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Meta Board => Retired PbP Games => Archive => [D&D 3.5] Brave New World => Topic started by: InnaBinder on September 07, 2012, 09:04:19 PM
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Now that we've seen what happens when I post when sleep deprived, goblin warblade okay? Unless there is another small race that would fit better, I want to go the twf route using tigerclaw maneuvers.
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Now that we've seen what happens when I post when sleep deprived, goblin warblade okay? Unless there is another small race that would fit better, I want to go the twf route using tigerclaw maneuvers.
Works just fine, potentially. I'm interested to see what a goblin Paragon looks like.
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You pm'ed me a link to one...
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You pm'ed me a link to one...
I'll take it that's the one you're using, then. :p
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Was kinda under the impression that was the one you were allowing
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Was kinda under the impression that was the one you were allowing
It's allowed, indeed.
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I meant the only one allowed.
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I meant the only one allowed.
It's the only one I've seen so far, so. . . .
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A quick search brought up a few, but I think ill use that one. The rest seem lack luster. Base class level then paragon levels correct?
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A quick search brought up a few, but I think ill use that one. The rest seem lack luster. Base class level then paragon levels correct?
Any order you like. You may find "base class first" most beneficial.
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That's what I thought. With the way you have paragon classes stacking for maneuvers, it looks to be the best option. How do they factor into my initiator level?
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As specified in the interest check thread:
That would depend upon the order in which you took them; if you took all 3 levels of Human (edit: or Goblin) Paragon 1st, you'd only have 1 initiator level.
If you took warblade at 1st level, you'd have a total IL of 4, with 1st level maneuvers and one 1st level stance, 1 2nd level stance.
If you took warblade at 2nd level, you'd have a total IL of 3, with no 2nd level stance, and one less maneuver known.
If you took warblade at 3rd level, you'd have a total IL if 2, with no 2nd level stance, and one less maneuver known AND one less maneuver readied.
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Silly question. I was planning on using the Wildshape Ranger from Unearthed Arcana (also on the SRD). In what order would I receive the abilities? I feel that waiting until 14th level to get Fast Movement as a barbarian seems off.
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Silly question. I was planning on using the Wildshape Ranger from Unearthed Arcana (also on the SRD). In what order would I receive the abilities? I feel that waiting until 14th level to get Fast Movement as a barbarian seems off.
Paragon levels do not add to Ranger levels in any way not specifically listed in their text.
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Yeah, I know, I'm talking about what happens when and if I make level 5 and take another level of Ranger.
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Yeah, I know, I'm talking about what happens when and if I make level 5 and take another level of Ranger.
You'll get the 2nd level Ranger benefits available to the Wildshape variant, which as you know, don't include a combat style. Other than that, I'm not sure what you're asking.
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At Ranger 2, would I get Wildshape 1/day, or the fast movement?
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At Ranger 2, would I get Wildshape 1/day, or the fast movement?
If you went straight Ranger 2, which of those, if any, would you get? The answer's the same.
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So are the "Completes" not included in the allowes sources? I had a couple of things from CPsi that I'd like, but I can live without them if not.
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So are the "Completes" not included in the allowes sources? I had a couple of things from CPsi that I'd like, but I can live without them if not.
1. Completes are not included in allowed sources. 2. They made a "Complete Psionics?" :p
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Pxy, your character sheet link is bad.
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So are the "Completes" not included in the allowes sources? I had a couple of things from CPsi that I'd like, but I can live without them if not.
1. Completes are not included in allowed sources. 2. They made a "Complete Psionics?" :p
OK, what about the Practiced Manifester feat? Can I use that?
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So are the "Completes" not included in the allowes sources? I had a couple of things from CPsi that I'd like, but I can live without them if not.
1. Completes are not included in allowed sources. 2. They made a "Complete Psionics?" :p
OK, what about the Practiced Manifester feat? Can I use that?
Because I'm not aware of it being reproduced in any sources on our allowed list, I'm saying no. If I'm misremembering this and it was reproduced in one of the sources on the allowed list, you may use it.
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Nah, it's not reproduced anywhere else. I realize now that Practiced Spellcaster likely isn't allowed either, as it was from the Completes also, wasn't it?
OK, a couple more questions on psicrystals:
1) How do you replace one if it is destroyed?
2) Do they get feats?
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Nah, it's not reproduced anywhere else. I realize now that Practiced Spellcaster likely isn't allowed either, as it was from the Completes also, wasn't it?
OK, a couple more questions on psicrystals:
1) How do you replace one if it is destroyed?
2) Do they get feats?
A new one, identical in every mechanical way to the previous one, automatically poofs into existence 24 hours after the previous one becomes a fine white mist.
They get feats - one for every 3 HD - if you can advance them beyond their automatic advancement from your character's level-ups. If their only method of advancement is the fact that your character gained levels, they don't get feats.
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Nah, it's not reproduced anywhere else. I realize now that Practiced Spellcaster likely isn't allowed either, as it was from the Completes also, wasn't it?
OK, a couple more questions on psicrystals:
1) How do you replace one if it is destroyed?
2) Do they get feats?
A new one, identical in every mechanical way to the previous one, automatically poofs into existence 24 hours after the previous one becomes a fine white mist.
They get feats - one for every 3 HD - if you can advance them beyond their automatic advancement from your character's level-ups. If their only method of advancement is the fact that your character gained levels, they don't get feats.
I'm not sure what you mean by the second part. Their hit dice line says "as master", and as far as I know there is no other way for them to gain hit dice. So I guess the answer is "no, they don't get feats", based on what you said.
No XP (or other) cost when they are destroyed and poof back into existence?
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Nah, it's not reproduced anywhere else. I realize now that Practiced Spellcaster likely isn't allowed either, as it was from the Completes also, wasn't it?
OK, a couple more questions on psicrystals:
1) How do you replace one if it is destroyed?
2) Do they get feats?
A new one, identical in every mechanical way to the previous one, automatically poofs into existence 24 hours after the previous one becomes a fine white mist.
They get feats - one for every 3 HD - if you can advance them beyond their automatic advancement from your character's level-ups. If their only method of advancement is the fact that your character gained levels, they don't get feats.
I'm not sure what you mean by the second part. Their hit dice line says "as master", and as far as I know there is no other way for them to gain hit dice. So I guess the answer is "no, they don't get feats", based on what you said.
No XP (or other) cost when they are destroyed and poof back into existence?
I was not discounting the possibility that you had found some other method of advancing their HD (I haven't, but that doesn't mean someone didn't), and trying to be thorough in my answer with that in mind.
No XP or other cost unless one is involved in making it mechanically identical to its predecessor; in most cases, there should be none involved.
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Sounds good. I made some updates. Let me see if you notice any errors.
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Would you let me use jungle goblin from the SRD instead of the original? I couldn't tell in the racial variants were in play or not...
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Would you let me use jungle goblin from the SRD instead of the original? I couldn't tell in the racial variants were in play or not...
They're case-by-case; jungle goblin is fine.
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Possibility of the Xeph Soulknife alternate class features (http://dsp-d20-srd.wikidot.com/xeph-soulknife)? From the same book as the paragon class.
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Possibility of the Xeph Soulknife alternate class features (http://dsp-d20-srd.wikidot.com/xeph-soulknife)? From the same book as the paragon class.
While I'm letting in the material for the Paragon class in, I'm going to otherwise limit materials to those allowed in the initial listing. Sorry.
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Possibility of the Xeph Soulknife alternate class features (http://dsp-d20-srd.wikidot.com/xeph-soulknife)? From the same book as the paragon class.
While I'm letting in the material for the Paragon class in, I'm going to otherwise limit materials to those allowed in the initial listing. Sorry.
Np, figured I'd check anyway :)
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How would you like to handle the changes to goblin paragon then to bring it in line with the jungle goblin? Using it as is would remove a lot of the penalties associated with jungle goblin otherwise.
Edit: Here (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=443987) is a prelim character sheet. Would the group mind making comments on it. I haven't made a martial adept before, so I wouldn't mind the help.
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So approximately how many people are on this ship? And did they take non-sentient species as well, like Noah's Ark?
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So approximately how many people are on this ship? And did they take non-sentient species as well, like Noah's Ark?
Roughly a thousand, and no. Noah's Ark didn't have the "Create Water" and "Goodberry" spells available. :P
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What do we know about the world we're heading to? I'd assume a huge amount of the conversations going on during the trip there would be about this. So it should have certainly come up. :P
Existing animal and plant life? What about sentient species? Climate? Any odd "planar traits" that are known about?
Edit: Sheet is pretty much complete, including a background. Let me know if anyone spots any errors or inconsistencies, or has any suggestions.
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What do we know about the world we're heading to? I'd assume a huge amount of the conversations going on during the trip there would be about this. So it should have certainly come up. :P
Existing animal and plant life? What about sentient species? Climate? Any odd "planar traits" that are known about?
