothing personal, it's from the SRW d20 basic rules thread actually, even the wiki (http://srwd20.wikia.com/wiki/Basic_Rules) does it.

I'll recalculate the damage then. I was confused by your wording in your post assuming it somehow tore through the AT Field too.

As for the Disk Launcher...

-I don't mind it costing an upgrade point. Hey, while we're at it, we can think of extra upgrade options for it.
-That range is... pretty atrocious. For a weapon that's supposed to be specialized at doing one thing (it's not even damage!), treating it as an improvised throw is pretty bad... I'm sure we can do better. (It's not like there's good reason to ever "throw" a disk into melee either. even by using maneuvers with it...)
Remember that Dynamic wouldn't make it count as improvised anymore plus the 50 mu is just the base range, and you can increase it by taking a -2 penalty for each extra range increment like other ranged weapons, so you could go up to 500 mu.

Also multi-buffing by itself is already pretty boss.

-OK with scatter rules.That actually makes it even more useful for area of effect stuff.
-I get the idea of trying to limit the number of disks thrown per round, but you'll remember Hugo tends to use predetermined "configurations" (I'm the one who ends up picking them on the run). So let's say he could save up to Int mod in "configurations" (this is a mage weapon after all and Int is related to remembering stuff) with up to four disks per configuration (later upgrades could increase that amount), or up to his Dex mod for on-the-fly stuff.
I'm willing to try that out for now.

-The existence of the Disk Launcher does not preclude the ability to draw disks by themselves (which benefits from the Quick Draw feat). This should still allow Hugo to use the quickdraw+Telekinesis combo (it takes him a full round to set up, plus it's a fairly limited range, so it shouldn't be an issue, right?).
Each individual disk counts as an object, no counting bundles as a single object for telekinesis.

Also as already done before, since the disks are physical objects they're vulnerable to be intercepted by defensive weapons.

(https://imgur.com/HwW2i2A.jpg)
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Post by: Kuroimaken on July 19, 2018, 11:24:34 AM
Not a problem with not counting bundles as single objects.

Also not a problem with them being subject to interception by point defense. I'll just apply Invisible Spell to the giant sized variety.  :P

EDIT: Any word on a to-hit mod for the launcher?
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Post by: oslecamo on July 20, 2018, 03:42:45 AM
Base +0 to hit, there's the targeting upgrade for increasing acuraccy with super robots.

Also you're extremely optimistic for hoping that enemies at this level don't have any any anti-invisibility measures, at least for close range. :p
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Post by: Kuroimaken on July 20, 2018, 01:28:23 PM
I'll just have to look for anti-countermeasures countermeasures then, probably yet another upgrade to my systems, just like undetectable for Super Robots.

(Also, if we had some more options for optimizing smaller Super Robots, that'd be great)
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Post by: oslecamo on July 20, 2018, 08:12:26 PM
There's the Counter-Counter Measures 6th level stance from Missile Massacre, we may count your disks as missiles since both can be intercepted.

There's also Tek Knight to buff smaller supers.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on July 22, 2018, 11:17:39 AM
Can I even get access to Missile Massacre as a Super Pilot? I have no idea how access to these new schools work, and SP only lists Burning Justice and Into the Danger Zone.

EDIT: Reading over Tek Knight the options have too severe drawbacks for my tastes, but Missile Massacre seems like a really good school.
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Post by: oslecamo on July 22, 2018, 07:23:08 PM
As a super pilot you can pick one other school besides Burning Justice. Missile Massacre can be swapped for any of the base schools of a pilot class as described at the start of the school itself. Or you can go for martial study and martial stance feats.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on July 22, 2018, 08:26:31 PM
Why would I want to pick some other mecha school.
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Post by: ketaro on July 22, 2018, 08:33:12 PM
Why would I want to pick some other mecha school.

For science

(Will work on post when I get home tonight x.x)
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Post by: ketaro on July 22, 2018, 11:09:06 PM
The disarm spamming it getting kinda disgusting this fight.

As an aside, why is it not any more difficult to disarm a weapon physically built into a mecha than it is to regular disarm a weapon that is merely held in hand? I mean, imo, if disarming a built-in weapon is possible, its kind of akin to trying to disarm a weapon from a locked gauntlet or something, no?
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Post by: Raineh Daze on July 22, 2018, 11:26:29 PM
Well, to a degree it makes sense because mecha have a tendency to lose arms and everything else.

But then it goes back to 3.X being all about size for combat manoeuvres and the best way to deal with them is to be big. And if you throw enough attempts in, eventually there's a fail... which is a pretty big deal when it comes to how limited weapon replacement is.
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Post by: oslecamo on July 22, 2018, 11:55:58 PM
As an aside, why is it not any more difficult to disarm a weapon physically built into a mecha than it is to regular disarm a weapon that is merely held in hand? I mean, imo, if disarming a built-in weapon is possible, its kind of akin to trying to disarm a weapon from a locked gauntlet or something, no?

A not-in-built weapon isn't "merely held in hand", it's tightly clamped by metal manipulators that were designed specifically for that purpose. If you can pull a weapon from that, pulling a weapon physically built into a mecha isn't really harder.

In mecha battles "disarming" should be taken to the literal sense that a limb's been chopped off. As talked previously it's a staple of mecha shows, giant robots get bits chopped off left, right and center. Luckily mechas don't bleed off and even a chopped limb can be quickly fixed in a base or even jury-rig something on the scene (move action to "pick up" disarmed weapon).

Also again rule of cool, mechas holding weapons in hand should be as viable as leg missiles and shoulder cannons and whatnot.

Well, to a degree it makes sense because mecha have a tendency to lose arms and everything else.

But then it goes back to 3.X being all about size for combat manoeuvres and the best way to deal with them is to be big. And if you throw enough attempts in, eventually there's a fail... which is a pretty big deal when it comes to how limited weapon replacement is.

Cough Tek Knight cough. Also Gun Maniac and Martial Machine have some maneuvers to help make up for size differences plus some T.O.U.H.O.U. stuff.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on July 23, 2018, 12:04:23 AM
There will come a day where I look into all the small-sized options properly, and construct a fine-sized character in a mecha-fine mecha.
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Post by: ketaro on July 23, 2018, 12:17:54 AM
Like wtf is up with this dice roller  :banghead
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Post by: Kuroimaken on July 23, 2018, 01:26:23 AM
As an aside, why is it not any more difficult to disarm a weapon physically built into a mecha than it is to regular disarm a weapon that is merely held in hand? I mean, imo, if disarming a built-in weapon is possible, its kind of akin to trying to disarm a weapon from a locked gauntlet or something, no?

A not-in-built weapon isn't "merely held in hand", it's tightly clamped by metal manipulators that were designed specifically for that purpose. If you can pull a weapon from that, pulling a weapon physically built into a mecha isn't really harder.

In mecha battles "disarming" should be taken to the literal sense that a limb's been chopped off. As talked previously it's a staple of mecha shows, giant robots get bits chopped off left, right and center. Luckily mechas don't bleed off and even a chopped limb can be quickly fixed in a base or even jury-rig something on the scene (move action to "pick up" disarmed weapon).

Also again rule of cool, mechas holding weapons in hand should be as viable as leg missiles and shoulder cannons and whatnot.

Well, to a degree it makes sense because mecha have a tendency to lose arms and everything else.

But then it goes back to 3.X being all about size for combat manoeuvres and the best way to deal with them is to be big. And if you throw enough attempts in, eventually there's a fail... which is a pretty big deal when it comes to how limited weapon replacement is.

Cough Tek Knight cough. Also Gun Maniac and Martial Machine have some maneuvers to help make up for size differences plus some T.O.U.H.O.U. stuff.

And that is, in point of fact, the only REALLY good option for Tek Knight...

No, seriously, it has the least hideous drawbacks. If you're looking to maximize combat maneuvers as a tiny mecha you're probably getting up close and personal anyways, so arsenal halving is just *shrug*. Point for point some of that stuff is just not worth it. Great Plating and whatnot is a really nice option, why? Because when your Dodge bonus is 0, then you don't care that it gets cut in half. By contrast, consider Tek Reactor, which gives you +40 energy but halves your spirit points, at a whoopin' 4 point cost. In order to make full use of size benefits, you'd have to invest 8 points in it for a total of +75 max energy. By contrast, for 5 points, you could have Reactor 2, which would get you an average 11 points of energy each round with no drawbacks and spare you three upgrade points. Taking Tek Reactor effectively makes certain higher-level Super spirits unusable. Tek Soul, by contrast, makes some low-level spirits spammable (sort of), but max HP in half is... yeesh. Better hope no one gets through your every-single-round Alert, buddy. Tek Storage is... okay, I guess? Sort of? I mean, if you want to be a tiny, tiny kinetic weapons platform, then the energy halving isn't so bad. I honestly don't understand why you can't have Nanomachines along with it (Mysterious Power makes sense though, since less energy is less of a problem if every round regen is making up for it).
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Post by: oslecamo on July 23, 2018, 02:43:05 AM
Soro_Lost: Please roll for the deflected attack using your ranged bonus.

Kuroimaken: I'm replying to the matter of Tek Knight in the SRW general discussion (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=18552.new#new) since it's more of a homebrew matter than campaign specific and it'll allow other people interested in SRW d20 to chime in.

Also you need to update your IC post with valid actions.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on July 23, 2018, 09:32:31 AM
For the sake of expediency, assume I broke like four disks to buff and reposition myself. I'll pick the exact spells later.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on July 23, 2018, 10:21:48 AM
Soro_Lost: Please roll for the deflected attack using your ranged bonus.
I got a 34. What a ride this week.
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Post by: oslecamo on August 07, 2018, 08:16:23 AM
Apologies for my delay but RL keeps getting in the way and can't really get in-character for anything. Probably will only be able to post anything campaign-related in 1-2 weeks.
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on August 08, 2018, 02:46:32 PM
Sorry I been distracted lately, will get to posting again. Also wanted to wait until I've finished stuff concerning NPC before doing so.
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Post by: oslecamo on August 22, 2018, 06:07:13 AM
Anomander:
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Post by: ketaro on August 22, 2018, 07:27:29 AM
The only part of that assault against Kat that I actually feel might be defeating me is that absolute information overload I can't figure out how to process this wall of text.

What is she doing, dodging Kat's point cause "there's worse ppl than me out there"?  :lmao

I've definitely got to admit though, I think I just lost all motivation to fight right now haha -_-'
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Post by: SorO_Lost on August 22, 2018, 10:33:22 AM
The only part of that assault against Kat that I actually feel might be defeating me is that absolute information overload I can't figure out how to process this wall of text.
There is a lot going on and like in the middle of it we're getting plot exposition and NPC backstory that blames Hugo for like, everything wrong with her life. What an ex amiright?

Now I get to figure out some calculus before vacation if I can.

Edit - You know, I'm sensing a recurring theme here.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on August 22, 2018, 02:43:32 PM
Osle, it's fine if Nei is wrong about all those, but puh-leeze don't blame Dark Force's ressurrection on Hugo. We all know the one behind that clusterfuck is Red Ring Rico, and Hugo didn't get to tap THAT ass.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on August 22, 2018, 05:09:53 PM
I'll attempt to parse what the hell's going on in dialogue when not in the middle of dissertation writing. Should be some time this weekend.
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Post by: oslecamo on August 23, 2018, 04:45:15 AM
The only part of that assault against Kat that I actually feel might be defeating me is that absolute information overload I can't figure out how to process this wall of text.

What is she doing, dodging Kat's point cause "there's worse ppl than me out there"?  :lmao

I've definitely got to admit though, I think I just lost all motivation to fight right now haha -_-'

It was supposed to be Nei pointing out that there's more shades of grey than white and black and every conflict has casualities one way or the other, but seems to have done the trick of calming down Katherine.

The only part of that assault against Kat that I actually feel might be defeating me is that absolute information overload I can't figure out how to process this wall of text.
There is a lot going on and like in the middle of it we're getting plot exposition and NPC backstory that blames Hugo for like, everything wrong with her life. What an ex amiright?

Now I get to figure out some calculus before vacation if I can.

Edit - You know, I'm sensing a recurring theme here.


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Osle, it's fine if Nei is wrong about all those, but puh-leeze don't blame Dark Force's ressurrection on Hugo. We all know the one behind that clusterfuck is Red Ring Rico, and Hugo didn't get to tap THAT ass.

Wait, you're not claiming that one?   :o

Then you have found a new secondary quest objective, get your Nei and Red Ring Rica together to talk it out (RRR's hanging with the rest of the party BTW).

Also I don't see how your swift etherealness would work to get inside a cockpit. Even ignoring the part where you'll take a bunch of Aoos from mecha weapons along the way besides anybody using any immediate actions, Murakumo and Hugo are going ethereal at the same time. Thus Hugo still needs a move action to exit Murakumo, and Hugo spent a standard action getting inside Murakumo and at least another action closing the distance so you're already at negative actions before worrying about needing to enter Nei's cockpit and you still need to spend at least another action for self-buffing. You're taking way too many actions in a single round and don't even have Zeal as a known spirit.

I'll attempt to parse what the hell's going on in dialogue when not in the middle of dissertation writing. Should be some time this weekend.

Dissertation first of course. I finally "lucked" out in having finished the writing for my previous work and the lab equipment for the next work being in need of repair so yay couple "free" days. :)
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Post by: ketaro on August 23, 2018, 06:27:05 AM
I feel like Hugo's turn could be made to work if he actually was just screwing around with illusions. Illusions have infinite actions  :lmao
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Post by: Raineh Daze on August 23, 2018, 12:24:02 PM
One thing I'll ask now:

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Then 30+32+32+33+31 damage all rending.

Do these count as separate attacks? I want to know if That Won't Work Twice would block the latter four.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on August 23, 2018, 01:46:55 PM
The only part of that assault against Kat that I actually feel might be defeating me is that absolute information overload I can't figure out how to process this wall of text.

What is she doing, dodging Kat's point cause "there's worse ppl than me out there"?  :lmao

I've definitely got to admit though, I think I just lost all motivation to fight right now haha -_-'

It was supposed to be Nei pointing out that there's more shades of grey than white and black and every conflict has casualities one way or the other, but seems to have done the trick of calming down Katherine.

The only part of that assault against Kat that I actually feel might be defeating me is that absolute information overload I can't figure out how to process this wall of text.
There is a lot going on and like in the middle of it we're getting plot exposition and NPC backstory that blames Hugo for like, everything wrong with her life. What an ex amiright?

Now I get to figure out some calculus before vacation if I can.

Edit - You know, I'm sensing a recurring theme here.


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Osle, it's fine if Nei is wrong about all those, but puh-leeze don't blame Dark Force's ressurrection on Hugo. We all know the one behind that clusterfuck is Red Ring Rico, and Hugo didn't get to tap THAT ass.

Wait, you're not claiming that one?   :o

Then you have found a new secondary quest objective, get your Nei and Red Ring Rica together to talk it out (RRR's hanging with the rest of the party BTW).

Also I don't see how your swift etherealness would work to get inside a cockpit. Even ignoring the part where you'll take a bunch of Aoos from mecha weapons along the way besides anybody using any immediate actions, Murakumo and Hugo are going ethereal at the same time. Thus Hugo still needs a move action to exit Murakumo, and Hugo spent a standard action getting inside Murakumo and at least another action closing the distance so you're already at negative actions before worrying about needing to enter Nei's cockpit and you still need to spend at least another action for self-buffing. You're taking way too many actions in a single round and don't even have Zeal as a known spirit.

I'll attempt to parse what the hell's going on in dialogue when not in the middle of dissertation writing. Should be some time this weekend.

Dissertation first of course. I finally "lucked" out in having finished the writing for my previous work and the lab equipment for the next work being in need of repair so yay couple "free" days. :)

Your mistake lies in assuming Hugo was inside Murakumo at the start of his action.

IF he could somehow remotely see through his illusions (he can't, unless there's an illusion spell that can do that at his current level) then he'd just use an illusion to get through to Nei instead. He could also use a standard to teleport right up in front of the Neikapool's cockpit (via free action drawing disk + standard to break it) and his move to 'walk' into the cockpit proper (between, say, expeditious retreat + Haste and/or a shitton of other movement enhancers I think he can still make it). Alert would take care of any (one) AoOs he might incur on the way.

Now see, there's probably a dozen ways to do this via spells without Hugo having to invent new spy gear for that specific purpose, and I just don't feel like going through each and every one of them to slow down the resolution of this turn for you to shoot down every one.

As for Murakumo's actions, he's sentient and shares Hugo's IQ, meaning he knows what to do by himself.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on August 23, 2018, 04:48:47 PM
C'mon, even if your mecha gets wrecked Baha will be perfectly fine, that's a significant part of the the fun of mecha. You even took Expendable Machine.
I took Expendable Machine because I didn't want to be permanently penalized for your "fun of mecha".

Also your Guard's secondary clause would still trigger reducing damage to 1/3 for that hit.
That's actually nice, with Defend/Reflex stacking as it should maybe only the last attack would hit Baha, barring w/e escape pods do, and it'll be reduced enough s/he'll survive it.

Exact numbers will have to wait a bit, on a 24 and I start vacation tomorrow.
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Post by: oslecamo on August 23, 2018, 07:27:21 PM
One thing I'll ask now:

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Then 30+32+32+33+31 damage all rending.

Do these count as separate attacks? I want to know if That Won't Work Twice would block the latter four.
They are, but That Won't Work Twice doesn't work against attacks you're being hit in the current round, only the previous.

Your mistake lies in assuming Hugo was inside Murakumo at the start of his action.
Geez, I wonder why.

If we're running on rule of cool, then I get to teleport into my own mecha even if you won't let me teleport things into other mecha.

But back to the present.

