[3.P] Who wants to be cursed and hopeless?

[phaedrusxy]

Oh, right, one profession skill is maxed for free. :O

-Makes it cooking.-

EDIT: I am trying to think of a cheaper way to remove the 'this armour slows you down' thing than Mithral, 'cause I can't afford that yet.*

*Would that I could, then my AC would be in the 20's.

The Teeth of Dahlver Nar (Savnok) costs 2000 gp and lets you move full speed regardless of encumbrance/armor. Depending on your armor/shield, that might be cheaper.

[Raineh Daze]

Not as good as Mithral Mountain Pattern Plate, but it's a close second. Kikko Armour, by the way is amazing for the price.

WIP: I still need to work out my damn equipment.

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Himura Akemi


Lawful Good Human Paladin 3

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• Strength: 13 [+1]
• Dexterity: 18 [+4]
• Constitution: 12 [+1]
• Intelligence: 12 [+1]
• Wisdom: 8 [-1]
• Charisma: 18 [+4]

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• HP: (3d10+6)
• Saves:
  
  • Fort: 8 (3 Base + 1 Con + 4 Cha)
  • Ref: 9 (1 Base + 4 Dex + 4 Cha)
  • Will: 6 (3 Base - 1 Wis + 4 Cha)
• AC:
  
  • Normal: 21 (10 Base + 4 Dex + 5 Armour + 2 Other Armour)
  • Touch: 14 (10 Base + 4 Dex)
  • Flat-Footed: 17 (10 Base + 5 Armour + 2 Other Armour)
• Initiative: +4
• Attacks: Katana: +8, 1d8+5; Wakizashi: +8, 1d6+5
• Full Attack: +6/+6
• Defences:
• Immunity to Fear
• Immunity to Disease
• Other:

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• Diplomacy: +11 (3 Ranks + 3 Class + 4 Cha + 1 Honest)
• Linguistics: +4 (3 Ranks + 1 Int)
• Perception: +2 (3 Ranks - 1 Wis)
• Profession (Cooking): +5 (3 Ranks + 3 Class - 1 Wis)
• Stealth: +4 (3 Ranks + 4 Dex - 2 ACP)

Languages: Common, Celestial, Sylvan, Elven, Dwarven

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• 1st Two-Weapon Fighting
• 1st (Human) Weapon Finesse
• 1st (Flaw) Improved Weapon Finesse
• 3rd Power Attack

Flaw: Shaky (-2 to Ranged Attack)
Trait: Honest (+1 Diplomacy, -1 Bluff & Sense Motive)

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Aura of Good
At-Will Detect Evil
Smite Evil (1/day)
Divine Grace
Lay on Hands (6/day, 2d6 Healed)
Aura of Courage
Divine Health
Mercy (Shaken)

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Ceremonial Silk Armour (to look less militant)
Masterwork Katana
Masterwork Wakizashi
Masterwork Dastana
Masterwork Chahar-Aina
Masterwork Kikko Armour
Tooth of Dahlver Nar (Savnok)

Total Cost: 2995GP

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Akemi was, originally, trained with the full knowledge that she would go into the priesthood, tending a shrine to the empress or some other minor task; her family was far too large and she too devout for any other course of action to seem reasonable. But, strangely, a silver-tongued samurai in service of the ruler herself came along and talked Akemi's family into allowing the girl to train with him--with her physique and devotion, what better path would there be than a warrior in serve of Jingu?

It wasn't meant to last, though: training complete, and with nothing to do in the peace between the wars, Akemi was lost: how could she serve her empress, if there was no work for her blade?

The mark solved that problem: she would investigate the calamity for the goddess.

[phaedrusxy]

A couple of those heavy armors are also better than full plate (base AC + max Dex = 10).

[phaedrusxy]

This really seems like an error/oversight: The Vitalist, the psionic healer base class, doesn't get Cleanse Body/Cleanse Spirit on its powers list, but the Psion/Wilder has it at 2nd level... WTF!

Any way to check if this has been corrected in an Errata or something? Can we just house rule it in?

Edit: Hah! They have actually corrected it on the DSP web forum!

Vitalist Power List
Add Cleanse Body as a 2nd level Vitalist power.