Edit: Sheet is pretty much complete, including a background. Let me know if anyone spots any errors or inconsistencies, or has any suggestions.
- On board, you find most discussions of the world you're headed to refer to it as "Osa."
- So far as is known, Osa is chilly but habitable; 17 degrees Celsius appears to constitute a "balmy summer day" from observable evidence (remembering that no known visitors to/from Osa were found anywhere on Toril or Eberron).
- Plant and animal life is roughly analogous to what you'd find on those worlds within that given climate range, including at least one Dragon.
- A significant amount of precipitation appears to come during the colder time of the year.
- There is evidence of Raptoran and Killoren habitation, in addition to a small, bearded race that may be Dwarves or Gnomes who are predominantly subterranean. Ruins sighted are of a scale to indicate at least one-time presence of Giants of some sort.
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I'm just waiting on how you'd like to adapt the paragon to jungle goblins and I can finalize the character.
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I'm just waiting on how you'd like to adapt the paragon to jungle goblins and I can finalize the character.
Did I mention that I love jungle goblins? Best fluff write-up for any race in D&D. :P
There is evidence of Raptoran and Killoren habitation, in addition to a small, bearded race that may be Dwarves or Gnomes who are predominantly subterranean. Ruins sighted are of a scale to indicate at least one-time presence of Giants of some sort.
So it is an inhabited world. Hmm... Was any contact initiated with the "natives" prior to (or during) our journey? Or did we avoid that so as to not give away our destination to our "destroyer"?
And if we're running away from a pair of frozen worlds, why go to one that's also cold? How about a nice beach world? :cool
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I'm just waiting on how you'd like to adapt the paragon to jungle goblins and I can finalize the character.
Rather than Hide/Move Silently, Jungle Goblin Paragons get the listed 1st-level bonuses to Jump and Sense Motive, and add +2 to Climb (getting a grand total of +10 on Climb).
Invert what's listed regarding Low-Light Vision and Darkvision (can see 30' farther a non-Paragon Jungle Goblin in Low Light, and has Darkvision).
Fair enough?
Original (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82452).
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Sounds fair, what about the skill list?
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There is evidence of Raptoran and Killoren habitation, in addition to a small, bearded race that may be Dwarves or Gnomes who are predominantly subterranean. Ruins sighted are of a scale to indicate at least one-time presence of Giants of some sort.
So it is an inhabited world. Hmm... Was any contact initiated with the "natives" prior to (or during) our journey? Or did we avoid that so as to not give away our destination to our "destroyer"?
And if we're running away from a pair of frozen worlds, why go to one that's also cold? How about a nice beach world? :cool
No contact has been initiated so far as anyone knows, presumably to avoid detection from the destroyer.
While consistently chilly, Osa's cold does not appear to be unnatural, nor does it appear to weaken the inhabitants. All discussions about warmer climates during the planning phase were also given a prelude of "It was nice when I visited there. . ." or similar, which made them less desirable if hiding was the goal.
Sounds fair, what about the skill list?
What about it, other than - as indicated earlier - adding Sense Motive to the Paragon skill list??
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Well, It's missing both jump and climb. The two skills it gets bonuses to...
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Well, It's missing both jump and climb. The two skills it gets bonuses to...
I was intending "rather than Hide/Move Silently. . ." to indicate that change on the skill list as well.
What, you can't read my mind, yet? :P
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Reading minds is a dangerous game. When you go over my sheet, can you double check my skills? I'm doing my best with them, but I don't want to over/under spend my skill points.
Edit: Sheet is done mechanically. Writing up a background now. I still have 78 gp in loose coin though.
Edit2: Background is up.
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I should have something up in not too much longer, now that I'm finished moving houses.
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I should have something up in not too much longer, now that I'm finished moving houses.
Ugh. I hate moving.
Sunday I rebuilt about half of the front porch on a rental property we have. Some of the support beams had been eaten away by termites, so I had to replace those too. My back is sore as hell, and I'm still sneezing and coughing up dust. It's over 100 years old. I can't even describe how nasty it is having to do any work on that thing. SO much dust...
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Update: Poked at those who have yet to post a character sheet. With any luck, we'll have everything lined up to start within a day or three.
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Working on the final touches of my character (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=443640)... missing a few equipments and background. Any suggestion for equips?
Also, I want a confirmation on my Wild Empathy modifier: +4 (class levels) +4 (Wis mod - Shifter paragon) +4 (Feral Heritage II) +2 (dreamsight) + 1 (uncivilized) = 15. Is this it?
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Working on the final touches of my character (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=443640)... missing a few equipments and background. Any suggestion for equips?
Also, I want a confirmation on my Wild Empathy modifier: +4 (class levels) +4 (Wis mod - Shifter paragon) +4 (Feral Heritage II) +2 (dreamsight) + 1 (uncivilized) = 15. Is this it?
Armor type not listed as of this posting. Wild Empathy modifier looks right.
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Does shifter paragon replace Cha with Wis? I'm AFB, but I thought Cha was involved somewhere.
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Working on the final touches of my character (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=443640)... missing a few equipments and background. Any suggestion for equips?
Also, I want a confirmation on my Wild Empathy modifier: +4 (class levels) +4 (Wis mod - Shifter paragon) +4 (Feral Heritage II) +2 (dreamsight) + 1 (uncivilized) = 15. Is this it?
Armor type not listed as of this posting. Wild Empathy modifier looks right.
The armor is light (according to ECS). Already fixed it in the sheet.
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Working on the final touches of my character (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=443640)... missing a few equipments and background. Any suggestion for equips?
Also, I want a confirmation on my Wild Empathy modifier: +4 (class levels) +4 (Wis mod - Shifter paragon) +4 (Feral Heritage II) +2 (dreamsight) + 1 (uncivilized) = 15. Is this it?
Wow. So you're going to be the beastplomancer? :P
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Working on the final touches of my character (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=443640)... missing a few equipments and background. Any suggestion for equips?
Also, I want a confirmation on my Wild Empathy modifier: +4 (class levels) +4 (Wis mod - Shifter paragon) +4 (Feral Heritage II) +2 (dreamsight) + 1 (uncivilized) = 15. Is this it?
Wow. So you're going to be the beastplomancer? :P
I did not plan much into it. I just got all those modifiers together... and it got that way. :rolleyes
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Heard anything from Pencil and xaotiq1? I think Pencil was a no-show in the Tomb of Horrors game that just started.
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Heard anything from Pencil and xaotiq1? I think Pencil was a no-show in the Tomb of Horrors game that just started.
Heard from xaotiq1, who is not yet done with his sheet. No word as of this posting from Pencil.
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Gotta spend that WBL, and I'll be wit 'ya!
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Gotta spend that WBL, and I'll be wit 'ya!
Great news.
Anyone hear anything from Pencil, or is it time to contact Nanshork and tell him he's up?
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Gotta spend that WBL, and I'll be wit 'ya!
Great news.
Anyone hear anything from Pencil, or is it time to contact Nanshork and tell him he's up?
Bring the fresh meat in!
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Gotta spend that WBL, and I'll be wit 'ya!
Great news.
Anyone hear anything from Pencil, or is it time to contact Nanshork and tell him he's up?
Bring the fresh meat in!
I haven't heard or seen anything of him.
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Thanks for the invite but life just got very grrr and I think I'm about to have a falling out with my in person group before a game even gets off the ground so I'm feeling very unmotivated. :-\
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Thanks for the invite but life just got very grrr and I think I'm about to have a falling out with my in person group before a game even gets off the ground so I'm feeling very unmotivated. :-\
Well, poo.
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Okay, scratch that whole last post.
I'm lazy. What role would serve the group best? :p
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Okay, scratch that whole last post.
I'm lazy. What role would serve the group best? :p
We have a Kalashtar Psion bent on world domination, a Dreamsight Shifter Druid bent on dominating the animal kingdom, a Xeph Soulknife bent on psionic domination of martial combat, and a Strongheart Halfling Ranger bent on bear-shaped domination.
In which way would you like to get bent? :P
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I think we have the basic roles covered, so play whatever you want. I don't think we really have a trapfinder, but I could use 1 power point constructs to spring them, if we need to.
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Something with buffing would probably go well. We have plenty of frontline and magical utility.
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I don't do buffers well, but I could fill the generic skillmonkey roll. Now to pick a race...
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Sharn.
:P
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I don't think they meet the requirements of this game. :P
Edit: This is going to be harder than I thought with the limited book list....
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Well, no one's made a human so far! :D
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Well, no one's made a human so far! :D
The issue isn't picking a race so much as picking a base class/build.
