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Title: Base Class Reference & Tier Information (PlzBreakMyCampaign)
Post by: Larkas on February 02, 2013, 03:10:00 PM
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EDITOR'S NOTE: This is a transcription of the original thread by PlzBreakMyCampaign, found here (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=11714).
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I have staged a coup of the Why Tier X's are in Tier X series of threads (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=5070.0) with a complete list. My hope is to free JaronK the burden of now a 3rd and a maybe 4th 'tier system for classes' thread. This will save the discussion of tiers themselves for the tier thread. Concern over specific classes can go here.

Let me know if I am missing any non-variant base class in 3.5 (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=10871.msg371678#msg371678). I intend to include them all.

I do not claim to intimately know or play each class. The work I have done is completely at the mercy of the boards and my be changed, so please try to keep indignation to its lowest. Any balance concerns are considered after the dirty handbook fixes (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=3288.0).

You will notice that the upper tiers are casters. If you are looking for all casting classes, feel free to look here (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=8664.0).

Finally, I will try to keep up with the discussion and add mention about specific class features when needed; hence the two posts per tier.


Coloring Key for optimizing the base classes:
Too simple or too few options: It is just about as powerful or weak as it is going to be even after optimization so it's not worth the effort. For low tier classes this means you can't stretch it into higher tiers as easily. For upper tiers its nice that you probably won't suck that much even if you are fairly new.
Some complexity, some options: You get out what you put in. Heavy optimization won't be as obvious as blue colored, but it will be noticable. Consider this normal 'stretchiness' to go up or down a tier dependent on the build and player. JaronK noticed that optimization bumps up or down a tier - two for classes on the edge or with more extensive cheese. This is normal.
Too complex or too many options: You get more than what you put in. You really need to understand how this class works. For high tier classes this is bad because you can't start cold and be the epitome of tier 1. For lower tier classes this is actually a good thing because if you try, you can pull it up more than normal. However it might be frustrating to get past the learning curve.


Tier Outline
6(3+3NPC): Aristocrat (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/npcClasses/aristocrat.htm), Commoner (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/npcClasses/commoner.htm), Divine Mind (CP 9), Warrior (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/npcClasses/warrior.htm), Samurai (CW 6), Truenamer (TM 198)

5 (14+2NPC): Battledancer (DC 26), Divine Mind (with Web Enhancements (https://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20070629a)), Eidolon (Gh 16), Expert (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/npcClasses/expert.htm), Fighter (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/fighter.htm), Healer (MH 8), Knight (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060501a&page=2), Lurk (CP 13), Magewright (ECS 256), Mariner (LotT 13), Mlar (Dungeon Magazine 100 256-257 githyanki section), Monk (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/monk.htm), Ninja (CAd 5), Noble (DCS 50), Paladin (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/paladin.htm), Samurai (with Imperious Command feat (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20070430a&page=2)), Soulborn (MoI 25), Soulknife (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/classes/soulknife.htm), Swashbuckler (CW 11)

4 (18+1NPC): Adept (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/npcClasses/adept.htm), Barbarian (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/barbarian.htm), Dragonfire Adept (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060912a&page=2) (with Breath Effects (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060912a&page=3)), Dragon Shaman (PHB2 11), Fighter (Dungeon Crasher variant), Jester (DC 36), Hexblade (CW 5), Marshal (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20030906b), Master (WotL 21), Montebank (DC 42), Nightstalker (Races of Ansalon 156), Ranger (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/ranger.htm), Rogue (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/rogue.htm), Savant (DC 45), Scout (CAd 10), Spellthief (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20050107a&page=1), Sohei (OA 27), Totemist (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20050907a&page=3), Warlock (CArc 5), Warmage (CArc 10)

3 (16): Ardent (CP 5), Bard (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/bard.htm), Beguiler (PHB2 6), Binder (TM 9), Crusader (ToB 8), Dread Necromancer (HH 84), Duskblade (PHB2 19), Factotum (Du 14), Incarnate (MoI 20), Psychic Rogue (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20040723b) (with powers (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20040723c)), Psychic Warrior (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/classes/psychicWarrior.htm), Ranger (Wildshape variant), Shadowcaster (TM 111), Shugenja (CD 10), Swordsage (ToB 15), Warblade (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060802a&page=2), Wilder (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/classes/wilder.htm)

