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Re: [Interest Check] 3.5. Warfare, leadership and world-saving
« Reply #100 on: March 12, 2017, 05:25:31 PM »
The best parts of Protection from Evil have nothing to do with alignment, anyway (protection from mind control/possession).

(I don't have a dog in this fight... just chiming in from the popcorn gallery :P)
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Re: [Interest Check] 3.5. Warfare, leadership and world-saving
« Reply #101 on: March 12, 2017, 05:30:18 PM »
Since Aasimar Paragon is not a thing I would like to know if either I would be allowed to use Human Paragon or this to count as my homebrew allowed.

And wow, something on dandwiki that isn't crazy broken. Sure, go for it.

Thank you.

As yet another question, am I allowed to start with undead in my Animate Dead pool or will I have to fill it as we go?

Fill it as you go.

That is what I was expecting.

I'll just steal a giant flying monster to ride on for thematic purposes instead~ Maybe the necromancer can build me a zombie dragon in exchange for giving him a bard with Requiem & an Alphorn  :devil

I won't be starting with one, but I can earmark the first dragon we kill for you. :D

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Re: [Interest Check] 3.5. Warfare, leadership and world-saving
« Reply #102 on: March 12, 2017, 09:12:26 PM »
Here is the current status.
Ketaro: Major Red Dragon Blooded Orc, Barbarian 5 / Orc Warlord 4 // Warlord 5 / Paragon 4
Chemus: Evolved Necropolitan Magic Blooded Draconic Lesser Aasimar, Paladin of Slaughter 9 // Draconic 1 / Marshal 2 / Fighter 2 / Evolved 1 / Legendary Leader 3
Rekmond: White Dragonspawn Dvati, Crusader ? / PF's Invulnerable Rager Barbarian ?
Vladeshi: Lesser Aasmir, Aasimar Paragon Dread Necromancer ? // Bard or Swordsage ?
Maelphaxerazz: ?
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Nanshork: Marshal Homebrew X // ?
SorO_Lost: Likely Magic-Blooded Human, Mystic Ranger 4 / Bone Knight 5 // Dread Necromancer 8 / Fire-Souled(?) 1
Gosh, I am way behind everybody else, aren't I  :o
You can put me down as a Venerable Dragonwrought Kobold Factotum 9 // Dragon Warlord* 5/Chameleon 4 for now.

*that'll be my one homebrew. It is actually just Orc Warlord without me being an orc, with Dragonblood replacing the Rage prereq, and with the Final Rage capstone replaced with Dread Pirate's "Pirate King" capstone (except it is renamed Dragon King). Because why use somebody else's one homebrew when I can (lazily) homebrew something myself?

(If you are wondering how I put nine levels of prestige class in the other side, consider the interaction of PHBII's class rebuilding rules with gestalt. As written, you could lose one side's classes and use the other side's classes to meet the prereqs.)

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Re: [Interest Check] 3.5. Warfare, leadership and world-saving
« Reply #103 on: March 12, 2017, 09:59:41 PM »
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I was looking at picking up Phalanx Fighting but was wondering how'd it work since you kicked alignments to the curb for this game. I was also looking at literally my entire army running this feat.....

Can Cohorts & Followers also have bloodlines?

Edit: I came across a weapon in Dragon Magazine (I think...113?) called the Executioner's Mace and can I have this?

We have no alignment. Die, Alignment, die.

When battling terrifying hordes of enemies, you find strength in your shield brothers and sisters.
Prerequisites: Base attack bonus +3, good alignment.
Benefit: You gain a sacred bonus to your AC against the attacks of evil creatures and a sacred bonus to saves against the spells and abilities of evil creatures equal to the number of adjacent allies who also have this feat.

I only feel lucky that it does require BAB +3, meaning that thousands of troops won't have this ability.

The PCs are Special. Cohorts and followers may not have bloodlines.

Yeah, you're good on the executioner's mace.
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Close enough, thank you xD

Further question.

Does Protection from X not work in this game then?

Right. Spells and effects dependent on alignment, such as Protection from Evil, simply do not exist in this version of the game. There's no alignment for them to protect you from, and no alignment for them to have.

Which is it? Do things that function against a specific alignment do nothing or do they apply against everything? Is it a case-by-case basis thing?

I contradicted myself?? Of all the continuity errors possible in this wide, wide internet, how could I have fallen victim to this one iconic blunder? :sobbing :p

I'm tempted to say it's a case-by-case situation, but I'm also loathe to not solve those with rules. So let's say they apply against everything, for now. If a situation comes up when that doesn't work, we'll address it at that time. So in this case, there's a "Protection" spell, since "from X" isn't really necessary. How does that sound?

