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Re: Gabriel Lightbringer, Bodiless Deciever (complete)
« Reply #100 on: March 04, 2012, 01:08:24 AM »
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System Used: D&D 3.5 and Homebrew

Character Purpose: This character was partially inspired by a recurring dream where I am a disembodied "psychic" spirit who possesses others to live, and has telekinetic powers. I've played various versions of characters that possess others to survive. This is just the latest incarnation.

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Re: Gabriel Lightbringer, Bodiless Deciever (complete)
« Reply #101 on: March 04, 2012, 03:48:53 PM »
Alright, this stuff looks really really cool -- but can you summarize how this actually works? Tracking link chains is confusing me lol.

Are you getting sorc casting or psionics? Which type of petitioner are you, Acheron?
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Re: Gabriel Lightbringer, Bodiless Deciever (complete)
« Reply #102 on: March 04, 2012, 09:45:23 PM »
Alright, this stuff looks really really cool -- but can you summarize how this actually works? Tracking link chains is confusing me lol.

Are you getting sorc casting or psionics? Which type of petitioner are you, Acheron?
Sorry yeah, still working on it, and haven't had much time since I first hashed it out. I'm still debating about the petitioner type, actually. Was thinking Acheron for the +10 to Intimidate, and because it fits his personality and Spheres, but an energy immunity would be nice...

The base class is kind of like a combo of warlock and sorcerer. He'll gain the powers from the Force Sphere/mantle (which I'm going to customize a bit still) at will, since I'm going to take it 3 times for Expert access. He'll be able to use the powers from his other two spheres only a few times per day each. At the 10th level of the base class, he also gains casting as a 6th level sorcerer, and then progresses that for 3 more levels using his prestige classes. I'm going to go ahead and keep it arcane I guess, since converting it fully to psionics would be a pain in the ass. So the psi-powers will actually be Spell-like abilities. I'll continue to hash it out. Let me know if you have any objections or ideas.
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Re: Gabriel Lightbringer, Bodiless Deciever (complete)
« Reply #103 on: March 05, 2012, 12:26:37 AM »
Crap... I can't meet the skill prereqs of Mindbender as a Conduit. Why the hell doesn't this class have some more class skills? Now I need to find a 1 level filler for 11th level before I can qualify for SwtBE... I guess I could just stick in a level of sorcerer, but that seems kind of lame...

Or I could just eat the cross-class costs, I guess. Hmm... or take Able Learner... That would let me do it.

OK... since I'm basically making this crap up, anyway, I'm going to just say cross-class costs the same as class skills. Because fuck all that book keeping. I do that in games I run anyway. Alternatively, we'll change the class skills of Conduit to be the ones listed for the Tome Warlock instead, which I was originally going to use instead of Conduit, but thought retaining some of the sorcerer spellcasting would be easier on me converting the character and maintaining his role in the party.
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Re: Gabriel Lightbringer, Bodiless Deciever (complete)
« Reply #104 on: March 05, 2012, 07:11:04 AM »
This was one of the reasons I snatched Able learner as well. The other function of it is decent as well, helps me to fuel Knowledge devotion.
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Re: Gabriel Lightbringer, Bodiless Deciever (complete)
« Reply #105 on: March 05, 2012, 07:59:50 AM »
Or save all the hassle and build a Pathfinder character.  :D
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Re: Gabriel Lightbringer, Bodiless Deciever (complete)
« Reply #106 on: March 05, 2012, 10:01:26 AM »
I ditched Obtain Familiar for Able Learner. What a pain... It basically came down to: Is a familiar as good as Mindsight? And the answer was no...

Of course, now I also don't have Mother Cyst. So I need a different way to enslave a bunch of minions... I guess I could just use Charm/Dominate, but that's going to be more of a house of cards in the long run.
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Re: Gabriel Lightbringer, Bodiless Deciever (complete)
« Reply #107 on: March 05, 2012, 10:16:39 AM »
Don't worry about Able Learner, just change the class skills to the Tome Warlock.  That's fine.
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Re: Gabriel Lightbringer, Bodiless Deciever (complete)
« Reply #108 on: March 05, 2012, 11:58:39 AM »
Thanks.

Another question: I took Devourer of Souls and Essence Gourmand mostly for flavor reasons. Is it OK if I say that he can eat the soul of the body he currently possesses? I mean, if I was using the actual spell Magic Jar, their soul would be trapped in the receptacle, and I could certainly eat it from there. Since their body counts as the receptacle when I use the Magic Jar supernatural ability, I think this should still work.

Also, I'd like to say his ring that he uses as his token (the little item that travels with him when he switches bodies)  is made of Thinuan purely for flavor reasons. It won't affect anything mechanically, but it makes a lot of sense for how the class works, I think.
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Re: Gabriel Lightbringer, Bodiless Deciever (complete)
« Reply #109 on: March 05, 2012, 12:07:25 PM »
All of that is fine :)
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Re: Gabriel Lightbringer, Bodiless Deciever (complete)
« Reply #110 on: March 05, 2012, 10:49:49 PM »
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Re: Gabriel Lightbringer, Bodiless Deciever (complete)
« Reply #111 on: March 05, 2012, 11:28:40 PM »
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After studying the figurine for a few moments, its nature becoming evident to him, Gabriel looks at Arkesh with (nearly) unabashed appreciation. "I thank you greatly. This is an item truly suited to my abilities. Have no doubt I will use it to rain ruin down upon your enemies with impunity."
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Re: Gabriel Lightbringer, Bodiless Deciever (complete)
« Reply #112 on: March 06, 2012, 05:00:29 AM »
Yep.  :)
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Re: Gabriel Lightbringer, Bodiless Deciever (complete)
« Reply #113 on: March 13, 2012, 11:47:54 PM »
So... I think I'm pretty much done tweaking this, unless I decide on something else to spend money on. I modified his Spheres pretty extensively from what they first were, and have a mix of psi powers and spells in there. They all fit the themes of the sphere they're in though, and are gained at the normal level a straight-level wizard or psion would get them (or later). If you have a problem with any, let me know. I assumed that Mind Switch could qualify as Magic Jar for PrC prereqs. Of course, since this is all heavily modified, we can just change it, if we want...