2 (9): Binder (with Online (http://69.8.198.251/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20070307a) Vestiges (http://69.8.198.251/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20070307a)), Death Master (DC 31), Favored Soul (CD 6), Mystic (DCS 47), Psion (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/classes/psion.htm), Sha'ir (DC 51), Shaman (OA 23), Sorcerer (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/sorcererWizard.htm#sorcerer), Spirit Shaman (CD 14), Wu Jen (CArc 14)

1 (6): Archivist (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20051007a&page=3), Artificer (ECS 29), Cleric (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/cleric.htm), Druid (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/druid.htm), "Erudite" variant Psion (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20060406b&page=1) (with Spell to Power ACF (https://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20070629a)), Wizard (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/sorcererWizard.htm#wizard)

Other (12): Aberrant Paragon (DragMag332 45), Eidoloncer (Gh 17), Drow Paragon (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/racialParagonClasses.htm#drowParagon), Dwarf Paragon (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/racialParagonClasses.htm#dwarfParagon), Elf Paragon (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/racialParagonClasses.htm#elfParagon), Gnome Paragon (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/racialParagonClasses.htm#gnomeParagon), Half-Dragon Paragon (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/racialParagonClasses.htm#half-dragonParagon), Half-Elf Paragon (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/racialParagonClasses.htm#half-elfParagon), Half-Orc Paragon (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/racialParagonClasses.htm#half-orcParagon), Halfling Paragon (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/racialParagonClasses.htm#halflingParagon), Human Paragon (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/racialParagonClasses.htm#humanParagon), Kobold Paragon (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060127a), Orc Paragon (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/racialParagonClasses.htm#orcParagon), Tiefling Paragon (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/racialParagonClasses.htm#tieflingParagon)



Tier Relative Amount Breakdown: (missing a few classes, feel free to recalculate)
6: 8.3% with NPCs, 4.5% without
5: 22.2% with NPCs, 21.2% without
4: 26.3% with NPCs, 27.2% without
3: 22.2% with NPCs, 24.2% without
2: 12.5% with NPCs, 13.6% without
1: 8.3% with NPCs, 9% without

Displayed in groups of 2:
6&5: 30.6% with NPCs, 25.8% without
4&3: 48.6% with NPCs, 51.5% without
2&1: 20.8% with NPCs, 22.6% without

Results:
The mode is Tier 4 which JaronK suspected might be the 'default' level of power a PC should have, followed by Tier 3. Notice that when NPC classes are considered Tier 3 and 5 tie for second place, making us even more sure that Tier 4 is truly the norm. Tier 6 and 1 have the same number of outliers when NPC classes are considered, which is good because each is considered 'broken' albeit in opposite manners. Furthermore the mostly non-casting Tier 5 makes up a greater chunk than the all full caster classes of Tier 2, perhaps indicating greater hesitation with 9th level spells and powers.
Title: Re: Base Class Reference & Tier Information (PlzBreakMyCampaign)
Post by: Larkas on February 02, 2013, 03:18:35 PM
Base Class Chassis Chart