[SolEiji]

A reach polearm of some sort (Combined with Improved Weapon Finesse, it'll be fun)(Don't you love that scene in Hero?) I've been hunting hard for a polearm that has trip & disarm, but it doesn't seem to exist. I may end up using the Tengu's alternate feature to pick up proficiency in Dwarven Warpikes or Hooked lances, but I'm still undecided. Since we're level three, I can manage Improved Weapon Finesse and Agile Manuevers, which means I don't have to be locked into disarming and tripping. I may take tripping and overrun instead.

Which reminds me, Sol, how would you rule the interaction between the flurry of Manuevers and the Overrun maneuver?

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At 1st level, as part of a full-attack action, a maneuver master can make one additional combat maneuver, regardless of whether the maneuver normally replaces a melee attack or requires a standard action. The maneuver master uses his monk level in place of his base attack bonus to determine his CMB for the bonus maneuvers, though all combat maneuver checks suffer a –2 penalty when using a flurry.

At 8th level, a maneuver master may attempt a second additional combat maneuver, with an additional –3 penalty on combat maneuver checks.

At 15th level, a maneuver master may attempt a third additional combat maneuver, with an additional –7 penalty on combat maneuver checks.

This ability replaces flurry of blows.

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You can attempt an overrun as a standard action taken during your move. (In general, you cannot take a standard action during a move; this is an exception.) With an overrun, you attempt to plow past or over your opponent (and move through his square) as you move. You can only overrun an opponent who is one size category larger than you, the same size, or smaller. You can make only one overrun attempt per round.

If you’re attempting to overrun an opponent, follow these steps.
Step 1

Attack of Opportunity. Since you begin the overrun by moving into the defender’s space, you provoke an attack of opportunity from the defender.
Step 2

Opponent Avoids? The defender has the option to simply avoid you. If he avoids you, he doesn’t suffer any ill effect and you may keep moving (You can always move through a square occupied by someone who lets you by.) The overrun attempt doesn’t count against your actions this round (except for any movement required to enter the opponent’s square). If your opponent doesn’t avoid you, move to Step 3.
Step 3

Opponent Blocks? If your opponent blocks you, make a Strength check opposed by the defender’s Dexterity or Strength check (whichever ability score has the higher modifier). A combatant gets a +4 bonus on the check for every size category he is larger than Medium or a -4 penalty for every size category he is smaller than Medium. The defender gets a +4 bonus on his check if he has more than two legs or is otherwise more stable than a normal humanoid. If you win, you knock the defender prone. If you lose, the defender may immediately react and make a Strength check opposed by your Dexterity or Strength check (including the size modifiers noted above, but no other modifiers) to try to knock you prone.
Step 4

Consequences. If you succeed in knocking your opponent prone, you can continue your movement as normal. If you fail and are knocked prone in turn, you have to move 5 feet back the way you came and fall prone, ending your movement there. If you fail but are not knocked prone, you have to move 5 feet back the way you came, ending your movement there. If that square is occupied, you fall prone in that square.
Improved Overrun

If you have the Improved Overrun feat, your target may not choose to avoid you.
Mounted Overrun (Trample)

If you attempt an overrun while mounted, your mount makes the Strength check to determine the success or failure of the overrun attack (and applies its size modifier, rather than yours). If you have the Trample feat and attempt an overrun while mounted, your target may not choose to avoid you, and if you knock your opponent prone with the overrun, your mount may make one hoof attack against your opponent.

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As a standard action, taken during your move or as part of a charge, you can attempt to overrun your target, moving through its square. You can only overrun an opponent who is no more than one size category larger than you. If you do not have the Improved Overrun feat, or a similar ability, initiating an overrun provokes an attack of opportunity from the target of your maneuver. If your overrun attempt fails, you stop in the space directly in front of the opponent, or the nearest open space in front of the creature if there are other creatures occupying that space.

When you attempt to overrun a target, it can choose to avoid you, allowing you to pass through its square without requiring an attack. If your target does not avoid you, make a combat maneuver check as normal. If your maneuver is successful, you move through the target's space. If your attack exceeds your opponent's CMD by 5 or more, you move through the target's space and the target is knocked prone. If the target has more than two legs, add +2 to the DC of the combat maneuver attack roll for each additional leg it has.

