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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #60 on: June 03, 2013, 04:30:00 PM »
Holy crap! Arias, now I know how you felt yesterday. I'm offline for 18 hours and I had a page and a half of OoC to read through...

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« Reply #61 on: June 03, 2013, 04:53:07 PM »
Huh, I didn't think he slept around with mortals. @_@

His forge is in the mortals world, and he fell from Olympus for a decent amount of time. He had more reason to than Zeus or Apollo. (though either of them beats his record manifold.)

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Zelus is appropriate.
Just seems kind of out of place for Zelus, minor guy that he is, to lead to Paragon... unless... could create the world's weirdest family tree, but Thetis? Also explains Outsider. >.>

It's all up to you, I was just making suggestions to help you along.
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Question about Ride by Attack based on this passage from the mount handbook:

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The downside is that, well, by RAW it isn't actually possible to keep moving in a straight line after charging except in a small number of situations, since this would result in you moving through your enemy's space. The designers probably intended either that you could end a charge in any space from which you could attack the target, or that you could make an overrun attempt as a free action as part of using this feat (it seems to have been written before those rules were finalised), but make sure you clear up this issue with your DM.

Thoughts?

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You charge in a line from past E5, through E5, then to D4 to attack, then you pass through C4, B3 & A2 on your way out. Strait line, you attacked, and so on. It makes it sound like you might be forced to go through their space, with the charge rules forcing you to go strait toward the enemy & all, but that forgets that the charge rules just force you to close to the closest area you can attack from, not the actual area of the target.

The name of the feat is what actually happens. You ride-by, and attack.

And, even if you did have to go through their space, that's basically emulating a DC 35 Tumble check, no?

Also, Riding Boots from the MIC. 12,000 gp, here's their text:

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Can a centaur benefit from those (refluffed as horseshoes, or something)?

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A centaur's lower body is like an horse, which allows the centaur to count as riding for beneficial purposes. For example, a centaur charging with a lance deals double damage. It also counts as a quadruped for carrying purposes. This also allows the centaur to count as having Mounted combat and maxed ranks in Ride for qualifying for feats and Prcs.

So, I would say most definitely.

Also also, is there a way to increase the number of charges on a charges/day item (specifically thinking of Boots Horseshoes of the Battle Charger)?

Depends on the item. Some, I would progress the cost linearly, some would progress factorial, some wake me go "Why is that a limited use", and you end up being able to by charges until it is at-will.

For those things, 1K per charge, at-will at 5 charges.

Bear in mind, since both of your questions are about horseshoes, the cost of layering abilities together (+50% for all but the most expensive).




Also, people, pity, mercy and uncle. If you reference something, books, page numbers, links, something. I am trying to do lots of stuff at the same time, and speeding up how quickly I can check this stuff out would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #62 on: June 03, 2013, 04:59:51 PM »
Hey, I'll add links when I'm done. :p

-Goes with Hyperion in the end because he has an awesome name.-

... now to work out other stuff. :lmao

Important question, how much stuff should we have done with our lives by this point?

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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #63 on: June 03, 2013, 05:03:30 PM »
Holy crap! Arias, now I know how you felt yesterday. I'm offline for 18 hours and I had a page and a half of OoC to read through...
and I was away all weekend...

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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #64 on: June 03, 2013, 05:10:11 PM »
Holy crap! Arias, now I know how you felt yesterday. I'm offline for 18 hours and I had a page and a half of OoC to read through...
and I was away all weekend...

Hey... welcome back. Long time no see. And in the meantime... all of that happened.  :rolleyes

No, the worst part is that I've had to learn it is best to write up a bit of the answer before quoting, so that the quote will get in the edit-questions.
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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #65 on: June 03, 2013, 05:13:00 PM »
Important question, how much stuff should we have done with our lives by this point?

Enough to validate the stuff on your sheets. So, in your case, a lot of training.
Beyond that the rest is sort of up to you, but please be kind to continuity.
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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #66 on: June 03, 2013, 05:27:46 PM »
Ok, so Spirited Charge is a viable option.

I started out with the concept of a wise dude who looked at the stars a lot and did divination and buffing stuff. My character is shaping up to be that, plus a terrifying damage dealer. I hope the legendary monsters we fight can take a hit or two.

Thoughts on the Khan 13 HD ability (do a ritual with [mental stat mod] people to let you share "magic buffs" with them)?

Here's Osle's answer to my question on it interacting with spellshaping:

If you're asking if it was intended to work with every new magic system that other people would come up with, no it isn't.

Altough in the end it would probably be for the DM of the campaign to decide.

Sort of a no, but sort of not. I'm not trying to layer spellshaping synergy on top of regular casting synergy, I'm replacing the latter with the former. I wouldn't say spellshaping buffs are even as powerful as equivalent level buff spells. Certainly not more so. 



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« Reply #67 on: June 03, 2013, 05:48:58 PM »
I hope the legendary monsters we fight can take a hit or two.
:twitch :looloo
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Most of these things couldn't be killed with damage by demigods. They can take a pounding.
Heck, some were just pounded into the ground instead of being killed.