It also doesn't help that I keep thinking of things that would be hilariously suboptimal, or a melee build because we totally need another one of those. :p
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How about a Factotum? I'm not sure what racial paragon you'd possibly use with that, though. You might have to 'brew one. :P
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How about a Factotum? I'm not sure what racial paragon you'd possibly use with that, though. You might have to 'brew one. :P
No can do, Dungeonscape isn't on the allowed book list.
See, picking a base class/build is hard!
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Yeah, I know what you mean... Hmm... you know, a Human Paragon/Cleric/Master of Shrouds might work well. Human Paragon is one of the better dips for entry into MoS at ECL 4, IMO, and Libris Mortis is on the allowed book list. Fluffwise, you could be calling the ghosts/spirits of your fallen ancestors for help, since you know... there are so many of them now, what with everyone else being dead... They're probably pretty pissed off too, and have a vested interest in seeing the last of their lineage doesn't perish like they did. :P
Edit: Here's the Handbook (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=3310). :D
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Yeah, I know what you mean... Hmm... you know, a Human Paragon/Cleric/Master of Shrouds might work well. Human Paragon is one of the better dips for entry into MoS at ECL 4, IMO, and Libris Mortis is on the allowed book list. Fluffwise, you could be calling the ghosts/spirits of your fallen ancestors for help, since you know... there are so many of them now, what with everyone else being dead... They're probably pretty pissed off too, and have a vested interest in seeing the last of their lineage doesn't perish like they did. :P
Edit: Here's the Handbook (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=3310). :D
Ooh, now that's a good idea.
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That isn't a bad idea at all! Unfortunately I don't like playing traditional full-spellcasters... I'm difficult I know.
So far I'm thinking either Rogue/Changling Paragon or Beguiler/Human Paragon.
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Go Beguiler. You know you want to! :P
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That isn't a bad idea at all! Unfortunately I don't like playing traditional full-spellcasters... I'm difficult I know.
So far I'm thinking either Rogue/Changling Paragon or Beguiler/Human Paragon.
How about a generic spellcaster (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/genericClasses.htm#spellcaster) variant with the idea I proposed? You can call yourself a Ghost Whisperer, or something. :tongue I thought the spontaneous cleric was a variant in the srd, but I can't find it...
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That isn't a bad idea at all! Unfortunately I don't like playing traditional full-spellcasters... I'm difficult I know.
So far I'm thinking either Rogue/Changling Paragon or Beguiler/Human Paragon.
How about a generic spellcaster (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/genericClasses.htm#spellcaster) variant with the idea I proposed? You can call yourself a Ghost Whisperer, or something. :tongue I thought the spontaneous cleric was a variant in the srd, but I can't find it...
You mean this (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/spontaneousDivineCasters.htm)?
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That isn't a bad idea at all! Unfortunately I don't like playing traditional full-spellcasters... I'm difficult I know.
So far I'm thinking either Rogue/Changling Paragon or Beguiler/Human Paragon.
How about a generic spellcaster (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/genericClasses.htm#spellcaster) variant with the idea I proposed? You can call yourself a Ghost Whisperer, or something. :tongue I thought the spontaneous cleric was a variant in the srd, but I can't find it...
You mean this (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/spontaneousDivineCasters.htm)?
Yes, that's what I meant. Thanks. :D
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Question: Do we need to make sure we spend all of our starting wealth before hand, as we won't know if it's worth anything in the New World, or will we be able to use it on the "Other Side" if we have any left?
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Question: Do we need to make sure we spend all of our starting wealth before hand, as we won't know if it's worth anything in the New World, or will we be able to use it on the "Other Side" if we have any left?
You have no assurances of the value of your shiny bits of metal/rocks on the other side, other than amongst your new colony.
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Question: Do we need to make sure we spend all of our starting wealth before hand, as we won't know if it's worth anything in the New World, or will we be able to use it on the "Other Side" if we have any left?
You have no assurances of the value of your shiny bits of metal/rocks on the other side, other than amongst your new colony.
Hmm, worth more, worth less, worth same, which do I want to bet on...
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Question: Do we need to make sure we spend all of our starting wealth before hand, as we won't know if it's worth anything in the New World, or will we be able to use it on the "Other Side" if we have any left?
You have no assurances of the value of your shiny bits of metal/rocks on the other side, other than amongst your new colony.
Hmm, worth more, worth less, worth same, which do I want to bet on...
Legitimate question from your DM that influences this issue: How many of you folks are from Toril, and how many are from Eberron?
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Toril.
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Eberron here.
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Eberron.
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Toril.
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Um, eberron I guess. Doesn't really matter to me.
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Wherever. :p
I'll be doing a Human Beguiler, hopefully I'll have it finished tomorrow.
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Phaedrus, I'm going to shamelessly steal your post's template (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=7045.msg108499#msg108499), if you don't mind :P
Also, any idea for an item of up to 1300 gp for a druid? Healing belt and something else?
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Phaedrus, I'm going to shamelessly steal your post's template (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=7045.msg108499#msg108499), if you don't mind :P
Also, any idea for an item of up to 1300 gp for a druid? Healing belt and something else?
No problem. It is SirPercival's template.
Wand of Lesser Vigor? :P We can all pitch in for that, if we can work out that we know each other and have reason to before the game starts... Or we could save some of our starting cash to (collectively) buy one after the game starts, too.
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Phaedrus, I'm going to shamelessly steal your post's template (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=7045.msg108499#msg108499), if you don't mind :P
Also, any idea for an item of up to 1300 gp for a druid? Healing belt and something else?
No problem. It is SirPercival's template.
Wand of Lesser Vigor? :P We can all pitch in for that, if we can work out that we know each other and have reason to before the game starts... Or we could save some of our starting cash to (collectively) buy one after the game starts, too.
You were all on the same vessel for a long journey; the notion that you've all met is entirely reasonable.
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No problem. It is SirPercival's template.
Wand of Lesser Vigor? :P We can all pitch in for that, if we can work out that we know each other and have reason to before the game starts... Or we could save some of our starting cash to (collectively) buy one after the game starts, too.
Makala already has a half charged Wand of Lesser Vigor... I really have no idea what to take with my remaining gp...
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No problem. It is SirPercival's template.
Wand of Lesser Vigor? :P We can all pitch in for that, if we can work out that we know each other and have reason to before the game starts... Or we could save some of our starting cash to (collectively) buy one after the game starts, too.
Makala already has a half charged Wand of Lesser Vigor... I really have no idea what to take with my remaining gp...
:eh Are we going to get into the "partially charged wands" debate here?
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I have 150 gp left after my gear purchases I can donate, because it'll just be spent on masterwork skill tools, otherwise.
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No problem. It is SirPercival's template.
Wand of Lesser Vigor? :P We can all pitch in for that, if we can work out that we know each other and have reason to before the game starts... Or we could save some of our starting cash to (collectively) buy one after the game starts, too.
Makala already has a half charged Wand of Lesser Vigor... I really have no idea what to take with my remaining gp...
:eh Are we going to get into the "partially charged wands" debate here?
So... I take it partially charged wands/dorjes aren't allowed? IIRC, the MiC explicitly says they are, so I assumed they were... since the MiC is allowed. I had a dorje of Detect Psionics down with 25 charges on my sheet as well.
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If it's a problem with that rule from MIC, I can get a fully charged wand, no problem... 375 less gp to worry about anyway...
How is it going to be Inna? This particular rule from MIC is out then?
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No problem. It is SirPercival's template.
Wand of Lesser Vigor? :P We can all pitch in for that, if we can work out that we know each other and have reason to before the game starts... Or we could save some of our starting cash to (collectively) buy one after the game starts, too.
Makala already has a half charged Wand of Lesser Vigor... I really have no idea what to take with my remaining gp...
:eh Are we going to get into the "partially charged wands" debate here?
So... I take it partially charged wands/dorjes aren't allowed? IIRC, the MiC explicitly says they are, so I assumed they were... since the MiC is allowed. I had a dorje of Detect Psionics down with 25 charges on my sheet as well.
I'll allow it.
EDIT: To clarify, you may have partially charged items on your character sheet, indicative of items you've had for a while and are in the process of using up. Remember that your destination is likely to be either without ready access to Ye Olde Magicke Shoppe, at least in the short-term, and so partially charged items will be extremely unlikely as purchase-ready items
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For the purposes of the Shadow Weave Magic feat can my beguiler worship Shar or do I need to meet the Wis requirement?
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For the purposes of the Shadow Weave Magic feat can my beguiler worship Shar or do I need to meet the Wis requirement?
You could worship Shar; I'd recommend the WIS requirement option.
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Understandable.
15 Wis is such an investment though. Decisions decisions.
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Understandable.
15 Wis is such an investment though. Decisions decisions.
You could take the chance to think about Arcane Disciple, as well... Except it is not allowed. Ignore me.
On another note, I updated my sheet (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=7045.msg108378#msg108378)... missing pic and spending 900 gp...