And thanks for catching that, Garryl.

Here is the current status.
Ketaro: Major Red Dragon Blooded Orc, Barbarian 5 / Orc Warlord 4 // Warlord 5 / Paragon 4
Chemus: Evolved Necropolitan Magic Blooded Draconic Lesser Aasimar, Paladin of Slaughter 9 // Draconic 1 / Marshal 2 / Fighter 2 / Evolved 1 / Legendary Leader 3
Rekmond: White Dragonspawn Dvati, Crusader ? / PF's Invulnerable Rager Barbarian ?
Vladeshi: Lesser Aasmir, Aasimar Paragon Dread Necromancer ? // Bard or Swordsage ?
Maelphaxerazz: ?
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Nanshork: Marshal Homebrew X // ?
SorO_Lost: Likely Magic-Blooded Human, Mystic Ranger 4 / Bone Knight 5 // Dread Necromancer 8 / Fire-Souled(?) 1
Gosh, I am way behind everybody else, aren't I  :o
You can put me down as a Venerable Dragonwrought Kobold Factotum 9 // Dragon Warlord* 5/Chameleon 4 for now.

*that'll be my one homebrew. It is actually just Orc Warlord without me being an orc, with Dragonblood replacing the Rage prereq, and with the Final Rage capstone replaced with Dread Pirate's "Pirate King" capstone (except it is renamed Dragon King). Because why use somebody else's one homebrew when I can (lazily) homebrew something myself?

(If you are wondering how I put nine levels of prestige class in the other side, consider the interaction of PHBII's class rebuilding rules with gestalt. As written, you could lose one side's classes and use the other side's classes to meet the prereqs.)

Sounds good to me.
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Re: [Interest Check] 3.5. Warfare, leadership and world-saving
« Reply #104 on: March 12, 2017, 10:05:23 PM »
I contradicted myself?? Of all the continuity errors possible in this wide, wide internet, how could I have fallen victim to this one iconic blunder? :sobbing :p

At least you didn't get involved in a land war in Asia or go up against a Sicilian when death was on the line.

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Re: [Interest Check] 3.5. Warfare, leadership and world-saving
« Reply #105 on: March 12, 2017, 11:47:31 PM »
You can put me down as a Venerable Dragonwrought Kobold Factotum 9 // Dragon Warlord* 5/Chameleon 4 for now.
(If you are wondering how I put nine levels of prestige class in the other side, consider the interaction of PHBII's class rebuilding rules with gestalt. As written, you could lose one side's classes and use the other side's classes to meet the prereqs.)
Sounds good to me.
And now shoving eight levels of Bone Knight on the second side sounds awesome.
Mystic Ranger 1 / Dread Necromancer 8 // Bone Knight 6 / Feat-Adaption Uncanny Trickster(bone knight) 3 would actually lose a CL but heck you get three defense/mobility feats and Bone's 8th level list of immunities.
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Re: [Interest Check] 3.5. Warfare, leadership and world-saving
« Reply #106 on: March 13, 2017, 02:10:46 AM »
Updated build... if anyone cares ;)
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Re: [Interest Check] 3.5. Warfare, leadership and world-saving
« Reply #107 on: March 13, 2017, 01:15:02 PM »
ok, one or two things to run through atm.

1. Do we have the ability to select the same homebrew piece as someone else for our 1 item?

2. The PF feat Master Craftsman, would this be permitted (I know you keep chatting about my Warlock Cohort and crafting, but that only kicks in at Warlock...12. Imbue Item won't be in play for a while unless I missed a trick)

I'll likely have other points later, but those are the foremost of the things I need Yes/No answers to so I can get more work done.

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Re: [Interest Check] 3.5. Warfare, leadership and world-saving
« Reply #108 on: March 13, 2017, 04:04:29 PM »
I keep forgetting Imbue is such a high level ability... hm. Shrug. I guess someone will have to build an actual crafter if you want those discounts.

Yeah, you can totally select the same homebrew as someone else.
Master Craftsman is fine. If you're doing this for faster crafting, you might also consider Craft Expertise from Dragon 339, p34.
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« Reply #109 on: March 13, 2017, 04:46:43 PM »
I'll likely have other points later, but those are the foremost of the things I need Yes/No answers to so I can get more work done.

Remembered one point that had occupied my thoughts.

Normally you can Rage only once per encounter.

As a Dvati I have two bodies, would I still be limited to once per encounter as a whole, or would each body be capable of doing so once?