Class?+intd?BABFortRefWill* = Variable Tier
Aberrant Paragon2+d8?3/4BadBadGood*
Aristocrat4+d83/4BadBadGoodNPC
AdeptNPC
Archivist
Ardent
Artificer
Barbarian
Bard
Battledancer4+d8FullBadGoodBad
Beguiler
Binder
Cleric
Commoner2+d41/2BadBadBadNPC
Crusader
Dargonfire Adept
Death Master
Divine Mind2+d103/4GoodBadGood
Dragon Shaman
Dread Necromancer
Drow Paragon
Druid
Duskblade
Dwarf Paragon
Eidolon2+d8FullBadBadGood~1
Eidoloncer2+d61/2BadBadGood~1*
Elf Paragon
Erudite
Expert6+d63/4BadBadGoodNPC
Factotoum
Favored Soul
Fighter2+d10FullGoodBadBad
Gnome Paragon
Half-Dragon Paragon
Half-Elf Paragon
Half-Orc Paragon
Halfling Paragon
Healer4+d81/2GoodBadGood
Hexblade
Human Paragon
Incarnate
Jester
Knight2+d12FullBadBadGood
Kobold Paragon
Lurk
Magewright2+d41/2BadBadGood
Mariner6+d8FullGoodGoodBad
Marshall
Master
Mlar4+d63/4BadBadGoodNPC
Monk4+d83/4GoodGoodGood
Montebank
Mystic
Nightstalker4+d63/4BadGoodGood
Ninja6+d63/4BadGoodBad
Noble4+d83/4BadGoodGood
Orc Paragon
Paladin2+d10FullGoodBadBad
Psion
Psychic Rogue
Psychic Warrior
Ranger
Rogue
Samurai2+d10FullGoodBadBad
Savant
Scout
Sha'ir
Shadowcaster
Shaman
Shugenja
Sohei
Sorcerer
Soulborn2+d10FullGoodBadBad
Soulknife
Spelltheif
Spirit Shaman
Swashbuckler
Swordsage4+d103/4BadGoodGood
Tiefling Paragon
Totemist
Truenamer4+d63/4BadBadGood
Warblade
Warlock
Warmage
Warrior2+d8FullGoodBadBadNPC
Wilder
Wizard
Wu Jen
Title: Re: Base Class Reference & Tier Information (PlzBreakMyCampaign)
Post by: Larkas on February 02, 2013, 03:20:09 PM
In-Class Skills Charts


Abbreviations for Table 1: United, PHB Skills
A = Appraise (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/appraise.htm)
Ba = Balance (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/balance.htm)
Bl = Bluff (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/bluff.htm)
Cl = Climb (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/climb.htm)
Co = Concentration (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/concentration.htm)
Cr = Craft (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/craft.htm)
DS = Decipher Script (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/decipherScript.htm)
Dm = Diplomacy (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/diplomacy.htm)
DD = Disable Device (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/disableDevice.htm)
Dg = Disguise (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/disguise.htm)
EA = Escape Artist (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/escapeArtist.htm)
F = Forgery (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/forgery.htm)
GI = Gather Information (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/gatherInformation.htm)
HA = Handle Animal (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/handleAnimal.htm)
He = Heal (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/heal.htm)
Hi = Hide (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/hide.htm)
I = Intimidate (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/intimidate.htm)
J = Jump (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/jump.htm)
L = Listen (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/listen.htm)
MS = Move Silently (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/moveSilently.htm)
OL = Open Lock (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/openLock.htm)
P = Profession (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/profession.htm)
R = Ride (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/ride.htm)
Se = Search (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/search.htm)
SM = Sense Motive (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/senseMotive.htm)
SH = Sleight Of Hand (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/sleightOfHand.htm)
SL = Speak Language (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/speakLanguage.htm)
Sc = Spellcraft (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/spellcraft.htm)
Sp = Spot (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/spot.htm)
Su = Survival (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/survival.htm)
Sw = Swim (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/swim.htm)
Tu = Tumble (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/tumble.htm)
UM = Use Magic Device (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/useMagicDevice.htm)
UR = Use Rope (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/useRope.htm)


Abbreviations for Table 2: Separate or non-PHB Skills
AH = Autohypnosis (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/skills/autohypnosis.htm)
IF = Iajitsu Focus (OA 58)
KA = Knowledge (Arcana) (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/knowledge.htm)
Ke = Knowledge (Architecture and Engineering) (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/knowledge.htm)
KD = Knowledge (Dungeoneering) (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/knowledge.htm)
KG = Knowledge (Geography) (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/knowledge.htm)
KH = Knowledge (History) (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/knowledge.htm)
KL = Knowledge (Local) (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/knowledge.htm)
KNa = Knowledge (Nature) (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/knowledge.htm)
KNo = Knowledge (Nobility and Royalty) (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/knowledge.htm)
KPs = Knowledge (Psionics) (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/skills/knowledgePsionics.htm)
KR = Knowledge (Religion) (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/knowledge.htm)
KPl = Knowledge (The Planes) (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/knowledge.htm)
Ps = Psicraft (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/skills/psicraft.htm)
PA = Perform (Act) (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/perform.htm)
PC = Perform (Comedy) (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/perform.htm)
PD = Perform (Dance) (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/perform.htm)
PK = Perform (Keyboard Instruments) (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/perform.htm)
PO = Perform (Oratory) (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/perform.htm)
PP = Perform (Percussion Instruments) (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/perform.htm)
PSt = Perform (String Instruments) (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/perform.htm)
PW = Perform (Wind Instruments) (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/perform.htm)
PSi = Perform (Sing) (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/perform.htm)
TS = Truespeak (ToM 195)
UP = Use Psionic Device (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/skills/usePsionicDevice.htm)