IF he could somehow remotely see through his illusions (he can't, unless there's an illusion spell that can do that at his current level) then he'd just use an illusion to get through to Nei instead. He could also use a standard to teleport right up in front of the Neikapool's cockpit (via free action drawing disk + standard to break it) and his move to 'walk' into the cockpit proper (between, say, expeditious retreat + Haste and/or a shitton of other movement enhancers I think he can still make it). Alert would take care of any (one) AoOs he might incur on the way.

Now see, there's probably a dozen ways to do this via spells without Hugo having to invent new spy gear for that specific purpose, and I just don't feel like going through each and every one of them to slow down the resolution of this turn for you to shoot down every one.
However you don't get a dozen ways in a single round, you got one way. Had one way. You had over a month of real-time to think of something specific for your turn and this is the best you came up with:

For the sake of expediency, assume I broke like four disks to buff and reposition myself. I'll pick the exact spells later.
You only said you were only using disk magic to reposition yourself meaning only teleport. Hugo didn't declare any move actions, so at best now he's standing in the middle of a mecha battle. With no spirits active. Mind you this is still your round so you can go change your current actions to try your ethereal move trick now, specifying exactly which spells you're gonna use, but then you'll have to wait for the reactions of Nei and her crew.

As for Murakumo's actions, he's sentient and shares Hugo's IQ, meaning he knows what to do by himself.

You still need to declare his actions.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on August 23, 2018, 09:25:12 PM
You're missing a far more important point here, Osle: namely, that this is at LEAST the second round in which you say "dude you can't do that" and explicitly block my actions. Or rather, this is actually the continuation of the first round in which you did that.

Now, I'm telling you there are myriad ways to accomplish the exact same effect as I'm doing now (one of my personal favorites is using Limited Wish to give me the ability to see via my illusions temporarily since, as Ketaro mentioned, illusions have infinite actions). I'm not even doing something outrageous like one-shotting a character, I'm only having him use his class abilities to move in close so he can talk to someone. I could use DD to move in close to Nei's cockpit and then use my move to enter her cockpit while Murakumo supports me by making a bazillion identical Hugos show up on the battlefield that are still at least as real as me and therefore not as easily dismissable as illusions. I could use Limited Wish to force Nei to fail her save against teleportation while sending in a single teleport disk via Murakumo and throwing her into the goddamn ocean, or even simpler, forcing her to fail a save against Suggestion to tell her to get out of the cockpit.

You can argue "mecha master race" all you want, but for fuck's sake, would you quit arbitrarily nerfing my character and instead accept that I'm doing stuff he can totally do by the rules?

Yes, mecha shows don't ordinarily have D&D wizards, we get it. This one does. I'm not even doing tier 2 and above stuff like breaking the action economy. I have in point of fact made it a point to play Hugo more to his concept than his mechanical advantages. I'm doing that PRECISELY to avoid stressing everybody out with endless arguments.

All I'm asking in return is: let me do the shit I want to do, make me roll some dice if you have to, just don't outright block me.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on August 23, 2018, 10:12:42 PM
@Kuro, this is also the second time you tried jumping into someone's cockpit in a row so your imaginary character could put his imaginary hands all over an imaginary women.

Forgot Ols's vague description of mechs, treat them as worn armor with an extra HP pool like they are supposed to be. There is no such mechanical thing as moving into the cockpit, you can only move into Nei's space exactly like an incorp Shadow can move into a horse's space. You target, and interact, with the entire sum because it is one creature and that is all. In otherwards, you can't target Nei's separate body becuase the mech is part of her body.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on August 23, 2018, 10:20:23 PM
Jumping into a cockpit specifically seems like a good way to jump into a wall. Often you're barely going to have room for one person, so trying to teleport without occupying the same space as someone else would be... trouble. <_>
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Post by: Kuroimaken on August 23, 2018, 10:54:48 PM
@Kuro, this is also the second time you tried jumping into someone's cockpit in a row so your imaginary character could put his imaginary hands all over an imaginary women.

Forgot Ols's vague description of mechs, treat them as worn armor with an extra HP pool like they are supposed to be. There is no such mechanical thing as moving into the cockpit, you can only move into Nei's space exactly like an incorp Shadow can move into a horse's space. You target, and interact, with the entire sum because it is one creature and that is all. In otherwards, you can't target Nei's separate body becuase the mech is part of her body.
Have you even read what I posted as Hugo? Really? Get your head outta the gutter for a minute.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on August 23, 2018, 10:55:56 PM
Jumping into a cockpit specifically seems like a good way to jump into a wall. Often you're barely going to have room for one person, so trying to teleport without occupying the same space as someone else would be... trouble. <_>
Yeah, that's why this time I'm moving in ethereally. Which, you know, Osle actually said could be done, just probably not fast enough to go in and out on the same round.
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Post by: oslecamo on August 23, 2018, 11:24:01 PM
You're missing a far more important point here, Osle: namely, that this is at LEAST the second round in which you say "dude you can't do that" and explicitly block my actions. Or rather, this is actually the continuation of the first round in which you did that.

Now, I'm telling you there are myriad ways to accomplish the exact same effect as I'm doing now (one of my personal favorites is using Limited Wish to give me the ability to see via my illusions temporarily since, as Ketaro mentioned, illusions have infinite actions). I'm not even doing something outrageous like one-shotting a character, I'm only having him use his class abilities to move in close so he can talk to someone. I could use DD to move in close to Nei's cockpit and then use my move to enter her cockpit while Murakumo supports me by making a bazillion identical Hugos show up on the battlefield that are still at least as real as me and therefore not as easily dismissable as illusions. I could use Limited Wish to force Nei to fail her save against teleportation while sending in a single teleport disk via Murakumo and throwing her into the goddamn ocean, or even simpler, forcing her to fail a save against Suggestion to tell her to get out of the cockpit.

You can argue "mecha master race" all you want, but for fuck's sake, would you quit arbitrarily nerfing my character and instead accept that I'm doing stuff he can totally do by the rules?

Yes, mecha shows don't ordinarily have D&D wizards, we get it. This one does. I'm not even doing tier 2 and above stuff like breaking the action economy. I have in point of fact made it a point to play Hugo more to his concept than his mechanical advantages. I'm doing that PRECISELY to avoid stressing everybody out with endless arguments.

All I'm asking in return is: let me do the shit I want to do, make me roll some dice if you have to, just don't outright block me.

Limited Wish can't force saves to auto-fail, that's only for non-limited Wish.
Normal and greater teleport can't force saves in the first place, it's willing-only.

And that's one of my problem with Hugo's current actions, you're borderline ignoring the game's rules now and wanting to play freeform. Which I can play along now and then, but not in actual battle.

Doubly so when you're just retroactively changing actions.

If you want to be a wizard, then act like one. Cast specific spells. You can't just declare the end result and then go "I'm a wizard, I don't need to pick spells", and you can't either just let your actions in the air until everything else's resolved then redo your entire turn.

Last turn it wasn't just you trying to teleport inside the cockpit, it was also you trying to teleport dozens of objects inside the cockpit which is simply not possible by basic teleport's rules and even if it was your disks wouldn't break on their own. Your plan had multiple holes no matter how one looks at it before taking in account I specifically blocked teleporting inside cockpit in the first place. In the other hand going ethereal inside cockpit is something I'm willing to entertain since ghosts sometimes do that in Gundam or something, but you still need to actually close in and survive the point-defenses to do so.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on August 23, 2018, 11:38:30 PM
Have you even read what I posted as Hugo? Really? Get your head outta the gutter for a minute.
It's kind of hard when no matter how you claim to read it, Hugo is invading her personal space and has to remind her in every single paragraph that she used to be his girlfriend. >.>

We're at the point where from Mei's imaginary point of view she hates Hugo so much she thinks he summoned the uber devil to kill us all and you still haven't gotten the hint to use a radio or cell phone to talk to her instead of trying to be so close Hugo can tell when she last showered. :(
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Post by: Kuroimaken on August 24, 2018, 12:00:28 AM
You're missing a far more important point here, Osle: namely, that this is at LEAST the second round in which you say "dude you can't do that" and explicitly block my actions. Or rather, this is actually the continuation of the first round in which you did that.

Now, I'm telling you there are myriad ways to accomplish the exact same effect as I'm doing now (one of my personal favorites is using Limited Wish to give me the ability to see via my illusions temporarily since, as Ketaro mentioned, illusions have infinite actions). I'm not even doing something outrageous like one-shotting a character, I'm only having him use his class abilities to move in close so he can talk to someone. I could use DD to move in close to Nei's cockpit and then use my move to enter her cockpit while Murakumo supports me by making a bazillion identical Hugos show up on the battlefield that are still at least as real as me and therefore not as easily dismissable as illusions. I could use Limited Wish to force Nei to fail her save against teleportation while sending in a single teleport disk via Murakumo and throwing her into the goddamn ocean, or even simpler, forcing her to fail a save against Suggestion to tell her to get out of the cockpit.

You can argue "mecha master race" all you want, but for fuck's sake, would you quit arbitrarily nerfing my character and instead accept that I'm doing stuff he can totally do by the rules?

Yes, mecha shows don't ordinarily have D&D wizards, we get it. This one does. I'm not even doing tier 2 and above stuff like breaking the action economy. I have in point of fact made it a point to play Hugo more to his concept than his mechanical advantages. I'm doing that PRECISELY to avoid stressing everybody out with endless arguments.

All I'm asking in return is: let me do the shit I want to do, make me roll some dice if you have to, just don't outright block me.

Limited Wish can't force saves to auto-fail, that's only for non-limited Wish.
Normal and greater teleport can't force saves in the first place, it's willing-only.

And that's one of my problem with Hugo's current actions, you're borderline ignoring the game's rules now and wanting to play freeform. Which I can play along now and then, but not in actual battle.

Doubly so when you're just retroactively changing actions.

If you want to be a wizard, then act like one. Cast specific spells. You can't just declare the end result and then go "I'm a wizard, I don't need to pick spells", and you can't either just let your actions in the air until everything else's resolved then redo your entire turn.

Last turn it wasn't just you trying to teleport inside the cockpit, it was also you trying to teleport dozens of objects inside the cockpit which is simply not possible by basic teleport's rules and even if it was your disks wouldn't break on their own. Your plan had multiple holes no matter how one looks at it before taking in account I specifically blocked teleporting inside cockpit in the first place. In the other hand going ethereal inside cockpit is something I'm willing to entertain since ghosts sometimes do that in Gundam or something, but you still need to actually close in and survive the point-defenses to do so.

And yet you're making my point for me: I only mentioned a couple of the possible plans and your first impulse was to shoot them down.

I could go with "you can't use teleport that way because teleport doesn't work that way". Instead, I had to go with "you can't use teleport that way because it wrecks my precious mechas even though D&D magic logic somehow has no effect on how the world runs". Nevermind that there WERE a number of ways I could have set off the discs regardless (like maybe arranging them so they are broken in a specific order then Shocking Grasping through the first one with an otherwise harmless (to me) effect).

The only reason I'm even retroactively changing actions is because you're telling me after I posted them that they can't be used that way.

And I'm getting to the point where I'm wondering if I should BOTHER to post said actions in detail if you're going to shoot them down anyway, especially when I look around and I see that doing so is no more or less likely to make me succeed, judging from the other players ALSO getting aspects of their characters ignored in favor of your desired outcome. SorO being only the simplest case.

Have you even read what I posted as Hugo? Really? Get your head outta the gutter for a minute.
It's kind of hard when no matter how you claim to read it, Hugo is invading her personal space and has to remind her in every single paragraph that she used to be his girlfriend. >.>

We're at the point where from Mei's imaginary point of view she hates Hugo so much she thinks he summoned the uber devil to kill us all and you still haven't gotten the hint to use a radio or cell phone to talk to her instead of trying to be so close Hugo can tell when she last showered. :(

Dude, I'm kind of trying to keep her from attacking more of you here, and MAYBE set some redeeming qualities for this guy, so again, would you kindly put your view of things aside for a second?
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Post by: Kuroimaken on August 24, 2018, 12:02:56 AM
Ugh, fine. I'm giving you an actual rundown of the actions. AGAIN. I just hope it's not wasted by bullshit this time.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on August 24, 2018, 12:54:36 AM
SorO being only the simplest case.
Whaaaat? It's not like some guy just Grappled Baha and then ignored the limit of Light (or mecha "defensive") weapons while Grappling and just kept full-attacking with a ball and chain or something for a "fun" moment of wondering if Baha will even have a jaw left to chew supper after his mech blows up on the first hit and we're moving past that cus like Baha should survive anyway. /s

and MAYBE set some redeeming qualities for this guy
Redeeming quality goal number 1: Hugo learns to use a cell phone instead of trying to enter a girl's cockpit?

*Looks at the edit*
Nope, not that. Oooook.
Also I call dibs on your Spell "Invincibility", is it an Immediate Action so I can just taunt the guy using a wrecking ball and is licking his hammer sexually suggestive? And with that note, I srsly need some sleep.
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Post by: ketaro on August 24, 2018, 01:12:49 AM
Do be careful, mecha weapons do force damage to nonmechas so a ghost Hugo might get swatted hard -_-'
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Post by: oslecamo on August 24, 2018, 01:58:12 AM
Ugh, fine. I'm giving you an actual rundown of the actions. AGAIN. I just hope it's not wasted by bullshit this time.

I use my standard action to crash through a bunch of discs with Retributive Image in them (or Persistent Image, whichever gets me the greatest amount of illusory Hugos) as well as a Dimension Door at the end so I'm floating right in front of the Neikapool's cockpit. Alert so I can dodge a stray AoO if it gets to me. and Invincibility so I can tank it if they still hit. Move so I can get into the cockpit.

Quote from: Dimension Door
After using this spell, you can’t take any other actions until your next turn. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/dimensionDoor.htm)

For starters, Hugo's stuck in place after dimension dooring.

By my calculations, each 10-foot cube gives me approximately 8-12 Hugos, and it starts at 4 +1/CL, which means... not counting the real Hugo, there are between 144-216 copies of him per Retributive Image disc. For the sake of simplicity, let's say there's five of them.

For the sake of simplicity, let's use what we already had agreed on:

-I get the idea of trying to limit the number of disks thrown per round, but you'll remember Hugo tends to use predetermined "configurations" (I'm the one who ends up picking them on the run). So let's say he could save up to Int mod in "configurations" (this is a mage weapon after all and Int is related to remembering stuff) with up to four disks per configuration (later upgrades could increase that amount), or up to his Dex mod for on-the-fly stuff.
Hugo's Int mod is only +4 as per his sheet. This will be what, the 3rd configuration used for this campaign day? Not sure, but the cap is still only 4 disks.

Then there's the matter of distance. Nei already was 150 mu away from hugo, that's 900 feet, barely in range of long-range on-foot spells from Hugo (960 feet from 400+(14*40)). But that was before Katherine moved away to get between Nei and her approaching ship, which I'm pretty sure would be over 10 mu (60 feet), leaving Nei out of range of even on-foot long-range spells from Hugo. However I didn't give an exact distance, so I'm letting this one slide... But Nei could still use some immediate-action movement of her own to simply get at a safe distance from the Hugo horde.

Then of course, Nei's packing True Sight like a good high-level girl that once had an illusionist boyfriend.

SorO being only the simplest case.
Whaaaat? It's not like some guy just Grappled Baha and then ignored the limit of Light (or mecha "defensive") weapons while Grappling and just kept full-attacking with a ball and chain or something for a "fun" moment of wondering if Baha will even have a jaw left to chew supper after his mech blows up on the first hit and we're moving past that cus like Baha should survive anyway. /s
If Baha failed any of the grapple checks, the pirate would be happy to just hold on.

But good point, made grabbing weapons useable in a grapple too.
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Post by: ketaro on August 24, 2018, 02:19:12 AM
Grabbing weapons can be used in a grapple? That doesn't make sense. Cause the weapon is already being used to maintain the grapple. Really, I think rather than outright being able to continue using a grabbing weapon that is already grappling someone to continue hitting that victim as if it wasn't grappling already, you could instead allow grabbing weapons to do constrict damage on successful grapple checks versus those already grappled foes.

That at least makes sense over being able to use a single weapon in multiple different ways simultaneously.
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Post by: oslecamo on August 24, 2018, 03:08:08 AM
Example of a Wrench Mace in use to grab an opponent and finish them off. (https://youtu.be/tylamyaCtMc?t=358)

There was also that dude in IBO that had a pair of giant mecha pliers which first grabbed the opponent then just kept closing in until the victim was cut in half.
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Post by: ketaro on August 24, 2018, 04:34:01 AM
So like neither of your examples are actually grappling, just saying. The wrech thing is a straight up pile-driver.

And even if we agreed they were, both of your examples are made with tools specifically for grabbing objects. As well, they grab with a part that is capable and intended for further compression, i.e., constricting.

Your examples against are actually examples for my point -_-'

To finish, we can't really compare those to, basically, a flail that you're using.
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Post by: oslecamo on August 24, 2018, 05:05:48 AM
So like neither of your examples are actually grappling, just saying. The wrech thing is a straight up pile-driver.

And even if we agreed they were, both of your examples are made with tools specifically for grabbing objects. As well, they grab with a part that is capable and intended for further compression, i.e., constricting.

Your examples against are actually examples for my point -_-'
Ok, let's assume you're right for a moment.

How exactly do you want me to stat that?

There's no constrict damage formula. It's all case-by-case basis.

Constrict deals damage right after the grapple. For any grapple. What if you have multiple grabbing weapons? What if you have one heavy grabbing weapon with big constrict damage but get fast grapples from somewhere else?

Constrict is bludgeoning damage only, while stuff like giant pliers would be dealing slashing damage.

tl:dr: I could make it Constrict, but would need to add a million exception clauses to try to make it make sense, while just writing down "you can keep making attacks with the weapon" is all more of simple, balanced and effective.