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Alright, I've got a working sheet so far.
I should get finished tonight (hopefully). The stats in my sheet currently are only from the point buy, I haven't included the Human Paragon bonus (or the 4th level bonus) since Int bonuses don't retroactively grant skill ups.
I've decided to go for Wis 15 after all.
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I still have 82 go to spend, but can't really think of anything atm, suggestions?
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I have 282 gold I can't decide with to do with and a background to finish and I'm done.
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That makes all six character sheets. Chapter one's opening is posted.
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I'm going to wait to post until this afternoon when I can get a good background up.
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Almost forgot.... Finished spending the remaining money...
Sheet is completed (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=443640)...
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Wooo! Glad to see this get going!
So, what time of day does it seem to be? I know that might be a bit tricky to discern, given that we don't know what direction we're facing, etc, but I bet someone here can get a decent estimate (hint: Makala :P ). I just wonder if we should start building shelters now, or wait to see if we want to move a bit closer to a water source first, since I think that will be our biggest concern.
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Wooo! Glad to see this get going!
So, what time of day does it seem to be? I know that might be a bit tricky to discern, given that we don't know what direction we're facing, etc, but I bet someone here can get a decent estimate (hint: Makala :P ). I just wonder if we should start building shelters now, or wait to see if we want to move a bit closer to a water source first, since I think that will be our biggest concern.
This.
Inna, regarding my survival check in the IC thread... you want me to roll again to figure where is the North (if there is such thing here), or my last result is enough?
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Wooo! Glad to see this get going!
So, what time of day does it seem to be? I know that might be a bit tricky to discern, given that we don't know what direction we're facing, etc, but I bet someone here can get a decent estimate (hint: Makala :P ). I just wonder if we should start building shelters now, or wait to see if we want to move a bit closer to a water source first, since I think that will be our biggest concern.
This.
Inna, regarding my survival check in the IC thread... you want me to roll again to figure where is the North (if there is such thing here), or my last result is enough?
North is 15 degrees starboard of the direction the Zeppelin faces.
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My background is meh but I feel it is good enough to get started with actually contributing. :)
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As I left the door open one way or the other, and as roughly half of you chose Eberron as your homeworld, I'll put this to a vote:
Do we want to use Action Points? It will potentially make some scenes more challenging, but challenging can mean 'epic.'
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I see no problem with it. Bring in the
challenges epicness!
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Never used them before, but I'm always up for something new.
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I'm game for that.
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I've never used them before. I understand that the Eberron version is considerably less breakable than the one in UA, though. I don't actually own any of the Eberron books. Is there somewhere I can find a summary of what they can be used for online? And could someone help me figure out how many I have? :P
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I've never used them before. I understand that the Eberron version is considerably less breakable than the one in UA, though. I don't actually own any of the Eberron books. Is there somewhere I can find a summary of what they can be used for online? And could someone help me figure out how many I have? :P
Linky. (http://www.scribd.com/doc/33945734/31/ACTION-POINTS)
As for how many you have, here is the breakdown: 5 + 1/2 your level. These action points do not renew each day; only when you level up, losing any unspent action points from the previous level.
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I'm all for action points.
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Maybe I should use one on my diplomacy check for that speech, then, to ensure that I'm elected Emperor of the new world. :P
Personally, I really want to send my character with you guys to go check out the river. But in character, I'm not sure if he'd be more inclined to do that, or stay here and "ensure calm" (which is basically schmooze the people further, so if there are elections later or something, he'll be favored :P ). I guess "leading by example" could work to win some "votes", too, if he makes it well-known that he personally went to check out the new site to insure its safety. :D
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Ha, i'm definitely going to have to make sure I don't get on your bad side. Angry mobs aren't fun when you are on the receiving end.
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I think this could be a really important "speech" in the long run... So I'm going to spend an action point on it...
Rolled 1d6 : 3, total 3
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Bah. Not enough to matter, unless there are other modifiers at work. Wasted my AP. :P
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Bah. Not enough to matter, unless there are other modifiers at work. Wasted my AP. :P
And you're supposed to roll on Invisible Castle's site. :P
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Bah. Not enough to matter, unless there are other modifiers at work. Wasted my AP. :P
And you're supposed to roll on Invisible Castle's site. :P
That means he gets to roll again? :rolleyes :P
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Bah. Not enough to matter, unless there are other modifiers at work. Wasted my AP. :P
And you're supposed to roll on Invisible Castle's site. :P
That means he gets to roll again? :rolleyes :P
It means he gets to roll, since the thing he did above doesn't count. :p
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Bah, fine.
1d20+20=31 (http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/3702745/)
And I won't spend an Action Point on that.
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I'm fine with Action points.
Guh, we can't use the built in dice roller? I haven't used Invisible Castle in months.
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Milo looks to Makala and says,"Do we know how long anyone was unconscious after the crash?"
He then looks at Dakekk and asks the goblin if he saw anything from his vantage point in the trees.
What do you mean here? We weren't unconscious, as far as I'm aware...
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Milo looks to Makala and says,"Do we know how long anyone was unconscious after the crash?"
He then looks at Dakekk and asks the goblin if he saw anything from his vantage point in the trees.
What do you mean here? We weren't unconscious, as far as I'm aware...
I guess I assumed a few people would have passed out or been knocked out in the crash. Unless the zeppelin had crumple zones and side impact airbags. Well, Milo was out for a bit anyway.
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Milo looks to Makala and says,"Do we know how long anyone was unconscious after the crash?"
He then looks at Dakekk and asks the goblin if he saw anything from his vantage point in the trees.
What do you mean here? We weren't unconscious, as far as I'm aware...
I guess I assumed a few people would have passed out or been knocked out in the crash. Unless the zeppelin had crumple zones and side impact airbags. Well, Milo was out for a bit anyway.
Hmm...
Dunno... maybe a few minutes?
How much time passed until everyone was out of the Zeppelin, Inna? An hour? Less? More?
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Milo looks to Makala and says,"Do we know how long anyone was unconscious after the crash?"
He then looks at Dakekk and asks the goblin if he saw anything from his vantage point in the trees.
What do you mean here? We weren't unconscious, as far as I'm aware...
I guess I assumed a few people would have passed out or been knocked out in the crash. Unless the zeppelin had crumple zones and side impact airbags. Well, Milo was out for a bit anyway.
Hmm...
Dunno... maybe a few minutes?
How much time passed until everyone was out of the Zeppelin, Inna? An hour? Less? More?
A quarter of an hour. Fire has a funny way of motivating prompt action.
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Again, please use and link Invisible Castle's die-roller; this was listed in the original Big Sixteen, so isn't a bait-and-switch style surprise.
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Here are my IC rolls to replace the ones from the in character thread. Spot check is first, then climb.
1d20+0=10, 1d20+22=38 (http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/3702827/)
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Again, please use and link Invisible Castle's die-roller; this was listed in the original Big Sixteen, so isn't a bait-and-switch style surprise.
True, but I can't say anything about other people but I skipped over that and just assumed we'd be using the board roller since it can't be tampered with anyway.
Not that there's anything wrong with the IC roller, I'm fine with using it.
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Again, please use and link Invisible Castle's die-roller; this was listed in the original Big Sixteen, so isn't a bait-and-switch style surprise.
True, but I can't say anything about other people but I skipped over that and just assumed we'd be using the board roller since it can't be tampered with anyway.
Not that there's anything wrong with the IC roller, I'm fine with using it.
I just forgot, as I'd been using the board's roller exclusively since it was put in, more or less.
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So it sounds like we're all heading off to check out the river and cave? I think I'll leave my psicrystal behind to keep an eye on things. I'll tell Josiah what it is, and that he can use it to communicate with me (it can speak common).
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I'll be out of town for the next couple of days and may not have internet access.
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This is going to sound stupid, but how does one roll a percentile die on IC Roller :???
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I think it's 1d100.
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Welp...I'M an IDIOT! Thanks a ton Phaed.
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I think it just got lost due to the dice roller issue, but Dakekk is still waiting on the results of his spot and climb checks.
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My mother was admitted to the hospital. It may be a couple of days before I catch up in here. Sorry.
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Hope she pulls through okay, I wish her the best.
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Wow, hope she's OK.
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Hope she pulls through okay, I wish her the best.
This.
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Hope she pulls through okay, I wish her the best.
This.
+1
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Hope she pulls through okay, I wish her the best.
This.
+1
Exactly.
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Okay, crisis appears to be over (kidney stones, complications due to weight/age/painkiller interactions). Update forthcoming by day's end.
Thanks for your patience.
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Okay, crisis appears to be over (kidney stones, complications due to weight/age/painkiller interactions). Update forthcoming by day's end.
Thanks for your patience.
Glad to hear she's doing better!