Table 1: United, PHB Skills
ClassABaBlClCoCrDSDmDDDgEAFGIHAHeHiIJLMSOLPRSeSMSHSLScSpSuSwTuUMUR
Aberrant ParagonBlClCoDmEAHiIMSSMSu
AristocratABlDmDgFGIHAILRSMSLSpSuSw
Adept
Archivist
Ardent
Artificer
Barbarian
Bard
BattledancerBaClEAHiJLMSOLSHSwTu
Beguiler
Binder
Cleric
CommonerClCrHAJLPRSpSwUR
Crusader
Dragonfire Adept
Death Master
Divine MindClCoCrJPRSw
Dragon Shaman
Dread Necromancer
Drow Paragon
Druid
Duskblade
Dwarf Paragon
EidolonBaBlCoHiISMSp
EidoloncerCoSc
Elf Paragon
Erudite
Expert Any 10Any 10
FactotoumABaBlClCoCrDSDmDDDgEAFGIHAHeHiIJLMSOLPRSeSMSHSLScSpSuSwTuUMUR
Favored Soul
FighterClCrHAIJR
Gnome Paragon
Half-Dragon Paragon
Half-Elf Paragon
Half-Orc Paragon
Halfling Paragon
HealerCoCrDmHAHePSMScSu
Hexblade
Human Paragon
Incarnate
Jester
Kobold Paragon
KnightClHAIJRSw
Lurk
MagewrightCoCrHAPSc
MarinerBaBlClCrEAGIJPSLSpSuSwTuUR
Marshall
Master
MlarCoCrPScSu
MonkBaClCoCrDmEAHiJLMSPSMSpSwTu
Montebank
Mystic
NightstalkerBaBlCoCrDmDDEAGIHiLMSOLPSeSHScSpSuUMUR
NinjaBaBlClCoCrDgEAHiJLMSOLSeSMSHSpSwTu
NobleABlDmGIILPRSMSL
Orc Paragon
PaladinCoCrDmHAHePRSM
Psion
Psychic Rogue
Psychic Warrior
Ranger
Rogue
SamuraiCoCrDmIRSM
Savant
Scout
Sha'ir
Shadowcaster
Shaman
Shugenja
Sohei
Sorcerer
SoulbornBlClCoCrDmGIHAHeIPRScSw
SoulknifeClCoCrHiJLMSPSpTu
Spelltheif
Spirit Shaman
Swashbuckler
Swordsage
Tiefling Paragon
Totemist
TruenamerCoCrUMUR
Warblade
Warlock
Warmage
WarriorClHAIJRSw
Wilder
Wizard
Wu Jen
Title: Re: Base Class Reference & Tier Information (PlzBreakMyCampaign)
Post by: Larkas on February 02, 2013, 03:20:46 PM
Table 2: Separate or non-PHB Skills

