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How long does it take to make a weapon
« on: November 26, 2011, 02:30:27 AM »
Im asking in reference to the table below:

Crafting Weapons
[table=head]Weapon|Craft DC|Craft Time|GP Cost
Army Revolver|+0|+0|+0|
Blast Grenade|+0|+0|+0|
Bomb|+2|+2|+0|+0|
Blunderbuss Musket|+4|3 days|+0|
Blunderbuss Pistol|+6|3 days|+0|
Cannon, Field (1 lb.)|+8|+8|+4|
Cannon, Field (6 lb.)|+8|+8|+4|
Cannon, Field (9 lb.)|+8|+8|+4|
Cannon, Field (12 lb.)|+8|+8|+4|
Cannon, Siege (18 lb.)|+8|+8|+4|
Cannon, Siege (32 lb.)|+8|+8|+4|
Cannon, Siege (60 lb.)|+8|+8|+4|
Colt Revolver Rifle|+10|3 days|+5|
Derringer|+10|3 days|+5|
Dreyse Needle Gun|+10|3 days|+5|
Dueling Pistol|+12|3 days|+6|
Dynamite (1 stick)|+12|+12|+6|
Ferguson Rifle|+12|1 week|+6|
Fire Rocket Launcher|+12|+12|+6|
Four-Barrel Pistol|+12|4 days|+6|
Gunpowder Barrel|+12|+12|+6|
Kentucky Rifle|+12|3 days|+6|
Land Mine|+12|+12|+6|
Land Mine, Improved|+0|+0|+0|
LeMat Revolver|+0|+0|+0|
Multiple Rocket Launcher|+12|+12|+6|
Navy Revolver|+0|+0|+0|
Pepperbox|+12|3 days|+6|
Plains Rifle|+12|4 days|+6|
Portable Cannon|+12|x weeks|+6|
Rifle Musket|+12|3 days|+6|
Smoke Bomb|+12|+12|+6|
Snaplock Musket|+12|3 days|+6|
Snaplock Rifle|+12|3 days|+6|
Super Bomb|+12|+12|+6|
12 Gauge double barrel shotgun|+12|4 days|+6|
Gunpowder (1 lb.)|+12|x days|+6|
Pistol Shot (12)|+12|x days|+6|
Blunderbuss Shot (10)|+12|x days|+6|
Musket Shot (10)|+12|x days|+6|
12 Gauge Buckshot (10)|+12|x days|+6|
18 Gauge Buckshot (10)|+12|x days|+6|
Cannon Shot (10) 1 lb.|+12|x days|+6|
Cannon Shot (10) 6 lb.|+12|x days|+6|
Cannon Shot (10) 9 lb.|+12|x days|+6|
Cannon Shot (10) 12 lb.|+12|x days|+6|
Cannon Shot (10) 16 lb.|s|x days|+6|
Cannon Shot (10) 32 lb.|x|x days|+6|
Cannon Shot (10) 60 lb.|x|x days|+6|
Chain Shot (10)|x|x days|+6|
Grapeshot (10)|x|x days|+6|
Fire Rockets (10)|x|x days|+6|
Rockets (10)|x|x days|+6|
Focused Charge|+0|+0|+0|
Percussion Cap Ammo (20) .22|x|x|x|
Percussion Cap Ammo (20) .36|x|x|x|
Percussion Cap Ammo (20) .41|x|x|x|
Percussion Cap Ammo (20) .42|x|x|x|
Percussion Cap Ammo (20) .44|x|x|x|
Percussion Cap Ammo (20) .58|x|x|x|
Percussion Cap Ammo (20) .60|x|x|x|


As you can see its mostly stuff from d20 past with a few chinese additions (ignore the numbers im still filling in blanks).  I'm doing a PrC that can make this stuff so I need a good guess about how long it will take.
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Re: How long does it take to make a weapon
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2011, 08:27:39 AM »
Hmm, from scratch? Or parts? If you have parts as the raw materials it'd take significantly less time, especially for the chemical ones.
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Re: How long does it take to make a weapon
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2011, 07:46:04 PM »
umm...either?  I guess I could list both

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Re: How long does it take to make a weapon
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2011, 08:25:09 PM »
i do not understand the question.

i thought it was a simple DC x 10 x Price / DC check = time in weeks
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Re: How long does it take to make a weapon
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2011, 02:02:35 AM »
im curious as to how long it takes in real life

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Re: How long does it take to make a weapon
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2011, 02:14:36 AM »
oh,

a stick of dynamite should only take an hour or two unless it involves some drying time or something. its mostly just mix and wrap (but wth to i know...)

the rest depends on the tools available;

if your doing it all from scratch a basic colt revolver could take weeks for one person to make all the tools and smelt the iron.