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Okay, crisis appears to be over (kidney stones, complications due to weight/age/painkiller interactions). Update forthcoming by day's end.
Thanks for your patience.
That's good to hear. While often painful, kidney stones are usually not all that serious, from what I understand. My Dad's had them several times.
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Okay, crisis appears to be over (kidney stones, complications due to weight/age/painkiller interactions). Update forthcoming by day's end.
Thanks for your patience.
That's good to hear. While often painful, kidney stones are usually not all that serious, from what I understand. My Dad's had them several times.
The pain-killer induced seizures were the truly fun part. :grave
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Yeah... drug prescription errors are one of the biggest health problems in the US. My Grandfather was basically killed by multiple doctors prescribing contradictory medications, and the pharmacist failing to catch it, despite my Dad specifically asking the pharmacist if any of them shouldn't be taken together...
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Glad to here she's doing better. My, very recently, ex just went through a remarkably similar situation right before we ended the relationship.
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I had figured that was your plan. Pxy.
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Edited my post. Let's go ahead and get rid of this thing, unless someone else can think of any more questions it might be able to answer. I'm sure you guys are probably bored and tired of me monopolizing the action. ;)
I guess alternatively I could try to diplomance it, but... I think it will probably wind up eating some of our villagers, which might not go over too well for my aspiring political career. :P
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Sense Motive: 20 (http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/3718390/)
Lazaro makes it unless he takes a penalty and then he fails.
Shouldn't the DC only be 15? "Stab him" seems like a pretty simple message. :P
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Sense Motive: 20 (http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/3718390/)
Lazaro makes it unless he takes a penalty and then he fails.
Shouldn't the DC only be 15? "Stab him" seems like a pretty simple message. :P
Indeed.
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Then I guess I get it.
I assumed my roll would be against his, I've never actually used the secret message rules before. :blush
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Then I guess I get it.
I assumed my roll would be against his, I've never actually used the secret message rules before. :blush
I hadn't either before this. :P
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Okay, I got a "4" on my roll. I'm not sure about this, but would anyone be opposed to me saying, "What are you talking about, Saul? I don't remember any stabbing? Did it happen after the crash?"
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Okay, I got a "4" on my roll. I'm not sure about this, but would anyone be opposed to me saying, "What are you talking about, Saul? I don't remember any stabbing? Did it happen after the crash?"
Not at all. :lmao
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Okay, I got a "4" on my roll. I'm not sure about this, but would anyone be opposed to me saying, "What are you talking about, Saul? I don't remember any stabbing? Did it happen after the crash?"
Order of the Stick flashbacks, anyone?
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I edited my spoiler block to include my miss chance roll.
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A couple more actions are still pending, unless folks are holding.
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I'm still waiting on the results of Dakekk's spot check. That's why I havent posted.
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I'm still waiting on the results of Dakekk's spot check. That's why I havent posted.
I'm apparently failing mine. . . which post number in the Chapter 1 thread contains your Spot check?
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Here are my IC rolls to replace the ones from the in character thread. Spot check is first, then climb.
1d20+0=10, 1d20+22=38 (http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/3702827/)
Sorry for the confusion, originally I'd used the board roller and corrected that mistake in this thread.
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So... on the miss chances... did we want to roll high or low? :eh
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So... on the miss chances... did we want to roll high or low? :eh
High is good.
geniussavant, assuming I'm placing your spot and climb checks correctly in sequence (the reason I asked about post number in the chapter thread), you climbed the tree successfully and got a basic look around the open area of the clearing, with its slight incline on one side. Other details of the area were provided by Saul's description.
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So... I just realized that I'm missing a feat... I put down a flaw, but never chose a feat to gain from it... I'll think about it, and get something up later. It will likely be Overchannel, but I'm still debating slightly. Psionic Body for an extra 10 hit points sounds pretty good, too... but that would put me at having the highest hit points in the party, which seems a bit odd...
Alternatively, I could go for a non-psionic feat. Anyone got a good suggestion?
edit: I wound up going with Improved Initiative, as I read in a discussion that Metapsionic feats don't give you bonus hit points for Psionic Body, and you can never have too much of an initiative bonus... I also don't expect to actually use Overchannel much/at all till level 6+, so I'll just take it then.
So a couple of questions:
1) Would you rule that Metapsionic feats count as Psionic feats for the purposes of Psionic Body?
2) Do you allow retraining, as I think that's in the list of allowed sourcebooks?
If the answer to both of those is yes, I might go with Psionic Body still.
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So... I just realized that I'm missing a feat... I put down a flaw, but never chose a feat to gain from it... I'll think about it, and get something up later. It will likely be Overchannel, but I'm still debating slightly. Psionic Body for an extra 10 hit points sounds pretty good, too... but that would put me at having the highest hit points in the party, which seems a bit odd...
Alternatively, I could go for a non-psionic feat. Anyone got a good suggestion?
edit: I wound up going with Improved Initiative, as I read in a discussion that Metapsionic feats don't give you bonus hit points for Psionic Body, and you can never have too much of an initiative bonus... I also don't expect to actually use Overchannel much/at all till level 6+, so I'll just take it then.
So a couple of questions:
1) Would you rule that Metapsionic feats count as Psionic feats for the purposes of Psionic Body?
2) Do you allow retraining, as I think that's in the list of allowed sourcebooks?
If the answer to both of those is yes, I might go with Psionic Body still.
1. Metapsionic feats count as Psionic feats as far as this campaign is concerned.
2. Yes, provided it's not abused and is actually sought in-game instead of as a metagame concern.
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I think I'll just stick with Improved Initiative. Between Share Pain and Vigor (and a psicrystal), I am set on hit points when I want to be.
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So... who are we waiting on? Dakkek? Everyone else made attacks, etc.
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So... who are we waiting on? Dakkek? Everyone else made attacks, etc.
Update coming tonight, regardless.
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Awaiting the other actions in Round 1.
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Three days, guys. What's up?
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Who hasn't posted combat actions yet?
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Sorry, this is what I get for checking the board while busy at work.
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Wow, at this rate, I may have to take Blind-Fight.
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Holy crap! This displacer beast is insanely powerful!! It manipulates our miss chance rolls! :shakefist
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Holy crap! This displacer beast is insanely powerful!! It manipulates our miss chance rolls! :shakefist
Epic Pillow Fight: Engage!
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Holy crap! This displacer beast is insanely powerful!! It manipulates our miss chance rolls! :shakefist
Epic Pillow Fight: Engage!
:lmao Sounds about right...
Edit: Damn... why didn't I pick up some Torchbug Paste like I usually do for my characters... :banghead
Edit2: oh yeah... no completes... Hmm... what's the best alternative we have, given our sources? A wand of Fairy Fire?
Edit3: I hate to point this out but... I notice that Makala has Murky-Eyed as a flaw... :lmao
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Edit3: I hate to point this out but... I notice that Makala has Murky-Eyed as a flaw... :lmao
Not that it matters that much... my rolls are terrible... even if I roll again all I can get is 1... but will try to keep that in mind during my next round...
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Finally! Someone managed to kill the most evil of the BBEGs ever... a lucky displacer beast! :lmao
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I should have started using IC's roller a long time ago. The board's hates me. :D
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Finally! Someone managed to kill the most evil of the BBEGs ever... a lucky displacer beast! :lmao
And there was much rejoicing.
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Displacer beast meat isn't poisonous is it?
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FYI, archers and such recover 9/10 of arrows/bolts fired in my campaigns unless the ammo was on fire or otherwise set to Destruct-O-Mode before flying forth.
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Finally! Someone managed to kill the most evil of the BBEGs ever... a lucky displacer beast! :lmao
No offense to Inna... but that was the most pathetic fight ever, lol. It was like a "kitten vs. commoner" battle, but with more missing. :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES7ttBjS_jU
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Finally! Someone managed to kill the most evil of the BBEGs ever... a lucky displacer beast! :lmao
No offense to Inna... but that was the most pathetic fight ever, lol. It was like a "kitten vs. commoner" battle, but with more missing. :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES7ttBjS_jU
Not my fault you guys couldn't hit. :P
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I just realized I never adopted a stance... Haha woops... I guess I'll just say I'm in leaping dragon stance for the time being.
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FYI, archers and such recover 9/10 of arrows/bolts fired in my campaigns unless the ammo was on fire or otherwise set to Destruct-O-Mode before flying forth.
So.... 90% of 3 arrows = 2 recovered? That's good.
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FYI, archers and such recover 9/10 of arrows/bolts fired in my campaigns unless the ammo was on fire or otherwise set to Destruct-O-Mode before flying forth.
So.... 90% of 3 arrows = 2 recovered? That's good.
Yup. For ease of use, assume the 1st one is the one lost in every fight unless there's some compelling evidence otherwise (or unless folks try to game the system for some advantage).