ClassAHIFKAKeKDKGKHKLKNaKNoKPsKRKPlPsPAPCPDPKPOPPPStPWPSiTSUP
Aberrant ParagonKDKPl
AristocratKAKeKDKGKHKLKNaKNoKPsKRKPlPAPCPDPKPOPPPStPWPSi
Adept
Archivist
Ardent
Artificer
Barbarian
Bard
BattledancerPAPCPDPKPOPPPStPW
Beguiler
Binder
Cleric
Commoner
Crusader
Dargonfire Adept
Death Master
Divine MindAHKPsKRPs
Dragon Shaman
Dread Necromancer
Drow Paragon
Druid
Duskblade
Dwarf Paragon
EidolonKNaKPl
EidoloncerKAKNaKRKPl
Elf Paragon
Erudite
Expert Any 10Any 10
FactotoumAHIFKAKeKDKGKHKLKNaKNoKPsKRKPlPsPAPCPDPKPOPPPStPWPSiTSUP
Favored Soul
Fighter
Gnome Paragon
Half-Dragon Paragon
Half-Elf Paragon
Half-Orc Paragon
Halfling Paragon
HealerKNaKR
Hexblade
Human Paragon
Incarnate
Jester
KnightKNo
Kobold Paragon
Lurk
MagewrightKAKeKDKGKHKLKNaKNoKPsKRKPl
MarinerKLKNa
Marshall
Master
MlarKAKeKDKGKHKLKNaKNoKPsKRKPl
MonkKAKRPAPCPDPKPOPPPStPW
Montebank
Mystic
NightstalkerKAKLKR
Ninja
NobleKAKeKDKGKHKLKNaKNoKPsKRKPl
Orc Paragon
PaladinKNoKR
Psion
Psychic Rogue
Psychic Warrior
Ranger
Rogue
SamuraiKHKNo
Savant
Scout
Sha'ir
Shadowcaster
Shaman
Shugenja
Sohei
Sorcerer
SoulbornKAKPl
SoulknifeAHKPs
Spelltheif
Spirit Shaman
Swashbuckler
Swordsage
Tiefling Paragon
Totemist
TruenamerKAKeKDKGKHKLKNaKNoKPsKRKPlPOTS
Warblade
Warlock
Warmage
Warrior
Wilder
Wizard
Wu Jen
Title: Re: Base Class Reference & Tier Information (PlzBreakMyCampaign)
Post by: Larkas on February 02, 2013, 03:22:36 PM
Classes in Tier 6

Divine Mind (before Mind's Eye updates):
Why its Defunct:
(click to show/hide)


Truenamer
Why its Defunct:
(click to show/hide)


Samurai (without Imperious Command)
Why its Defunct:
PrC's:
Exotic Weapon Master: 1 level gets the Exotic Blow ability, which is very solid PA damage.
Ronin: Mentioned earlier.
Kensai: The Samurai is one of the few classes with all Kensai class skills, and the oath of service meshes well with the samurai's vow.  It's not THAT exciting, but it is a very flavorful class, and choosing your own weapon enhancements is a lot of fun.
Knight Protector: This will make you more of a tank, though none of the features are awesome (as a sidenote, you gain Tower Shield proficiency without knowing any other shields!)
Knight of the Iron Glacier (FB): C'mon.  It already requires EWP: Bastard Sword, and you KNOW you want to ride a giant rhinoceros!
Bloodstorm Blade (TOB): First, it requires MCing into warblade, which is better than samurai.  Second, it will let you change your EWP: Bastard Sword to any other weapon - and the same should apply to your other subpar feats that specify only a bastard sword and short sword.  Besides, throwing weapons as a full melee attack is just awesome. -Akalsaris
(click to show/hide)


Warrior:
Why its Defunct:


Aristocrat:
Why its Defunct:


Commoner:
Why its Defunct:
Title: Re: Base Class Reference & Tier Information (PlzBreakMyCampaign)
Post by: Larkas on February 02, 2013, 03:24:48 PM
Classes in Tier 5a

Paladin
Why it Doesn't Do its Job Well:
(click to show/hide)


Magewright
Why it Doesn't Do its Job Well:
(click to show/hide)


Fighter
Why it Doesn't Do its Job Well:
(click to show/hide)


Healer
Why it Doesn't Do its Job Well:
(click to show/hide)


Divine Mind (with Web Enhancements)
Why it Doesn't Do its Job Well:
(click to show/hide)


Mlar
Why it Doesn't Do its Job Well:
(click to show/hide)


Soulborn
Why it Doesn't Do its Job Well:
(click to show/hide)


Eidolon
Why it Doesn't Do its Job Well:
(click to show/hide)


Lurk
Why it Doesn't Do its Job Well:
(click to show/hide)


Monk
Why it Doesn't Do its Job Well:
(click to show/hide)


Samurai (with Imperious Command feat)
Why it Doesn't Do its Job Well:
(click to show/hide)


Ninja
Why it Doesn't Do its Job Well:
(click to show/hide)


Battledancer
Why it Doesn't Do its Job Well:
(click to show/hide)