I do have a couple of questions, though. Since the target of Mind Switch is "You and one other creature", I should be able to cast/manifest it on my familiar instead of me, right? So that means I could have my familiar take over a body. That could be handy...

Also, do I get a second set of actions with the force projection body from that idol? Or do I have to use mine to control it (plus the swift to keep it activated)?

Edit: Oh yeah, and if we ever do that dream combat... what the hell is Gabriel going to look like? And what stats will he use? His "old man" stats? That's what I'm guessing.  :D
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Re: Gabriel Lightbringer, Bodiless Deciever (complete)
« Reply #114 on: March 14, 2012, 07:54:22 AM »
All sounds fine.  We COULD use Mind Switch as a prereq... but I would suggest Magic Jar simply because it gives you other senses.  People can be protected from Divination and Telepathy, so that would block True Sight and Mindsight... but Magic Jar gives you necromantic senses.  ;)

Essentially, the force body takes its own set of actions which you control with a swift action.  So your actions are (Gabriel's actions - swift action) + force body action.
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Re: Gabriel Lightbringer, Bodiless Deciever (complete)
« Reply #115 on: March 14, 2012, 09:55:24 AM »
Yeah, I agree. Changed the Sphere to grant Magic Jar instead of Mind Switch.
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Re: Gabriel Lightbringer, Bodiless Horror (complete)
« Reply #116 on: April 05, 2012, 11:05:01 PM »
I have a few questions for you SirP, and at least one is a bit of an odd one...

1) What happens if Gabriel uses Magic Jar through the energy being created by his new toy? Does the energy being possess the target, or does Gabriel himself? :D If that's not something Gabriel would know, we could say he tried it out on his familiar during the days of waiting for the attack.

2) Does the Share Spells ability of a familiar work for Spell-like Abilities?

3) If Gabriel actually casts Magic Jar, and targets the body he is currently inhabiting, he should be able to share the spell with his familiar, right? Would that then let the familiar co-inhabit the body? Could Gabriel then move his own soul to another body via his supernatural Magic Jar, leaving the familiar in the first one?

My actions will depend on the answers to these questions. Sorry for not asking them sooner. I just came up with an idea.  :devil

If all of this works as I think it should, I'll have the familiar inhabit the troll, Gabriel will move into his sentient belt, and then have the energy being put on the belt. Then he'll have the energy being teleport to the "frontlines", where Gabriel will then immediately use his Magic Jar ability through it to possess one of the invading enemies. Then he'll consume his new host's soul, learning everything that it knows, which should give us quite a bit more insight into the invaders plans. Then he can either just teleport back, or unleash some hell first, and then return to the group.

No matter the answers to my questions, I still plan for his first actions to be trying to possess one of the invaders and eat their soul for "recon". The exact method I use might change a bit is all. :P
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Re: Gabriel Lightbringer, Bodiless Horror (complete)
« Reply #117 on: April 06, 2012, 07:25:41 AM »
Lol I LOVE the way you think ;)

1) Gabriel possesses it, he's the one casting and it uses his spell slots.  The force puppet is just that, a puppet.

2) I think so, yes, as long as the SLA casting is legal to be shared.

3) I'm...not sure.  Let me think about this one and get back to you.
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Re: Gabriel Lightbringer, Bodiless Horror (complete)
« Reply #118 on: April 06, 2012, 07:19:29 PM »
OK, so my answer for #2 is wrong.  You can't share SLA's with your familiar.

For #3, yes you can bring your familiar in with you (the rules are very ambiguous about this, so I'm just going to rule in your favor ;) ).  However, your plan has 2 holes (possibly).  If you cast another MJ, you end the first one and your familiar is dumped back to the raven body (which I think happens when you move to the belt).  Also, if you move more than 5 feet away, the familiar loses the benefit and goes back to its own body.

What are the mechanics for consuming?  I looked at your feats but they don't actually go into any detail.  Do you have a link?
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Re: Gabriel Lightbringer, Bodiless Horror (complete)
« Reply #119 on: April 06, 2012, 09:53:32 PM »
OK, so my answer for #2 is wrong.  You can't share SLA's with your familiar.

For #3, yes you can bring your familiar in with you (the rules are very ambiguous about this, so I'm just going to rule in your favor ;) ).  However, your plan has 2 holes (possibly).  If you cast another MJ, you end the first one and your familiar is dumped back to the raven body (which I think happens when you move to the belt).  Also, if you move more than 5 feet away, the familiar loses the benefit and goes back to its own body.

What are the mechanics for consuming?  I looked at your feats but they don't actually go into any detail.  Do you have a link?
Very reasonable. I can still possess things via the energy being, which is the most important part of my plan, anyway.

The rules for those feats are in those links in their entirety. Any ambiguity we'll just have to resolve for ourselves, I think. It is possible there might be a thread clarifying them on the gaming den's website, but I doubt it. Probably no one in the history of the Tome rules ever took them before, much less actually used them..  :P

I'm going to go ahead with my plan. You can determine how to resolve the Essence Gourmand feat and let me know.

We should also probably clarify Gabriel's relationship with this troll... since he no longer has a permanent dominate effect via Mother Cyst on it. I guess the most reasonable thing is to re-Dominate it every few days. He can cast that 4xday, which should be enough.
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