Level | Base Attack Bonus | Fort Save | Ref Save | Will Save | Special |
1st | +1 | +2 | +0 | +2 | Empty Machine, Super Robo, Spirited |
2nd | +2 | +3 | +0 | +3 | Conscience Companion |
3rd | +3 | +4 | +1 | +3 | Two With the Machine |
4th | +4 | +4 | +1 | +4 | Conscience Spirit |
5th | +5 | +4 | +1 | +4 | Synchro Conscience |
6th | +6 | +5 | +2 | +5 | Protective Conscience |
7th | +7 | +5 | +2 | +5 | Conscience Spirit |
8th | +8 | +6 | +2 | +6 | Traveling Conscience |
9th | +9 | +6 | +3 | +6 | Conscience Spirit |
10th | +10 | +7 | +3 | +7 | Synthetic Soul |
Conscience Companion: At 2nd level the Conscience Android always gains the raw numeric benefits of Friendship, Devotion, Rivarly or Love as long as the respective target has a soul, is alive and within 100 mu, and double them if actually adjacent.Is this meant to indicate that anyone the Conscience Android (C-A) has a relationship feat with is a Conscience Companion (C-C)? (Provided the target has a soul). Mostly because the ability does not indicate how the C-A declares someone as his C-C and the intent seems to be that there would be only one at a time.
Two with the Machine: At 3rd level the Conscience Android can force have one person that she has Friendship, Devotion, Rivarly or Love to ride along her mecha. They can only use spirits and add their Cha mod to the mecha’s saves, attack and damage rolls. The Consicence Android still benefits from the raw numeric bonus of Love/Friendship/Devotion/Rivarly while they’re both piloting the same mecha. As a swift action the Conscience Android may switch controls to them, and the new pilot can give back the controls as another swift action.To be clear, the ability states that they are both piloting the mecha but puts a distinction there as to who is in control. This seems to mean that even while the C-C is has the controls, the C-A is still piloting, so he could keep One with the Machine active despite not being in control.
Synchro Conscience: At 5th level the Conscience Android can perform a Synchro Attack with her Conscience Companion while using Two with the Machine, plus benefit from any of her stances or other on-going self-buffs.I take it to mean that the synchro attack is triggered when the C-A and the C-O both took the controls during the same turn and damage the same target... but how does the synchro attack actually happen?
Protective Conscience: At 6th level with 1 minute of work the Conscience Android can allow somebody else adjacent to benefit from Empty Machine. Only one other person can benefit from this at a time, but they can pass on the bonus to somebody else with another minute of work. The Conscience Android can void this bonus as an immediate action.Empty Machine grants the hit points of the mecha. That stat uses the mecha's original hit points even when it is currently under the effect of One with the Machine, correct?
Synthetic Soul: Can one choose NOT to get the limited wish/wish SLAs? Because getting an SLA means you no longer have access to the Entropy Elemental feat. Also, is this a Supernatural ability?Osl almost never marks his abilities and the last ruling I had was roll it, so hope for Extraordinary and it may solve your other question.
Sound.Yeah, added a 8 hour bonding ritual, and functioning/active to living, since it's still meant to work if the Conscience Companion is bleeding to death or something.
Currently fiddling with the idea of using this PrC. Here's some more Qs.QuoteConscience Companion: At 2nd level the Conscience Android always gains the raw numeric benefits of Friendship, Devotion, Rivarly or Love as long as the respective target has a soul, is alive and within 100 mu, and double them if actually adjacent.Is this meant to indicate that anyone the Conscience Android (C-A) has a relationship feat with is a Conscience Companion (C-C)? (Provided the target has a soul). Mostly because the ability does not indicate how the C-A declares someone as his C-C and the intent seems to be that there would be only one at a time.
Also, when it says that the C-C must be alive, is alive meant as a mechanical term for "still at positive hit points" or is it meant to say that the target must be a living creature, which is the usual term used to refer to those.
Yes.QuoteTwo with the Machine: At 3rd level the Conscience Android can force have one person that she has Friendship, Devotion, Rivarly or Love to ride along her mecha. They can only use spirits and add their Cha mod to the mecha’s saves, attack and damage rolls. The Consicence Android still benefits from the raw numeric bonus of Love/Friendship/Devotion/Rivarly while they’re both piloting the same mecha. As a swift action the Conscience Android may switch controls to them, and the new pilot can give back the controls as another swift action.To be clear, the ability states that they are both piloting the mecha but puts a distinction there as to who is in control. This seems to mean that even while the C-C is has the controls, the C-A is still piloting, so he could keep One with the Machine active despite not being in control.
This ability seems to grant the benefits of the relationship feats only to the C-A while they are piloting the same mecha, no matter who is in control; intended? Synchro Conscience later seems to bypass the issue for the purpose of doing synchro attacks even though the C-C doesn't benefit from his relationship feats.Added clause that the Conscience Companion will also benefit from the relationship feats between both.
Also, this seems to still allow the C-C to stop piloting and only ride along the mecha with a move action, then later start piloting again with another move action. When this happens the C-A must get the controls back with a move action as well, correct? And the C-C seems to only need to ride the mecha to grant his Cha mode to stuff and use spirits.Swapping controls still a swift action. Added clause that the Cha bonus is only applied while both ride the mecha.
Clarified that during the Syncho attack both count as able to control the mecha.QuoteSynchro Conscience: At 5th level the Conscience Android can perform a Synchro Attack with her Conscience Companion while using Two with the Machine, plus benefit from any of her stances or other on-going self-buffs.I take it to mean that the synchro attack is triggered when the C-A and the C-O both took the controls during the same turn and damage the same target... but how does the synchro attack actually happen?