Its the interaction between 'regardless of whether its a standard action or attack action' and 'standard action, taken during your move' that has me thinking this is a DM decision point. I've never actually considered it before, and I could go either way, although to be honest, I feel like a maneuver master can't overrun as part of the flurry, as you don't have a move action available, even though you could do the standard action. I could argue the other way, although that argument is largely based on 'Maneuver master is clearly intended to make all these maneuvers as part of his flurry, and overrun is a core maneuver, therefore....'

And, frankly, the added maneuverability (essentially getting to add a move action as part of your full action) would be a godsend to the monk's weaknesses.

From the looks of it....

Overrun lets you move and take a standard mid-move.
Flurry lets you get an extra standard for a combat maneuver.
Thus it looks like you can move and take two standards to overrun, knocking down two instead of one person in your move (or trying to knock down the same person twice if you loop back around for another shot).

Having it give you another move probably isn't broken if done that way, but it doesn't seem to be the intent from what I can tell.  I'll keep thinking on it though.

On the matter of moving, look into the... Shirt of the Quick Runner I'm pretty sure it's called.  1/day extra move as a swift action for a cheap 500g.  Good for mobility options and setting up charges.

... I am sad that I have to refluff weapons (Rapier and Short Sword) rather than just use the actual stats given for the katana and wakizashi. Because critical modifiers. I am also amused that the first one isn't finessable. Does this thing look like you're going to be using STR with it?

I always thought scimitars/falchions made better katanas than bastard swords.  Katana's main feature always screamed "razor sharp/not durable" which just oozes high crit range and finesse.

[phaedrusxy]

Shirt of the Quick Runner I'm pretty sure it's called.  1/day extra move as a swift action for a cheap 500g. 

The Chronocharm of the Horizon Walker does that, from the MiC. Then of course there is Travel Devotion, which can be picked up with a cleric dip (along with a lot more).

[Frogman55]

A reach polearm of some sort (Combined with Improved Weapon Finesse, it'll be fun)(Don't you love that scene in Hero?) I've been hunting hard for a polearm that has trip & disarm, but it doesn't seem to exist. I may end up using the Tengu's alternate feature to pick up proficiency in Dwarven Warpikes or Hooked lances, but I'm still undecided. Since we're level three, I can manage Improved Weapon Finesse and Agile Manuevers, which means I don't have to be locked into disarming and tripping. I may take tripping and overrun instead.

Which reminds me, Sol, how would you rule the interaction between the flurry of Manuevers and the Overrun maneuver?

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At 1st level, as part of a full-attack action, a maneuver master can make one additional combat maneuver, regardless of whether the maneuver normally replaces a melee attack or requires a standard action. The maneuver master uses his monk level in place of his base attack bonus to determine his CMB for the bonus maneuvers, though all combat maneuver checks suffer a –2 penalty when using a flurry.

At 8th level, a maneuver master may attempt a second additional combat maneuver, with an additional –3 penalty on combat maneuver checks.

At 15th level, a maneuver master may attempt a third additional combat maneuver, with an additional –7 penalty on combat maneuver checks.

This ability replaces flurry of blows.

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You can attempt an overrun as a standard action taken during your move. (In general, you cannot take a standard action during a move; this is an exception.) With an overrun, you attempt to plow past or over your opponent (and move through his square) as you move. You can only overrun an opponent who is one size category larger than you, the same size, or smaller. You can make only one overrun attempt per round.

If you’re attempting to overrun an opponent, follow these steps.
Step 1

Attack of Opportunity. Since you begin the overrun by moving into the defender’s space, you provoke an attack of opportunity from the defender.
Step 2

Opponent Avoids? The defender has the option to simply avoid you. If he avoids you, he doesn’t suffer any ill effect and you may keep moving (You can always move through a square occupied by someone who lets you by.) The overrun attempt doesn’t count against your actions this round (except for any movement required to enter the opponent’s square). If your opponent doesn’t avoid you, move to Step 3.
Step 3