Knight
Why it Doesn't Do its Job Well:
(click to show/hide)


Swashbuckler
Why it Doesn't Do its Job Well:
(click to show/hide)


Mariner
Why it Doesn't Do its Job Well:
(click to show/hide)


Expert
Why it Doesn't Do its Job Well:
(click to show/hide)


Soulknife
Why it Doesn't Do its Job Well:
(click to show/hide)


Noble
Why it Doesn't Do its Job Well:
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Base Class Reference & Tier Information (PlzBreakMyCampaign)
Post by: Larkas on February 02, 2013, 03:26:00 PM
Classes in Tier 5b
Title: Re: Base Class Reference & Tier Information (PlzBreakMyCampaign)
Post by: Larkas on February 02, 2013, 03:27:08 PM
Classes in Tier 4a

Totemist
Why it Can Only Do its Job:
(click to show/hide)


Jester
Why it Can Only Do its Job:
(click to show/hide)


Barbarian
Why it Can Only Do its Job:
(click to show/hide)


Savant
Why it Can Only Do its Job:
(click to show/hide)

Adept
Why it Can Only Do its Job:
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Marshal
Why it Can Only Do its Job:
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Ranger
Why it Can Only Do its Job:
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Rogue
Why it Can Only Do its Job:
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Warlock
Why it Can Only Do its Job:
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Fighter (Dungeon Crasher variant)
Why it Can Only Do its Job:
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Dragonfire Adept
Why it Can Only Do its Job:
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Spellthief
Why it Can Only Do its Job:
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Master
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Warmage
Why it Can Only Do its Job:
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Scout
Why it Can Only Do its Job:
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Dragon Shaman
Why it Can Only Do its Job:
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Hexblade
Why it Can Only Do its Job:
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Sohei
Why it Can Only Do its Job:
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Nightstalker
Why it Can Only Do its Job:
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Montebank
Why it Can Only Do its Job:
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Title: Re: Base Class Reference & Tier Information (PlzBreakMyCampaign)
Post by: Larkas on February 02, 2013, 03:27:42 PM
Classes in Tier 4b
Title: Re: Base Class Reference & Tier Information (PlzBreakMyCampaign)
Post by: Larkas on February 02, 2013, 03:28:44 PM
Classes in Tier 3a

Factotum
Why it Can Do More Than its Job:
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Wilder
Why it Can Do More Than its Job:
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Beguiler
Why it Can Do More Than its Job:
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Warblade
Why it Can Do More Than its Job:
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Dread Necromancer
Why it Can Do More Than its Job:
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Shugenja
Why it Can Do More Than its Job:
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Swordsage
Why it Can Do More Than its Job:
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Binder
Why it Can Do More Than its Job:
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Ranger (Wildshape variant)
Why it Can Do More Than its Job:
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Ardent
Why it Can Do More Than its Job:
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Crusader
Why it Can Do More Than its Job:
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Bard
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Incarnate
Why it Can Do More Than its Job:
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Psychic Warrior
Why it Can Do More Than its Job:
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Shadowcaster
Why it Can Do More Than its Job:
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Duskblade
Why it Can Do More Than its Job:
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Psychic Rogue
Why it Can Do More Than its Job:
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Title: Re: Base Class Reference & Tier Information (PlzBreakMyCampaign)
Post by: Larkas on February 02, 2013, 03:29:12 PM
Classes in Tier 3b
Title: Re: Base Class Reference & Tier Information (PlzBreakMyCampaign)
Post by: Larkas on February 02, 2013, 03:30:02 PM
Classes in Tier 2a

Psion
Why it's So Powerful:
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Spirit Shaman
Why it's So Powerful:
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Sha'ir
Why it's So Powerful:
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Sorcerer
Why it's So Powerful:
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Death Master
Why it's So Powerful:
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Favored Soul
Why it's So Powerful:
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Wu Jen
Why it's So Powerful:
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Binder (with Online Vestiges)
Why it's So Powerful:
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Mystic
Why it's So Powerful:
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Spirit Shaman
Why it's So Powerful:
Before you disagree with the placement, I'll admit that this is my favorite class period.
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Title: Re: Base Class Reference & Tier Information (PlzBreakMyCampaign)
Post by: Larkas on February 02, 2013, 03:30:30 PM
Classes in Tier 2b
Title: Re: Base Class Reference & Tier Information (PlzBreakMyCampaign)
Post by: Larkas on February 02, 2013, 03:31:10 PM
Classes in Tier 1a

