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Conscience Android
« on: December 19, 2017, 04:06:47 AM »
Conscience Android

”Let’s fight together and protect peace in the universe, Nagisa!”
-Iczer 1, Conscience Android
”S-Sorry, but I’m in a hurry… See yah! ”
-Nagisa, Conscience Companion

Androids are not created with a soul, and most do not care for such detail, leading cold detached existences from the living.
However some androids develop a particularly close relationship with somebody else with a strong soul, and from such connection they develop their own sensation of self, and eventually a soul of their own.

Becoming a Conscience Android
Most android pilots may go down this path.

ENTRY REQUIREMENTS
-Soulless Racial Feature.
-Pilot level 5+.
-Born To Fight plus either Friendship, Devotion, Rivalry or Love towards another  one non-Soulless being.
-Cannot be somebody else's minion/cohort/follower/similar.

Class Skills
The Conscience Android's class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are Appraise, Bluff,  Balance, Craft (cheerleader outfit any), Diplomacy, Intimidate, Jump, Listen, Knowledge(yuri any), Profession, Sense Motive, Spot
Skills Points at Each  Level:  4+ Int mod

Hit Dice: d10

Level
Base
Attack Bonus
Fort
Save
Ref
Save
Will
Save

Special
1st+1+2+0+2Empty Machine, Super Robo, Spirited
2nd+2+3+0+3Conscience Companion
3rd+3+4+1+3Two With the Machine
4th+4+4+1+4Conscience Spirit
5th+5+4+1+4Synchro Conscience
6th+6+5+2+5Protective Conscience
7th+7+5+2+5Conscience Spirit
8th+8+6+2+6Traveling Conscience
9th+9+6+3+6Conscience Spirit
10th+10+7+3+7Synthetic Soul

Weapon and Armor Proficiencies: A Conscience Android doesn't gain any new Proficiencies.

Class Features

Empty Machine: The Conscience Android gains a +10 bonus to any checks to resist being charmed/dominated/commanded/similar and can use her mecha’s own base HP, DR, Dodge, natural armor, movement speed(s), attack bonus (if any), and save bonus (if any) if better than her own and also counts as having the same amount of energy instead of her own (including the basic 5 energy recovery per turn) as well as any special mecha properties such as transformation and barriers/coats/resistances/Regen/Reactor (do not count arsenal or benefits from others). She can also choose one in-built or arsenal weapon available to her mecha and replicate a normal-scale version on herself as a free action. This demands spending 8 hours of meditation outside her mecha and another 8 if she wishes to reverse the proccess.

Super Robo: Conscience Android levels count as Super Pilot levels for the purpose of advancing her mecha and arsenal access.

Spirited: Each Conscience Android level increases Spirit Points by 7.

Conscience Companion: At 2nd level with 8 hours of stalking bonding the Conscience Android can pick a non-soulless creature they have Love/Friendship/Devotion/Rivalry to, thereafter known as the Conscience Companion. The Conscience Android always gains the raw numeric benefits of Friendship, Devotion, Rivalry or Love as long as the Conscience Companion has a soul, is alive/functioning/active and whitin 100 mu, and double them if actually adjacent (but not if riding the same mecha, too close for comfort yet!). The Conscience Android may only have one Conscience Companion at a time, but they may be changed with another 8 of bonding.

Two with the Machine: At 3rd level the Conscience Android can force have one person that she has Friendship, Devotion, Rivalry or Love to ride along her mecha. They can only use spirits and add their Cha mod to the mecha’s saves, attack and damage rolls while both are inside the mecha. The Conscience Android still benefits from the raw numeric bonus of Love/Friendship/Devotion/Rivalry while they’re both piloting the same mecha. As a swift action the Conscience Android may switch controls to them, with the Conscience Companion also able benefit from the relationship feat between both and can give back the controls as another swift action.

Conscience Spirit: At 4th, 7th and 9th level the Conscience Android learns a new Spirit. It only costs 60% spirit to use if used while adjacent or piloting the same mecha as her Conscience companion and targeting either of them. Spirits that can only affect you or your mecha do not benefit from this.

Synchro Conscience: At 5th level the Conscience Android can perform a Synchro Attack with her Conscience Companion while using Two with the Machine (both count as able to control the mecha with no need of a swift action to change during the Synchro attack), plus benefit from any of her current martial stances or one other on-going self-buffs, changeable as a swift action.