After all, cutting stuff with the same set of giant pliers should be dealing constant damage outside of other abilities.

To finish, we can't really compare those to, basically, a flail that you're using.
It's a giant hook actually.

Hooks pretty good for grabbing stuff too. But after a hook i stuck inside something, if you keep moving the hook too violently? Whatever the hook is stuck inside of will be messed up pretty fast.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on August 24, 2018, 10:47:52 AM
How exactly do you want me to stat that?
Like D&D already did.

Per Sharktooth Staff, SS49, with a successful attack you can initiate a Grapple as a Free Action and you don't provoke an AoO like normal. You don't have to move into their square (ie smaller creatures do not gain soft cover). You automatically hit, ignoring the penalized attack roll. And you get to use a Two-Handed weapon with full damage bonuses. But in exchange for all of this, you only deal damage once per round.

Because yes, technically the weapon is grappling them. If you want to say while grappling a creature you can pick them up and pale drive them into them, well why would that be exclusively linked to a hook rather than your hand? See also Setting Sun in Tome of Battle, the art of slamming people into other people and objects.
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Post by: ketaro on August 24, 2018, 12:18:04 PM
You're right, it's simple and effective, but it's not balanced. The pro of grappling is shutting down an opponents actions, the con is doing the same to yourself. Crowd control is overwhelmingly powerful like that. You're trying to eliminate any downside to committing to a grapple.

Also I did suggest just using the base weapons damage as the constrict damage so there wouldn't be anything to calculate. You can even state that the damage type is the same as the base weapons'.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on August 24, 2018, 01:14:45 PM
Ugh, fine. I'm giving you an actual rundown of the actions. AGAIN. I just hope it's not wasted by bullshit this time.

I use my standard action to crash through a bunch of discs with Retributive Image in them (or Persistent Image, whichever gets me the greatest amount of illusory Hugos) as well as a Dimension Door at the end so I'm floating right in front of the Neikapool's cockpit. Alert so I can dodge a stray AoO if it gets to me. and Invincibility so I can tank it if they still hit. Move so I can get into the cockpit.

Quote from: Dimension Door
After using this spell, you can’t take any other actions until your next turn. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/dimensionDoor.htm)

For starters, Hugo's stuck in place after dimension dooring.

By my calculations, each 10-foot cube gives me approximately 8-12 Hugos, and it starts at 4 +1/CL, which means... not counting the real Hugo, there are between 144-216 copies of him per Retributive Image disc. For the sake of simplicity, let's say there's five of them.

For the sake of simplicity, let's use what we already had agreed on:

-I get the idea of trying to limit the number of disks thrown per round, but you'll remember Hugo tends to use predetermined "configurations" (I'm the one who ends up picking them on the run). So let's say he could save up to Int mod in "configurations" (this is a mage weapon after all and Int is related to remembering stuff) with up to four disks per configuration (later upgrades could increase that amount), or up to his Dex mod for on-the-fly stuff.
Hugo's Int mod is only +4 as per his sheet. This will be what, the 3rd configuration used for this campaign day? Not sure, but the cap is still only 4 disks.

Then there's the matter of distance. Nei already was 150 mu away from hugo, that's 900 feet, barely in range of long-range on-foot spells from Hugo (960 feet from 400+(14*40)). But that was before Katherine moved away to get between Nei and her approaching ship, which I'm pretty sure would be over 10 mu (60 feet), leaving Nei out of range of even on-foot long-range spells from Hugo. However I didn't give an exact distance, so I'm letting this one slide... But Nei could still use some immediate-action movement of her own to simply get at a safe distance from the Hugo horde.

Then of course, Nei's packing True Sight like a good high-level girl that once had an illusionist boyfriend.

SorO being only the simplest case.
Whaaaat? It's not like some guy just Grappled Baha and then ignored the limit of Light (or mecha "defensive") weapons while Grappling and just kept full-attacking with a ball and chain or something for a "fun" moment of wondering if Baha will even have a jaw left to chew supper after his mech blows up on the first hit and we're moving past that cus like Baha should survive anyway. /s
If Baha failed any of the grapple checks, the pirate would be happy to just hold on.

But good point, made grabbing weapons useable in a grapple too.

Because of course she is, why not completely inutilize the illusionist - OHWAITI'MAFUCKINGSHADOWCRAFTMAGE.

Also FINE, I use TELEPORT instead of DIMENSION DOOR, WHICH HAS NO SUCH MOBILITY CLAUSE OR RANGE ISSUE.

See what I mean? Why bother detailing my actions if you're just going to shoot them down!

Also, the configuration thing is only for the disc launcher. Hugo's just drawing discs the old-fashioned way out of a handy haversack or whatever. He DOES have Quick Draw, remember? He could just as easily draw-drop as free actions and smash them on the ground rather than in his hands.

EDIT: Either way the Hugo Army is meant to prevent AoOs from someone who isn't her. Even if she does AoO him, he's got Alert and Invincibility up. And she's in a mecha to boot - can a mecha-scale weapon hit a medium-size creature without some splash? Unless the answer is yes, she's bound to hit some of the fake Hugos too.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on August 24, 2018, 02:21:27 PM
You're right, it's simple and effective, but it's not balanced. The pro of grappling is shutting down an opponents actions, the con is doing the same to yourself.
Actually it is.

You quote on quote shut your self down, on a tactic you specialized in but your opponent didn't, to shut someone else down. A 1:1 exchange is equal, and thats what makes crowd control so borked.

Also you are forgetting about Heavy weapons, Ols over gratuitously handed out the dice on them since you can only use them once per round anyway. Being able to auto hit for (9d12+(strmod*2)+mods)*2 or w/e using a Twinned Grappler isn't being locked down anymore than Combat Brute locks an ubercharger down. You are just trading some of your AC away.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on August 24, 2018, 03:59:49 PM
...I just noticed something in the True Seeing description. Does the "see through illusions" part equate to automatically passing a disbelief Will save?
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Post by: ketaro on August 24, 2018, 04:03:17 PM
*shrugs* Okay.

I'ma just keep rolling with the hits like I do, whatevs~ Is cool.

Kuro, he wouldn't be "shutting you down" so much if you were actually doing things you know you can do instead of just tossing assumptions around. For the most part, his denying of your actions so far seem to be due to you not being clear about rules, both SRW ones and in the case of Dimension Door, regular core rules.

I know I get lost on this stuff to sometimes. Not too long ago I was pming Os about certain maneuver and spirit interactions for my previous turn cause I just didn't know if I could actually do what I wanted to do despite that it all looked viably legal. Turned out it wasn't -_-'
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Post by: oslecamo on August 27, 2018, 10:12:36 AM
How exactly do you want me to stat that?
Like D&D already did.

Per Sharktooth Staff, SS49, with a successful attack you can initiate a Grapple as a Free Action and you don't provoke an AoO like normal. You don't have to move into their square (ie smaller creatures do not gain soft cover). You automatically hit, ignoring the penalized attack roll. And you get to use a Two-Handed weapon with full damage bonuses. But in exchange for all of this, you only deal damage once per round.
You're making up half that stuff because the actual book text is pretty unclear. I know it because I already had players want to use that exotic weapon and ask me to rule what exactly happens.

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A wielder who hits a Small or Medium-size opponent with a sharktooth staff does normal damage and can immediately initiate a grapple as
a free action without provoking an attack of opportunity (see Grapple in Chapter 8 of the Player ’s Handbook). The wielder of a sharktooth staff may choose to deal normal damage(WTF COUNTS AS "NORMAL" DAMAGE? POWER ATTACK FOR MAX? MAGIC BONUS?) for the weapon on subsequent rounds without making further attack rolls against the grappled victim(YAY FOR NO MENTION OF ACTUAL ACTION! OR HOW MUCH TIMES YOU CAN DO IT PER ROUND!)

So it's just a lost simpler and saner to say "you can keep whacking them with the damn weapon with normal attack rules".

Because yes, technically the weapon is grappling them. If you want to say while grappling a creature you can pick them up and pale drive them into them, well why would that be exclusively linked to a hook rather than your hand? See also Setting Sun in Tome of Battle, the art of slamming people into other people and objects.

Thank you for confirming again how little you actually read since otherwise you would've noticed I've also written plenty of fancy grappling maneuvers.

You're right, it's simple and effective, but it's not balanced. The pro of grappling is shutting down an opponents actions, the con is doing the same to yourself. Crowd control is overwhelmingly powerful like that. You're trying to eliminate any downside to committing to a grapple.

Also I did suggest just using the base weapons damage as the constrict damage so there wouldn't be anything to calculate. You can even state that the damage type is the same as the base weapons'.
And again, constrict damage happens when the grapple roll is sucessful. Which means right after the weapon hits, so you end up dealing heavy weapon damage then constrict damage right away. And then it's not that hard to roll a bunch more grapples every round to multiply that heavy damage. It's a lot more damage.

As for disadvantages, you still end up easier to hit and mobility is heavily restricted too, plus you still only get to hit the grappled guy. It's not much of a crowd you're controlling when it's a single target.

Ugh, fine. I'm giving you an actual rundown of the actions. AGAIN. I just hope it's not wasted by bullshit this time.

I use my standard action to crash through a bunch of discs with Retributive Image in them (or Persistent Image, whichever gets me the greatest amount of illusory Hugos) as well as a Dimension Door at the end so I'm floating right in front of the Neikapool's cockpit. Alert so I can dodge a stray AoO if it gets to me. and Invincibility so I can tank it if they still hit. Move so I can get into the cockpit.

Quote from: Dimension Door
After using this spell, you can’t take any other actions until your next turn. (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/dimensionDoor.htm)

For starters, Hugo's stuck in place after dimension dooring.

By my calculations, each 10-foot cube gives me approximately 8-12 Hugos, and it starts at 4 +1/CL, which means... not counting the real Hugo, there are between 144-216 copies of him per Retributive Image disc. For the sake of simplicity, let's say there's five of them.

For the sake of simplicity, let's use what we already had agreed on:

-I get the idea of trying to limit the number of disks thrown per round, but you'll remember Hugo tends to use predetermined "configurations" (I'm the one who ends up picking them on the run). So let's say he could save up to Int mod in "configurations" (this is a mage weapon after all and Int is related to remembering stuff) with up to four disks per configuration (later upgrades could increase that amount), or up to his Dex mod for on-the-fly stuff.
Hugo's Int mod is only +4 as per his sheet. This will be what, the 3rd configuration used for this campaign day? Not sure, but the cap is still only 4 disks.

Then there's the matter of distance. Nei already was 150 mu away from hugo, that's 900 feet, barely in range of long-range on-foot spells from Hugo (960 feet from 400+(14*40)). But that was before Katherine moved away to get between Nei and her approaching ship, which I'm pretty sure would be over 10 mu (60 feet), leaving Nei out of range of even on-foot long-range spells from Hugo. However I didn't give an exact distance, so I'm letting this one slide... But Nei could still use some immediate-action movement of her own to simply get at a safe distance from the Hugo horde.

Then of course, Nei's packing True Sight like a good high-level girl that once had an illusionist boyfriend.

Because of course she is, why not completely inutilize the illusionist - OHWAITI'MAFUCKINGSHADOWCRAFTMAGE.
It could be much worst, like you could be a grappler and run into somebody with Freedom of Movement.

Also FINE, I use TELEPORT instead of DIMENSION DOOR, WHICH HAS NO SUCH MOBILITY CLAUSE OR RANGE ISSUE.

See what I mean? Why bother detailing my actions if you're just going to shoot them down!
Because this was another case of you outright ignoring the spell rules. Dimensional Door shuts your character down until the next turn. But teleport indeed has no such clause, so that's one problem solved.

Also, the configuration thing is only for the disc launcher. Hugo's just drawing discs the old-fashioned way out of a handy haversack or whatever. He DOES have Quick Draw, remember? He could just as easily draw-drop as free actions and smash them on the ground rather than in his hands.
Hugo's standing on beach sand and isn't 10 feet tall, the disks aren't gonna break that easily. And even if they did, if Hugo wants to teleport he needs to smash said disk on himself.

EDIT: Either way the Hugo Army is meant to prevent AoOs from someone who isn't her. Even if she does AoO him, he's got Alert and Invincibility up. And she's in a mecha to boot - can a mecha-scale weapon hit a medium-size creature without some splash? Unless the answer is yes, she's bound to hit some of the fake Hugos too.
Yes they can, just like a normal colossal creature can target a medium one. Although she'll probably still just pull back from the clingy boyfriend than risk making mincemeat of the real Hugo.

Also to make something clear, one illusion of multiple Hugos is still just one illusion. One disbelief will make them all begone and will only cause one backlash.

...I just noticed something in the True Seeing description. Does the "see through illusions" part equate to automatically passing a disbelief Will save?
I swear illusions are the most headaching magic.

I'm gonna rule that no since if the authors meant to say it counts as disbelieving they would've said so instead of using different wording.

*shrugs* Okay.

I'ma just keep rolling with the hits like I do, whatevs~ Is cool.

Kuro, he wouldn't be "shutting you down" so much if you were actually doing things you know you can do instead of just tossing assumptions around. For the most part, his denying of your actions so far seem to be due to you not being clear about rules, both SRW ones and in the case of Dimension Door, regular core rules.

I know I get lost on this stuff to sometimes. Not too long ago I was pming Os about certain maneuver and spirit interactions for my previous turn cause I just didn't know if I could actually do what I wanted to do despite that it all looked viably legal. Turned out it wasn't -_-'

Thank you for the understanding. It makes my job easier if the players actually make their actions clear, and using a spell that stops you from taking actions then declaring more actions isn't very clear.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on August 27, 2018, 01:31:01 PM
Yeah, I kinda ran into everybody having Freedom of Movement when I try to BFC a while ago.

Can anybody honestly tell me they remembered that clause on DD before you pointed out? I don't re-read every spell every time I use them, I just try to remember their levels and what they're for. Regardless, you knew I had access to teleport discs as well and that spell doesn't have the dead in their tracks clause. Moot point, anyway.

That's actually easy to solve. He drops them all on top of his foot and casts Burning Hands at CL1, aiming at his foot, with the Teleport disc being the first one he dropped (that way it happens last as it's theoretically the last one to burn). Alternatively, the last disk he draws is Telekinesis, and then he uses the action that throws them all onto himself (Retributive Image isn't a target spell anyway, and even if it was he can just forfeit the disbelief Will save). The only downside to the first option is an average of 2.5 damage to himself.

I wasn't expecting much different, I was just unclear on how Mecha weapons work in that regard. I just find it weird that a bullet the size of a car can somehow tear through ONE creature and leave another immediately behind it completely unscathed is all. Also, I didn't expect much different on the illusion side. Next time I'll just use multiple superimposed illusions of multiple Hugos so that hitting ONE of the fakes triggers multiple Retributive Images.  :P Just for the record though, disbelief doesn't actually dispel illusions, it only makes it clear to the one who succeeded on the save that the illusion isn't real. That's why I asked if True Seeing counted as an automatic disbelief. I'm assuming Nei has some Spellcraft and identified the spell in question on a hidden roll though, because True Seeing does NOT tell you automatically what spell is what.

In fact, while we are on the subject of True Seeing (https://dndtools.net/spells/players-handbook-v35--6/true-seeing--2520/):

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You confer on the subject the ability to see all things as they actually are. The subject sees through normal and magical darkness, notices secret doors hidden by magic, sees the exact locations of creatures or objects under blur or displacement effects, sees invisible creatures or objects normally, sees through illusions, and sees the true form of polymorphed, changed, or transmuted things. Further, the subject can focus its vision to see into the Ethereal Plane (but not into extradimensional spaces). The range of true seeing conferred is 120 feet.

True seeing, however, does not penetrate solid objects. It in no way confers X-ray vision or its equivalent. It does not negate concealment, including that caused by fog and the like. True seeing does not help the viewer see through mundane disguises, spot creatures who are simply hiding, or notice secret doors hidden by mundane means. In addition, the spell effects cannot be further enhanced with known magic, so one cannot use true seeing through a crystal ball or in conjunction with clairaudience/clairvoyance.

Therefore, I'm going to have to assume that the Neikapool also has True Seeing, because if only Nei has it, she can't use it through its cameras (she's inside of a cockpit), and even then, she can only make out any illusions inside her cockpit. I at least don't remember any mecha effect in the SRWD20 granting True Seeing, though I could be wrong, there's a lot of it.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on August 27, 2018, 05:30:45 PM
You're making up half that stuff because the actual book text is pretty unclear. I know it because I already had players want to use that exotic weapon and ask me to rule what exactly happens.
You, the guy who doesn't even know how his Defend Spirit works, claims that I, the rule expert, made rules up and you base the solely off the experience that you have no idea how the weapon works. That's just as illogical as you think it's informed. >.>

The AoO is generated off the melee touch attack, which the weapon skips, and the weapon it's self says you automatically hit and deal it's base damage each round. When I get home I can cover the RC/PHB/RotG about moving into another's square (which you'll note the staff never says you have to do to deal said dmg) if I need to but I really don't feel like I need to.

I had to remind people about Grapple rules last year and many parodies joking about D&D's overly complicated Grapple rules exist for a reason. Why not avoid invoking those rules with every attack? Heck, a lot of turn based strategy games have a cannot move condition, like doesn't the SRW game in the app store prevent you from moving to certain squares after getting hit with something in Japanese? FFT/FFTA called it "Immobilize" I think. Just stick to that with an opposed check.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on August 27, 2018, 06:01:09 PM
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Therefore, I'm going to have to assume that the Neikapool also has True Seeing, because if only Nei has it, she can't use it through its cameras (she's inside of a cockpit), and even then, she can only make out any illusions inside her cockpit. I at least don't remember any mecha effect in the SRWD20 granting True Seeing, though I could be wrong, there's a lot of it.