"Erudite" variant Psion (with Spell to Power ACF)
Why it Can Do Just About Anything:
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Archivist
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Wizard
Why it Can Do Just About Anything:
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Druid
Why it Can Do Just About Anything:
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Cleric
Why it Can Do Just About Anything:
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Artificer
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Title: Re: Base Class Reference & Tier Information (PlzBreakMyCampaign)
Post by: Larkas on February 02, 2013, 03:31:36 PM
Classes in Tier 1b
Title: Re: Base Class Reference & Tier Information (PlzBreakMyCampaign)
Post by: Larkas on February 02, 2013, 03:32:22 PM
Class Dip Length
 
 What makes a dip? A dip is taking a few levels in another class in order to grab a bonus feat or other useful class feature before continuing to your main classes.
 
 What stops a dip? Taking a few levels stops being a dip when a character can't get anything out of each level is simply 'waiting' for a class feature further down the line. This is what single-classed characters do, especially in wait of the best abilities from 17-20.
 
 Aberrant Paragon: 1 if cleric, sorc, favored soul, psychic warrior, wilder, or warlock
 Aristocrat: 0, or 1 if playing ECL1 campaign where starting gold REALLY matters
 Adept:
 Archivist:
 Ardent:
 Artificer:
 Barbarian:
 Bard:
 Battledancer: 1
 Beguiler:
 Binder:
 Cleric:
 Commoner: 0 or 1 if you want infinite chickens for the lulz
 Crusader:
 Dargonfire Adept:
 Death Master:
 Divine Mind: 1
 Dragon Shaman:
 Dread Necromancer:
 Drow Paragon:
 Druid:
 Duskblade:
 Dwarf Paragon:
 Eidolon: 2
 Eidoloncer: 1
 Elf Paragon:
 Erudite:
 Expert:
 Factotoum:
 Favored Soul:
 Fighter: 2 or 4 with optimization, non-dungeoncrasher variant of course.
 Gnome Paragon:
 Half-Dragon Paragon:
 Half-Elf Paragon:
 Half-Orc Paragon:
 Halfling Paragon:
 Healer: 0 or 2 if you are cha-focused.
 Hexblade:
 Human Paragon:
 Incarnate:
 Jester:
 Knight: 0 or 2 with optimization. 3 if maneuvers are banned.
 Kobold Paragon:
 Lurk:
 Mariner:
 Marshall:
 Master:
 Mlar: 0. Falls behind sorc progression after level 4.
 Monk: 2
 Montebank:
 Mystic:
 Ninja: 0 or 1 with optimization. 2 in an ECL2 campaign (whoever plays that?)
 Noble:
 Orc Paragon:
 Paladin: 2, or 3 with optimization. Up to 5 for sub-par supermounts.
 Psion:
 Psychic Rogue:
 Psychic Warrior:
 Ranger:
 Rogue:
 Samurai: 0 or 3 if you have high charisma and like sub-par weapons
 Savant:
 Scout:
 Sha'ir:
 Shadowcaster:
 Shugenja:
 Sohei:
 Sorcerer:
 Soulborn: 0 really, but 3 with optimization
 Soulknife:
 Spelltheif:
 Spirit Shaman:
 Swashbuckler:
 Swordsage:
 Tiefling Paragon:
 Totemist:
 Truenamer: 0 or 1 with optimization
 Warblade:
 Warlock:
 Warmage:
 Warrior: 0
 Wilder:
 Wizard:
 Wu Jen:
Title: Re: Base Class Reference & Tier Information (PlzBreakMyCampaign)
Post by: PlzBreakMyCampaign on December 26, 2016, 01:14:38 PM
OP has been gone for over a year but this one has more views (SEO?). The updated, real thread is here (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=8925.0).
Title: Re: Base Class Reference & Tier Information (PlzBreakMyCampaign)
Post by: nijineko on December 30, 2016, 03:22:04 PM
You're just that good - you skew SEO results. ^^