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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2017, 01:32:47 AM »
Or simply the official pathfinder devs don't care about psionics, which is a sentiment I can symphatize with. Starfinder for example doesn't have any either.

I'm pretty sure of my interpretation, especially since there is a large group of people who will pay good money for psionics books and Paizo is a business if nothing else.. 
I would even disagree with the "large" bit. Just look at how much psionic homebrew there is when compared to, say, Tome of Battle, that got exactly one book in all of 3rd edition and zero support in splats. There are psionic psionic fans I won't deny it, but they're a pretty small segment all in all. That Paizo does not bother doing it themselves is just bigger proof of how little of a crowd there actually is.

Basically there's a reason that Paizo could go out there and make an RPG that actually outsold official D&D itself while dreamscarred press remains some 3rd party company latching into the next big thing.

Also Starfinder only has one kind of magic so I assume psionics just gets rolled into that and I expect the system to never have psionics (also psionics are never part of the core books in any system I've read besides weird stuff with randomly rolled powers).

Technically psionics are in the 3.5 srd. Paizo could've just copy-pasta'd that and psionic fans would've bought it. But again, simply too few of them to be worth it Paizo's time even for a simple carbon copy, while D&D 4e attempted to do psionics only to go down burning and crashing.

 And Starfinder is sci-fi so they could've called the mystic powers psionics. But Paizo just doesn't care.
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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2017, 03:07:01 AM »
Kineticist and Occultists use the craziest systems out there for official material, not to mention the Medium. Maybe that was enough official material for a majority of the crazies to satisfy their psionic urges.
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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2017, 11:41:47 AM »
You obviously have your opinion and I have mine.  We're never going to agree so I'll drop it before I start getting annoyed.

I do have to say that Tome of Battle getting more homebrew is probably at least partially because it got only one book and no further support.  Also homebrewers aren't a good way of determining what is popular in my opinion because there are a lot of people who either don't brew or are only comfortable brewing specific things (I'm in the latter category).  Out of all of the real life gamers I know I'm the only one who pays any attention whatsoever to homebrew.

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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2017, 05:39:41 PM »
Also homebrewers aren't a good way of determining what is popular in my opinion
That extends up to a professional level at times, it's just publishers take calculated risks while forum posters do not.

Kineticist and Occultists use the craziest systems out there for official material, not to mention the Medium. Maybe that was enough official material for a majority of the crazies to satisfy their psionic urges.
Yep, and I could have sworn I heard someone say they were doing magic-style not to insult "psionics", but to reduce the learning curve and allow "psionics" to easily be picked up on any table.

In the meta, by being SLA/SU based rather than SLA/SU-copies they also prevent a X-system vs Y-system debate. Instead you have to read into the Classes and argue one Class is weak/strong compared to another which also happens a given standard that helps integration.
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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2017, 07:13:45 PM »
For whatever it's worth Paizo has explicitly said multiple times that "Psychic Magic" is not and has nothing to do with Psionics.

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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2017, 03:16:41 PM »
For whatever it's worth Paizo has explicitly said multiple times that "Psychic Magic" is not and has nothing to do with Psionics.
Oh, it was probably some random dude on a forum then.

So what is Paizo's deal with psionics (in a quick nutshell)?
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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2017, 03:50:31 PM »
For whatever it's worth Paizo has explicitly said multiple times that "Psychic Magic" is not and has nothing to do with Psionics.
Oh, it was probably some random dude on a forum then.

So what is Paizo's deal with psionics (in a quick nutshell)?

Officially?  I don't know.  Dreamscarred Press lists themselves as "the publisher of the psionics rules for the Pathfinder RPG", but whether there's some sort of backroom deal between DSP and Paizo about that or if DSP just picked up the slack and Paizo decided they didn't care enough to try to take psionics back is very unclear.

My personal opinion is that Paizo is happy/uncaring/whatever enough with DSP that they have no interest in fighting over that space and will never publish a psionics book because they know DSP will do it for them.