If, say, the C-A attacks that target on the next turn, the C-C cannot do his part of the synchro without the controls, which require a swift action. Or is it intended that during synchros alone they both have the controls?
Also, when it says the C-A benefits from any of the C-C's stances or other ongoing self-buffs, is this meant to refer to the C-C's currently active stance or any one stance she has access to or any one other ongoing self-buff the C-C is currently benefiting from (one or the other)?
How does the C-A change which ongoing effect he is benefiting from?
Yes, clarified.QuoteProtective Conscience: At 6th level with 1 minute of work the Conscience Android can allow somebody else adjacent to benefit from Empty Machine. Only one other person can benefit from this at a time, but they can pass on the bonus to somebody else with another minute of work. The Conscience Android can void this bonus as an immediate action.Empty Machine grants the hit points of the mecha. That stat uses the mecha's original hit points even when it is currently under the effect of One with the Machine, correct?
Synthetic Soul: Can one choose NOT to get the limited wish/wish SLAs? Because getting an SLA means you no longer have access to the Entropy Elemental feat.Unless you can give me a really good reasoning, the Conscience Android's playing for team anti-entropy, that with building up a soul out of dreams and stuff.
Also, is this a Supernatural ability?Added clause to the Introduction thread that unless otherwise noticed, everything here that's not raw spellcasting/manifesting or SLAs/PLAs counts as Ex. SCIENCE/nanomachines/piloting skillz did it.
Any of those class abilities supernatural? I don't remember if spirits are supernatural abilities either and whether they work in an AMF or not.
Current stance, bonus changeable as a swift action.Okay, so whenever the C-C changes her stance, that changes for the C-A as well. And the C-A benefits from the stance or the ongoing effect, not both. Sounds good.
Unless you can give me a really good reasoning, the Conscience Android's playing for team anti-entropy, that with building up a soul out of dreams and stuff.There is no magic involved and no interference from some deity or other. Its generation works the same way the spirits work, thanks to science/piloting skillz/etc. Having a soul by itself isn't anti-entropy either and scientific explanations as to why the soul was created can be devised in similar ways that they would explain how souls come to happen in nature in the first place. In the PSO campaign, for example: "A single soul can also be fragmented over different bodies. With a bit of luck and a lot of work a fragment may grow into a fully fledged new soul." So it could well be that this android soul, given the way Conscience Androids work, was simply the completed process of the android getting a fragment of his conscience companion's soul (which may happen without them even realizing it) and then nurturing it into a full soul.
That clears it all up. Thank you.Do notice that while not in the controls, the Conscience Companion can't take actions besides spirits.QuoteCurrent stance, bonus changeable as a swift action.Okay, so whenever the C-C changes her stance, that changes for the C-A as well. And the C-A benefits from the stance or the ongoing effect, not both. Sounds good.
Fair enuff, added an alternative option for using a cha-based maneuver instead.QuoteUnless you can give me a really good reasoning, the Conscience Android's playing for team anti-entropy, that with building up a soul out of dreams and stuff.There is no magic involved and no interference from some deity or other. Its generation works the same way the spirits work, thanks to science/piloting skillz/etc. Having a soul by itself isn't anti-entropy either and scientific explanations as to why the soul was created can be devised in similar ways that they would explain how souls come to happen in nature in the first place. In the PSO campaign, for example: "A single soul can also be fragmented over different bodies. With a bit of luck and a lot of work a fragment may grow into a fully fledged new soul." So it could well be that this android soul, given the way Conscience Androids work, was simply the completed process of the android getting a fragment of his conscience companion's soul (which may happen without them even realizing it) and then nurturing it into a full soul.
Added clause to the Introduction thread that unless otherwise noticed, everything here that's not raw spellcasting/manifesting or SLAs/PLAs counts as Ex. SCIENCE/nanomachines/piloting skillz did it.So a 2nd Officer burning part of their Spirit to Pray away their captain being magically turned into solid rock is no longer a short entry description of the Cleric Class but an Extraordinary effect everyone has learned how to do. Not surprised in the very least. Personally I know that while any sufficiently advanced technology may be indistinguishable from magic, the explanation of how you can impose your will on the world doesn't change how any of it works so I would have gone another way.
...counts as having the same amount of energy instead of her own (including the basic 5 energy recovery per turn) as well as any special mecha properties such as transformation and barriers/coats/resistances/Regen/Reactor (do not count arsenal or benefits from others).It is a bit unclear as to what counts as mecha properties for the purpose of Empty Machine. And also what is meant by not counting Arsenal and "benefits from others".
Correct, they don't transfer.Quote from: Empty Machine...counts as having the same amount of energy instead of her own (including the basic 5 energy recovery per turn) as well as any special mecha properties such as transformation and barriers/coats/resistances/Regen/Reactor (do not count arsenal or benefits from others).It is a bit unclear as to what counts as mecha properties for the purpose of Empty Machine. And also what is meant by not counting Arsenal and "benefits from others".
Since Hardpoint and Arsenal space are Mecha general properties rather than special properties, aren't mentioned in the list of general properties and are also specifically called off not counting, safe to say those aren't transferring. Same goes for the 'Standard Extras' (heat shielding/black box/lights) as they aren't special properties.
What confuses me a bit though is that in the examples of special properties, "resistances" are included, but those aren't special mecha properties. I think the most typical way for a mecha to get resistances would be through the Super Robot upgrades. So is it meant to also transfer the benefits of Super upgrades (beyond those that directly affect the other stats or grant actual special properties)?If the mecha had gained resistance or something else from somebody else (say a Support Staff), they wouldn't be transfered.
It seems like it could, but the line about not counting "benefits from others" makes this unclear.