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I'm assuming you meant F, not C, because 80C is 176F, and fuck me if water heaters in the US break 140.
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I'm assuming you meant F, not C, because 80C is 176F, and fuck me if water heaters in the US break 140.
I meant C. Who said anything about water heaters in the US, given a fantasy world? It's bathwater - as if over an actual fire - in that it's hot, uncomfortable to touch/drink, but not hot enough to cause serious burns in most cases (it's a lower temperature than most restaurants I know serve their coffee, for instance). It was illustrated that the wildlife chooses not to drink it straight from the stream earlier, remember.
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Coffee in the US is regulated to the same temperatures, due to the McDonald's coffee lawsuit incident.
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Coffee in the US is regulated to the same temperatures, due to the McDonald's coffee lawsuit incident.
Citation needed. Every restaurant I know of serves it at 150 -170 plus. The location of the burns on her body and the age of the woman in the lawsuit were seen as contributing factors to the nature of her injuries.
http://abnormaluse.com/2011/03/hot-coffee-take-two-in-florida.html (http://abnormaluse.com/2011/03/hot-coffee-take-two-in-florida.html)
http://www.coffeedetective.com/what-is-the-correct-temperature-for-serving-coffee.html (http://www.coffeedetective.com/what-is-the-correct-temperature-for-serving-coffee.html)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants) - "McDonald's policy today is to serve coffee between 80–90 °C (176–194 °F),[22] relying on more sternly-worded warnings on cups made of rigid foam to avoid future liability, though it continues to face lawsuits over hot coffee.[22][23] The Specialty Coffee Association supports improved packaging methods rather than lowering the temperature at which coffee is served.[21] The association has successfully aided the defense of subsequent coffee burn cases.[24]
Judge Frank Easterbrook wrote a unanimous 7th Circuit Court of Appeals opinion affirming dismissal of a similar lawsuit against coffeemaker manufacturer Bunn-O-Matic. The opinion noted that hot coffee (179 °F (82 °C) in this case) is not "unreasonably dangerous"."
http://www.ncausa.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=71 (http://www.ncausa.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=71) - "Your brewer should maintain a water temperature between 195 - 205 degrees Fahrenheit for optimal extraction. Colder water will result in flat, underextracted coffee while water that is too hot will also cause a loss of quality in the taste of the coffee."
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Huh, apparently we have outdated signage at work, since I just went to pull the updated fda guidelines and they match what you posted. It should still be noted that 3 seconds exposure to water that temperature will still result in full 3rd degree burns, which is backed by ANSI standards for serving temperature.. (Here's a link , because you'll ask for one for that part. http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1365042.html (http://clicky)
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WOO! :clap
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So, when does the next chapter start?
/eager
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So, when does the next chapter start?
/eager
Soon-ish (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=7759.0). :D
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So, when does the next chapter start?
/eager
Soon-ish (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=7759.0). :D
First post in it! Whoo!
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As we begin to explore underground tunnels, I thought I'd put it to a vote: Do folks want me to continue to use Metric in general descriptions, switching to English/Standard/Whatever you choose to call it in combat situations, or should I drop the Metric altogether? Given an international group that includes at least one person of a scientific bent, I initially considered Metric to be easier to grok, but I don't want the game to bog down in conversions.
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Using both is fine - I am much more used to meters than feet, and Celsius than Fahrenheit, for example.
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Metric works just fine for me, I'm more used to it thanks to science and engineering hobbies than anyhow.
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I am equally familiar with both, as an American scientist. "English"/standard units are slightly more convenient since the values in the SRD use them, but it's trivial. So use what you'd prefer.
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I use American measurements but I can deal.
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I use American measurements but I can deal.
Ditto.
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I've been able to convert in my head since I was in middleschool, so it doesn't bother me that Standard units are my more commonly used measurements.
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Continuing with both it is, then.
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xaotiq, they aren't speaking dwarven...
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xaotiq, they aren't speaking dwarven...
That would be difficult, given the languages Saul listed.
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The voices in the other room cry out in surprise, followed immediately by "LOOK OUT!" in a strangely accented Dwarven. Three very short dark-skinned Dwarves appear from around the corner, dressed in sleeveless studded leather armor with straps hanging down below the waist to the knees to form a skirt of sorts over a coarse tan fabric; their shoes are an odd design that is essentially a closed-toe leather sandal, with leather strips wrapped around and around the ankle and shin to the knee, then buckled to metallic knee pads.
The one the furthest to your left has his armor dyed dark green, has a stone-worker's hammer at hanging at his right side, and holds a blowgun up but not to his mouth. His hair is blonde and thinning, worn long and braided behind him, with a short cropped beard that leaves his cheeks bare. The one furthest to your right's armor is dyed a deep brick red, with his own hammer at his side and blowgun ready. His hair is curly, short, and red, and his beard bushier than the one to the left, though his cheeks are also bare. The one in the middle is nearly white-haired, with hints of blonde still in his loose, stringy hair, which he has slicked back with some sort of animal fat. His face is bare but for a fu-manchu mustache which he both braids and ties beneath his chin. He also has a hammer at his side, but in his hand he holds an ornate stone spike, made of mithral. There's obviously a design to it, but his grip on it obscures the details.
He practically brandishes the spike toward Saul as he says in that oddly accented Draconic "What manner creature are you? Raptoran spy? Killoren sympathizer? Dragon's slave? What gives you right of passage in our tunnels?" (DC 17 Sense Motive check is appropriate)
I guess any confusion is coming from the bolded parts. I assumed they are speaking Draconic...
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Well, dag nab it! I don't speak Draconic either. Bummer.
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Blergh. Can I get an "Aid Another" on my survival check to avoid getting lost? I'm 2 short!
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Blergh. Can I get an "Aid Another" on my survival check to avoid getting lost? I'm 2 short!
Is there a particular reason you're not trying to keep reasonably close to the group? If not, I wouldn't worry about it overmuch.
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Blergh. Can I get an "Aid Another" on my survival check to avoid getting lost? I'm 2 short!
Is there a particular reason you're not trying to keep reasonably close to the group? If not, I wouldn't worry about it overmuch.
I think he was wanting to make sure the group doesn't get lost. :P
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Blergh. Can I get an "Aid Another" on my survival check to avoid getting lost? I'm 2 short!
Is there a particular reason you're not trying to keep reasonably close to the group? If not, I wouldn't worry about it overmuch.
I think he was wanting to make sure the group doesn't get lost. :P
Yay, verily.
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Blergh. Can I get an "Aid Another" on my survival check to avoid getting lost? I'm 2 short!
Is there a particular reason you're not trying to keep reasonably close to the group? If not, I wouldn't worry about it overmuch.
I think he was wanting to make sure the group doesn't get lost. :P
Yay, verily.
Until I call for a Survival check - or a Jump, or a Climb, or similar - consider it safe to assume that it's not vital that you succeed at that check.
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I'm happy to let the conversation on the moons of Toril vs the moons of Eberron continue, or to move ahead. Let me know which you'd prefer.
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I'm done mooning over the moon if everyone else is. :)
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I'm good.
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Ready to
moon move on.
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250 XP for establishing non-homicidal contact with the Wild Dwarves.
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Do I gain that even though Dakekk has done almost no interaction with them? Not having the ability to directly speak with them, he's just letting the others handle things.
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Do I gain that even though Dakekk has done almost no interaction with them? Not having the ability to directly speak with them, he's just letting the others handle things.
Yup. Everyone present during an encounter gets the XP for it unless really odd circumstances dictate otherwise.
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I guess I've just had some odd dms then....
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I guess I've just had some odd dms then....
Meh. I make no judgment on them; this is just how I do it. I find it especially punitive to single out folks in PbP for slower advancement, given a typical rate of something like 1 character level/year. "Sorry, Bob. You'll just have to level up in 2 more months. . . probably. . . unless your character slips and falls from the rampart again." Not my style.
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My old rl Dm would only award xp if you "actively worked towards the success of a goal." So if combat happened, and you happen to only attack 2 of a group of 8 monsters, you only got xp for the two you attacked, not all 8.
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My old rl Dm would only award xp if you "actively worked towards the success of a goal." So if combat happened, and you happen to only attack 2 of a group of 8 monsters, you only got xp for the two you attacked, not all 8.
I'm reminded of the old 1e days, when the one who struck the fatal blow was the one who got the XP. Ahh, the joy of kill-stealing.
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That's a little punitive for my tastes.
Also, yay experience!
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I think I have one too many languages, is there any reason I'd have gotten a bonus language above and beyond racial (Common) and languages gained from my intelligence bonus?
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I think I have one too many languages, is there any reason I'd have gotten a bonus language above and beyond racial (Common) and languages gained from my intelligence bonus?