Opponent Blocks? If your opponent blocks you, make a Strength check opposed by the defender’s Dexterity or Strength check (whichever ability score has the higher modifier). A combatant gets a +4 bonus on the check for every size category he is larger than Medium or a -4 penalty for every size category he is smaller than Medium. The defender gets a +4 bonus on his check if he has more than two legs or is otherwise more stable than a normal humanoid. If you win, you knock the defender prone. If you lose, the defender may immediately react and make a Strength check opposed by your Dexterity or Strength check (including the size modifiers noted above, but no other modifiers) to try to knock you prone.
Step 4

Consequences. If you succeed in knocking your opponent prone, you can continue your movement as normal. If you fail and are knocked prone in turn, you have to move 5 feet back the way you came and fall prone, ending your movement there. If you fail but are not knocked prone, you have to move 5 feet back the way you came, ending your movement there. If that square is occupied, you fall prone in that square.
Improved Overrun

If you have the Improved Overrun feat, your target may not choose to avoid you.
Mounted Overrun (Trample)

If you attempt an overrun while mounted, your mount makes the Strength check to determine the success or failure of the overrun attack (and applies its size modifier, rather than yours). If you have the Trample feat and attempt an overrun while mounted, your target may not choose to avoid you, and if you knock your opponent prone with the overrun, your mount may make one hoof attack against your opponent.

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As a standard action, taken during your move or as part of a charge, you can attempt to overrun your target, moving through its square. You can only overrun an opponent who is no more than one size category larger than you. If you do not have the Improved Overrun feat, or a similar ability, initiating an overrun provokes an attack of opportunity from the target of your maneuver. If your overrun attempt fails, you stop in the space directly in front of the opponent, or the nearest open space in front of the creature if there are other creatures occupying that space.

When you attempt to overrun a target, it can choose to avoid you, allowing you to pass through its square without requiring an attack. If your target does not avoid you, make a combat maneuver check as normal. If your maneuver is successful, you move through the target's space. If your attack exceeds your opponent's CMD by 5 or more, you move through the target's space and the target is knocked prone. If the target has more than two legs, add +2 to the DC of the combat maneuver attack roll for each additional leg it has.

Its the interaction between 'regardless of whether its a standard action or attack action' and 'standard action, taken during your move' that has me thinking this is a DM decision point. I've never actually considered it before, and I could go either way, although to be honest, I feel like a maneuver master can't overrun as part of the flurry, as you don't have a move action available, even though you could do the standard action. I could argue the other way, although that argument is largely based on 'Maneuver master is clearly intended to make all these maneuvers as part of his flurry, and overrun is a core maneuver, therefore....'

And, frankly, the added maneuverability (essentially getting to add a move action as part of your full action) would be a godsend to the monk's weaknesses.

From the looks of it....

Overrun lets you move and take a standard mid-move.
Flurry lets you get an extra standard for a combat maneuver.
Thus it looks like you can move and take two standards to overrun, knocking down two instead of one person in your move (or trying to knock down the same person twice if you loop back around for another shot).

Having it give you another move probably isn't broken if done that way, but it doesn't seem to be the intent from what I can tell.  I'll keep thinking on it though.

The problem is that flurry doesn't give me an extra standard, it gives me an extra maneuver as part of a full attack. If Flurry of Manuevers simply let you take an extra maneuver action each round, this would be easy. Locking it into a full attack is where the potential problem lies. Although, it would be much easier if I had pounce or a psuedo-pounce (like the tiger claw maneuver that gives a swift action jump). Either way, I've got options.

Overrun is just thematic, and it'd be nice to make it work with the alternate flurry. Disarm remains just as good though.

[SolEiji]

The problem is that flurry doesn't give me an extra standard, it gives me an extra maneuver as part of a full attack. If Flurry of Manuevers simply let you take an extra maneuver action each round, this would be easy. Locking it into a full attack is where the potential problem lies. Although, it would be much easier if I had pounce or a psuedo-pounce (like the tiger claw maneuver that gives a swift action jump). Either way, I've got options.

Overrun is just thematic, and it'd be nice to make it work with the alternate flurry. Disarm remains just as good though.

Huh, you are correct, I missed that.  Hmm, that complicates things.  Technically you wouldn't have a move.  It has to be a full-attack, which move+standard technically isn't.  What about a charge, a charge is a full attack.  Ah, but wait, then you can't overrun.  Though I thought you could charge and overrun instead of attacking and, no no, cause it's not normally an attack OR standard, it's a standard+move and oh god I've gone cross eyed.