Protective Conscience: At 6th level with 1 minute of work the Conscience Android can allow somebody else adjacent to benefit from Empty Machine, using the mecha's own base stats. Only one other person can benefit from this at a time, but they can pass on the bonus to somebody else with another minute of work. The Conscience Android can void this bonus as an immediate action.

Traveling Conscience: At 8th level the Conscience Android gains telepathy 100 mu, or infinite range if towards a non-Soulless beings she has Friendship, Devotion, Rivalry or Love to. As an immediate action you can instantly teleport yourself adjacent to anybody you have Friendship, Devotion, Rivalry or Love to. In addition as a fullround action you can switch the targets of up to three picks of Friendship/Devotion/Rivalry/Love you have. Finally you gain an extra bonus from Relationship feats with your Conscience Companion while fighting adjacent or in the same mecha, stacking for multiple picks:
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Synthetic Soul: At 10th level the Conscience Android gains a Soul, losing the Soulless feature (although she still qualifies for this prc) and can add her Cha bonus to any 1d20 roll 1/round. That roll will not automatically fail on a natural 1. If this is used on an attack roll, increase your crit threat by an amount equal to your Cha bonus for that attack. Once per day as a free action she may increase her Cha by 10 for 1 hour. During this duration she may use a cha-based pilot maneuver with level equal to her PL/2. Instead of maneuvers, she may choose to be able to use  Limited Wish (or Wish if she has PL 18+) as a cha-based SLA with CL=PL. Either way after use her Cha returns to normal and she must still pay the exp cost if replicating any lasting effect. Once the decision between using a maneuver or Limited Wish/Wish is done, it can't be changed.
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Re: Conscience Android
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2017, 09:51:29 AM »
Just to note that 15 mu per Cha bonus or an increase to melee reach of 5 mu per Cha bonus can get big rather quickly. Especially given it is per relationship feat pick.

With 3 feat picks and a Cha score of 20 you get 225 extra speed for love or 75 extra melee reach for friendship.
Cha score of 30 gives double that. With a reach like that, low level maneuvers like Block can block of whole lot.

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Re: Conscience Android
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2017, 09:47:44 PM »
Reduced movement speed boost to 5 mu times Cha bonus and the increased reach/range now only applies during your turn.

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Re: Conscience Android
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2018, 03:21:00 PM »
Sound.
Currently fiddling with the idea of using this PrC. Here's some more Qs.

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Conscience Companion: At 2nd level the Conscience Android always gains the raw numeric benefits of Friendship, Devotion, Rivarly or Love as long as the respective target has a soul, is alive and within 100 mu, and double them if actually adjacent.
Is this meant to indicate that anyone the Conscience Android (C-A) has a relationship feat with is a Conscience Companion (C-C)? (Provided the target has a soul). Mostly because the ability does not indicate how the C-A declares someone as his C-C and the intent seems to be that there would be only one at a time.
Also, when it says that the C-C must be alive, is alive meant as a mechanical term for "still at positive hit points" or is it meant to say that the target must be a living creature, which is the usual term used to refer to those.

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Two with the Machine: At 3rd level the Conscience Android can force have one person that she has Friendship, Devotion, Rivarly or Love to ride along her mecha. They can only use spirits and add their Cha mod to the mecha’s saves, attack and damage rolls. The Consicence Android still benefits from the raw numeric bonus of Love/Friendship/Devotion/Rivarly while they’re both piloting the same mecha. As a swift action the Conscience Android may switch controls to them, and the new pilot can give back the controls as another swift action.
To be clear, the ability states that they are both piloting the mecha but puts a distinction there as to who is in control. This seems to mean that even while the C-C is has the controls, the C-A is still piloting, so he could keep One with the Machine active despite not being in control.
This ability seems to grant the benefits of the relationship feats only to the C-A while they are piloting the same mecha, no matter who is in control; intended? Synchro Conscience later seems to bypass the issue for the purpose of doing synchro attacks even though the C-C doesn't benefit from his relationship feats.
Also, this seems to still allow the C-C to stop piloting and only ride along the mecha with a move action, then later start piloting again with another move action. When this happens the C-A must get the controls back with a move action as well, correct? And the C-C seems to only need to ride the mecha to grant his Cha mode to stuff and use spirits.

