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SPEW!: A guide to spitting for fun and profit.
« on: August 20, 2013, 01:54:19 PM »
Hi there!

If you're like me, you appreciate the fact that d20 is like the baroque era - there's a little bit of everything crammed in there, so if you work hard enough, anything's possible.

Like spitting on people as a viable combat tactic!

Before we go any further, you'll need the following sources in order to spit gainfully:

SOURCES!

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Let's begin!

STEP 1: SPIT!

There are a couple of ways to make your loogies deadly.  Let's take a peek:

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A POISONOUS BITE!

If you didn't read the last spoiler, you'll be confused by now.  Go on, go back.  We'll be waiting.

For those of you who learned to read ALL the text in high school, ONWARDS!

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DEADLY SPITTLE!

Yup, that's right - it's ON now.  This is what makes things NASTY ... um, nastiER.  In a "hurt people" way.

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WHO SHOULD SPIT?

It's worth discussing.  This is not an end-game, crazy-sauce, destroy the planet and Pun-Pun style tactic. 

So why bother?

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RACES of SPIT (Spiders and Serpents, Oh My!)

Things that can spit all seem, appropriately enough, to be creepy-crawlies - what fun!

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TEMPLATES of SPIT

Would you like some cheese with that?

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SPITTING with CLASS

Heh.  Get it?  'Cause spitting's low-class, and ... nevermind.

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PRESTIGIOUS SPIT

'Cause sometimes you want to wear a top hat when you spit.

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EXPECTORATION FEATS

To expectorate:
  • verb (used without object)
    to eject or expel matter, as phlegm, from the throat or lungs by coughing or hawking and spitting; spit.
  • verb (used with object)
    to eject or expel (matter) in this way.

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SPIT SPELLS!

It seems unfair that casters spit better, too, but they do everything better.  Put it on a bumper sticker.

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AFTER the SPIT

It pays to ask what else you might consider doing.

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EXPECTORATION EXTRAS:

Miscellaneous spit-worthy stuff!

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Re: SPEW!: A guide to spitting for fun and profit.
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2013, 01:54:31 PM »
EXPECTORATORS by CATEGORY

Before I start, it behooves me to point out that spewing is primarily a low-level technique; after a certain level, everything's immune to poison or the ability damage dealt is insignificant.  With that said, if using the Dragon #313 Spit Venom variant OR the Blinding Spittle spell (assuming it works for Deadly Spittle), you can create higher level viable and tough builds using Iaijutsu Focus abuse.

BLINDING SPITTLE BUILDS

These builds rely on the use of the Druid's Blinding Spittle, shaped into a cone, to create a NO SAVE, NO ATTACK roll blinding cone of nasty that lasts "until the target uses a standard action AND water to wash his eyes."  The potential for abuse is crazy when it's paired with Iaijutsu Focus.

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HANDYMAN SPITTERS

These builds use tools - Wands of Blinding Spittle and Venomfire - to achieve similar effects to those above.  Thus, they only work if your DM first rules Blinding Spittle works with Deadly Spittle, and second that wands work the same as spells for those purposes.

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INCARNUM SPEWERS

I think Incarnum is where spitting really shines.  It's low-level, it's fun, and it's flavorful.  Heh.

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INVOCATION-BASED EXPECTORATORS

Let's hear it for non-caster casters!  Spitting is a nice way to round out someone who wishes he cast real spells.  Plus, I have a soft spot for DFAs.   ;)

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MORE SPIT-CASTERS ...

Again, not really fair or even rational to make spitting primary on a caster, but hey - why not?  For the sake of completeness ...

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And that, kids, is that.  I'm sure, given the immensity of the published material out there, that I've missed a TON of fun classes, feats, races, spells, and equipment handy for spitters, so please feel free to spray them all over this thread.  If you have a build, just use my format above and I'll post it (if I like it).
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Re: SPEW!: A guide to spitting for fun and profit.
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2013, 02:21:11 PM »
Is it me, or you just posted the most dirty guide on the boards?  :love
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Re: SPEW!: A guide to spitting for fun and profit.
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2013, 02:33:56 PM »
Is it me, or you just posted the most dirty guide on the boards?  :love

I HOPE so!   :D

And ... urm ... ahem (pushes English teacher glasses up) ...

That would be "dirtiest."

Maybe I should work on a guide to tentacle combat ...

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Re: SPEW!: A guide to spitting for fun and profit.
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2013, 08:25:25 PM »
Maybe I should work on a guide to tentacle combat ...
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Re: SPEW!: A guide to spitting for fun and profit.
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2013, 08:44:55 PM »
Shouldn't this be in the handbooks section? Either way, interesting stuff.

Edit: The Emanothrope link is broken. Because you have it written directly, the boards think that the period at the end of the sentence is part of the link.
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You have bad list tags at the end of Shinomen Naga (no closing /li tag) and the start of Mongrelfolk (extraneous opening list tag). The tags at the start of the Fang of Seth PrC and Wand Bracer item are messed up, too. You also seem to have a set of extraneous opening list tags at the start of the first post and closing /list tags at the end of the first post.
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Re: SPEW!: A guide to spitting for fun and profit.
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2013, 08:50:31 PM »
Is it me, or you just posted the most dirty guide on the boards?  :love

If he adds a guide to this ability it'll be the dirtiest.

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Re: SPEW!: A guide to spitting for fun and profit.
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2013, 09:13:29 PM »
If he adds a guide to this ability it'll be the dirtiest.

If someone creates the 'Vore guide to D&D, I will burn the internet.

The entire internet.
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Re: SPEW!: A guide to spitting for fun and profit.
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2013, 09:16:57 PM »
1. If you can turn your spit into an area effect cone, is it a breath weapon? If so, can I use all the spells that modify breath weapons?