Spending 2 skill points? :P
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I was unsure if Saul should get more languages from permanent boosts to his intelligence after level 1 or not. So I didn't give him any. If he should, then he should have two more languages known.
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I was unsure if Saul should get more languages from permanent boosts to his intelligence after level 1 or not. So I didn't give him any. If he should, then he should have two more languages known.
I allow boosts to INT to grant additional languages, yes. Consider it finally grasping the talks you heard around the marketplace, if you like.
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I think I have one too many languages, is there any reason I'd have gotten a bonus language above and beyond racial (Common) and languages gained from my intelligence bonus?
Spending 2 skill points? :P
That didn't happen. :P
Okay, since I can't figure out what I was doing I just removed Infernal from my sheet as a language known. I assume that's okay?
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I was unsure if Saul should get more languages from permanent boosts to his intelligence after level 1 or not. So I didn't give him any. If he should, then he should have two more languages known.
I allow boosts to INT to grant additional languages, yes. Consider it finally grasping the talks you heard around the marketplace, if you like.
So... I didn't really pay close attention to the racial language choices for having a high Int for Kalashtar when making him... but now that I look, I see that draconic isn't listed, and that he actually has more languages known than there are bonus languages listed for his race. :P So... can I just pick some from outside the list to fill in what he knows? They could represent the ones he picked up after leaving his homeland (and when his Int increased).
I went ahead and chose Rierdran as one of them, since that is on his bonus list, and I think I'll choose Giant for the other. So the languages learned outside his normal racial bonus list would be elven, draconic, and giant.
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I was unsure if Saul should get more languages from permanent boosts to his intelligence after level 1 or not. So I didn't give him any. If he should, then he should have two more languages known.
I allow boosts to INT to grant additional languages, yes. Consider it finally grasping the talks you heard around the marketplace, if you like.
So... I didn't really pay close attention to the racial language choices for having a high Int for Kalashtar when making him... but now that I look, I see that draconic isn't listed, and that he actually has more languages known than there are bonus languages listed for his race. :P So... can I just pick some from outside the list to fill in what he knows? They could represent the ones he picked up after leaving his homeland (and when his Int increased).
I went ahead and chose Rierdran as one of them, since that is on his bonus list, and I think I'll choose Giant for the other. So the languages learned outside his normal racial bonus list would be elven, draconic, and giant.
Not a problem. If adding "languages known" to the bonus language list is going to break my game. . . I'm in major trouble.
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Blergh! I just realized that I put "plant" as Milo's favored enemy. I put it on as a placeholder. Would it be too late to change it to Abberation?
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Blergh! I just realized that I put "plant" as Milo's favored enemy. I put it on as a placeholder. Would it be too late to change it to Abberation?
That's fine.
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Geniussavant, xaotiq1, still with us?
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Sorry guys, for some reason I stopped getting emails about new posts, im still here.
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I bet the accountants helped keep track!
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I bet the accountants helped keep track!
In an effort to show how valuable they are.
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So out of all the NPCs, there is only one who can cast healing spells at all? Oof.
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So out of all the NPCs, there is only one who can cast healing spells at all? Oof.
What, you thought it'd be EASY to start a new Utopia? :P
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Are you claiming that either Toril or Eberron were utopias? :twitch
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Are you claiming that either Toril or Eberron were utopias? :twitch
never made any such claim.
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Just checking. By the by, what in Shaft's name are we doing with "a dozen accountants"!
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Just checking. By the by, what in Shaft's name are we doing with "a dozen accountants"!
The Dwarves don't trust the Gnomes don't trust the Halflings don't trust the Elves don't trust the Changelings don't trust the. . . . with money.
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I think we should all go underground and let the elves get wiped out.
:P
I believe it's late afternoon, so depending on what's going on, may be too late to move the camp today.
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Would I use Survival or Hide to cover our tracks? Or are there too many people for me to do that?
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Covering tracks is a Survival check. The number of people involved makes the attempt pretty difficult.
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So we are all clear in our expectations: Were you folks among those hidden in the Invisibility Sphere?
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So we are all clear in our expectations: Were you folks among those hidden in the Invisibility Sphere?
I kind of debated that in my head... I think we shouldn't be, as our job is to draw the raptorans away from the hidden people. So in fact we should probably be relatively far away from the invisible group, so they don't get caught in the crossfire, or inadvertently detected during the fight (or after... if we all die... Not that we'd care as players, as the game would be over hah, but in the name of good RPing, I think our characters might :P).
Now I don't mean like a mile away. Just far enough that they won't be in danger during the fight, or easily detected. So maybe a (few?) hundred feet or something.
What do you guys think?
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Well, if we're about 100 feet away, they could all use th :rolleyese ranged weapons to flatfooted volley the raptoran if things go south.
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Well, if we're about 100 feet away, they could all use th :rolleyese ranged weapons to flatfooted volley the raptoran if things go south.
Great point. I'd forgotten they had ranged weapons (at least some of them... I forget how many we had).
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Sounds logical to me.
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No problem here. Let's kick some raptoran's ass!
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I keep forgetting that I have spells for out of combat purposes. It has been way too long since I've played a spellcaster.
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I think we should definitely be in a wooded area, also, so we can get some cover and concealment against archers shooting from the air.
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Comprehend Languages (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/comprehendLanguages.htm) is not a touch spell...
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Really?
. In either case, you must touch the creature or the writing.
My emphasis.
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Really?
. In either case, you must touch the creature or the writing.
My emphasis.
Really. Range: Personal. That phrase you bolded states that I have to touch the creature or writing in order to understand its language.
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Really?
. In either case, you must touch the creature or the writing.
My emphasis.
Really. Range: Personal. That phrase you bolded states that I have to touch the creature or writing in order to understand its language.
So, what use are you putting it to that doesn't require touch, then, aside from comprehending a language (which, as we've agreed, requires a touch)?
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Really?
. In either case, you must touch the creature or the writing.
My emphasis.
Really. Range: Personal. That phrase you bolded states that I have to touch the creature or writing in order to understand its language.
So, what use are you putting it to that doesn't require touch, then, aside from comprehending a language (which, as we've agreed, requires a touch)?
:banghead
I cast the PERSONAL spell on myself because that is the only valid target. You speak a language that I don't understand. The only way that I can understand it while under the effects of the spell is if I touch you while you're talking. This has no effect on you whatsoever, but now I can understand you because that's what the spell does. I cannot in any way shape or form cast the spell on another person or allow anyone else to understand languages using the spell without actively translating it for them.
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Really?
. In either case, you must touch the creature or the writing.
My emphasis.
Really. Range: Personal. That phrase you bolded states that I have to touch the creature or writing in order to understand its language.
So, what use are you putting it to that doesn't require touch, then, aside from comprehending a language (which, as we've agreed, requires a touch)?
:banghead
I cast the PERSONAL spell on myself because that is the only valid target. You speak a language that I don't understand. The only way that I can understand it while under the effects of the spell is if I touch you while you're talking. This has no effect on you whatsoever, but now I can understand you because that's what the spell does. I cannot in any way shape or form cast the spell on another person or allow anyone else to understand languages using the spell without actively translating it for them.
Let me put this question another way: Whom are you going to translate? You share a common language with everyone except (possibly) the xenophobic Raptorans whom you haven't met yet. If it's your intention to translate their speech (assuming it becomes necessary), YOU'LL HAVE TO TOUCH ONE OF THEM BEFORE ANY OF THEM KNOW THE INTENT BEHIND YOUR TOUCH.
The reason I brought this up in the first place is I've seen several people in different campaigns who wanted to use Comprehend Languages as some sort of "listening in" ability, in circumstances where it simply won't function the way they wanted it to (because the way they wanted it to work is called the Tongues spell).
For future reference, such rules-discussions do have their own thread here.
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I'm quite aware I have to touch them, I'm casting it just in case. I know what I'm doing, trust me.
Also, this isn't haggling over rulings, this is about how "touch spell" means a spell with a range of touch. This has a range of personal. It isn't a touch spell, it's a spell that requires me to touch someone to benefit from the effects of. I minored in English, the difference is important. :P
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McPoyo, any thing you wanted to get prepared before
death the Raptoran scout team arrives?
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NNot particularly. I tried to build to instant action for starting level.
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So folks know: I had a combination take-home final/final exam due by this afternoon. Game will be updated tonight or tomorrow morning at the latest.
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Np
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I'm still getting moved in to my new place, no rush needed on my account.
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So folks know: I had a combination take-home final/final exam due by this afternoon. Game will be updated tonight or tomorrow morning at the latest.
no problem. thanks for the FYI
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II imagine "because if you attack we will deep fry your race and start a massively successful fast food chain" isn't an appropriate response?
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Hmmm, what happens if I successfully charm a creature that can't see me?
Also, do you use the ruling that a creature knows when it has succeeded on a saving throw?
