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Gaming Discussion => D&D 3.5 and Pathfinder => Topic started by: Stratovarius on September 06, 2018, 09:12:55 AM

Title: Class Sources
Post by: Stratovarius on September 06, 2018, 09:12:55 AM
I've got a list of classes I was looking for sources on. Some I know, some, not so sure. All classes would be pre-Pathfinder, so are 3rd party or dragon mag.

Open Questions:
Champion of Bane - ?
Vigilant - ?
Minstrel of the Edge - ?
Brawler base class - Appears to be total homebrew?
Favored of Milil - ?

Sorted, Thanks!
Anti Paladin - Dragon Mag #313
Ultimate Ranger - Ultimate series of books, 3rd party
Man at Arms - Mercenaries, 3rd party
Mighty Contender of Kord - Dragon Mag #283
Blood Archer - Evil, 3rd party
Mystic - Dragonlance CS
Noble - Dragonlance CS
Templar - Athas/Dark Sun
Witch - NPC Class, DMG
Battleguard of Tempus - Dragon #317
Nightshade - Dragon Mag #298
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: Nanshork on September 06, 2018, 11:56:53 AM
A couple of those are the names of Pathfinder classes although I don't know if there are 3rd party 3.5 classes with the same names.
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: Stratovarius on September 06, 2018, 12:42:05 PM
These would all be pre-pathfinder and during third edition active development.
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: SorO_Lost on September 06, 2018, 02:41:56 PM
Champion of Bane - ?
Vigilant - Maybe 3rd Party PF (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/3rd-party-prestige-classes/onyx-path-and-nocturnal-publishing/vigilant-prestige-class/)?
Anti Paladin - Dragon Mag #313 per Realmshelp (http://www.realmshelps.net/charbuild/classes/alternate/antipaladin.shtml)
Ultimate Ranger - Ultimate series of books, 3rd party
Man at Arms - Pathfinder then? (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/fighter/archetypes/samurai-sheepdog-fighter-archetypes/man-at-arms/)
Mighty Contender of Kord - Dragon Mag #283 per Realmshelp (http://www.realmshelps.net/charbuild/classes/prestige/general/mightycontender.shtml)
Nightstalker - DL's Races of Ansalon pg153
Blood Archer - 3rd party somewhere
Mystic - Dragonlance Campaign Setting pg47
Noble - Dragonlance Campaign Setting pg50
Templar - Athas/Dark Sun. Did you mean the PrC out of DotF pg72?
Witch - DMG pg175
Minstrel of the Edge - 3rd party Athas Reborn post? (http://www.athasreborn.com/prc/manual/english/content/prestige_classes/253.html)
Brawler - Pafthfinder (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/hybrid-classes/brawler/)
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: Stratovarius on September 06, 2018, 02:48:39 PM
Nope. Mean man at arms.

Witch is  http://www.nwnprc.net/manual/english/content/base_classes/206.html (http://www.nwnprc.net/manual/english/content/base_classes/206.html), have no idea where it's from.
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: SorO_Lost on September 06, 2018, 03:10:31 PM
Witch is  http://www.nwnprc.net/manual/english/content/base_classes/206.html (http://www.nwnprc.net/manual/english/content/base_classes/206.html), have no idea where it's from.
It's someone's screwed up interpretation of the DMG's Witch. Same Spell List, same Sorcerer Progression, but they added the Wizard's Bonus Feats then tossed other stuff on it because missing the point is what most people do.

Also revised the post a little with some additions. Some of those I don't know.
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: awaken_D_M_golem on September 06, 2018, 07:16:31 PM
Ultimate Ranger may be this :
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/86486/Ranger-Character-Folio?manufacturers_id=3422
" ... This is the ultimate Ranger class character folio for the Pathfinder system. ... "

Witch?
2nd-ing SorO, and it's been an occasional topic since day 1 of 3.0.
Pathfinder went ahead and made one (quite a daring break with ~tradition) :
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/witch/
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: Stratovarius on September 06, 2018, 08:22:44 PM
Not Pathfinder - as mentioned earlier all of these classes would be pre-Pathfinder existing.

Minstrel of the Edge would have come from another source - the Athas Reborn content is actually mine from ten years ago, but I don't remember where the heck someone else found the class from.

Thanks for all the help so far!
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: Keldar on September 08, 2018, 01:15:37 PM
Mongoose did a "Quintessential Witch" for 3.0.
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: RedWarlock on September 08, 2018, 02:39:44 PM
Mongoose did a "Quintessential Witch" for 3.0.
I thought the Quintessential books were just support splats, like per-class versions of “Sword & Fist”, etc.?

Edit: So that was just a support book for the DMG Witch, treating it as a full class. I recall there being Quintessential books for each of the PHB core classes.
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: Vladeshi on September 08, 2018, 06:23:58 PM
There is a Man-at-arms prestige class from Mercenaries by Alderac Entertainment Group, pg. 211.

Brawler is a prestige class from The Quintessential Fighter, pg. 15.
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: Stratovarius on September 09, 2018, 10:11:35 AM
Perfect. That's the Man-at-Arms I was looking for.