Don't mecha get some of the effects from the pilot? Depends how the true seeing is acquired.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on August 27, 2018, 08:11:12 PM
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Therefore, I'm going to have to assume that the Neikapool also has True Seeing, because if only Nei has it, she can't use it through its cameras (she's inside of a cockpit), and even then, she can only make out any illusions inside her cockpit. I at least don't remember any mecha effect in the SRWD20 granting True Seeing, though I could be wrong, there's a lot of it.

Don't mecha get some of the effects from the pilot? Depends how the true seeing is acquired.
I seem to recall that's true if the effects were cast on the mecha itself or through the mecha itself (via Arcane amplifier or somesuch). Like I said, I think there's a mecha part that grants True Seeing, but I'm not sure.

EDIT: Ah, here we go.

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The mecha uses the pilot's base saves, BAB, skill bonuses, feats, and self-buff class abilities for fighting (except Regeneration but including Fast Healing), plus the pilot's Str and Dex scores (it takes a strong pilot to handle a mecha under stress, and it takes good reflexes to make it react in time).

So I'm guessing True Seeing doesn't count?
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Post by: ketaro on August 27, 2018, 08:18:08 PM
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And again, constrict damage happens when the grapple roll is sucessful. Which means right after the weapon hits, so you end up dealing heavy weapon damage then constrict damage right away. And then it's not that hard to roll a bunch more grapples every round to multiply that heavy damage. It's a lot more damage.

Oh, I missed this.

You basically just said that grapples/constricts work exactly the same as what you decided to do already with entirely unimpeded full attacks on grappled creatures. So no matter which you go with nothing would change.



Except you can't do more than one grapple check a round to damage a grappled opponent but I'm over this topic *shrugs*
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Post by: oslecamo on August 28, 2018, 11:26:07 AM
You're making up half that stuff because the actual book text is pretty unclear. I know it because I already had players want to use that exotic weapon and ask me to rule what exactly happens.
You, the guy who doesn't even know how his Defend Spirit works
There's no Defend Spirit in my homebrew. Thank you for confirming yet again you're just making stuff up out of thin air.

Yeah, I kinda ran into everybody having Freedom of Movement when I try to BFC a while ago.

Can anybody honestly tell me they remembered that clause on DD before you pointed out?

I don't re-read every spell every time I use them, I just try to remember their levels and what they're for. Regardless, you knew I had access to teleport discs as well and that spell doesn't have the dead in their tracks clause. Moot point, anyway.

The point is that when you're making complex multi-step plans you should indeed double-check each step just in case.

That's actually easy to solve. He drops them all on top of his foot and casts Burning Hands at CL1, aiming at his foot, with the Teleport disc being the first one he dropped (that way it happens last as it's theoretically the last one to burn). Alternatively, the last disk he draws is Telekinesis, and then he uses the action that throws them all onto himself (Retributive Image isn't a target spell anyway, and even if it was he can just forfeit the disbelief Will save). The only downside to the first option is an average of 2.5 damage to himself.
You have quantum discs, but you don't have quantum spell slots. You had said earlier in the campaign they're all filled with silent images. I certainly don't recall anything about preparing burning hands.

Telekinesis doesn't actually deal damage to the thrown objects like normal falling rules.

I wasn't expecting much different, I was just unclear on how Mecha weapons work in that regard. I just find it weird that a bullet the size of a car can somehow tear through ONE creature and leave another immediately behind it completely unscathed is all.
It's no weirder that you can shoot arrows at the middle of a crowd of thousands of people packed together and don't hit anyone. Or a colossal titan could fling a colossal javelin at said crowd and fail to hurt anybody.

Also, I didn't expect much different on the illusion side. Next time I'll just use multiple superimposed illusions of multiple Hugos so that hitting ONE of the fakes triggers multiple Retributive Images.  :P Just for the record though, disbelief doesn't actually dispel illusions, it only makes it clear to the one who succeeded on the save that the illusion isn't real. That's why I asked if True Seeing counted as an automatic disbelief. I'm assuming Nei has some Spellcraft and identified the spell in question on a hidden roll though, because True Seeing does NOT tell you automatically what spell is what.

In fact, while we are on the subject of True Seeing (https://dndtools.net/spells/players-handbook-v35--6/true-seeing--2520/):

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You confer on the subject the ability to see all things as they actually are. The subject sees through normal and magical darkness, notices secret doors hidden by magic, sees the exact locations of creatures or objects under blur or displacement effects, sees invisible creatures or objects normally, sees through illusions, and sees the true form of polymorphed, changed, or transmuted things. Further, the subject can focus its vision to see into the Ethereal Plane (but not into extradimensional spaces). The range of true seeing conferred is 120 feet.

True seeing, however, does not penetrate solid objects. It in no way confers X-ray vision or its equivalent. It does not negate concealment, including that caused by fog and the like. True seeing does not help the viewer see through mundane disguises, spot creatures who are simply hiding, or notice secret doors hidden by mundane means. In addition, the spell effects cannot be further enhanced with known magic, so one cannot use true seeing through a crystal ball or in conjunction with clairaudience/clairvoyance.

Therefore, I'm going to have to assume that the Neikapool also has True Seeing, because if only Nei has it, she can't use it through its cameras (she's inside of a cockpit), and even then, she can only make out any illusions inside her cockpit. I at least don't remember any mecha effect in the SRWD20 granting True Seeing, though I could be wrong, there's a lot of it.

As pointed in the general discussion, there's at least an Acessory and a Trait that allow the mecha to get True Seeing, I'll let you guess which one Nei has.

But bigger point is, we can keep arguing for weeks about the minutae of D&D rules or we can just roll with the agreement we had made for your mecha for a "fair" use of Hugo's quantum disc arsenal.

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And again, constrict damage happens when the grapple roll is sucessful. Which means right after the weapon hits, so you end up dealing heavy weapon damage then constrict damage right away. And then it's not that hard to roll a bunch more grapples every round to multiply that heavy damage. It's a lot more damage.

Oh, I missed this.

You basically just said that grapples/constricts work exactly the same as what you decided to do already with entirely unimpeded full attacks on grappled creatures. So no matter which you go with nothing would change.



Except you can't do more than one grapple check a round to damage a grappled opponent but I'm over this topic *shrugs*

The "damage your opponent" is one of many option, and actually deals nonlethal damage by default. But stuff like attacking with a light weapon is another option, and you can make as many grapples as you can make attacks, each grapple roll triggering Constrict.

But you're wise to just let go, in particular since you were smart enough to pack Freedom of Movement so you don't need to worry. :P
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on August 28, 2018, 11:42:50 AM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I never said the only thing I prepared was Silent Image. In particular because I don't have to. I picked Spell Mastery precisely so I could use the Silent Image to Conjuration/Evocation spells on the fly step. (Which reminds me, I never really picked a feat to replace my familiar with. Hello Sanctum Spell! Don't worry, I won't use it to pack spells higher than 5th level in the discs. Just to produce free-of-charge Simulacra.)

And even if I did, I could still use it to cast Burning Hands (or break a disc to cast it). Because Shadowcraft Mage, remember?

Then I guess we're going to discuss the minutiae of D&D rules, because you agreed that the arrangement for the disc launcher did not preclude drawing the discs the old-fashioned way.

We had already used "fling the discs like ammunition at people" as a means to break them before, so why is it not working now?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on August 28, 2018, 05:10:19 PM
There's no Defend Spirit in my homebrew.
Guard Spirit, Defend Feat, whatever. I can only muster up as much respect for your rules as you do.

Thank you for confirming yet again you're just making stuff up out of thin air.
Your post comes off like, "Hi I'm Ols, Lost once again confused which five letter synonym did what and that will totally convince everyone to forget I just said I have no f'ing idea how Sharktooth Staffs or Grapples work."

And you know what, it'd almost work out for you. We all know your shortcomings well enough the reaction is an eyeroll and Ols just being Ols again. But it you really want to move off Grappling, you have to stop using it every single Encounter or you'll just keep hearing it again and again.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on August 28, 2018, 05:24:41 PM
I just consult a flowchart when grappling comes up.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on August 28, 2018, 09:58:22 PM
I just consult a flowchart when grappling comes up.
I bet it's a long one.

Also I'm finally home and have a chance to figure out some damage values. Per the recent quote it seems God's Damage Reduction, a self-buffing Class Feature, applies increasing Baha's DR to 20/Magic. No word on Reflex Saves halving damage dealt vs Empyreal/Guard reducing damage taken, going to use them as intended.

(click to show/hide)

So 70 damage sustained, leaving the mech in one piece (like 21hp before regen) thanks to Guard applying anyway and the last two attacks being dropped. And Baha also has -2 Att/Dmg/AC/Saves/DR, Pinning (1/2 movement)x10, Concussive (1/2 dex/dodge bonuses), and Grappled(no dex-to-ac vs others, no threat area, no movement). And I'm not really sure what to do with the shields, but would the Funnels would have wiped out ZERO's remaining energy before the uber blow anyway.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on August 28, 2018, 11:18:28 PM
Well, it's more just checking what you don't need to win a grapple check to do in a grapple.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on August 28, 2018, 11:20:52 PM
Huh. Wait, mechas can't use built-in melee weapons like reinforced fists while in a grapple?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on August 28, 2018, 11:33:17 PM
Last I checked, they don't count as natural or light.

Kind of tradition that a grappled mecha is screwed if it can't break out (though by the same token, transforming mecha should be able to get out that way :lmao)
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on August 28, 2018, 11:46:13 PM
Last I checked, they don't count as natural or light.

Kind of tradition that a grappled mecha is screwed if it can't break out (though by the same token, transforming mecha should be able to get out that way :lmao)

I actually remember Getter Robo specifically being able to get out of grapples by switching forms, but then, it IS a gattai-style mecha.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on August 29, 2018, 09:57:25 AM
Last I checked, they don't count as natural or light.

Kind of tradition that a grappled mecha is screwed if it can't break out (though by the same token, transforming mecha should be able to get out that way :lmao)

I actually remember Getter Robo specifically being able to get out of grapples by switching forms, but then, it IS a gattai-style mecha.

Exactly what I was thinking of. Should've said combining, not transforming.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on September 01, 2018, 09:32:02 AM
Hey, just to clarify: Chalybdus is using a different weapon from the previous round, so That Won't Work Twice would do nothing?

Also, dissertation complete and submitted.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on September 01, 2018, 10:13:41 AM
Hey, just to clarify: Chalybdus is using a different weapon from the previous round, so That Won't Work Twice would do nothing?
Yes. Fists, leg blades.

Also, dissertation complete and submitted.

Congratulations! :)
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on September 01, 2018, 10:23:53 AM
I finally find an enemy I can survive hits from, and they won't even attack me twice with the same weapon. How rude of them.  :pout 


Oh well. xD
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on September 03, 2018, 04:56:55 AM
Divine Fire Mastery ... can duplicate the effect of any spell with the fire descriptor as a standard action
Wren’s Burst Rockets
Evocation [Fire][Earth]
Dibs?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on September 03, 2018, 10:39:37 AM
Revised my latest set of actions, in case no one has seen it.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on September 04, 2018, 05:12:30 AM
Divine Fire Mastery ... can duplicate the effect of any spell with the fire descriptor as a standard action
Wren’s Burst Rockets
Evocation [Fire][Earth]
Dibs?

First prove me you've actually read the material you're requesting. Say your artificer minion tries to make a scroll of the spell to use it, what happens?

Then for fun tell me how high is low orbit, aka how high satellites hang around.

Then tell me the normal-» mecha conversion rate and how much range it would take to reach low orbit if you had said normal range amplified to mecha scale.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on September 04, 2018, 08:49:07 AM
Whoa Os, you're downright playing....with fire  :flirt
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on September 04, 2018, 09:17:12 AM
First prove me you've actually read the material you're requesting.
What no one said anything about a written test? Does that mean I should quiz you on page 14 of the DMG?

Q: Say your artificer minion tries to make a scroll of the spell to use it, what happens?
A: They gain Oslecamo's version of midichlorians. Tiny magical cells that because of using metallic bonds rather than a double layer of lipids so he called them nanomachines. It looks like the campaign has started the merging magic and science like the natives of the world would have done a millionish years ago (depending on timeline).

Q: Then for fun tell me how high is low orbit, aka how high satellites hang around.
A: 99~1,200 miles which makes "Wren’s Positron Bolt" a terrorist's weapon primarily designed around blowing up cheap satellites produced by a barely space-capable generation wanting to cut corners on expenses to make money. This is probably why key communication, navigation, and other geodetic intended satellites use medium orbit, like GPS hangs out around 12,550 miles up. Also, I'm sure the DM would like to remind you that bringing real world physics into a game provokes zombie cat girls...

Q: Then tell me the normal-» mecha conversion rate and how much range it would take to reach low orbit if you had said normal range amplified to mecha scale.
A: That's a double question about zombie cat girls. Anyway, 1mu=6ft or roughly an x6 scale, so the terrorist Wren designed a six thousand mile beam of limited destruction primarily designed at bringing HBO offline. But no one cares about the terrorism.

you can recover 1d12 per CL+Str mod ... deals 1d12 mod damage per CL+Str mod
Two of these Spells include your Strength Modifier to their Caster Level.

Either way you can add your Str mod to the save DC and non-mindless targets can add their Str mod to their save roll. ... Either way you can add your Str mod to the save DC and non-mindless targets can add their Str to their save roll.
Two of these are a combination of Spell Saves & Opposed Strength Checks which is great for the Paladin since they focus on both scores while casters tank one and melees have poor saves & bonuses in the other.

A Reflex save halves the damage and reduces the Blindness and Deafness to 1 round.
One of these doesn't give a f**k if you Save or not as long as glass cannon supremacy is allowed to prevail.

You can use this a total of 4 times per CL until this spell is expended or until its duration is over, whichever happens first. ... You can make a total of 3 such attacks per CL until this spell is expended or until its duration is over, whichever happens first. ... You can make a total of 3 such attacks per CL until this spell is expended or until its duration is over, whichever happens first. ... You can use this a total of 2 times per CL until this spell is expended or until its duration is over, whichever happens first. ... You can make a total of 1 such attack per CL until this spell is expended or until its duration is over, whichever happens first. ... The anti-destruction/killed/don’t drop below -1 HP can trigger a total times of 1 per CL after which this spell is expended and ends earlier. ... You can make a total of 1 such attack per 2 CL until this spell is expended or until its duration is over, whichever happens first. ... You can make a total of 1 such attack per 3 CL until this spell is expended or until its duration is over, whichever happens first.
And all of them are massively Slot efficient.

I mean heck you already mentioned an Artificer. CL1 Wand of Wren’s Recover is 750gp and heals a bare minimum of 4d12 (26 avg) hp in the hands of a commoner which is 230% more efficient than a Wand of Vigor. Imagine if someone built a gish, a combination of magical augmentation and physical science like a Paladin or God-Dragon, to use these things. In other words, for the first time in the history of your homebrew, you started accepting magic and applied your overpowered scale to that. Why wouldn't I try to call dibs?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on September 04, 2018, 09:39:15 AM
First prove me you've actually read the material you're requesting.
What no one said anything about a written test? Does that mean I should quiz you on page 14 of the DMG?

Q: Say your artificer minion tries to make a scroll of the spell to use it, what happens?
A: They gain Oslecamo's version of midichlorians. Tiny magical cells that because of using metallic bonds rather than a double layer of lipids so he called them nanomachines. It looks like the campaign has started the merging magic and science like the natives of the world would have done a millionish years ago (depending on timeline).
Fail.
A Magitech Knight may pick one of the following Saint Script lists and replace spells on her paladin spell list with spells on the Saint Script list of the same level at the rate of 2 paladin spells per Knight Saint spell from that list. Such spells can only be cast by an actual Magitech Knight, no other class, item or ability may replicate them.
You can't make scrolls of Wren's spells at all. Nor wands nor staves nor dorjes, nothing.

Q: Then for fun tell me how high is low orbit, aka how high satellites hang around.
A: 99~1,200 miles which makes "Wren’s Positron Bolt" a terrorist's weapon primarily designed around blowing up cheap satellites produced by a barely space-capable generation wanting to cut corners on expenses to make money. This is probably why key communication, navigation, and other geodetic intended satellites use medium orbit, like GPS hangs out around 12,550 miles up. Also, I'm sure the DM would like to remind you that bringing real world physics into a game provokes zombie cat girls...

Q: Then tell me the normal-» mecha conversion rate and how much range it would take to reach low orbit if you had said normal range amplified to mecha scale.
A: That's a double question about zombie cat girls. Anyway, 1mu=6ft or roughly an x6 scale, so the terrorist Wren designed a six thousand mile beam of limited destruction primarily designed at bringing HBO offline. But no one cares about the terrorism.

Great, because Wren indeed wasn't a terrorist and had to pick a space ship to go blow up the evil castle.

you can recover 1d12 per CL+Str mod ... deals 1d12 mod damage per CL+Str mod
Two of these Spells include your Strength Modifier to their Caster Level.
And then you go back to failing basic math, for sums happen after multiplication. The d12 is multiplied by CL, then you add your Str mod.

Either way you can add your Str mod to the save DC and non-mindless targets can add their Str mod to their save roll. ... Either way you can add your Str mod to the save DC and non-mindless targets can add their Str to their save roll.
Two of these are a combination of Spell Saves & Opposed Strength Checks which is great for the Paladin since they focus on both scores while casters tank one and melees have poor saves & bonuses in the other.
See, you can read when you make an effort.