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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2017, 10:06:16 PM »
it is also telling that the official PRD (found here, actually: http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ and NOT over at the d20psrd site) has no dreamscarred material nor psionic material whatsoever.
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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2017, 12:24:38 AM »
I wouldn't expect otherwise since that only has books published by Paizo.

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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2017, 01:08:00 PM »
I wouldn't expect otherwise since that only has books published by Paizo.

Well I've had a lot of people cite the d20psrd as "official" claiming psionics is official in pathfinder to me, so I find that I have to point this out a lot that the d20psrd is not, in fact, the official prd, even if it is a decent duplicate.
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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2017, 01:20:44 PM »
I wouldn't expect otherwise since that only has books published by Paizo.

Well I've had a lot of people cite the d20psrd as "official" claiming psionics is official in pathfinder to me, so I find that I have to point this out a lot that the d20psrd is not, in fact, the official prd, even if it is a decent duplicate.

Fair enough.

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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2018, 08:12:20 PM »
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Replacement Power: The following granted power replaces the cold resistance power of the Water domain.
Sift (Su)

At 6th level, once per day you can reach into water as a standard action and pull out an object with a maximum gp value of up to 50 gp × your cleric level.

This object always has the broken condition upon being withdrawn from the water. The water you reach into must be at least deep enough to fully immerse yourself in it. At 12th level, objects you retrieve are not broken. At 20th level, you can retrieve objects worth up to 5,000 gp. If retrieving an object that would not normally float, assume it rests on top of or is entwined with debris that does float. Objects retrieved in this manner disappear after 24 hours, if not already used up or otherwise destroyed before then.

Notice there is no qualifier on this other than GP value.  Exotic materials?  Good to go.  Usable as spell components?  Yup.  Nonmagical?  Doesn't have to be!  Bigger than you are?  Quite possible!

Just as an added bonus, the replacement spells are Make Whole, Major Creation, and Animate Objects.  Not a bad suite!
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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2018, 09:02:47 PM »
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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2018, 11:23:30 PM »
Yet another way to get unlimited scrolls for the party wizard to scribe, or even for the cleric to use as needed.

His prayer altar is a portable hole full of holy water. He prays by diving to the bottom and retrieving a "blessing" in the form of his desired item.
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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2018, 11:55:48 PM »
Unlimited Animate Dead fodder!
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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2018, 05:36:02 AM »
Unlimited Animate Dead fodder!
At the very least, the onyx to cast it.
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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2018, 03:26:51 PM »
thats the part i meant... unless you can find a price on bodies

edit: found an option....

Ultimate Wilderness pg 163

Table 4–9: Trophy Value by CR
CR Value
1 50 gp
2 100 gp
3 150 gp
4 200 gp
5 300 gp
6 400 gp
7 500 gp
8 650 gp
9 850 gp
10 1,000 gp
11 1,400 gp
12 1,800 gp
13 2,300 gp
14 3,000 gp
15 3,900 gp
16 5,000 gp
17 6,400 gp
18 8,000 gp
19 10,500 gp
20 13,000 gp

then cast sculpt corpse to create you perfect corpse. it doesn't appear to have the stipulation of a certain amount of corpse that restore corpse has
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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2018, 08:01:53 PM »
While creatures are not objects so this is definitely not RAW, you might be able to argue with your DM to pull up a corpse of a mount or slave.

Dead creatures count as broken right  :P
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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2018, 08:29:20 PM »
Even not thinking big, come level 15, you can draw out a wand of any 1st level spell.  When one of the least abusable uses of the ability is 50 Cure Light Wounds/day for free, it's a pretty good ability.

Heck, at level 8, you can get a tree feather token.  At level 6 (when you get the ability) you can get the anchor token already, as well as the bird and fan.  You can also get a potion of a 2nd level spell at level 6.
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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2018, 08:41:40 PM »
Corpses don't normally have a value, that's why the sculpted trophy thing was an attempt to skirt that barrier
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