General Discussion

[TravelLog]

Here you may discuss possible plans with one another or work on builds before posting them.

[Shadowmind]

If we have a 70HD Diety and a 100HD Dragon/Outsider for the 4 party members do which character do we use the WBL for?

Factotum 11, Binder 21+, Psion 21(effective), Metamind 10, Witch Slayer 5, Warblade X,


Step one is making a character that can negate any attack/ability that Dispater can throw,
Step two will be trying to attack back.
Step three will be trying to find him.

[Mixster]

I'd say, the hardest part is getting to him. Unless you have your deific immunity to Dimensional Anchor, you are gonna have some problems moving about in an infinitely sized tower.

In addition searching an infinite tower by brute force is impossible, however, if you can somehow glean some sort of knowledge as to where Dispater teleports, the area is finite, you can then use brute force of searching for him.

[Shadowmind]

If the rules allow:(I'm a bit confused on how the 40/70/100 HD cap work with the up to 4 party members)
The challenger will be a Fusion creature made of the DvR 18 being, and the 100 HD Dragon. Epic power version of fusion if needed for the duration.
The Classes already mentioned will be what most of the HD is made of, A Master of Nine with Legacy Champion advancing it further will be a part of the Dragon for the Iron Heart/Diamond Mind/WRT/.
Slayer prc will be used for the Mind effecting immunity to not worry about an opposing DvR check.
The Legacy Weapon will contain at minimum the Cunning ability, epic legacy abilities possible if the 6hp+gp for the abilities is better in the long run.

[Mixster]

Remember that with one of the guys being a thrallherd, we could have an almost infinite supply of minions to fuse into ourselves, meaning that we can get just about everything we need.

[Tshern]

Thinking about a party of four. As I see it now, I need a dragon, two undeads and the deity. Maybe something like this:
-Cannon fodder 1: Dry demilich Wizard X/Archmage 5/Plenty of PrCs here. The point is to keep a lot of caster levels. At level 100, I think 120 will suffice for this mate.
-Cannon fodder 2: Somekind of a friendly draconic chap. Not sure of this one yet, possibly a psionic one.
-Cannon fodder 3: Dry demilich Cleric/PrC.

Then the deity itself. I have a strategy in mind already.

[TravelLog]

You use the 70 HD deity for WBL. And it sounds like Tshern is already putting something together. dun dun dun

[Tshern]

You use the 70 HD deity for WBL. And it sounds like Tshern is already putting something together. dun dun dun

Just dabbling. I have a sound strategy, but the devil is in the details. The builds aren't that hard to do, but the specifics of the strategy are killing me.

[Mixster]

You use the 70 HD deity for WBL. And it sounds like Tshern is already putting something together. dun dun dun

Just dabbling. I have a sound strategy, but the devil is in the details. The builds aren't that hard to do, but the specifics of the strategy are killing me.

I agree, the specifics of the build is not something I think will matter a whole lot, with epic spellcasting anyone can do just about anything.
It's more important to choose a sound strategy.

[Tshern]

You use the 70 HD deity for WBL. And it sounds like Tshern is already putting something together. dun dun dun

Just dabbling. I have a sound strategy, but the devil is in the details. The builds aren't that hard to do, but the specifics of the strategy are killing me.

I agree, the specifics of the build is not something I think will matter a whole lot, with epic spellcasting anyone can do just about anything.
It's more important to choose a sound strategy.

I doubt I will use epic spells apart from Esoteric aegis to shield myself from Mage's Disjunction. Doesn't seem necessary.

[Shadowmind]

Can you use fusion on a being the is already on the effect of fusion? I don't think so which is why the plan only involves two beings at the time.
Component 1, Wyrm of War Vecna Blooded Spire Dragon.Feat dependent abilities will be placed here if possible to take advantage of the higher HD cap.
Component 2, the Diety, Focus: Epic Powers,Focus:Epic spells, Locating Dispater.

Is the 22+DvR a typo for the point buy of greater deities? It went  160, 180, 200, then 22. So I think a 0 was left off.

[Tshern]

It's a typo. Worth clarifying though.

[Mixster]

Also, remember that you are going to ignore your physical stats except for Con, because you'll just use the epic transform spell to turn into the biggest baddie out there. Possibly a Paragon Iron Colossus or something silly.