A Reflex save halves the damage and reduces the Blindness and Deafness to 1 round.
One of these doesn't give a f**k if you Save or not as long as glass cannon supremacy is allowed to prevail.
If you don't have a radar/alternate sense or a way to remove status effects from yourself by that level, it's your own fault.

You can use this a total of 4 times per CL until this spell is expended or until its duration is over, whichever happens first. ... You can make a total of 3 such attacks per CL until this spell is expended or until its duration is over, whichever happens first. ... You can make a total of 3 such attacks per CL until this spell is expended or until its duration is over, whichever happens first. ... You can use this a total of 2 times per CL until this spell is expended or until its duration is over, whichever happens first. ... You can make a total of 1 such attack per CL until this spell is expended or until its duration is over, whichever happens first. ... The anti-destruction/killed/don’t drop below -1 HP can trigger a total times of 1 per CL after which this spell is expended and ends earlier. ... You can make a total of 1 such attack per 2 CL until this spell is expended or until its duration is over, whichever happens first. ... You can make a total of 1 such attack per 3 CL until this spell is expended or until its duration is over, whichever happens first.
And all of them are massively Slot efficient.

I mean heck you already mentioned an Artificer. CL1 Wand of Wren’s Recover is 750gp and heals a bare minimum of 4d12 (26 avg) hp in the hands of a commoner which is 230% more efficient than a Wand of Vigor. Imagine if someone built a gish, a combination of magical augmentation and physical science like a Paladin or God-Dragon, to use these things. In other words, for the first time in the history of your homebrew, you started accepting magic and applied your overpowered scale to that. Why wouldn't I try to call dibs?

Because it's locked to a specific class and you still fail at basic math too often.

But I'm feeling generous, so Baha and only Baha can use Wren's Rockets as soon as I see you admit all the ways you were wrong in Discord.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on September 04, 2018, 11:09:02 AM
A Magitech Knight may pick one of the following Saint Script lists and replace spells on her paladin spell list with spells on the Saint Script list of the same level at the rate of 2 paladin spells per Knight Saint spell from that list. Such spells can only be cast by an actual Magitech Knight, no other class, item or ability may replicate them.
You can't make scrolls of Wren's spells at all. Nor wands nor staves nor dorjes, nothing.
Eh I'm not worried for a myriad of reasons. One of those is that Knight Saint spell limitation comes from the Magitech Knight's Class Feature rather than the Saint Script Spells them selves. Another can be the fact that the entire point of UMD is to pretend you are a specific Class or have specific Class Features anyway. But mostly is the original author is up for hand waving the requirements anyway if I talk about how borked these are in chat.

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Lost Today at 10:07 AM
I have been coerced to say I read part of Osl's rules wrong again by being bribed with the ability to abuse those Wren Spells in Osl's mech game. Seems pretty fair don't you think?
Stratovarius Today at 10:08 AM
How does that work?
Lost Today at 10:08 AM
I stopped asking years ago.
```But I'm feeling generous, so Baha and only Baha can use Wren's Rockets as soon as I see you admit all the ways you were wrong in Discord.```
~ http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=18008.msg336431#msg336431
Stratovarius Today at 10:09 AM
This just seems like him playing whack a mole as he breaks different areas

And then you go back to failing basic math, for sums happen after multiplication. The d12 is multiplied by CL, then you add your Str mod.
I like how you consciously emphasized then to explain the formula but subconsciously knew the formula needing clarity and had already used grammar to correct the sentence and that's interesting. I wonder how things would have gone if it said "deals 1d12 per caster level, plus your strength modifier, damage"?

If you don't have a radar/alternate sense or a way to remove status effects from yourself by that level, it's your own fault.
Hell yeah. I mean most pilots only need to see or hear a radar to even use it in the first place but why beat a dead zombiecat over the subject. It's their own fault for not having Blindsense, Scent, or any euphemisms of nude-vision.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on September 04, 2018, 12:46:02 PM
If you can't see anything, just nuke the entire area.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on September 04, 2018, 01:15:22 PM
If you can't see anything, just nuke the entire area.
:evillaugh

I'm pretty sure that's both of our character's default option, Blinded or not.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on September 04, 2018, 01:16:53 PM
No, no, my default option is running at them really fast and hitting away.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on September 04, 2018, 07:38:48 PM
A Magitech Knight may pick one of the following Saint Script lists and replace spells on her paladin spell list with spells on the Saint Script list of the same level at the rate of 2 paladin spells per Knight Saint spell from that list. Such spells can only be cast by an actual Magitech Knight, no other class, item or ability may replicate them.
You can't make scrolls of Wren's spells at all. Nor wands nor staves nor dorjes, nothing.
Eh I'm not worried for a myriad of reasons. One of those is that Knight Saint spell limitation comes from the Magitech Knight's Class Feature rather than the Saint Script Spells them selves. Another can be the fact that the entire point of UMD is to pretend you are a specific Class or have specific Class Features anyway.
You can't Use Magic Device if there's no Magic Device in the first place. Not even the Magitech Knight themselves can craft items of Saint Script spells.

But mostly is the original author is up for hand waving the requirements anyway if I talk about how borked these are in chat.
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Lost Today at 10:07 AM
I have been coerced to say I read part of Osl's rules wrong again by being bribed with the ability to abuse those Wren Spells in Osl's mech game. Seems pretty fair don't you think?
Stratovarius Today at 10:08 AM
How does that work?
Lost Today at 10:08 AM
I stopped asking years ago.
```But I'm feeling generous, so Baha and only Baha can use Wren's Rockets as soon as I see you admit all the ways you were wrong in Discord.```
~ http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=18008.msg336431#msg336431
Stratovarius Today at 10:09 AM
This just seems like him playing whack a mole as he breaks different areas

That's not you admitting the ways you are wrong I'm afraid. For starters you'll need to actually explain the different parts where you were wrong like how Wren's Rockets don't follow your personal math rules, then tell how they actually work.

And then you go back to failing basic math, for sums happen after multiplication. The d12 is multiplied by CL, then you add your Str mod.
I like how you consciously emphasized then to explain the formula but subconsciously knew the formula needing clarity and had already used grammar to correct the sentence and that's interesting. I wonder how things would have gone if it said "deals 1d12 per caster level, plus your strength modifier, damage"?
If you think a formula isn't clear, the answer isn't to run the formula whatever way your personal hallucinations tell you to, it's to ask for a clarification.

If you don't have a radar/alternate sense or a way to remove status effects from yourself by that level, it's your own fault.
Hell yeah. I mean most pilots only need to see or hear a radar to even use it in the first place but why beat a dead zombiecat over the subject. It's their own fault for not having Blindsense, Scent, or any euphemisms of nude-vision.
Psycommu brainwave control systems, direct machine-brain interfaces, take your pick, there's at least two reasons why I don't go in detail of the exact mecha mechanisms.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on September 04, 2018, 07:54:33 PM
If you can't see anything, just nuke the entire area. blanket it in tentacles

That's better.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on September 04, 2018, 09:32:22 PM
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You can't Use Magic Device if there's no Magic Device in the first place. Not even the Magitech Knight themselves can craft items of Saint Script spells.

Yeah, your wording there doesn't restrict the magic item from being made, it restricts the item from being used to cast it and scrolls don't cast, the user does, so you can make a scroll and then UMD the scroll...

Why not just turn the spells into class features that can only be used by sacrificing a slot of the appropriate spell level (whether a spell's prepared in it or not)? Works like a spell but isn't a spell or accessible like one. Or double spell slot usage.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on September 04, 2018, 10:09:08 PM
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You can't Use Magic Device if there's no Magic Device in the first place. Not even the Magitech Knight themselves can craft items of Saint Script spells.

Yeah, your wording there doesn't restrict the magic item from being made, it restricts the item from being used to cast it and scrolls don't cast, the user does, so you can make a scroll and then UMD the scroll...
Then why is the scroll's CL and DC  independent from the user's stats?

Why not just turn the spells into class features that can only be used by sacrificing a slot of the appropriate spell level (whether a spell's prepared in it or not)? Works like a spell but isn't a spell or accessible like one. Or double spell slot usage.

"Works like a spell but isn't a spell or accessible like one" raises a lot more questions than it answers. If you can neatly write it in one paragraph, I'm all ears.

Nevermind, I'll just clarify that you can't craft items of them.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on September 04, 2018, 10:17:17 PM
I think it's because it's spell completion but I don't have the rules compendium handy.

"These abilities can be activated by sacrificing 1 or 2 (delete as appropriate) spells of the indicated spell level. All caster level dependent effects use the caster level of the class granting this ability (minimum CL1). Saving throws are equal to 10+(level of slot sacrificed)+ABILITY SCORE MODIFIER. Activating these abilities takes a standard action and provokes attacks of opportunity as if casting a spell."

Something like that? Then just format them as spell blocks like normal.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on September 04, 2018, 10:30:27 PM
Edited in my reply in the most recent general discussion post (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=18552.msg336452#msg336452) since it's a more generic rules discussion now.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on September 05, 2018, 06:39:38 AM
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Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on September 05, 2018, 07:01:29 AM
Then why is the scroll's CL and DC  independent from the user's stats?

Isn't it implied in the label for scrolls as spell completion items? I.e. someone else started it and you're just finishing it. Yanno, like group projects where you do 100% of the work yourself and your partner just slaps their name on it after you finish and takes credit for it.

It also helps with making costing out scrolls a uniform matter rather than customizable minmaxed nonsense with an excessive amount of formulas to calculate every combination of CL, SplLvl, and DC.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on September 06, 2018, 07:39:13 AM
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Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on September 06, 2018, 11:21:57 AM
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Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on September 06, 2018, 06:19:54 PM
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Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on September 07, 2018, 11:50:58 AM
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Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on September 08, 2018, 11:08:36 PM
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Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on September 08, 2018, 11:51:17 PM
For what it's worth, I think all this would work a hell of a lot better if you'd stop being so hostile towards each other. Assuming that a less broken system and setting state is desirable, both not trying to abuse the hell out of something rather than explaining why it needs fixing and not making unnecessarily personal post edits would help. Being civil's nice.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on September 09, 2018, 01:35:49 AM
On the same note as Rainy there, I do find it incredibly awkward to have to read through Soro & Os' posts when they're hating on each other for just existing  :-\

Just...air out ya'll's grievances in like a DM/PM on Discord so our game threads don't get overburdened with you two clashing here >.>

I just hope we can eventually get back to a point of everyone playing more civil and friendly like we sometimes have managed to do before...
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on September 09, 2018, 02:25:37 AM
Yeah, for fuck's sake, make up or make out already.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on September 09, 2018, 03:07:33 AM
Ok, by group majority decision the recent hate speech has been removed.

SorO_Lost: As wisely pointed out by Ketaro, this isn't a personal rant thread. From now on if you have any beef with this game, you take it to me through PM. Any more insults/bad jokes/hate/bad math you post in the OOC will be replaced by pleasant pics of mechas to not ruin the other player's enjoyment of the game. Consider it a chance for a fresh start.
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on September 09, 2018, 09:54:16 AM
Thank God, I was beginning to start questioning my sanity for hanging around here.
 
I know, I know, I'll start posting again today.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on September 09, 2018, 01:55:07 PM
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Post by: oslecamo on September 09, 2018, 07:10:54 PM
Thank God, I was beginning to start questioning my sanity for hanging around here.
 
I know, I know, I'll start posting again today.
Apologies for the incovenience. If anyone has troubles with how the campaign is run, do not be afraid to send me a PM about it.

Also for your actions, you can roll some spot/listen ahead of time and let me know any special senses you have and the movement speed you'll be using, as well as any last-moment buffs.

Something else is that there were two queens that escaped through one passage and one queen that escaped through one other passage. Which one will you be following? You can also split up the NPCs between the paths. Remember that besides Nei and Rica, Aryk the esper is also there. R.I.N. should be able to carry the captured bio-creatures to safety by her own.
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on September 10, 2018, 10:54:19 AM
Oh, I definitely know about Aryk, I purposely had her stay behind. But since the Queens split guess I'll change that.

Best rolls eva!

Post edited. Eh, tell me if the yellow gets annoying, should I apply an effect to it?
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Post by: ketaro on September 10, 2018, 03:56:10 PM
Not so much annoying as unreadable haha
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Post by: Raineh Daze on September 11, 2018, 06:15:09 AM
Needs more contrast. Can't read it without highlighting.
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Post by: oslecamo on September 12, 2018, 10:55:54 AM
Getting ready to go to a physics conference in Dalian from the 13th to 16th and won't be able to properly check and post in the forums during it.

Post edited. Eh, tell me if the yellow gets annoying, should I apply an effect to it?

Yes please, yellow by itself really hard to read in this forum.
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on September 12, 2018, 11:37:56 AM
Fair, I'm trying to think of what to do with the text.
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Post by: RobbyPants on September 15, 2018, 11:00:17 AM
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Do not edit other people's posts. That is not allowed on this forum.
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Post by: ketaro on September 18, 2018, 01:17:07 AM
I did not notice at all that Os had done an update almost 2 weeks ago -_-'
Unfortunately, still does Katherine not actually have much to input here plotwise. She is so far out of this loop hahaha. Personally I am kinda out of my depth here lorewise too. As much as I love the PS universe, I've not have many opportunities to really get too far into most of the games.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on September 18, 2018, 07:59:42 AM
In the first PSO, you delve into the planet's four areas both trying to figure out WTF happened to the folks at the Pioneer 1 and trying to figure out where Red Ring Rico, accomplished Hunter and daughter to the director of Pioneer 2 ended up. On the way you find lots of message packs left behind by her, giving you hints on enemy weaknesses, behaviors and general background info on each area.

At the end of area 4, you fight Dark Falz, the series' big bad. When his body disintegrates into nothingness, a single red ring is left behind. The implications being that what caused the folks from Pioneer I to disappear was RRR going too deep into the ruins and waking DF up.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on September 18, 2018, 08:12:48 AM
It's a bit stronger than an implication.

Anyway, she's an idiot that ruined everything by poking carelessly around in ominous alien ruins turning everything on. Standard adventurer, really.
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Post by: oslecamo on September 18, 2018, 08:30:11 AM
Actually, the Pioneer 1 Army got in the ruins first and were most probably the ones that woke up Dark Falz.

Quote from: Red Ring Rica's Ruin logs

"Why am I here, with monsters lurking everywhere? Did the army even stand a chance against them?
Wreckage...! These weapons are from Pioneer 1. They must have already entered the ruins, and from the look of things, fighting went on. It must've been a big battle. Seems our army was hurt badly."
 (http://www.pscave.com/pso/script/ultruins.shtml)

You can even spot bits of broken photon weaponry in the ruins and also explains why there's boxes of supplies scattered around.

But when she realized what was going around it was too late.

Quote from: Red Ring Rica's Ruin logs

"I want to run away! But I have no place to return to... Perhaps no one will ever find this message and listen to it. Ever... Pioneer 2 will not come down when they discover that this planet is dangerous. Will somebody from Pioneer 2 still come to save us? Who knows? Regardless, I leave this message here. This is evidence of my existence."
 (http://www.pscave.com/pso/script/ultruins.shtml)
Then there's this bit:

Quote from: Red Ring Rica's Ruin logs

Don't let it come in. The dark consciousness looks for the best animal to obtain its temporal host body.
The door is already opened. We opened it. This may be the beginning of the end of the universe. We have to do something... We must do it. We have to defeat it now! Defeat it before that dark "thing" revives with the perfect body." (http://www.pscave.com/pso/script/ultruins.shtml)
So basically as the strongest hunter of Pioneer 1, Dark Force picked RRR as its new body and the army grunts were all nommed.

Anyway, in the timeline of this campaign younger Red Ring Rica is still running around, so maybe you can still avert this particular disaster.

Also trivia, at max difficulty the logs are slightly different (http://www.pscave.com/pso/script/ruins.shtml). Can you spot the differences?
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Post by: Raineh Daze on September 18, 2018, 08:44:32 AM
She went poking around in spooky ruins that had sealed themselves off again, then went poking around on the columns even more in the spooky ruins, all on her own and without waiting to see if Pioneer II would try and find out what was going on. She didn't exactly make the smartest move there, even if the army woke up the world's most mistranslated enemy.

Though the stuff the army was fighting in the ruins might not have been (directly) because of it. Might have been the defences, which would explain why the hell something came all the way out and started killing the Forest wildlife, and then the Ruins sealed again. So the place got wiped out as a defence, Rico opens it up again and gets possessed. As her ruins info says, the place is still operational and it is meant to be a sealed casket.

Though it's been a while since I played in detail, the other implication is that you're only a few hours behind her at most by the time you get to the end.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on September 18, 2018, 09:12:52 AM
Well the army was dumber since they didn't bother warning anyone "we kinda got wiped in this area by unknown enemies, so please don't go there kthanx". It's a recurring theme in the sidequests, the army's trying really hard to keep an information lockdown plus there's a bunch of subfactions each pushing their own agenda. And again by the time RRR was inside, it was too late.

As for what wiped out the Pioneer I army, it's my pet theory that Dark Falz had already corrupted the whole "casket" before they got in. It's why it's filled with darkers, and RRR does say they were already all over the place by the time she gets inside. After the army opened up said corruption spread out, making the mine's machines go crazy and heavily mutating the cave creatures, which was what triggered RRR to go look for the source since they couldn't just ignore berseker mutants and rampaging bots. And RRR also says that Pioneer II may've just ditched them in the planet if they thought it was too dangerous to land, so she didn't have that much to lose by trying to solve things on her own. She couldn't imagine it was an eldritch abomination god that could threaten the whole universe.