Another one to toss on the list - Favored of Milil. I believe it's a Dragon Mag.
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: awaken_D_M_golem on September 10, 2018, 05:11:18 PM
Ultimate Ranger might be part of an extended series of
Ultimate classes done by an '04 era poster Szatany.

Somebody saved the whole pile, from the wotc-pocalypse.
http://www.thecbg.org/wiki/index.php?title=Ultimate_Classes:Main_Page

His stuff used to be linked on a bunch of general and early c.o. pages.
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: altpersona on September 11, 2018, 12:29:45 PM
i would think PBMC would have the most complete reference material
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: Stratovarius on September 11, 2018, 03:09:35 PM
Ultimate Ranger might be part of an extended series of
Ultimate classes done by an '04 era poster Szatany.

Somebody saved the whole pile, from the wotc-pocalypse.
http://www.thecbg.org/wiki/index.php?title=Ultimate_Classes:Main_Page

His stuff used to be linked on a bunch of general and early c.o. pages.

This is definitely the Ultimate Ranger I was thinking of.
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: awaken_D_M_golem on September 13, 2018, 05:56:40 PM
 :o

It's ... it's like I got my pseudo-natural Peanut Butter into your Axiomatic-templated Chocolate.

 :D
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: altpersona on September 13, 2018, 09:11:19 PM
:o

It's ... it's like I got my pseudo-natural Peanut Butter into your Axiomatic-templated Chocolate.

 :D

qft
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: wotmaniac on September 29, 2018, 02:29:16 AM
First, you should be a doll and update your list  :P

Blood Archer: PrC, AEG's Evil, p.68
Brawler: PrC, Mongoose's The Quintessential Fighter, p.15
Witch: base class, AEG's Magic, p.133 (wis-based, wizard progression, with weird mechanic and additional power source)
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: Stratovarius on February 28, 2019, 04:41:39 PM
Alright, I'm back with another set of classes, and fully updated the top post so it's clearer.
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: Nanshork on February 28, 2019, 05:01:24 PM
The only Brawler class I know is from Pathfinder.
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: awaken_D_M_golem on February 28, 2019, 06:48:01 PM
"City Brawler" is a Barb acf in Drag #349.

It didn't catch on, prolly from the tricky wording.
http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=4731.0
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: Stratovarius on February 28, 2019, 09:18:34 PM
Nope, still not it. Class in question looks like  this (http://prc.athasreborn.com/manual/english/content/base_classes/254.html)
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: Nanshork on February 28, 2019, 10:14:28 PM
The only reference I found with google led back to the NWN mod. 
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: Nanshork on February 28, 2019, 10:22:51 PM
Here's the Nightshade source. (https://www.realmshelps.net/charbuild/classes/prestige/general/nightshade.shtml)
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: Jackinthegreen on March 01, 2019, 12:31:56 AM
I know of a Brawler PrC in Dragon 295 pages 72-73, but not a regular class so far.
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: Stratovarius on March 01, 2019, 09:44:00 AM
Here's the Nightshade source. (https://www.realmshelps.net/charbuild/classes/prestige/general/nightshade.shtml)

Perfect, thank you!

The only reference I found with google led back to the NWN mod. 

This is the issue I'm having. I just can't find a source for it anywhere.
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: Vizzerdrix on March 02, 2019, 08:55:04 PM
Have you tried d&d tools?

http://dnd.arkalseif.info/dndtools/classes/?page=7
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: Nanashi on March 03, 2019, 05:06:53 AM
Brawler seems like a Fighter ACF, though homebrew is quite possible.
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: kitep on March 04, 2019, 01:42:51 AM
Champion of Bane - ?
Vigilant - ?
Minstrel of the Edge - ?
Brawler base class - Appears to be total homebrew?
Favored of Milil - ?

Some of these seem to come from Athas Reborn

Champion of Bane - http://www.athasreborn.com/prc/manual/english/content/prestige_classes/69.html
Vigilant - http://www.athasreborn.com/prc/manual/english/content/prestige_classes/85.html
Minstrel of the Edge - http://www.athasreborn.com/prc/manual/english/content/prestige_classes/253.html
Brawler - not listed
Favored of Milil - http://www.athasreborn.com/prc/manual/english/content/prestige_classes/111.html


For a list of prestige classes on Athas Reborn goto http://www.athasreborn.com/prc/manual/english/menus/manual_menus_prestige_classes.html


P.S. They also have some classes with the same names you've already found

Man at Arms - http://www.athasreborn.com/prc/manual/english/content/prestige_classes/119.html
Blood Archer - http://www.athasreborn.com/prc/manual/english/content/prestige_classes/156.html

P.P.S. Brawler was under base class and I was looking at just the prestige classes
Brawler - http://www.athasreborn.com/prc/manual/english/content/base_classes/254.html
And some other classes you've already found in other places with the same class name.




Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: Stratovarius on March 04, 2019, 05:35:00 AM
That's why I'm asking. That's my manual.  :P
Title: Re: Class Sources
Post by: Nanshork on March 04, 2019, 09:25:00 AM
 :lmao