if you have casting material already, then it should take a couple days maybe.. depending on how picky you are about looks.

i recall watching 60minutes waybackwhen, during the russian phase, and the afgans were handmaking perfect copies of guns. just sort of on the sidewalk almost, open door shops i guess. you could hand em a gun and they would hand you back two and you wont know which was the original.. but i have no idea what their time frame was.
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Re: How long does it take to make a weapon
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2011, 02:19:27 PM »
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They're probably working from assembled parts. Many of the parts are interchangeable in modern times, but less so before standardized measures and more precise machining. If you have barrels of the already cast generic parts, you could cut it down even further.
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Re: How long does it take to make a weapon
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2011, 04:15:04 PM »
the PrC sort of presumes that having levels in it is required for gunmaking, so I'm not sure there would be wide scale mass production.

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Re: How long does it take to make a weapon
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2011, 04:18:25 PM »
However, they would have a collection of the basic parts and tools I presume? If all of them are cast by yourself, you could basically accumulate the generic parts(since they're all from the same mold, they're interchangable), and then take much less time to craft a particular item, needing to cast only the weapon specific parts, and then the rest is assembly.
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Re: How long does it take to make a weapon
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2011, 08:34:37 PM »
so I should move ahead with the time to assemble from scratch or parts columns

so how different is it to make a musket from parts than it is from scratch?

Im assuming ammo is quick since its metal balls?

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Re: How long does it take to make a weapon
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2011, 10:00:18 PM »
so I should move ahead with the time to assemble from scratch or parts columns

so how different is it to make a musket from parts than it is from scratch?

Im assuming ammo is quick since its metal balls?

The problem is that there are a huge number of variables to deal with to answer the question.  For example, it's not too hard to figure out how long the Ferguson Rifle took to handcraft, but others on the list, like the LeMat Revolver, were only produced by large scale operations. 

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Re: How long does it take to make a weapon
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2011, 10:13:49 PM »
muskets are so simple, i think you could probably throw one together in a hurry from parts.

as for ejo ammo, its just pouring molten lead in a split mold for small caliber stuff.

cannon ejo's are possibly trickier since they had some tricks to em, like exploding and shrapnel...
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Re: How long does it take to make a weapon
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2011, 11:17:31 PM »
Not so bad I think, if its from parts and you're assuming an expert gunsmith(which can be assumed here), you start from the barrel(a tube of the suitable metal), the firing mechanism(standard gears and spring assembly, common to most guns), chop it down to size, etc.

I'd say from parts or proximate parts(that is, stuff you can cut, file or otherwise slightly reshape to qualify), it can take hours. The long slow process is more when you have to produce things like barrel grade metal in the 'field'.
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Re: How long does it take to make a weapon
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2011, 11:27:24 PM »
really, i think you could use the basic formula.

price or price - price of parts on hand x 10 x DC / DC check = weeks

its if a 100$ item and you have 99$ in parts, then its 1 x 10 x DC / check = tada

assuming DC 15 for moderate difficultly and a skilled but lazy gunsmith taking 20 then

1 x 10 x 15 = 150 / 20 = 7.5 weeks.

ok, after writing it out, that sucks.

so maybe take out the SP (x10) and just do 1$ x DC 15 / check 20 = 5.25 days

ok, thats rubbish also. for working w/ parts on hand at least.

my formal opinion is make it up. the math sucks.


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Re: How long does it take to make a weapon
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2011, 12:39:27 AM »
If you're going by value theres the problem there yeah.
Maybe if you went by the ratio of start value to end value?
(End Value / Start Value) *X * Y / Z  = Work Time
Where X is the difficulty, Y is the quantity(in units) Z is the skill modifier.

These times are proximate from waht I know:
Ore-> Metal alloy = Days, but in large bulk. Also mostly done by other people unless you got some spankin alloy.
Metal -> Cast parts = Hours, but also doable in bulk. Once you have the molds ready anyway.
Parts -> Product = Hours, including forging but individual.
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Re: How long does it take to make a weapon
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2011, 01:27:39 AM »
i can tell you first hand that iron ore to steel slab is pretty quick, like a few hours (<6).

if you have the facilities setup at least...

and that is for tons.

liquid ore to steel is about 15 - 45 minutes depending on the alloy your shooting for, so for most basic purposes call it 15 - 20 and thats just cooking like stew... heat it up, drop in some junk (limestone - silicone) to taste and dump it in a mold.

as long as you counter practicality w/ fantasy its pretty easy.

in fact, it is rather easy or it wouldnt work at all. take one of those solar collector dishes and point it at a ceramic lined container and melt all the ore you want, as long as you have sunlight at least. stir w/ a long long stick and try not to get any splashed on you (thats never pretty). good ventilation is also important.

barring a solar collector, refined coke works well. coke was available in the relevant time frame (i think), it burns hotter than coal and is whats is/was used for steel production.