Plus Episode III states that all those times Dark Falz is defeated at different times/difficulties/players, they're all canon, reforming from destruction a bit stronger every time until it would've been truly unstoppable, so we all were the "dumb" adventurers opening the ruins yet again and messing stuff up. :p
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Post by: Kuroimaken on September 18, 2018, 09:16:11 AM
I always figured that the mine machines were either in place because of Pioneer I and got corrupted OR they were the line of defense put there to keep people from going into the ruins after they were sealed. After all, you DO need to cross a whole bunch of lava caves just to get to the mine area.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on September 18, 2018, 09:20:21 AM
Still, the whole plot of PSO could be massively altered just by Rico waiting a day or two. Amusing to think about.

Quote
Plus Episode III states that all those times Dark Falz is defeated at different times/difficulties/players, they're all canon, reforming from destruction a bit stronger every time until it would've been truly unstoppable, so we all were the "dumb" adventurers opening the ruins yet again and messing stuff up. :p

That means that Rico opened it countless times, got corrupted again, and then got killed again. :P
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Post by: Kuroimaken on September 18, 2018, 09:28:54 AM
So it's all explainable by endless time loops?  :lmao
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Post by: oslecamo on September 18, 2018, 09:33:35 AM
I always figured that the mine machines were either in place because of Pioneer I and got corrupted OR they were the line of defense put there to keep people from going into the ruins after they were sealed. After all, you DO need to cross a whole bunch of lava caves just to get to the mine area.
The caves boss battle is in a ferry across a water canal, so my money's on the mines having been built by Pioneer I since why bother with a ferry if you want to keep the place sealed for eternity?

Still, the whole plot of PSO could be massively altered just by Rico waiting a day or two. Amusing to think about.
Heh, if it hadn't been her it would've just been the next adventurer looking too close. Or maybe Dark Falz would've just made do with some nameless army grunt if nothing better was available.

Quote
Plus Episode III states that all those times Dark Falz is defeated at different times/difficulties/players, they're all canon, reforming from destruction a bit stronger every time until it would've been truly unstoppable, so we all were the "dumb" adventurers opening the ruins yet again and messing stuff up. :p

That means that Rico opened it countless times, got corrupted again, and then got killed again. :P

Sure, why not? Cloning is a thing in PS, so clearly the director makes a replacement of his daughter and the cycle starts anew.  :D

So it's all explainable by endless time loops?  :lmao

Well it's basically half of PSO 2's plot from what I gather.

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Post by: Kuroimaken on September 18, 2018, 09:42:02 AM
Oh, so that's what that was.

Incidentally, Os, what'd I get from those Knowledge checks, if anything?
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on September 18, 2018, 09:57:48 AM
Rolled my initiative, do I go ahead and post?
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Post by: Kuroimaken on September 18, 2018, 01:22:56 PM
Hugo was mostly talking about all the side/snide comments while talking to Nei.

After all, I'm pretty sure any peanuts Ammy chose to consume would have to be enormous.

ALL THE BETTER TO GO TO HER COLOSSAL ASS!

(I kid, I kid.)
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Post by: Raineh Daze on September 18, 2018, 03:59:37 PM
Well, she is colossal. :D
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Post by: SorO_Lost on September 19, 2018, 11:10:31 AM
I'll get around to posting soon. Buried up to my ears in reports as the whole county practices driving off the road and I've been trying to wrap up old stuff but picked up something new this week instead. All well, at least my boss told me I'll be in overtime all of next month too.   :eh
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on September 19, 2018, 02:27:20 PM
How far away is the creature from me?
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Post by: oslecamo on September 20, 2018, 03:57:20 AM
10 feet away from Stephanie.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on September 20, 2018, 04:06:34 AM
Also those not in battle please check the changelog (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=7173.msg318224#msg318224) and PM me your character sheets with the latest rules updates if relevant.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on September 20, 2018, 09:16:40 AM
Replace
Zeal (Real Pilot) [70+14]
with
Scan (Ship Captain) [5+1]
and I think mine's up to date again.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on September 20, 2018, 12:18:05 PM
It would probably be helpful to add on the table what's the highest level tier spirit you can learn at a given level, by the by.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on September 21, 2018, 11:44:02 AM
♬ So much to do, so much to see. So what's wrong with taking the back streets? You'll never know if you don't go. You'll never shine if you don't glow. Hey now, you're an all-star, get your game on, go play. Hey now, you're a rock star, get the show on, get paid. And all that glitters is gold. Only shooting stars break the mold. ♬

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Oooh look someone watched Cross Ange too.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on September 22, 2018, 11:15:42 PM
Great, imma have to keep her incapacitated, but in a way she can hear me... Given how "fresh" she is, is there a chance I can talk to the queen down?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on September 24, 2018, 04:23:24 AM
Great, imma have to keep her incapacitated, but in a way she can hear me... Given how "fresh" she is, is there a chance I can talk to the queen down?
From what Stephanie has seen and knows, not very likely, at least not without some heavy physical restraints first.
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on September 25, 2018, 11:32:37 AM
Tfw you almost missed a really important feature of your own spell.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on October 01, 2018, 12:34:28 PM
What's this? Actual good rolls?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on October 11, 2018, 12:23:06 PM
Nah I don't wanna do anything else with the remaining actions. I dunno what I'd do lol.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on October 11, 2018, 10:35:03 PM
Kuromaiken: Would Hugo have sent an invitation to Stephanie for the hot baths meeting too?

YuweaCurtis:
Would Stephanie accept Hugo's invitation if one was received?

Asking because if Stephanie isn't taking any other actions then Nei and Rica should finish off that other queen, and there would be enough time for Stephanie to go to the meeting and catch up, this way synchronizing all the players back to the same timezone and sharing what they learned, otherwise it'll just become more complicated to manage the split party.
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Post by: SorO_Lost on October 12, 2018, 12:00:45 AM
Holy, I just realized I never posted in IC and it's been 20 days. Twenty frigging days. :o

This overtime is murderous and it seems like just about everything has popped up over the last few weeks. All well, I'm sure our RP guys have been doing great I'll catch up when I can.
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on October 12, 2018, 06:54:38 AM
I don't see why not.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on October 12, 2018, 02:01:48 PM
Kuromaiken: Would Hugo have sent an invitation to Stephanie for the hot baths meeting too?

YuweaCurtis:
Would Stephanie accept Hugo's invitation if one was received?

Asking because if Stephanie isn't taking any other actions then Nei and Rica should finish off that other queen, and there would be enough time for Stephanie to go to the meeting and catch up, this way synchronizing all the players back to the same timezone and sharing what they learned, otherwise it'll just become more complicated to manage the split party.
I know it's rude, but I kinda have to answer that question with another question...

Does Hugo have enough data to trust that Steph isn't going to rush over to tell Mao everything once they're toweling off?
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on October 12, 2018, 02:05:31 PM
Oh sh, I'm a SR member....

That's not rude though. I don't blame you for being careful, even if I'm not entirely sure what's going on lol.
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Post by: oslecamo on October 12, 2018, 08:13:28 PM
Does Hugo have enough data to trust that Steph isn't going to rush over to tell Mao everything once they're toweling off?

As a veteran of the Team Silver mercenaries who favors fighting for those unable to defend themselves, Stephanie has no particular loyalties to the Android Administration and can be trusted with secrets as long as Hugo is not planning something like setting up bombs on civilian areas or dropping colonies.
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Post by: Raineh Daze on October 12, 2018, 08:22:17 PM
If he wants something like that, I demand a massive pay rise. :P
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Post by: oslecamo on October 12, 2018, 11:30:16 PM
Wait, Hugo's the one paying you? :p
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Post by: Raineh Daze on October 13, 2018, 07:07:09 AM
He isn't, but at the same time I'm not being paid to do that sort of thing either, last I checked. So he can pay the massive cost for indiscriminate terrorism if it comes up. :D
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on October 13, 2018, 12:45:06 PM
Playing some catch up and I'm trying to sort some of these people.

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Post by: ketaro on October 13, 2018, 01:33:54 PM
Murasaki belongs to the einst that sent us to the beach.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on October 15, 2018, 12:08:10 PM
I say Steph can come, then.

Also, is it cool if I point out all the hidden puns in the names there for those that don't speak Portuguese?  :P
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Post by: SorO_Lost on October 15, 2018, 12:17:22 PM
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Sweet, ty
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Post by: YuweaCurtis on October 15, 2018, 12:29:44 PM
Lol, so can I get a post to link up events?
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Post by: Kuroimaken on October 15, 2018, 12:44:43 PM
Don't forget to describe the swimsuit or photon patch used to enter the hot springs  :P
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Post by: Raineh Daze on October 15, 2018, 01:06:20 PM
I say Steph can come, then.

Also, is it cool if I point out all the hidden puns in the names there for those that don't speak Portuguese?  :P

Puns in languages I don't speak are hard.
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Post by: oslecamo on October 15, 2018, 08:15:55 PM
I say Steph can come, then.

Also, is it cool if I point out all the hidden puns in the names there for those that don't speak Portuguese?  :P
Tudo bem por mim-I mean, fine by me. :p

Lol, so can I get a post to link up events?

As per the IC, yeah go ahead, you can decide what exactly you report when dropping a bunch of captured bio-creatures with the Administration later on.
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Post by: Kuroimaken on October 16, 2018, 09:55:44 AM
Gonna give everyone else a chance to reply before I pitch in again.

So on to the puns.

Olebac Vermelha - Vermelha is Red, Olebac is cabelo (hair) backwards.

Odaetnep Azup - Azul = Blue. Odaetnep is penteado (hairdo, hairstyle) backwards.

Daniel and Vanessa Salgadinho - Salgadinho can generally mean two things. One is finger foods like mini-quiches and the like. The other is stuff like Doritos or Ruffles potato chips.

Anja Sentry - Anja means Angel.

Captain Tyler - Not a pun, but could be a reference to Irresponsible Captain Tylor.

Isabela and Layana Rio - Rio means River.

Arodatam Ogramac - Matadora Camargo backwards. Matadora means "killer". Camargo is a common surname.

That about does it.  :p
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Post by: oslecamo on October 17, 2018, 01:43:32 AM
Gonna give everyone else a chance to reply before I pitch in again.
Following on the above if your character doesn't want to say anything still post something they're listening or Hugo will be forever waiting.

Daniel and Vanessa Salgadinho - Salgadinho can generally mean two things. One is finger foods like mini-quiches and the like. The other is stuff like Doritos or Ruffles potato chips.
It is also used as an actual surname (even if not that common) and comes from "salgado" which means salty, hence why used to refer to salty foods.

Captain Tyler - Not a pun, but could be a reference to Irresponsible Captain Tylor.
Actually a reference to Phantasy Star II's Tyler (http://phantasystar.wikia.com/wiki/Tyler_(character)). He may appear for only a few moments and have like zero (fan)art besides one face sprite, but he does get a city founded with his name in PSIV where the party gets his space ship as a ride.  :pout
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on October 17, 2018, 01:55:34 AM
Is listening, chilling, mulling over massive info dumps. Honestly just not sure overall what to do about any of this.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on October 17, 2018, 10:10:20 AM
Is listening, chilling, mulling over massive info dumps. Honestly just not sure overall what to do about any of this.

Don't worry, Hugo will point you at anything that needs chopping if you get too bored.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on October 17, 2018, 10:53:51 PM
Is listening, chilling, mulling over massive info dumps. Honestly just not sure overall what to do about any of this.

Then what's Katherine (not) wearing, she just jumped into the Hot Springs with her nanoarmor? :p
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on October 18, 2018, 03:34:59 AM
Do we still need to use spoilers considering everyone's together again?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on October 18, 2018, 06:34:21 PM
Mao technically isn't.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on October 18, 2018, 06:44:25 PM
It also feels neat.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on October 18, 2018, 08:38:46 PM
It's also super annoying to type out the bbcode Everytime cause the button ain't here anymore. Worse on mobile haha
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on October 18, 2018, 10:47:12 PM
It's also super annoying to type out the bbcode Everytime cause the button ain't here anymore. Worse on mobile haha

Yeah, what's up with that? WHY NO MORE SPOILER BUTTON?!
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Post by: Raineh Daze on October 18, 2018, 11:12:43 PM
There was a button?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on October 19, 2018, 12:20:31 AM
Yes it looked mildly like a hazard sign of some kind.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on October 19, 2018, 08:41:28 AM
It's also super annoying to type out the bbcode Everytime cause the button ain't here anymore. Worse on mobile haha

Understandable. I'm just so used to typing it it's no big deal for me, especially just for the spoiler.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on October 19, 2018, 02:21:08 PM
Mods in SMF are installed using an XML file that injects the code into the scripts. The problem is SMF doesn't really like dealing with backwards compatibility so older mods typically don't work. I'm not even sure there is a spoiler mod with a button for 2.0.15 or I would have brought it up a while ago. :(
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Post by: Raineh Daze on October 19, 2018, 02:32:57 PM
Not having backwards compatibility when your modifications are done via XML is pretty impressive, given that it's a pretty descriptive format...
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on October 19, 2018, 03:06:38 PM
Not having backwards compatibility when your modifications are done via XML is pretty impressive, given that it's a pretty descriptive format...
Yeah but it's still limited to what search can find and compare too.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on October 19, 2018, 03:38:39 PM
Forgive my ignorance on board programming language, but how come the function itself works, then? Is it not a matter of assigning a shortcut to it?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on October 19, 2018, 05:17:17 PM
Forgive my ignorance on board programming language, but how come the function itself works, then? Is it not a matter of assigning a shortcut to it?
Because the mod Strat got to work doesn't offer a button in the first place.

Sadly most of them don't. Like I'm no SMF expert but it's pretty easy to grasp Post is where the stream of information is converted from bbcode to actual HTML and devise your own code using string.Replace. I mean you basically do something like this.
Code: [Select]
string.replace( /[spoiler]/gi, "<button type="button" onclick="{ if ( document.getElementById('Spoiler1').style.display == 'block' ) { document.getElementById('Spoiler1').style.display = 'none'; } else { document.getElementById('Spoiler1').style.display = 'block'; } }">Spoiler: Show/Hide</button><div id="Spoiler1" style="display: none;">" );
string.replace( /[\/spoiler]/gi, "</div>" );
In php & jquery. So it's really simple to write any text substitute you want to create new tags. But adding a button is done through GenericControls which calls context and runs through an array and like I'd have to read into it to figure out where the heck you set up the onclicks for them because I have no idea. And apparently no many people bother with figuring that out either. The easy way is to just look at a mod that already does it, but meh.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on October 19, 2018, 08:24:45 PM
And testing a different mod would require running it on the actual boards. If it ain't broke...

Think I've got a better idea now.

Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on October 20, 2018, 05:54:20 AM
Do we still need to use spoilers considering everyone's together again?

Well if it's not convenient for you feel free to don't use it until the party splits again or Anomander shows signs of life again, whichever happens first.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on October 23, 2018, 07:02:05 AM
Arotadam backwards is... Matador with an A on it. Okay. :P
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on October 23, 2018, 09:15:23 AM
I'm scrolling through recent thread and
"I'm glad you recognise how magnificent my chest is,
So it's been an interesting morning so far.

Why does the map have space on the top and bottom?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on October 23, 2018, 09:45:17 AM
I suppose show what's in orbit?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on October 23, 2018, 11:11:39 AM
Arotadam backwards is... Matador with an A on it. Okay. :P

The A makes it the female version of Matador in portuguese.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on October 23, 2018, 11:14:00 AM
Huh, I could only get it recognised as czech.

Either way, killer. What a pleasant name.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on October 24, 2018, 10:21:45 AM
Yes, the irony that their better ability scores mean they could bluff better than Hugo if they had invested in the skill does not escape me.  :P
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on October 24, 2018, 11:33:35 AM
Wherever did Amaterasu claim she was going to lie, anyway? :rolleyes
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on October 24, 2018, 11:56:22 AM
Hey, we're talking about infiltrating different organizations/sides in a war. Lying is expected, Hugo just pointed out that most of the party can't really do it.  :P

Let's roll to see if you'd find out this is a lie.

Rolled 1d20+17 : 15 + 17, total 32
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on October 24, 2018, 11:59:38 AM
Steph can lie out her ass, but I doubt people will trust her because her associations.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on October 24, 2018, 12:13:26 PM
Let's roll to see if you'd find out this is a lie.
Pffft. I knew you would lie before you posted it.

Dr House's motto "everybody lies" is highly accurate and my default assumption. Hell I've already had two patients that lied about their history this morning :p
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on October 24, 2018, 02:16:57 PM
Steph can lie out her ass, but I doubt people will trust her because her associations.

Yeah, I mean, she's hanging out with Hugo and all...

OH WAIT
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on October 31, 2018, 03:37:14 PM
Come to think of it, I have no idea what Stephanie's event meant to look like.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on November 02, 2018, 02:56:34 PM
OSLE, ARE YOU ADDING FATE/STAY NIGHT TO THE MIX?!

Are we going to have to face Gilgamesh at some point?!
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on November 02, 2018, 03:03:58 PM
Nah this is Ols we're talking about. We'll face Kazane Aoba.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on November 02, 2018, 08:13:54 PM
OSLE, ARE YOU ADDING FATE/STAY NIGHT TO THE MIX?!
(https://i.imgsafe.org/ce/ce70d4f987.jpeg)

Super Robot wars was already doing the whole "Everyone involved seems to be a grand personage or another, like they're all being drawn to the same place" before Fate/Stay Night. :P
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on November 02, 2018, 09:45:21 PM
All I wanna know is what the flying fuck is my Noble Phantasm.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on November 02, 2018, 09:58:59 PM
All I wanna know is what the flying fuck is my Noble Phantasm.

Gate of Camineet of course, giving Hugo access to a virtually endless supply of spells disks 5th level or lower. You've been using it all along!

Now the real question is who has your command seals.:p
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on November 02, 2018, 10:06:17 PM
Nobody would notice command seals on Amaterasu, she's got enough strange patterns on her wings and hand anyway.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on November 03, 2018, 10:46:12 AM
All I wanna know is what the flying fuck is my Noble Phantasm.