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Synchro Conscience: At 5th level the Conscience Android can perform a Synchro Attack with her Conscience Companion while using Two with the Machine, plus benefit from any of her stances or other on-going self-buffs.
I take it to mean that the synchro attack is triggered when the C-A and the C-O both took the controls during the same turn and damage the same target... but how does the synchro attack actually happen?
If, say, the C-A attacks that target on the next turn, the C-C cannot do his part of the synchro without the controls, which require a swift action. Or is it intended that during synchros alone they both have the controls?
Also, when it says the C-A benefits from any of the C-C's stances or other ongoing self-buffs, is this meant to refer to the C-C's currently active stance or any one stance she has access to or any one other ongoing self-buff the C-C is currently benefiting from (one or the other)?
How does the C-A change which ongoing effect he is benefiting from?

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Protective Conscience: At 6th level with 1 minute of work the Conscience Android can allow somebody else adjacent to benefit from Empty Machine. Only one other person can benefit from this at a time, but they can pass on the bonus to somebody else with another minute of work. The Conscience Android can void this bonus as an immediate action.
Empty Machine grants the hit points of the mecha. That stat uses the mecha's original hit points even when it is currently under the effect of One with the Machine, correct?

Synthetic Soul: Can one choose NOT to get the limited wish/wish SLAs? Because getting an SLA means you no longer have access to the Entropy Elemental feat. Also, is this a Supernatural ability?
Any of those class abilities supernatural? I don't remember if spirits are supernatural abilities either and whether they work in an AMF or not.

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Re: Conscience Android
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2018, 06:37:16 PM »
Synthetic Soul: Can one choose NOT to get the limited wish/wish SLAs? Because getting an SLA means you no longer have access to the Entropy Elemental feat. Also, is this a Supernatural ability?
Osl almost never marks his abilities and the last ruling I had was roll it, so hope for Extraordinary and it may solve your other question.

But on the point through Spirits should be Supernatural based but that'd ruin his campaign wrecking Entropy Feat and that's against his android>magic fetish anyway, so why not pretend the SLA works with it?
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Re: Conscience Android
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2018, 11:44:56 PM »
Sound.
Currently fiddling with the idea of using this PrC. Here's some more Qs.

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Conscience Companion: At 2nd level the Conscience Android always gains the raw numeric benefits of Friendship, Devotion, Rivarly or Love as long as the respective target has a soul, is alive and within 100 mu, and double them if actually adjacent.
Is this meant to indicate that anyone the Conscience Android (C-A) has a relationship feat with is a Conscience Companion (C-C)? (Provided the target has a soul). Mostly because the ability does not indicate how the C-A declares someone as his C-C and the intent seems to be that there would be only one at a time.
Also, when it says that the C-C must be alive, is alive meant as a mechanical term for "still at positive hit points" or is it meant to say that the target must be a living creature, which is the usual term used to refer to those.
Yeah, added a 8 hour bonding ritual, and functioning/active to living, since it's still meant to work if the Conscience Companion is bleeding to death or something.

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Two with the Machine: At 3rd level the Conscience Android can force have one person that she has Friendship, Devotion, Rivarly or Love to ride along her mecha. They can only use spirits and add their Cha mod to the mecha’s saves, attack and damage rolls. The Consicence Android still benefits from the raw numeric bonus of Love/Friendship/Devotion/Rivarly while they’re both piloting the same mecha. As a swift action the Conscience Android may switch controls to them, and the new pilot can give back the controls as another swift action.
To be clear, the ability states that they are both piloting the mecha but puts a distinction there as to who is in control. This seems to mean that even while the C-C is has the controls, the C-A is still piloting, so he could keep One with the Machine active despite not being in control.
Yes.

This ability seems to grant the benefits of the relationship feats only to the C-A while they are piloting the same mecha, no matter who is in control; intended? Synchro Conscience later seems to bypass the issue for the purpose of doing synchro attacks even though the C-C doesn't benefit from his relationship feats.
Added clause that the Conscience Companion will also benefit from the relationship feats between both.

Also, this seems to still allow the C-C to stop piloting and only ride along the mecha with a move action, then later start piloting again with another move action. When this happens the C-A must get the controls back with a move action as well, correct? And the C-C seems to only need to ride the mecha to grant his Cha mode to stuff and use spirits.
Swapping controls still a swift action. Added clause that the Cha bonus is only applied while both ride the mecha.