[Raineh Daze]

... I am sad that I have to refluff weapons (Rapier and Short Sword) rather than just use the actual stats given for the katana and wakizashi. Because critical modifiers. I am also amused that the first one isn't finessable. Does this thing look like you're going to be using STR with it?

I always thought scimitars/falchions made better katanas than bastard swords.  Katana's main feature always screamed "razor sharp/not durable" which just oozes high crit range and finesse.

Yeah.

I am still confused they're exotic weapons. They're swords; there's nothing terribly exotic about them compared to other swords.

[SolEiji]

... I am sad that I have to refluff weapons (Rapier and Short Sword) rather than just use the actual stats given for the katana and wakizashi. Because critical modifiers. I am also amused that the first one isn't finessable. Does this thing look like you're going to be using STR with it?

I always thought scimitars/falchions made better katanas than bastard swords.  Katana's main feature always screamed "razor sharp/not durable" which just oozes high crit range and finesse.

Yeah.

I am still confused they're exotic weapons. They're swords; there's nothing terribly exotic about them compared to other swords.

"But.... but.... but they're all EASTERN.  We can't have MONKS and NINJAS in our serious European Knight Simulator.  Now pass me my wizard sheet, I need to bend time and space."

[Raineh Daze]

... I am sad that I have to refluff weapons (Rapier and Short Sword) rather than just use the actual stats given for the katana and wakizashi. Because critical modifiers. I am also amused that the first one isn't finessable. Does this thing look like you're going to be using STR with it?

I always thought scimitars/falchions made better katanas than bastard swords.  Katana's main feature always screamed "razor sharp/not durable" which just oozes high crit range and finesse.

Yeah.

I am still confused they're exotic weapons. They're swords; there's nothing terribly exotic about them compared to other swords.

"But.... but.... but they're all EASTERN.  We can't have MONKS and NINJAS in our serious European Knight Simulator.  Now pass me my wizard sheet, I need to bend time and space."

Would I get them as Martial for coming from the right area? And would I get to finesse the things?* :3

*PF actually gives them goodish stats, non-finessable nature of the katana aside. 18-20 crit range, 1d6/1d8. Which is why I even care, as otherwise it's 19-20, 1d6 for both hands. XD

[SolEiji]

... I am sad that I have to refluff weapons (Rapier and Short Sword) rather than just use the actual stats given for the katana and wakizashi. Because critical modifiers. I am also amused that the first one isn't finessable. Does this thing look like you're going to be using STR with it?

I always thought scimitars/falchions made better katanas than bastard swords.  Katana's main feature always screamed "razor sharp/not durable" which just oozes high crit range and finesse.

Yeah.

I am still confused they're exotic weapons. They're swords; there's nothing terribly exotic about them compared to other swords.

"But.... but.... but they're all EASTERN.  We can't have MONKS and NINJAS in our serious European Knight Simulator.  Now pass me my wizard sheet, I need to bend time and space."

Would I get them as Martial for coming from the right area? And would I get to finesse the things?* :3

*PF actually gives them goodish stats, non-finessable nature of the katana aside. 18-20 crit range, 1d6/1d8. Which is why I even care, as otherwise it's 19-20, 1d6 for both hands. XD

I totally forgot PF has separate katana stats.  So they did give them high crit.  Good!

Thanks to Improved Weapon Finesse it'll be finessable regardless if it says so or not.  As far as proficiency.... frankly I'd give it to you, it's such a minor buff as to be pointless.  I just wonder if it'll have unintended consequences.  Any objections from other players?  Otherwise I think it should be fine.

(Note to self: Make a list of common weapons per nation.  For example, I know Taphos had shotels...)

[Raineh Daze]

I forgot that IWF did that. :O

Hey, question: what is the exact wording of the agreement between Medved and Jingu?

[FireInTheSky]

Shall we move this conversation over to the OOC thread?

[SolEiji]

Shall we move this conversation over to the OOC thread?

You can if you want to, I made it for later though for when the game actually starts.  Don't feel compelled to.