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fyi on Cansir.
What plane do they draw/originate from? Pandemonium?
Insidious Corrupter is a cool sounding PrC that looks like fun.
Here's what I'm looking at:
- Skill ranks mean minimum entry is what, 6th level?
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Dominate person as a 4th/5th-level spell means 11th-level (bard/sor) or 10th-level entry (wiz)?
Unless you have some means of getting the spell early (let's say by 5th level so you can take the PrC immediately at 6th), then we're easily looking at a week, or two, or a
lot more before you're ever going to even qualify for the PrC. If you
don't have a means of acquiring the spell early then you're looking at 10th/11th level.
Now let's say we're observing the power/spell transparency rule, and the erudite is able to choose either the Bard or Sor/Wiz version of the spell to learn -- right? And he can -- assuming he encounters a 10th-level bard from whom he would learn the spell, which you could certainly ask for and which could certainly be fulfilled within the context of the campaign -- take the bard's 4th-level dominate person at 7th level.
Then your earliest entry would be what, 8th level? Maybe I'm missing something.
I get that you don't want to suffer a 5/10 casting class ... but this is also a 5/10 casting class that essentially gives you
dominate monster at-will. Don't try and convince me that isn't a phenomenal ability -- and of all GMs, I'd let you get away with more than most as long as you were clever and cunning about it.
But power like that (seriously, dominate monster at-will!) has costs, which were built into the class.
You aren't just asking me to wave an arbitrary requirement for a class -- you're asking me to wave a bunch of not-insignificant restrictions on the class. So you want to play an erudite and ask me to wave the arcane/psionic restriction so you can receive unfettered access to spells as an erudite? You want to lessen the impact of losing 5 levels of manifesting/spellcasting?
Why not play a wizard up to 9th level to qualify for the PrC normally? Wizards have unfettered access to spells in a similar (albeit not the same!) manner as the erudite. Actually, copying and learning spells is easier for a wizard, isn't it?
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I think the problem is -- what this boils down to -- is that you're asking for everything and offering nothing.
I have no problem if you want to break the game conventionally but you're asking for special license to break the game. Jeez, play an archivist for Turn Undead, then pick up a warlock cohort to scribe scrolls of bard's dominate person, then PrC into Insidious Corrupter and break the game with Divine Metamagic shenanigans.
I'm
open to Insidious Corrupter, and I can almost
promise that I'll allow you to do something insane and stupid with it -- overthrow kingdoms, dominate gods, whatever -- but the more concessions we build into it, the more restrictions are lifted... the less those shenanigans are worth.
I'm not trying to go "spirit of the game" or anything here, but what are those restrictions supposed to be for in the first place?
I'll
let you play an Insidious Corrupter. I'll even help you find a way how.
I need to know what you're trying to
accomplish. Maybe what you really want is to just
dominate fools all day -- is there a reason not to just scribe a bunch of scrolls of
dominate person and do it all day? Maybe a half-elf Diplomancer would serve your purposes better?
Why
this PrC? And if this PrC, then what is the point if we hand-wave the restrictions?
What does Insidious Corrupter allow you to do that another -- arguably simpler -- path doesn't?
(Insidious Corrupter is seriously cool, btw.)
--Dither