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Re: How long does it take to make a weapon
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2011, 03:32:47 AM »
ok i pulled random times from the air for assembly from parts times and edited in.  What ydo you think?


Crafting Weapons
[table=head]Weapon|Craft DC|Craft Time|GP Cost
Army Revolver|+0|4 hours|+0|
Blast Grenade|+0|1 hour|+0|
Bomb|+2|+2|6 hours|+0|
Blunderbuss Musket|+4|3 hours|+0|
Blunderbuss Pistol|+6|3 hours|+0|
Cannon, Field (1 lb.)|+8|1 week|+4|
Cannon, Field (6 lb.)|+8|1 week|+4|
Cannon, Field (9 lb.)|+8|1 week|+4|
Cannon, Field (12 lb.)|+8|1 week|+4|
Cannon, Siege (18 lb.)|+8|1 week|+4|
Cannon, Siege (32 lb.)|+8|1 week|+4|
Cannon, Siege (60 lb.)|+8|1 week|+4|
Colt Revolver Rifle|+10|4 hours|+5|
Derringer|+10|4 hours|+5|
Dreyse Needle Gun|+10|5 hours|+5|
Dueling Pistol|+12|3 hours|+6|
Dynamite (1 stick)|+12|1 hour|+6|
Ferguson Rifle|+12|5 hours|+6|
Fire Rocket Launcher|+12|3 days|+6|
Four-Barrel Pistol|+12|4 hours|+6|
Gunpowder Barrel|+12|1 hour|+6|
Kentucky Rifle|+12|4 hours|+6|
Land Mine|+12|6 hours|+6|
Land Mine, Improved|+0|1 day|+0|
LeMat Revolver|+0|5 hours|+0|
Multiple Rocket Launcher|+12|1 week|+6|
Navy Revolver|+0|4 hours|+0|
Pepperbox|+12|4 hours|+6|
Plains Rifle|+12|4 hours|+6|
Portable Cannon|+12|2 weeks|+6|
Rifle Musket|+12|3 hours|+6|
Smoke Bomb|+12|1 hour|+6|
Snaplock Musket|+12|3 hours|+6|
Snaplock Rifle|+12|3 hours|+6|
Super Bomb|+12|1 month|+6|
12 Gauge double barrel shotgun|+12|4 hours|+6|
Gunpowder (1 lb.)|+12|1 hour|+6|
Pistol Shot (12)|+12|1 hour|+6|
Blunderbuss Shot (10)|+12|1 hour|+6|
Musket Shot (10)|+12|1 hour|+6|
12 Gauge Buckshot (10)|+12|2 hours|+6|
18 Gauge Buckshot (10)|+12|2 hours|+6|
Cannon Shot (10) 1 lb.|+12|1 day|+6|
Cannon Shot (10) 6 lb.|+12|1 day|+6|
Cannon Shot (10) 9 lb.|+12|1 day|+6|
Cannon Shot (10) 12 lb.|+12|1 day|+6|
Cannon Shot (10) 16 lb.|s|1 day|+6|
Cannon Shot (10) 32 lb.|x|1 day|+6|
Cannon Shot (10) 60 lb.|x|1 day|+6|
Chain Shot (10)|x|+46 hours|+6|
Grapeshot (10)|x|+ 1 day|+6|
Fire Rockets (10)|x|10 hours|+6|
Rockets (10)|x|15 hours|+6|
Focused Charge|+0|+1 day|+0|
Percussion Cap Ammo (20) .22|x|2 hours|x|
Percussion Cap Ammo (20) .36|x|2 hours|x|
Percussion Cap Ammo (20) .41|x|2 hours|x|
Percussion Cap Ammo (20) .42|x|2 hours|x|
Percussion Cap Ammo (20) .44|x|2 hours|x|
Percussion Cap Ammo (20) .58|x|2 hours|x|
Percussion Cap Ammo (20) .60|x|2 hours|x|

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Re: How long does it take to make a weapon
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2011, 03:35:25 AM »
Ah, I was thinking hand-smithing, which would take somewhat more time to reduce ore to usable iron. That makes sense though, given appropriate facilities and skill, the production for any given weapon is in bulk for all but the final assembly part.
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Re: How long does it take to make a weapon
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2011, 03:38:12 AM »
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12030179&postcount=198

Since tables dont work here im linking to the post on gitp

I have the tables done except for gp costs

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Re: How long does it take to make a weapon
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2011, 04:31:20 AM »
Tables do, actually, its just different code.

No.Weapon
1Pistol
2Shotgun
Quote my post and see.
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