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Hmmm, what happens if I successfully charm a creature that can't see me?
Also, do you use the ruling that a creature knows when it has succeeded on a saving throw?
You can do anything that the charm would normally allow; if the creature gets sight of you, it gets a new save from realizing its ideas are potentially being influenced.
Yes, a creature who succeeds on a saving throw knows it, barring weird circumstances.
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A shifter that prefers to talk to animals over people is starting the peace talks with wild raptoran... What will happen from this? :lmao
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A shifter that prefers to talk to animals over people is starting the peace talks with wild raptoran... What will happen from this? :lmao
Plot will happen from this. It might happen ALL OVER you.
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II imagine "because if you attack we will deep fry your race and start a massively successful fast food chain" isn't an appropriate response?
:lmao I'll have a wing.
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So... could we get a map? Mainly I want to know which ones are within range of a tanglefoot bag thrown by Saul. I know the red-breast plated guy is, but what about the others?
3-d combat, how fun! :P
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So... could we get a map? Mainly I want to know which ones are within range of a tanglefoot bag thrown by Saul. I know the red-breast plated guy is, but what about the others?
3-d combat, how fun! :P
Working on it. Just be kind to the "finished" product. Map section updated.
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Thanks. I requested permission.
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Should be "anyone with the link" now.
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Is the red raptoran considered to be already "in combat" if I beat him on initiative, and try to nail him with the Attraction (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/attraction.htm) psionic power?
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Is the red raptoran considered to be already "in combat" if I beat him on initiative, and try to nail him with the Attraction (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/attraction.htm) psionic power?
If you beat him on Initiative - because you saw through his deception - you may choose to act as he enters his current square (G2) from F3.
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So... what are the rules on changing actions? :eh Since I see Makala fire off a spell at the raptorans, which will make what Saul was planning to do useless, can I change his action, since she went before me? Technically he hasn't done anything yet.
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So... what are the rules on changing actions? :eh Since I see Makala fire off a spell at the raptorans, which will make what Saul was planning to do useless, can I change his action, since she went before me? Technically he hasn't done anything yet.
You haven't done anything yet; change your plans to match the battlefield as you see it at the point when your Initiative comes up.
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Still awaiting initiative rolls from Milo and Dakkek; if they haven't rolled by 6pm EST, I'll start the fight and presume they're sitting out this combat in the interest of keeping the game moving.
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Initiative order for the Great Raptoran Skirmish:
Initiative:
Yellow - 21
Lazaro - 20
Makala - 18
Red/Black - 17
Saul - 13
Milo - 10
Darius - 9
Teal - 8
Dakekk - observing
Consider the invisible people to spend this round readying their actions. They may go in Round 2, if necessary, provided one of you folks chooses to call on them. At that point, they go on that party member's initiative.
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So... I'm thinking throwing an Obscuring Mist around us might be a decent idea... since we aren't exactly specialized in ranged combat, from what I see on everyone's character sheets...
Either that, or we could call on the NPCs with crossbows hiding nearby...
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Done!
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Done!
Woo! :clap
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The fact that the more I read about Dwarf Fortress (http://lparchive.org/Dwarf-Fortress-Boatmurdered/Update%201-2/), the more I'm reminded of this game scares me...
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The fact that the more I read about Dwarf Fortress (http://lparchive.org/Dwarf-Fortress-Boatmurdered/Update%201-2/), the more I'm reminded of this game scares me...
No matter how much I try I can't actually figure out how to play that game...
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As I told phaedrusxy, in my game your actions are all but entirely malleable until your turn in the Initiative order comes up. Seasoned adventurers like yourselves are used to adjusting on the fly based on the whacky things that your allies do and that happen to you and your allies in the chaos of combat.
Consider this the rule going forward. :)
EDIT: On transparency - If you have bonuses for or penalties against a particular type of spell - like mind-affecting, or a particular energy type - those bonuses carry over regardless of whether it's a spell or a Psionic power. Fire is hot regardless of its source, so your ability to deal with fire well or badly doesn't care about the source. However, Spellcraft/Psicraft and UMD/UPD are separate skills, because your knowledge of how one works specifically does not translate in the same way across those boundaries. Let me know if this makes sense or not from your perspective.
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Mom back in the hospital tonight with a probable need for gall bladder surgery. Posting will be slow at best.
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Mom back in the hospital tonight with a probable need for gall bladder surgery. Posting will be slow at best.
Sorry to hear that. Hope it turns out OK.
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Mom back in the hospital tonight with a probable need for gall bladder surgery. Posting will be slow at best.
Sorry to hear that. Hope it turns out OK.
Thanks. The good news is, it's not her gall bladder. The bad news is, it's not her gall bladder.
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Everyone, back in the pool! :D
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Everyone, back in the pool! :D
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :clap
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Skinny dipping?
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Skinny dipping?
"Skinny" may be a fairly broad term for it, what with the stereotypical shape of a gamer. :p
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Not all of us fit that stereotype :p
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*splash*
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I'm judging all of you. :pout
:p
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xaotiq1: You labeled your roll "listen" and called it "psicraft" in the link, which goes to a 'page not found.' Could you clear that up?
Darius (the character, not Darius the player) is up.
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Done and done Mr DM, Sir!
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Sorry for the delay, post going up shortly.
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I haven't forgotten you guys. I got snowed under, and then apparently I'm a little retarded as far as remembering turn order. :banghead
Should be updated by tomorrow morning at the latest.
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I haven't forgotten you guys. I got snowed under, and then apparently I'm a little retarded as far as remembering turn order. :banghead
Should be updated by tomorrow morning at the latest.
wOOO! :birthday
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Sorry, lost track of who's turn it was. :blush
Edit: Shouldn't the Obscuring Mist spell I cast last turn be on the map? Or is that what the highlighted area is?
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Sorry, lost track of who's turn it was. :blush
Edit: Shouldn't the Obscuring Mist spell I cast last turn be on the map? Or is that what the highlighted area is?
It is indeed.
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yay I might get a turn! :P
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yay I might get a turn! :P
Depends if Makala chooses to give the signal for the hidden masses to darken the sky with crossbow bolts, in part.
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"Those wounded should seek shelter, while those capable of fighting should do so NOW!"
Am I right in reading this as the general order to attack for the masses?
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"Those wounded should seek shelter, while those capable of fighting should do so NOW!"
Am I right in reading this as the general order to attack for the masses?
If they hear me, yes please :)
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So.... Is combat over? More humanoid chickens coming our way or something?
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So.... Is combat over? More humanoid chickens coming our way or something?
Combat is over. The number of crossbows with proficient - though not 'highly skilled' users - you folks elected to use in the defense presented overwhelming odds for your side once you gave the signal to unleash hell; rolling all the attacks and damage became a formality (I could go through it if y'all feel cheated, as that was never my intent).
As for whether more Raptorans are on the way. . . you'll find out. :smirk
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Sorry for the lack of information on my post, Inna... My brain isn't very good these days...
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Sorry for the lack of information on my post, Inna... My brain isn't very good these days...
It's not a problem.
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Yay, XP!
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Yay, XP!
Would have been even more if having a battalion of crossbowmen at your disposal didn't constitute a bit of a situation neutralizer. *cough*
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A little quiet around here. Everything okay?
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I am waiting on the dwarves' answer regarding the burial rites... Assuming someone translated for me...
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We're doing that "everyone's politely waiting for everyone else" thing again, methinks.
How can I help?
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I am looking for help dragging the raptoran's body to wherever we are going to drop them...
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I've been quite busy and starting today it's going to get 10x worse for a while... So I may be spotty at posting. Give me a nudge if I forget. :P
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Consider the corpse problem done.
And guys, we need to make decisions here. The way we are right now, we will spend more time trying to choose something over doing anything useful...
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Consider the corpse problem done.
And guys, we need to make decisions here. The way we are right now, we will spend more time trying to choose something over doing anything useful...
So it's not just your character that's frustrated. :P
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I'm kinda at the same point. . .
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As before: How can I help?
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Sorry I haven't been super responsive lately. Got rear ended in a car crash about two weeks ago and still dealing with herniated discs in my back from it.
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Consider the corpse problem done.
And guys, we need to make decisions here. The way we are right now, we will spend more time trying to choose something over doing anything useful...
So it's not just your character that's frustrated. :P
Kind of... I guess I share some of the hotbloodedness of shifters in general... Being like this in RL actually helps me with roleplaying Makala :P
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I am unable to post much for at least two weeks.
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I am unable to post much for at least two weeks.
:(
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Got a spare moment. :D
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Is this game dead?
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Not sure
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Okay, I just checked and Inna hasn't been online in almost a month...
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Okay, I just checked and Inna hasn't been online in almost a month...
It's now been a month and a half.
Does anyone have any issues with me reporting this game as dead?
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Looks like an unfortunate casualty.