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Synchro Conscience: At 5th level the Conscience Android can perform a Synchro Attack with her Conscience Companion while using Two with the Machine, plus benefit from any of her stances or other on-going self-buffs.
I take it to mean that the synchro attack is triggered when the C-A and the C-O both took the controls during the same turn and damage the same target... but how does the synchro attack actually happen?
If, say, the C-A attacks that target on the next turn, the C-C cannot do his part of the synchro without the controls, which require a swift action. Or is it intended that during synchros alone they both have the controls?
Also, when it says the C-A benefits from any of the C-C's stances or other ongoing self-buffs, is this meant to refer to the C-C's currently active stance or any one stance she has access to or any one other ongoing self-buff the C-C is currently benefiting from (one or the other)?

How does the C-A change which ongoing effect he is benefiting from?
Clarified that during the Syncho attack both count as able to control the mecha.

Current stance, bonus changeable as a swift action.

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Protective Conscience: At 6th level with 1 minute of work the Conscience Android can allow somebody else adjacent to benefit from Empty Machine. Only one other person can benefit from this at a time, but they can pass on the bonus to somebody else with another minute of work. The Conscience Android can void this bonus as an immediate action.
Empty Machine grants the hit points of the mecha. That stat uses the mecha's original hit points even when it is currently under the effect of One with the Machine, correct?
Yes, clarified.

Synthetic Soul: Can one choose NOT to get the limited wish/wish SLAs? Because getting an SLA means you no longer have access to the Entropy Elemental feat.
Unless you can give me a really good reasoning, the Conscience Android's playing for team anti-entropy, that with building up a soul out of dreams and stuff.

Also, is this a Supernatural ability?

Any of those class abilities supernatural? I don't remember if spirits are supernatural abilities either and whether they work in an AMF or not.
Added clause to the Introduction thread that unless otherwise noticed, everything here that's not raw spellcasting/manifesting or SLAs/PLAs counts as Ex. SCIENCE/nanomachines/piloting skillz did it.

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Re: Conscience Android
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2018, 01:10:39 AM »
That clears it all up. Thank you.

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Current stance, bonus changeable as a swift action.
Okay, so whenever the C-C changes her stance, that changes for the C-A as well. And the C-A benefits from the stance or the ongoing effect, not both. Sounds good.

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Unless you can give me a really good reasoning, the Conscience Android's playing for team anti-entropy, that with building up a soul out of dreams and stuff.
There is no magic involved and no interference from some deity or other. Its generation works the same way the spirits work, thanks to science/piloting skillz/etc. Having a soul by itself isn't anti-entropy either and scientific explanations as to why the soul was created can be devised in similar ways that they would explain how souls come to happen in nature in the first place. In the PSO campaign, for example: "A single soul can also be fragmented over different bodies. With a bit of luck and a lot of work a fragment may grow into a fully fledged new soul." So it could well be that this android soul, given the way Conscience Androids work, was simply the completed process of the android getting a fragment of his conscience companion's soul (which may happen without them even realizing it) and then nurturing it into a full soul.

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Re: Conscience Android
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2018, 01:19:38 AM »
That clears it all up. Thank you.

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Current stance, bonus changeable as a swift action.
Okay, so whenever the C-C changes her stance, that changes for the C-A as well. And the C-A benefits from the stance or the ongoing effect, not both. Sounds good.
Do notice that while not in the controls, the Conscience Companion can't take actions besides spirits.

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Unless you can give me a really good reasoning, the Conscience Android's playing for team anti-entropy, that with building up a soul out of dreams and stuff.
There is no magic involved and no interference from some deity or other. Its generation works the same way the spirits work, thanks to science/piloting skillz/etc. Having a soul by itself isn't anti-entropy either and scientific explanations as to why the soul was created can be devised in similar ways that they would explain how souls come to happen in nature in the first place. In the PSO campaign, for example: "A single soul can also be fragmented over different bodies. With a bit of luck and a lot of work a fragment may grow into a fully fledged new soul." So it could well be that this android soul, given the way Conscience Androids work, was simply the completed process of the android getting a fragment of his conscience companion's soul (which may happen without them even realizing it) and then nurturing it into a full soul.
Fair enuff, added an alternative option for using a cha-based maneuver instead.