Sort of a no, but sort of not. I'm not trying to layer spellshaping synergy on top of regular casting synergy, I'm replacing the latter with the former. I wouldn't say spellshaping buffs are even as powerful as equivalent level buff spells. Certainly not more so.

Your formulas and such I would say could, but I'm still curious about other effects. Asked a modified question of him myself.
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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #68 on: June 03, 2013, 06:01:39 PM »
Here we are, I guess. Adding links now.

And done.
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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #69 on: June 03, 2013, 06:16:06 PM »
Ok, so Spirited Charge is a viable option.

I started out with the concept of a wise dude who looked at the stars a lot and did divination and buffing stuff. My character is shaping up to be that, plus a terrifying damage dealer. I hope the legendary monsters we fight can take a hit or two.

Thoughts on the Khan 13 HD ability (do a ritual with [mental stat mod] people to let you share "magic buffs" with them)?

Here's Osle's answer to my question on it interacting with spellshaping:

If you're asking if it was intended to work with every new magic system that other people would come up with, no it isn't.

Altough in the end it would probably be for the DM of the campaign to decide.

Sort of a no, but sort of not. I'm not trying to layer spellshaping synergy on top of regular casting synergy, I'm replacing the latter with the former. I wouldn't say spellshaping buffs are even as powerful as equivalent level buff spells. Certainly not more so.

Hm... are you stepping on my toes??? I mean, I've got a 19HD pegasus with 6 hoof attacks, and will be dual-wielding lances... but that makes two chargers.

You totally shoulda gestalted Centaur & Astronomer. :D
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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #70 on: June 03, 2013, 06:42:11 PM »
Hm... are you stepping on my toes??? I mean, I've got a 19HD pegasus with 6 hoof attacks, and will be dual-wielding lances... but that makes two chargers.

You are a much more focused charger, in his case, it's more of an add-on.

Also, it's not like there's many options to deal damage with against these things. You either have to go full Dreadnaught like Athanasia, hit from a distance like Orion, or hit then retreat, like you two. Because they will hurt you worse than you'll hurt them.

Really, Athanasia is pretty much the only one I can imagine being near the Hydra for any amount of time... and, even then, ...
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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #71 on: June 03, 2013, 06:49:05 PM »
At least I can pull a fast retreat. :lmao

Do Hardness and Damage Resistance stack?

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« Reply #72 on: June 03, 2013, 07:12:58 PM »
Do Hardness and Damage Resistance stack?

Yes.
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« Reply #73 on: June 03, 2013, 07:14:07 PM »
Fun fact: my armour negates the 'magic' part of magic weaponry, thereby making the DR effectively DR /-. @_@

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« Reply #74 on: June 03, 2013, 07:23:40 PM »
Hey arias, does the teleport function of my armor (from dragon compendium) work, since i have an effective paladin level but am not a paladin?
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« Reply #75 on: June 03, 2013, 07:33:59 PM »
Hey arias, does the teleport function of my armor (from dragon compendium) work, since i have an effective paladin level but am not a paladin?

Yes.

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« Reply #76 on: June 03, 2013, 07:37:45 PM »
Hey arias, does the teleport function of my armor (from dragon compendium) work, since i have an effective paladin level but am not a paladin?

Yes.

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Alternatively... is VoP ok for Pegs to take??
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« Reply #77 on: June 03, 2013, 07:46:27 PM »
Hey arias, does the teleport function of my armor (from dragon compendium) work, since i have an effective paladin level but am not a paladin?

Yes.

Hey, I like these questions!
Alternatively... is VoP ok for Pegs to take??

VoP does not work / is not allowed for cohorts, animal companions, or anyone else to whom it doesn't matter to / isn't that restrictive of.
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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #78 on: June 03, 2013, 08:01:36 PM »
Hm... are you stepping on my toes??? I mean, I've got a 19HD pegasus with 6 hoof attacks, and will be dual-wielding lances... but that makes two chargers.

You totally shoulda gestalted Centaur & Astronomer. :D

Astronomer wise, you pointed out that it's not really period appropriate. That would have been an awesome option, though.

Toes stepping wise, I strongly doubt I'm going to come anywhere close to your damage output. I may have a slightly better to hit, with double stacked Wis, a +7 enhancement weapon and the ability to effectively roll each attack 4 times (albeit with a -5 on the second two) but I only have the one lance and no pounce so no hoof attacks (and I certainly wouldn't have six. That mental image amuses me.) I do have +6-12d6 from formulae but that's extra damage so it doesn't get multiplied by lance/charge.

I'm planning to justify my existence as much through buffing, debuffing and divination as damage, though my damage output is now better than I was expecting. 

Whether the buffing will be mostly for me or for everyone except Athanasia depends on whether the Khan ability lets me share buffs. Any word on that Arias?

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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #79 on: June 03, 2013, 08:04:47 PM »
What's my chance of actually hitting anything like? :lmao