2. If I get a necklace of natural weaponry, can I apply WSAs to my spit?
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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2013, 10:35:57 PM »
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Re: SPEW!: A guide to spitting for fun and profit.
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2013, 03:23:49 AM »
This is brilliant. We need more of these. Then I can make my dreams of a massive joke campaign come true!
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Definitely, definitely need a swallow whole guide.
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Re: SPEW!: A guide to spitting for fun and profit.
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2013, 03:36:24 AM »
WOOO!  :clap
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Re: SPEW!: A guide to spitting for fun and profit.
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2013, 06:02:19 AM »
Now only if you could have a character with both swallow whole and the ability to spit abilities, you would have an interesting dilemma regarding your attack options: spit or swallow?
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Re: SPEW!: A guide to spitting for fun and profit.
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2013, 08:37:49 AM »
Very fun guide. :D

However, Venomfire specifically says it has no effect on creatures who do not have a natural poisonous attack. So it shouldn't work on the druid using Blinding Spittle, or any of the other things that rely on spells or other pseudo-magical effects to pick up their poison(s).
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Re: SPEW!: A guide to spitting for fun and profit.
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2013, 12:35:55 PM »
Now only if you could have a character with both swallow whole and the ability to spit abilities, you would have an interesting dilemma regarding your attack options: spit or swallow?

I just spat chocolate milk all over. It seems as though I have Improved Spit. It's everywhere.

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Re: SPEW!: A guide to spitting for fun and profit.
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2013, 01:56:03 PM »
Share Soulmeld + symbionts = As cheesy as your DM allows. Many aweful images come to mind but spitting tentacles is over the tops.

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Re: SPEW!: A guide to spitting for fun and profit.
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2013, 04:50:39 PM »
1. If you can turn your spit into an area effect cone, is it a breath weapon? If so, can I use all the spells that modify breath weapons?

2. If I get a necklace of natural weaponry, can I apply WSAs to my spit?

I do not think spit counts as a "natural weapon," technically, though this could be open to interpretation.  The rules list only physical melee weapons, not spit or breath.

On the issue of breath, it isn't breath - it's SPEW.  As I mentioned, LIKE breath, but wetter (ewwww).  MUCH more humiliating for your target, too!   :lol

Share Soulmeld + symbionts = As cheesy as your DM allows. Many aweful images come to mind but spitting tentacles is over the tops.

Oh ... GAWD.  We need to get a listing for Half-Daelkyr and that funky Half-Daelkyr class, now.  And a section on symbionts ... and on GRAFTS, for that matter!  Hmm ... I need to look up that flesh-grafting class now, too.  Phew! 

Shouldn't this be in the handbooks section? Either way, interesting stuff.

Edit: The Emanothrope link is broken. Because you have it written directly, the boards think that the period at the end of the sentence is part of the link.
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[url=http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20040621a]Emanothrope[/url]

You have bad list tags at the end of Shinomen Naga (no closing /li tag) and the start of Mongrelfolk (extraneous opening list tag). The tags at the start of the Fang of Seth PrC and Wand Bracer item are messed up, too. You also seem to have a set of extraneous opening list tags at the start of the first post and closing /list tags at the end of the first post.

Noted.  The tags on this board are not fun to work with.  I'm working on fixing it up - thanks for the heads-up!

Very fun guide. :D

However, Venomfire specifically says it has no effect on creatures who do not have a natural poisonous attack. So it shouldn't work on the druid using Blinding Spittle, or any of the other things that rely on spells or other pseudo-magical effects to pick up their poison(s).


Hey PXY!  Yep, you're right - modified the base text to reflect that, and will modify builds when time allows.  That said, I think you qualify as having "natural venom" when you're wild-shaped, so critters with Natural Spell should be fine. 

Also, that makes races with natural venom more attractive, which is nice!  After all, so many have unreasonable LA (where WAS the Yuan-Ti Tainted One re-printed?  I FAR prefer the Savage Species +1 LA version - it's almost worth playing, given the serpent shape bit!).

Maybe I should work on a guide to tentacle combat ...
JJ I'm so glad to have you back. I love fringe optimization. Clearly you are up to the challenge of the tentacle handbook. School girls must be included. ;)

Thanks, man.  You know, I'm starting to think there's a "Guide To Disgusting Things to Do To Your Enemies" in this, somewhere.  Swallow Whole, Gape of the Serpent (for eating things your own size!), Barbed Stinger (impaling people on your giant pokey tail has some definite "Seven" flashback potential ... does anyone else remember that movie and get the heeby-jeebies just because of that ONE scene?), and a tentacle guide (Darktentacles, those big hounds from LoM, Deepspawn feat, Extended Reach, the Illithid tentacle feats from CPsi, and tentacle symbionts ...).

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Re: SPEW!: A guide to spitting for fun and profit.
« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2013, 08:56:48 PM »
Barbed Stinger (impaling people on your giant pokey tail has some definite "Seven" flashback potential ... does anyone else remember that movie and get the heeby-jeebies just because of that ONE scene?)
Yes... One of the few movie scenes to leave me feeling permanently scarred years later...
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Re: SPEW!: A guide to spitting for fun and profit.
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2013, 01:32:28 AM »
It may interest you to know that I pimped the Incarnum Four in the newest Totemist Handbook (scroll down). Since the builds had some problems we started discussing how to improve them a bit. The reason I told you this on this thread is because builds for the Flaming Loogie were posted  :).
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Re: SPEW!: A guide to spitting for fun and profit.
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2013, 01:46:41 AM »
Barbed Stinger (impaling people on your giant pokey tail has some definite "Seven" flashback potential ... does anyone else remember that movie and get the heeby-jeebies just because of that ONE scene?)
Yes... One of the few movie scenes to leave me feeling permanently scarred years later...

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