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Re: Conscience Android
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2018, 09:41:28 AM »
Added clause to the Introduction thread that unless otherwise noticed, everything here that's not raw spellcasting/manifesting or SLAs/PLAs counts as Ex. SCIENCE/nanomachines/piloting skillz did it.
So a 2nd Officer burning part of their Spirit to Pray away their captain being magically turned into solid rock is no longer a short entry description of the Cleric Class but an Extraordinary effect everyone has learned how to do. Not surprised in the very least. Personally I know that while any sufficiently advanced technology may be indistinguishable from magic, the explanation of how you can impose your will on the world doesn't change how any of it works so I would have gone another way.
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Re: Conscience Android
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2018, 08:14:57 AM »
Quote from: Empty Machine
...counts as having the same amount of energy instead of her own (including the basic 5 energy recovery per turn) as well as any special mecha properties such as transformation and barriers/coats/resistances/Regen/Reactor (do not count arsenal or benefits from others).
It is a bit unclear as to what counts as mecha properties for the purpose of Empty Machine. And also what is meant by not counting Arsenal and "benefits from others".
Since Hardpoint and Arsenal space are Mecha general properties rather than special properties, aren't mentioned in the list of general properties and are also specifically called off not counting, safe to say those aren't transferring. Same goes for the 'Standard Extras' (heat shielding/black box/lights) as they aren't special properties.
What confuses me a bit though is that in the examples of special properties, "resistances" are included, but those aren't special mecha properties. I think the most typical way for a mecha to get resistances would be through the Super Robot upgrades. So is it meant to also transfer the benefits of Super upgrades (beyond those that directly affect the other stats or grant actual special properties)?

It seems like it could, but the line about not counting "benefits from others" makes this unclear.

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Re: Conscience Android
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2018, 03:56:21 AM »
Quote from: Empty Machine
...counts as having the same amount of energy instead of her own (including the basic 5 energy recovery per turn) as well as any special mecha properties such as transformation and barriers/coats/resistances/Regen/Reactor (do not count arsenal or benefits from others).
It is a bit unclear as to what counts as mecha properties for the purpose of Empty Machine. And also what is meant by not counting Arsenal and "benefits from others".
Since Hardpoint and Arsenal space are Mecha general properties rather than special properties, aren't mentioned in the list of general properties and are also specifically called off not counting, safe to say those aren't transferring. Same goes for the 'Standard Extras' (heat shielding/black box/lights) as they aren't special properties.
Correct, they don't transfer.

What confuses me a bit though is that in the examples of special properties, "resistances" are included, but those aren't special mecha properties. I think the most typical way for a mecha to get resistances would be through the Super Robot upgrades. So is it meant to also transfer the benefits of Super upgrades (beyond those that directly affect the other stats or grant actual special properties)?

It seems like it could, but the line about not counting "benefits from others" makes this unclear.
If the mecha had gained resistance or something else from somebody else (say a Support Staff), they wouldn't be transfered.
Super upgrades that qualify would transfer (so Alien Alloy works, Hyperdimensional Storage doesn't for example).

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Re: Conscience Android
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2018, 01:17:19 AM »
Issues here:
  • "Rivarly" under Entry Requirements and several times elsewhere should be spelled "Rivalry".
  • "The 's" under Class Skills should be "The Conscience Android's".
  • "non-souless" under Conscience Companion should be spelled "non-soulless".
  • "whitin" under Conscience Companion should be spelled "within".
  • "proccess" under "Empty Machine" should be spelled "process"
  • "Consience" under Super Robo should be spelled Conscience
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Re: Conscience Android
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2018, 01:30:30 AM »
Clean, clean, clean the lesbian alien ginoid conscience class.

Also super robo doesn't count as a typo?

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Re: Conscience Android
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2018, 01:44:20 AM »
*gynoid =P

I actually assumed "Super Robo" was intentional there, as some sort of reference to... something.

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Re: Conscience Android
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2018, 01:59:54 AM »
Indeed, Iczer's mecha is called Iczer Robo. Plus in my native language we also dropped the "t" from "robot", so sounds more natural to me.

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Re: Conscience Android
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2018, 02:04:15 AM »
Makes sense. Anyway I promise that's the last of my copyedits today (after the Terror Tactics ones) =P