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Offline Masakan

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Or is it not even worth it unless craven is on the table and you are multiclassing?
« Last Edit: February 07, 2017, 12:37:11 PM by Masakan »

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Re: Are there methods to boost your sneak attack damage aside from craven?
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2017, 12:31:41 PM »
Q: Are there methods to boost your sneak attack damage aside from craven?
A: Resource - Class Boosters, click on Rogue.

Q: or is it not even worth it unless craven is on the table?
A: Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Q: Is it not even worth it unless craven is on the table?
A: See list, there are a lot of ways to improve it including Hunter's Eye which can be Persisted.

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Re: Are there methods to boost your sneak attack damage aside from craven?
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2017, 12:36:56 PM »
Q: Are there methods to boost your sneak attack damage aside from craven?
A: Resource - Class Boosters, click on Rogue.

Q: or is it not even worth it unless craven is on the table?
A: Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Q: Is it not even worth it unless craven is on the table?
A: See list, there are a lot of ways to improve it including Hunter's Eye which can be Persisted.

I'm sorry I should have clarified, is sneak attack worth it if craven isn't on the table.. and you're multi classing.

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Re: Are there methods to boost your sneak attack damage aside from craven?
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2017, 01:12:05 PM »
Sneak Attack is great even with a dip if you've got extra attacks - it's kind of meh otherwise.

In general, though, Dragonfire Strike + Bracers of Murder is pretty solid, even with a dip. Dragonfire Strike increases damage by 1d6 and turns it into energy damage, while Bracers of Murder give you some nice attack bonuses (rerolling 1s isn't worth a feat, but it's nice to have anyway).

It costs you two feats (or you need to play a Dragonblooded race), but getting +2d6 Fire damage on any attack you make vs. flat-footed people is pretty decent.

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Basically, if you're not working to pump up your sneak attack damage, you need to look at it less as "my main combat tactic" and more "some nice bonus damage I get sometimes".
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Re: Are there methods to boost your sneak attack damage aside from craven?
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2017, 01:21:33 PM »
Sneak Attack is great even with a dip if you've got extra attacks - it's kind of meh otherwise.

In general, though, Dragonfire Strike + Bracers of Murder is pretty solid, even with a dip. Dragonfire Strike increases damage by 1d6 and turns it into energy damage, while Bracers of Murder give you some nice attack bonuses (rerolling 1s isn't worth a feat, but it's nice to have anyway).

It costs you two feats (or you need to play a Dragonblooded race), but getting +2d6 Fire damage on any attack you make vs. flat-footed people is pretty decent.

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Basically, if you're not working to pump up your sneak attack damage, you need to look at it less as "my main combat tactic" and more "some nice bonus damage I get sometimes".

Good to keep around when you need to stealth takedown someone but little point in relying on it, ok im feeling ya.

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Re: Are there methods to boost your sneak attack damage aside from craven?
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2017, 03:56:34 PM »
getting +2d6 Fire damage on any attack you make vs. flat-footed people is pretty decent.
But you can get +2d6 sneak attack dice from a cheap magic item (Shadowhand Gloves) and a feat (Martial Stance: Assassin's Stance). You do have to be level 10+ (assuming no levels in martial adept classes), but it's still better than two feats for fire damage, IMO.

I think looking at it as a decent situational boost, but not something to build your entire character around, is a reasonable approach, though...

Another thing to make even a very small number of SA dice useful is taking feats that trigger with SAs. Staggering Strike is the one I always think of, but there are several more.
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Re: Are there methods to boost your sneak attack damage aside from craven?
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2017, 06:27:44 PM »
getting +2d6 Fire damage on any attack you make vs. flat-footed people is pretty decent.
But you can get +2d6 sneak attack dice from a cheap magic item (Shadowhand Gloves) and a feat (Martial Stance: Assassin's Stance). You do have to be level 10+ (assuming no levels in martial adept classes), but it's still better than two feats for fire damage, IMO.

To be fair, it's +1d6 damage and fire damage, and that extra feat is only necessary if you aren't a dragonblooded race.
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Re: Are there methods to boost your sneak attack damage aside from craven?
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2017, 11:09:34 PM »
To be fair, it's +1d6 damage and fire damage, and that extra feat is only necessary if you aren't a dragonblooded race.
And if you happen to be Dragonblooded or take a Feat to change it then it's not Fire but probably Sonic or Acid.

The main advantage here is beating DR, like if you are running a Small-Sized TWFer you probably looked into Finesse due to Dexterity Requirements. Dealing something like 3.5 damage (12str & shortsword) against DR 10 means you're losing two SA dice per hit just to finish surpassing DR. In this case Dragonfire Strike flips the extra damage and adds a die for a net gain of +3d6 or 10.5 damage per hit. Normally DR isn't common enough to warrant specialized counter measures over the more generic "just deal more damage" solution that works in either case so the Feat really isn't at the top of anyone's suggest list, but it's something that can be considered useful.

But again phaedrusxy even if it's just Fire it is still simply one Feat for +1d6.
And your suggestion was one Feat and one three thousand gold Item for +2d6.
Which really doesn't inherently paint the picture that one is superior to the other, merely following expectations of investment.
« Last Edit: February 07, 2017, 11:11:37 PM by SorO_Lost »

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Re: Are there methods to boost your sneak attack damage aside from craven?
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2017, 11:08:14 AM »
And, of course, they stack.

You can use Martial Stance: Assassin's Stance and Dragonfire Strike.

It's not even costing you feats or item slots if you take a dip into Swordsage at the appropriate level(s).