Gate of Camineet of course, giving Hugo access to a virtually endless supply of spells disks 5th level or lower. You've been using it all along!

Now the real question is who has your command seals.:p

I'm surprised it has nothing to do with tentacles.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on November 03, 2018, 11:38:50 AM
In fairness, Gilgamesh has proved he can cheat at being Caster by owning every magic item. But Hugo hasn't been exclusively using spells about tentacles, so why would it be that? :p
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on November 03, 2018, 02:28:25 PM
The amount of times I've actually escaped death kat might have "immortality".  :p
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on November 04, 2018, 06:59:24 AM
But Hugo hasn't been exclusively using spells about tentacles, so why would it be that? :p
Yeah, unless Hugo's covering himself in tentacles too then it's not really a tentable noble phantasm. (http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Prelati%27s_Spellbook)

The amount of times I've actually escaped death kat might have "immortality".  :p

Related, Super Robot Wars characters that die in their original series instead escaping death and then joining to your team. Master Asia, Lalah, Purus I and II (they even get team attacks despite, you know, they trying to kill each other every time they meet) and Kathejina, Gato, the Daitarn 3 subpilots, Musashi, Char and Amuro survive their climatic battle usually too. Gunbuster protagonists get to keep fighting after their finale as well. Even most of the universe survives Ideon. Kamina still dies every time though, I guess that's supposed to be too much of a plot point, but Nia gains about a century of extra time after defeating the anti-spirals so Simon gets to actually enjoy a married life.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on November 09, 2018, 10:08:25 AM
Amaterasu's not really the right person to have a philosophical argument about what it means to understand something enough to control it. :p
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on November 09, 2018, 10:29:09 AM
I have no doubt that if Ammy ever dies in a blaze of glory she'll leave a star behind.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on November 09, 2018, 05:23:47 PM
This is definitely supportive of Katherine's as animosity toward the old maid. She's one of those "Well actually..." people  :shakefist
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on November 09, 2018, 07:25:12 PM
I wonder how long it'll take you to notice Murasaki's a Dark Force agent infiltrating the party am just glad purple maid made so much of an impression on the party, in particular since she was supposed to be a semi-recurring enemy and somehow you ended up actually recruiting her.

I have no doubt that if Ammy ever dies in a blaze of glory she'll leave a star behind.

"Legends tell our sun was once a great mercenary of flesh and metal."

Phantasy Amaterasu.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on November 10, 2018, 10:31:35 AM
Yeah, I'm gonna be rolling her obedience training sometime. Hugo's got a reputation at stake as a tamer of sassy chicks to uphold.  :P
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on November 22, 2018, 02:21:44 PM
Anyone else noticed our two latest posts got eaten?  :banghead
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on November 22, 2018, 02:37:23 PM
Yea I'm just sitting here wondering what do.

Guess I'll post again tommorow, unless someone miraculously has a copy of my post.

 :banghead
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Skyrock on November 22, 2018, 05:00:41 PM
It has happened to all posts and edits from November 18th across the board. Unless you have saved your texts, your are SOL.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on November 22, 2018, 07:17:39 PM
Happened to have an old tab of the IC on my phone. Was hoping that the forum could be restored, but since it seems it won't but we can post again normally here are the relevant posts:

(click to show/hide)

(click to show/hide)

Oh, and PMs got eaten too. Those of you who sent me during that time window, mind resending them since I didn't have time to properly check them? Thanks.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on November 22, 2018, 07:28:20 PM
On the topic of PMs, I had some I deleted come back lol.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on November 22, 2018, 08:19:13 PM
I will resend pms if I can remember...

And yea I'm pretty much figured stuff was gone... But I was also aware some people actually saw the posts.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on November 22, 2018, 08:29:13 PM
Apparently kuro did, me and rainy didn't see anything it seems
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on November 22, 2018, 08:37:27 PM
I had nothing to say.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on November 23, 2018, 09:04:14 AM
Ah yes, if the party's gonna follow Hugo's "Turn on the lights" proposal of "gather as much data about Dark Force's previous incarnations as possible", you can start by rolling knowledge checks (history/royalty and nobility/arcana/planes/religion) and/or profession(gardener).
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on November 23, 2018, 09:27:44 AM
Hahaha......cause Kat has no knowledges....how merciful you are -_-'
26 gardens.....not even good at that (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=10047.msg338362#msg338362)
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on November 23, 2018, 09:47:17 AM
Lol, Gardner?

Do we need points in the skill for this roll?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on November 23, 2018, 11:46:19 AM
Its, uh, a Ancient Temple thing. Ariadne is supposedly connected to Katherine some how so that's likely the intended application for the check.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on November 23, 2018, 12:04:39 PM
Yea, I should have figured.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on November 23, 2018, 05:35:21 PM
I honestly do not get the "Miss Pandora" reference.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: SorO_Lost on November 23, 2018, 08:15:11 PM
Greek myth, after Prometheus stole fire for the mortals they gave Pandora a box (technically an urn) that contained sickness and death. She of course opened it releasing its evils on mankind but realizing what was coming out she quickly closed the container leaving deceptive expectations (also known as hope) within it.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: awaken_D_M_golem on November 24, 2018, 02:56:49 PM

Anyone else noticed our two latest posts got eaten?  :banghead

Yes.
The same thing happened to me.
I posted on PhaeXY's Warper thread, and couldn't find it the next day.
Reposted essentially the same thing.
That one took.

Still.
Eaten posts.
hmm ... the board vampire must be thirsty  :D

edit --- ahh Skyrock's post = the info.

Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on November 24, 2018, 03:45:12 PM
Greek myth, after Prometheus stole fire for the mortals they gave Pandora a box (technically an urn) that contained sickness and death. She of course opened it releasing its evils on mankind but realizing what was coming out she quickly closed the container leaving deceptive expectations (also known as hope) within it.

That would have been a more accurate analogy if he'd been responsible for setting Dark Force free in the first place, which he wasn't.  :p
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on November 24, 2018, 08:04:56 PM
I was graduating Friday, didn't look here until now.

Fortunately I know none of those things, so my rolls aren't needed.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on November 25, 2018, 02:53:22 AM
I was graduating Friday, didn't look here until now.
Congratulations on your graduation!

Fortunately I know none of those things, so my rolls aren't needed.

Hmmm, you've got Knowledge(the planes) in your character sheet, which is one of the valid options for the current check.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on November 25, 2018, 03:07:03 AM
Whoa.

Katherine actually....she actually knows something relevant!  :o
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on November 25, 2018, 08:10:59 AM
I was graduating Friday, didn't look here until now.
Congratulations on your graduation!

Thanks.

I'll be damned, I actually have a knowledge skill. I thought I didn't.

Got 28, for what it's worth. :lmao
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on November 25, 2018, 08:22:17 AM
What the heck is that scribbly stuff in my spoiler?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on November 25, 2018, 08:43:38 AM
Zalgotext or something. Basically diacritic stacking to the point of madness.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on November 25, 2018, 09:25:46 AM
What Raineh said.

Amaterasu's result shall come tomorrow after I sleep ̧͈̩̪͎̀̃͊̀̀͒̏͟͡͡a̬̠͖̥͈̟̰͇͇̭̍̍͂̈̊͡n̵̻͎͖͎͎͙͉̫̲͍̈̾͑͐̂͗̊́̕͠d̴̼̻̦̮̆̏̎́̂̇̒͟͞ d̢̢͔͓̦͍̰̪̃̿̽̑͂̍͢r̛̰̤̩̘̤̗̳͋̐̾̋e̸̘̰̲̬̩̺̰͊̆̏̇̏̌́͟ã̶͖̠̫̫̟̼̱̣̆͛͋͋͒̕͢͞͠͠m̴̢̩̺͔͙̝̫͚͑̆̊́͗͊̈́̕͜ͅ ȏ͕͓̮̪͖̤̼̯̇̉̑͡f̷̡̧̯̹̯̲͎̗̳̑̍̊͐̄̔͑̚̚͘͜ D̨̠͉͚̦͚́̀̍͆̀̐̐͘ą̵͖͖͔͎͕̻̑̏̒͛̔̓̀̈́̆̋ͅŗ̷͖̥̰̱̺͇͛͑̅̎͐͞k̟͖̲͈͇̞̖̅̒̽̇͋̂̓͛͘͞ F̢̳̣͕̦̭̃͋͑̕͞ō̡͕̮̻̲͆̊̇̑̀̈̊̚r̟͙̘͍̫̟̪̬̩̂̎̆̀̾͘͟͡c̴̨̡̩̯̤̪͎͉̀̄̆͂̔̚͝ḛ͉̟̥̗̬́͐̓̓̚͞͡ a̸̢̤̙̘̻̤̝̬̔̉͋͊̋̂͟n̺̙̘̼͇͍̱̱̽͊̋̓̚͟d̸̢̙̹̬̞̞̽̽̇̃̂̎͜͠ t̢͈͈̣̩̜̘̰̝͛̎͆͋̍́͊̄͆̍h̵̜͇̬̥̏́̾̓̾͋͡ͅḛ̦̖̳̫͊̈͒́͑ d̴̺̬̲̦̦͎̰͌͑̏̈́̅̋͘̕e̖̗̯͎̙̪̦͍͕͐̎͛̆̉̅̚͜͠͠͞á̝̜͕̬̳̔̂̑̒͗ṫ̨̪̖̗͔̹͆͂̋͋́h̷̛͍̘̲͉̹̱̬̰̀̌͂̾̍̚͝ͅ o͎͙̦͇̻͎̯̥͚͔͒͐̋̉͌͞f̢̩̝͙̭̫̞̹̘̂͑̿̈́͋̿͋̕ ĺ̷̝͍̞̤̣̆̅͗̏͡ì̦̲̭̹̰̙͇̦̈͌̅͂̌͑́ǵ̥̱̺͉̣̣̜̱̑̆̏̌́͊̅ͅḩ̸͉͎̠̲͆͌͒̑͋̾̊̋̋ẗ̨̛̟͙̗̲̠̺̜͂͑͗͜͝  t̶̡̪͙̬́̏̏̅̎̕͟͢͟h̳̠̬̮̰̯͇̆̈́͑͋͘é̶̩̺̬̠͚̳̌͋͗̌͛̕̚͘͞n̻̯̝͈̳͆͌̏̓̕ I̵̧̝̻̣̺̤̱͉̱̘̓͂̎̄͌̕̚ s̡̘͙̪̹̫̩͖̓̉͋̈́̽͌̽͡͞ͅh̨̛̹̺͖̳̭̥̠͕̑̈́̀́̍͊̚͡ͅa̢̟̦̭͒̐͛̌́͜͝͞l̗̜̖̳̫̎̔͋̀̉͑̃̕͜ḽ̶̢̡͇͖͖͋̐́̅͗͝ͅ p̵̢̖͙̖͚̤̠͋͊̓̈̍̕l̴̡̗̞̪̜̩̟̯͇̑̌̕͝͝å̵̼͈̺͖͓̋̎͌͗͆͐ͅͅy̷̡͙̯̠̺͖͖͎̺̒̑̓͗͌͝ t̴̡̩̗̖̤̐̃͋͗͑̄̌͆̒͗ͅh̢̡̞̘͈͉̙͎̮̽̎̈͊̕͜e̵̯̪̝͓̺̣͓̼͌̏̋̄̓̒͋ t̷̗͔̣̜͓̹͒̾̾͂͌̃̃̈́͗͆͢ư͕͈̞̺̰̠̠̼͓͑̉̌̓̅̆̕͝͞ͅn̦̼̻̣͙̤̓͐̉̌͋̎̓̚͜͜͞ê̡͍̪̯̙͈͈̞̽͆̕̚ t̺̼̺̩̰̗͒͑̀́̓͛̿͜h̴̢̥͙͔̘͈͛͂͆͑̊̈̄͆ȁ̢̳̗͕̯͎͚̏̏͌͂̀̕͡t̵̡͚̘̗̭̎̉̔̂̃́̽̇͑̅ e̶̠̯̹͇͈̰̦͐̑̅̃͂̐͘̕͡͡n̵̙̱̟͚͇̪̘̩̘͈̈́̾̀́͋͂̕͘͝d̡̬̺̦̱̟́̂͐͟͡͡ş̛̤̝̠͇̻͔̘̗̓͂̊̀̕ t̢̢̛̜͙͙̮̖͗̇̈͗͆͛͆͘͢͠ỉ̡̩̤̫̜͆́͑͌͆͡m̵̫̗̗͙͕̞̠̾͗̓̋͐̂͊̑̎͟ḙ̸̢̧̡̳͕͎̋̇͐͒̅͂.̶̦̦̯̹̻̇̓͂͌́̏̋͊͜͜.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on November 25, 2018, 03:33:18 PM
What the heck is that scribbly stuff in my spoiler?

Probably nothing, sweety.

Probably everything, tho.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: awaken_D_M_golem on November 26, 2018, 05:28:58 PM
 :clap ... for Raineh


(now that this is the happy happy joy joy thread)
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on November 26, 2018, 07:27:16 PM
Thank you (though I didn't notice the thread change :P)
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on November 30, 2018, 02:22:17 PM
Well, by pooling knowledge results, we can estimate some 61+ of the things.

Except for Steph denying their existence.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on December 01, 2018, 08:14:08 PM
So if nobody says anything otherwise I'll be time-skipping for you to go travel to meet Arodatam again as per Stephanie's directions since her minions are currently keeping watch of Arodatam.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on December 05, 2018, 07:42:34 AM
Kuromaiken: For convenience’s sake, I’ll be advancing the main plot for the party but Hugo is free to conduct his private meeting with Murasaki in spoilers at the same time in the IC and assume it’s already happened in the past/flashbacks.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on December 05, 2018, 07:46:48 AM
Damn, missed my chance to embarrass Katherine. :lmao
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on December 05, 2018, 07:50:26 AM
And I, thankfully, get to just let the banter with Murasaki drop because she got all awkwardly melodramatic as if trying to earn some sympathy points -_-'

But it's a place to pick up from next time we have a post-mission meeting 3 years from now  :lmao
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on December 12, 2018, 11:49:53 AM
Here's battleships and here's me never making that Raiser Sword.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on December 12, 2018, 01:16:35 PM
Kuromaiken: For convenience’s sake, I’ll be advancing the main plot for the party but Hugo is free to conduct his private meeting with Murasaki in spoilers at the same time in the IC and assume it’s already happened in the past/flashbacks.
Sure thing. That's how I figured it'd go anyways.

And I, thankfully, get to just let the banter with Murasaki drop because she got all awkwardly melodramatic as if trying to earn some sympathy points -_-'

But it's a place to pick up from next time we have a post-mission meeting 3 years from now  :lmao

See, I KNEW there was a reason for me to keep her around.  :p
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on December 16, 2018, 05:43:04 AM
And I, thankfully, get to just let the banter with Murasaki drop because she got all awkwardly melodramatic as if trying to earn some sympathy points -_-'

But it's a place to pick up from next time we have a post-mission meeting 3 years from now  :lmao
At least the party's all in the same battle this time. :P

See, I KNEW there was a reason for me to keep her around.  :p

(https://i.imgsafe.org/62/62bd1aafb9.png)
Implying Hugo doesn't try to recruit every pretty face he meets in the enemy side.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on December 16, 2018, 09:27:00 AM
OH DEAR GOD I LAUGHED MORE AT THAT THAN I SHOULD

...also, is it weird that we seem to be recurring on a pattern of making friends out of enemies we don't kill/watch self-destruct?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on December 16, 2018, 02:01:45 PM
Great it's DBZ.


And I mean, we can't see Murasaki's face....
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on December 16, 2018, 03:39:22 PM
It's a tactic my own group has adapted alot too for awhile
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on December 18, 2018, 02:55:20 AM
What's the distance to the fleet and how many can I count visible and what size is everything?

Edit:
Quote
Confirmed one class FC, three class FL, sixteen class FS!”
Went back and found this so that answers the 2nd question at least :P
Assuming the FC is largest, FL not as large, and FS are smallest but not necessarily those technical sizes, category-wise.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on December 18, 2018, 03:10:00 AM
What's the distance to the fleet and how many can I count visible and what size is everything?
Roughly 300 mu to the closest FS class from your position, closest FL is 400 mu and the FC is hanging back at 600 mu distance.

Edit:
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Confirmed one class FC, three class FL, sixteen class FS!”
Went back and found this so that answers the 2nd question at least :P
Assuming the FC is largest, FL not as large, and FS are smallest but not necessarily those technical sizes, category-wise.
FS are huge, FL are colossal, FC is Colossal+++.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on December 18, 2018, 03:21:28 AM
I'M GONNA SOLO THAT FRICKEN FORTRESS

I hope some one can clear the lil' guys -_-'
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on December 18, 2018, 06:32:43 AM
I mean I was just gonna try to damage as many as possible, but I'll see what I can do.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on December 18, 2018, 07:33:49 AM
Well go ahead with that too. I'm just in the mood to rush the 'boss' mano-a-mano.
Of course, that's like my only tactic and I do it every fight  :lmao
Kat had a good teacher
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on December 18, 2018, 09:44:47 AM
I will make a pretty star.

It won't do much damage but it'll look good.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on December 18, 2018, 09:30:03 PM
Reeeee , can't find pic for Stephanie. Grant I will only tried Google. She has short/medium orange hair, emerald green eyes (normally) and slightly pale unblemished skin. Erm clothing doesn't matter as much cause we only just need a headshot right? Tempted to be stupid and use pic of Misty.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on December 18, 2018, 10:49:47 PM
Watch, os will got you. Or I will when I get home  :p
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on December 19, 2018, 01:25:51 AM
Reeeee , can't find pic for Stephanie. Grant I will only tried Google. She has short/medium orange hair, emerald green eyes (normally) and slightly pale unblemished skin. Erm clothing doesn't matter as much cause we only just need a headshot right? Tempted to be stupid and use pic of Misty.