[Tshern]

Also, remember that you are going to ignore your physical stats except for Con, because you'll just use the epic transform spell to turn into the biggest baddie out there. Possibly a Paragon Iron Colossus or something silly.

You can ignore CON as well. Just transform and then slap on a CON booster to use the new CON score for hitpoints.

[DrHorrible]

I'm working on a Dragon deity 'cause Dragons are cool.

 

[Tshern]

I am working on my first little minion. The minion is just going to be, well, a Cleric, nothing special there. I could, however, use hints about possible prestige class options. The build also assumes that the capstone of Walker in the Waste works as written, so I pay no LA for that. Demilich was ruled to be +8 LA, but I get five for free. Thus, 97 class levels for this fellow.

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Race: Human Dry Demilich
Class: Human Paragon 3/Cloistered Cleric 5/Binder 1/Divine Anima Mage 10/Walker in the Waste 10/Contemplative 9/Cosmic Descryer 7/Loremaster 49/Swordsage 2/Warblade 1

Prerequisite feats: Heat endurance, Improved binding, bunch of metamagics, Energy resistance and Skill focus (Knowledge: X).

This little minion has no particular purpose for the party. Has spellcasting obviously, but in reality that's probably not going to matter too much. If this guy can buy my deity a round or two extra, he has fulfilled his role. I need time to implement my strategy so every little bit helps.

Swordsage levels are there for the defensive maneuvers, Warblade for Ironheart Surge and the SS AC bonus doesn't hurt, although it is quite useless.

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I've got a bad habit of forgetting stuff, so this is just to make sure I remember a few things about this bugger.

• AC: 10+4 (size)+X (wisdom)+97 (insight)
• HP: 1d12+charisma (97 HD)
• Lost caster levels: Warblade 1, Swordsage 2, Binder 1, Cosmic Descryer 4, WitW 2, Human Paragon 1. Total of 11. Practiced spellcaster, so back to 7.
• Feat ideas: Able learner, Darkstalker
• Maneuvers: Diamond defense.

[Mixster]

You should make him one of your proxies at the very least, the bonuses are quite awesome for no cost.

Also he should have been created with the corpsecrafter feat and in a desecrated area.

And Faeries Mysteries initiate might not be a bad idea when you are undead.

[Tshern]

You should make him one of your proxies at the very least, the bonuses are quite awesome for no cost.

I shall not, for a good reasons.

Also he should have been created with the corpsecrafter feat and in a desecrated area.

I do not want to rely on a DM fiat. If Unholy toughness is not enough, I have lost already.

And Faeries Mysteries initiate might not be a bad idea when you are undead.

I do not use Drag Mag stuff.

As a note, here are my thoughts. Apart from Esoteric aegis and the one triangulation spell, I shall not use epic magic. Both spells I have approved. If they are disallowed, I will find something else. In short, my tactics needs nothing else but a guard from Mage's Disjunction. when it comes to epic spells. Trying to keep it simple.

[Tshern]

Sorry for the spam, but...

I just decided to remove myself from the challenge. I will rather stay as an impartial observer and help the DM to answer the questions posed by other challengers. My reasoning is simple, I have had too much time to think about how Dispater works and I have helped TravelLog already with some rulings. As such, I cannot possibly imagine to mount an impartial offense against Dispater.

Good luck fellows.

[Shadowmind]

Okay pretty much all entities in dis can be truly damage with a Consecrate Spell Searing [Fire] spell, using rings of free magic to ignore the planar traits that blocks [Good] spells. Need the Ring for Divination spells as well.

They also can be turned by a  Mortal(only mortals, wonder if Dragons count) if they have turn outsider and if they can get their effect level and turn check high enough.

5,400 damage need to be turn to take down the Iron curtain directly.

Be Vecna-blooed and get Dispater to try to divine your location. Possible, paranoid individuals seeks information about their enemies.

Dark Wind is a problem,  offer bargain that helps further his power over time in order to stay out of the fight? Use DvR 2 epic Bard to fascinate/Suggestion him for a toke of Dis. Chance of success ???%

Catapsi will be an annoyance, does Mind-Affecting block it? Deity immunity won't work. Maybe modified Esoteric Aegis with ward against that power.

Get Dispater outside of the Iron Tower. Improbable.