BAM~!
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Edit: Wooboy, a Nat 20 sure is a delicious way to pick a fight.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on December 19, 2018, 09:43:09 PM
Not sure I like the connotations of that pic, also she has a bigass bow. Def better than Misty though.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on December 19, 2018, 11:15:22 PM
In case somebody's waiting for the results of Kat's attacks, her crit is confirmed but the FC class looks like it could take quite a lot more punishment. The 3 nearby escort SF class heavily damaged by the area effect. Also they all have some sort of energy fields which soaked up some of the damage.

Also some pic suggestions for Stephanie taking in account she has a bigass bow:
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Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on December 19, 2018, 11:29:39 PM
No, no, I've just spent several days repeatedly fixing and breaking my computer. I'll try to post tomorrow.

I know what I'm doing I just need to check the maths and which maneuver it is.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on December 19, 2018, 11:36:12 PM
Lol, I meant she doesn't have a hair bow. Meh I'll search more later or bug one of my artitst friends.

Yea I was just waiting for our two fastest to post. Thinking I'll try to AoE DoT and slow.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on December 19, 2018, 11:51:32 PM
I can either run at ONE thing or attempt to hit it hard, or an area moderately hard.

The second one is prettier, and there are multiple enemies, so... :D
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on December 20, 2018, 01:14:46 AM
Don't mind me, I'll just try to keep these guys in one place so you can blast away at 'em.

Here's to hoping they don't have freedom of movement for like the bazillionth time.  :p
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on January 04, 2019, 10:08:32 AM
Bumping!

Is Hugo not going to take actions beyond observation?

Has Yuwea been taken hostage by the dark forces that whisked Mao away last chapter?

 :lmao
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on January 04, 2019, 12:04:24 PM
Nah I should have post up today or tomorrow. The holidays kidnapped me.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on January 04, 2019, 03:13:49 PM
Wait, you guys are actually waiting on me?! My bad.

(Also, my initiative is dead last, I wanted to see what you guys would do first.)
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on January 05, 2019, 05:51:28 PM
Ugh sorry I'll have to get the rolls up tomorrow.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on January 05, 2019, 11:52:16 PM
Why do I feel like I'm missing something / doing something wrong?
Something seems strange with your Inflation Square damage roll. How exactly did you reach 16d12 when it's only supposed to be double knife damage?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on January 06, 2019, 02:11:14 PM
Mythic Maid lets me use other weapons, though I could see the problem with that one....

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Modern Maid-You can pick level I weapons from the Arsenal list. You count as having Arsenal Space 10 and a reserve of 30 Energy, recovering 5 energy per round. You can change your arsenal/recharge with one hour of checking out an urban center for spare parts. You can pick this two times, the second one allows you to use Arsenal weapons for your martial disciplines as if they were favored weapons, including special limitations like  Luna Dial normally only being useable with knifes. The exception are schools that demand a feat to be used like Ancient Temple and Chinese Star.


Does it have to be a knife because it says specifically? I can reroll if so, no prob.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on January 06, 2019, 03:38:40 PM
A... really big knife?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on January 06, 2019, 07:04:59 PM
It does say picking it twice let's you use non knives for maneuvers
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on January 06, 2019, 07:06:46 PM
Mythic Maid lets me use other weapons, though I could see the problem with that one....

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Modern Maid-You can pick level I weapons from the Arsenal list. You count as having Arsenal Space 10 and a reserve of 30 Energy, recovering 5 energy per round. You can change your arsenal/recharge with one hour of checking out an urban center for spare parts. You can pick this two times, the second one allows you to use Arsenal weapons for your martial disciplines as if they were favored weapons, including special limitations like  Luna Dial normally only being useable with knifes. The exception are schools that demand a feat to be used like Ancient Temple and Chinese Star.


Does it have to be a knife because it says specifically? I can reroll if so, no prob.

Fair enough for having Modern Maid, but the Oxtongue Rifle is an in-built weapon, not an actual Arsenal weapon. Teresa's Weisswriter only has a Beam Sword and 3-linked M29 rifle for Arsenal weapons.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on January 07, 2019, 10:30:17 AM
Please don't tell me we can't chuck beam sabers now.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on January 07, 2019, 06:10:48 PM
C'mon Osle, I know you're not THAT surprised that Hugo can be a decent human being every once in a while.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on January 07, 2019, 08:15:28 PM
Please don't tell me we can't chuck beam sabers now.

That's fine, but just spotted another technical issue. Void "Inflation Square" has a range "Burst of up to 20 feet plus 5 feet per IL centered on you." Does Teresa have any ability to increase her range that I missed? Otherwise she simply can't reach the closest enemy ship (300 mu away) let alone the main enemy ship (600 mu away). Stephanie's Magic Space "Asteroid Belt" can reach fine though.

C'mon Osle, I know you're not THAT surprised that Hugo can be a decent human being every once in a while.

But I don't see any actual actions for Hugo in the IC yet! :psyduck
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on January 07, 2019, 09:08:10 PM
I meant as far as the talk with Murasaki goes!  :lmao
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on January 10, 2019, 01:58:53 AM
I meant as far as the talk with Murasaki goes!  :lmao
Hugo had already shown a decent side by helping Nei stop seeing herself as a biomonster, but Murasaki was not there so I'm still figuring out how she'll react to that side from Hugo.  :p
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on January 10, 2019, 09:51:41 AM
Based on her history, with Hugo and otherwise, I expect a mix of confusion (on several levels), combined with perhaps her first taste of positive interaction since her time with Chaz (which could produce longing, which might lead to sadness, but might also clash with her confusion so she can't figure out if she wants Hugo to keep hugging her or not) and might (MIGHT) lead to her mistaking all that for genuine attraction to Hugo. It COULD lead to her acting on it, or not, and feeling awkward about it either way.

What might surprise you either way is what response Hugo elects upon seeing how it all affects her, no matter how it turns out.

See, there's a reason Hugo's alignment isn't evil!  :p
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on January 10, 2019, 04:19:55 PM
Well shit. Given the distance I guess she isn't doing much of anything.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on January 15, 2019, 05:25:42 AM
I see mention of some of the ships closing distance. How far away are things this turn?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on January 15, 2019, 07:38:59 AM
Wait, wasn't the Disk Launcher meant to be an in-built weapon? I thought those couldn't be disarmed? I could be wrong, though.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on January 15, 2019, 07:43:36 AM
Os rules everything can be disarmed from a mecha. Including their actual arms.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on January 15, 2019, 07:54:35 AM
Shit forgot to turn on my GN Field.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on January 15, 2019, 09:23:05 AM
Well, not making those concentration checks. It was a nice hope I might get to use this maneuver. :lmao
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on January 15, 2019, 09:20:10 PM
I see mention of some of the ships closing distance. How far away are things this turn?

Closest FS class are roughly 200 mu, closest FL class 350 mu, the FC class and escorts still 600 mu around since you both pinned and entangled them.

Wait, wasn't the Disk Launcher meant to be an in-built weapon? I thought those couldn't be disarmed? I could be wrong, though.
Os rules everything can be disarmed from a mecha. Including their actual arms.
(https://imgur.com/H7QCT2E.png)
(https://imgur.com/uGFpInQ.png)

Half the fun of using robots is precisely because one can get away with ripping off body bits and not need to worry about bleeding to death then can be patched up easy enough with some repairs.

Although Murakumo being small sized doesn't help much with resisting disarms. :P

Well, not making those concentration checks. It was a nice hope I might get to use this maneuver. :lmao

Well it's a nice way to draw enemy fire, a good chunk of the beams and missiles were aimed at the giant Amaterasu charging up her attack but bounced off her plating or plain missed. :p
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on January 16, 2019, 02:27:47 AM
Just to get a rough idea, how many enemies, estimated, are in a straight line from the Party to the FC class? Obviously not all of them, but in regards to basically if I did a 600mu line attack from me to the FC class, would there be any other targets in that line?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on January 16, 2019, 08:22:44 AM
One FL class and two FS class.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on January 17, 2019, 12:05:40 AM
Oh, as target drawing it worked, I'm just sad that nobody could cover for me so I could use it.

Since if I can charge things up a bit, Amaterasu has pretty good (and massive area) AoE. xD

I guess I just need to check if I can gloriously charge into melee and act like a pinball despite being enormous.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on January 18, 2019, 02:49:22 AM
Anybody else just realize only right now that a "Ghost Fleet" might count as either incorporeal or ethereal right now?

And it took me 3 days but I did my turn! :D
Yes I actually worked on it all 3 days -_-'
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on January 20, 2019, 03:25:59 AM
Oh, as target drawing it worked, I'm just sad that nobody could cover for me so I could use it.

Since if I can charge things up a bit, Amaterasu has pretty good (and massive area) AoE. xD

I guess I just need to check if I can gloriously charge into melee and act like a pinball despite being enormous.

Amaterasu's mecha has enough space to move between the Aether Phantom ships, their formation is rather spread out.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on January 23, 2019, 08:20:23 PM
I can add fluff later, but that should do for now

Two awful attack rolls and a decent one on the worst attack bonus. :lmao
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on January 25, 2019, 01:11:53 PM
Ah, don't bother waiting for the fluff, it's just Amaterasu charging and dashing between enemies. And I've had other things on my mind that've made it hard to focus on posting.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on January 25, 2019, 02:02:14 PM
I hope you're alright.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on January 25, 2019, 02:45:42 PM
Oh, I'm fine, I'm just having to keep an eye on my father for a day or two because he slipped on some ice and hit his head. Doesn't seem like anything's come of it.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on January 26, 2019, 10:00:02 AM
Wish fast and good recovery for your father's condition!
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on January 26, 2019, 10:27:13 AM
Yeah, he seems to be recovering pretty well. Nothing that isn't in the "things not to worry about" part of this leaflet, and it's past the one day window for careful observation.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on January 26, 2019, 10:45:13 AM
Whoa. Hope nothing bad comes of it.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on January 30, 2019, 10:31:33 PM
Awesome I was Alert for nothing XD.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on January 31, 2019, 02:37:36 AM
Gawd, literally not a single good roll the damn roller  :pout
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on January 31, 2019, 11:58:45 AM
Rip second part of my maneuver having to be before I know results of attack lol. Btw, did you remember the spell raining down on them? If any are still in range that is.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on February 03, 2019, 12:09:49 PM
2 HP after all that. That was close.

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Choose one of your in built weapons. It now deals damage as if it was one size category larger and adds 1.5 the relevant stat mod to damage instead of just once (if it is a heavy weapon, 2.5 the relevant stat).

Does a main weapon count as two handed for disarming?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on February 03, 2019, 02:26:30 PM
Sorry trying to figure out if I wanna lay out cover fire or charge in.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on February 03, 2019, 09:17:47 PM
2 HP after all that. That was close.

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Choose one of your in built weapons. It now deals damage as if it was one size category larger and adds 1.5 the relevant stat mod to damage instead of just once (if it is a heavy weapon, 2.5 the relevant stat).

Does a main weapon count as two handed for disarming?

No but I'm open to suggestions about making Main Weapon gain a bonus against Disarm checks (+4 per pick perhaps?)

YuweaCurtis: Teresa's dual vanish works.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on February 04, 2019, 10:10:45 AM
Oh shit, I thought it failed? I'm assuming I can't use the Stopwatch because I already know the next attack is hitting me?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on February 05, 2019, 07:28:45 PM
Yeah, you would need to warn ahead of time you want to use Dual Vanish's stopwatch.

Also any suggestions for the next ooc thread name since we're closing 50 pages?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on February 05, 2019, 07:39:11 PM
"Time Paradoxes are Confusing"?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on February 06, 2019, 10:34:20 AM
Yea, or something to that effect. Cause boy am I confused lol.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on February 06, 2019, 12:37:31 PM
Wibbly-wobbly Mess
Aether Fleet to Katherine: "I'll be back"
Terminator Phantasy: Arnie is a Maid
Clones Make for Awkward Family Reunions
What do You Mean, "we broke the space-time continuum"?
Tentacles EVERYWHERE
Some Explanation Necessary
When in Doubt, Hit the Time Machine
In Soviet Space, Time Paradox Creates YOU!!!!
Now with 250% Less Space Nazis
Adjust for Ludicrous Speed
Everything is a Missile If It Can Explode Enough
AMAZON!!
No, Who the Hell Are YOU?!

Some ideas.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on February 06, 2019, 12:38:12 PM
Yea, or something to that effect. Cause boy am I confused lol.

Is it the Connor-class paradox, cuz I can explain that.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on February 09, 2019, 09:43:01 AM
Checks, not factoring in the proposed main weapon change yet. Main Weapon picked 3x, so that could be quite a bonus.
Updated it just now since you made a good argument so each pick of Main Weapon grants a stacking +4 to resist disarm checks.

Assuming a medium opponent and adding bonuses from size (can we just streamline this and just always have the size bonus rather than needing a comparative check?)

Sounds good. Actually the enemy rolls already including their size bonus too, guess I should've pointed it out directly. :blush

In Soviet Space, Time Paradox Creates YOU!!!!

Liking this one the most, will use it if no better suggestions come up.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on February 09, 2019, 09:58:39 AM
So how many enemies left and what's there distances?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on February 09, 2019, 11:17:48 AM
From Stephanie's position:

1x Psycho Maid at 600 mu.
3x FL class at roughly 200, 300 and 400 mu
8x FS class at roughly 200, 250, 300, 350, 400, 450, 500, 600 mu.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on February 10, 2019, 11:43:31 AM
One perfectly good opportunity for theatrics: right in front of me.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on February 11, 2019, 03:21:06 PM
Sorry that took so long...
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on February 16, 2019, 09:12:50 PM
Bump.

Could Raineh post Amaterasu's actions?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on February 18, 2019, 09:23:15 AM
Now that I'm 1) online, and 2) the site isn't being down whenever I try to... :lmao

There we go.

Damn flight, using up 52 energy in one round. Costs more than any of my actual maneuvers do.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on February 25, 2019, 04:16:48 AM
How many enemies within 35mu?
How many targets if I also wanted to target all the cables the enemy ships attached to the giant maid?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on February 25, 2019, 10:19:41 AM
Does the damage on Stephanie take into account her Alert?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on February 25, 2019, 10:23:38 AM
How many enemies within 35mu?
Only the psycho maid. Those are some pretty long cables yes.

How many targets if I also wanted to target all the cables the enemy ships attached to the giant maid?
Eight total.

Does the damage on Stephanie take into account her Alert?
Psycho Maid using Strike.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on February 25, 2019, 10:34:18 AM
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Kuroimaken on February 25, 2019, 02:02:36 PM
It looks like the die roller only goes up to 20d6. Dangit.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on February 25, 2019, 07:27:34 PM
Ha yes I remember noticing that some time ago.

Also something I forgot to reply to last time.

Now, I'm wondering about one interaction--rocket punch keeps all a weapon's properties. Drill Rocket Punch also ignores half nat AC, armour to AC, and DR. The weapon is Power and Rending. It might just ignore all of them if those stack.
That question had already come up with Anomander's character and my ruling was that when you combine two "ignore 1/2" effects then it will ignore 3/4, so we'll be keep running with that unless somebody has a strong objection.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on February 25, 2019, 11:52:23 PM
Good to know. Is there anywhere to note this interaction/other rulings so I don't repeat the same dozen questions endlessly? :lmao
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on February 26, 2019, 02:01:38 AM
I feel like Kat's just screwing around now, haha. But really its just cause she's bad at 1v1 combat. -_-'
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on February 26, 2019, 08:01:31 AM
What about my Fields then? Also I meant to activate the GN Field and not the Drive, lol I assume that's always activated.

Also yea my mecha will need an update with the Large Container buff.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on February 26, 2019, 09:14:20 AM
Good to know. Is there anywhere to note this interaction/other rulings so I don't repeat the same dozen questions endlessly? :lmao

Here. (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=18846.new#new)

What about my Fields then? Also I meant to activate the GN Field and not the Drive, lol I assume that's always activated.
If you mean any defensive field your mecha had up, please apply the respective effects.

Also yea my mecha will need an update with the Large Container buff.
Feel free to update your sheet.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: ketaro on February 26, 2019, 11:27:01 AM
I get so overwhelmed about updating due to errata of your stuff i need to wait till combat ends -_-'
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on February 26, 2019, 02:06:33 PM
Good to know. Is there anywhere to note this interaction/other rulings so I don't repeat the same dozen questions endlessly? :lmao

Here. (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=18846.new#new)


That's a link to your starting another campaign, not the new thread in this subforum. xD
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on February 26, 2019, 02:50:20 PM
Guessing the Nano Maid attack was a AoE of beams right?
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on February 27, 2019, 01:10:53 AM
Good to know. Is there anywhere to note this interaction/other rulings so I don't repeat the same dozen questions endlessly? :lmao

Here. (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=18846.new#new)


That's a link to your starting another campaign, not the new thread in this subforum. xD

Geez fine. You still saw the new Data Arquive, right? :P

Guessing the Nano Maid attack was a AoE of beams right?

Multi-target solid ammo.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: YuweaCurtis on February 27, 2019, 08:19:59 AM
I guess I should've just asked if making more targets would have a point or if they'd just get hit either way. I.E. the Time Paradox counter and Instant Diversion spell (which is a reactive Mirror Image).
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: oslecamo on February 27, 2019, 09:09:08 PM
Your character woud need to succeed on a Knowledge(History) and Martial Lore checks to know that.
Title: Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
Post by: Raineh Daze on February 27, 2019, 09:22:49 PM
Well, new OOC time.