Or would rage affect both of me at the same time? (interesting thought)
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Re: [Interest Check] 3.5. Warfare, leadership and world-saving
« Reply #110 on: March 13, 2017, 05:00:24 PM »
Ugh. My brain, Rek. That's not even nice.

I don't know on this one. I'd love to get some input on the options, here.
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Re: [Interest Check] 3.5. Warfare, leadership and world-saving
« Reply #111 on: March 13, 2017, 05:00:50 PM »
I guess someone will have to build an actual crafter if you want those discounts.
Possibly. However, one could also just say they used to have a crafter, then later dismissed the crafter and found a different follower in its place. It depends on whether we want a crafter coming with us to this campaign.
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Re: [Interest Check] 3.5. Warfare, leadership and world-saving
« Reply #112 on: March 13, 2017, 05:17:08 PM »
It depends on whether we want a crafter coming with us to this campaign.

Despite this, the PCs will be isolated for most of the campaign,

It might not be a bad idea to have one. I think that it depends on how much downtime we get while isolated.
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Re: [Interest Check] 3.5. Warfare, leadership and world-saving
« Reply #113 on: March 13, 2017, 05:30:27 PM »
Moved to a separate post, on the topic of Dvati Rage, I quote:

Quote from: Dragon Magazine Compendium
A pair of dvati twins shares all class abilities and spells slots between them. For example, a 3rd-level dvati bard can use bardic music three times per day in total, not three times for each twin. Personal spells (those with a target of "you") affect both twins as long as they are on the same plane. Otherwise, they affect only the caster. Other spells function as normal. For example, a touch spell normally affects only the specific twin touched. The spell conductor ability (detailed below) allows the dvati to share some spells.

A mind-affecting ability or spell that affects one twin affects both of them. If a single such ability targets both twins at the same time, they make only one save between them. Dvati twins share one mind.

Rage is a class ability, and like other class abilities its uses (including uses per encounter) would be shared between the Dvati. However, Rage grants morale bonuses, and thus is mind-affecting.
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Immunity to all mind-affecting effects (charms, compulsions, phantasms, patterns, and morale effects).

Therefore, the Dvati can only rage once per encounter, but when one dvati twin rages, both of them do.

Related to this, I recommend that all bards in our undead-heavy army take the Requiem feat, because otherwise a lot of their spells and music abilities will not work on our troops.

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Re: [Interest Check] 3.5. Warfare, leadership and world-saving
« Reply #114 on: March 13, 2017, 07:39:29 PM »
Hopefully I can squeeze in requiem. My cohort is going to be a bard/warlock and at least have craft arms and armor

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« Reply #115 on: March 13, 2017, 09:29:01 PM »
Hopefully I can squeeze in requiem. My cohort is going to be a bard/warlock and at least have craft arms and armor

That cohort setup seems familiar......

*looks at half built cohort*

hmm, yeah...I guess that'll point me to Craft Wondrous instead.
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Re: [Interest Check] 3.5. Warfare, leadership and world-saving
« Reply #116 on: March 13, 2017, 10:34:07 PM »
I won't be starting with one, but I can earmark the first dragon we kill for you. :D

I'm not a big fan of dragons, and they won't be featuring much at all in this campaign. There will be at least one, but I'm not sure if it's something you'll want to fight. Maybe more like... avoid.

Edit: I see you, Chemus. Postin.
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Re: [Interest Check] 3.5. Warfare, leadership and world-saving
« Reply #117 on: March 13, 2017, 11:50:58 PM »
Hopefully I can squeeze in requiem. My cohort is going to be a bard/warlock and at least have craft arms and armor

That cohort setup seems familiar......

*looks at half built cohort*

hmm, yeah...I guess that'll point me to Craft Wondrous instead.

Oh are you making a bard with requiem? Cause that's save me some space as I was only doing it for vlad's sake  :lmao

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Re: [Interest Check] 3.5. Warfare, leadership and world-saving
« Reply #118 on: March 14, 2017, 12:37:05 AM »
Uhm, since I have a... few... Cohorts, perhaps one could be a Warlock//Chameleon. Too bad artificer is (correctly) considered too high tier... Anyone else note how expensive the Chameleon's Spellbook would have to be? 100gp x Spell Level, with no free spells gained.

Due to crafting costs, if all the encounters are Exactly level appropriate, the crafting cohort will be hard pressed to catch up, since they get a portion of your XP rather than more when they're lower.

Dark Craft (Sacrifice) or distilled joy/liquid pain or whatever might be useful there. Distilled joy is Joy 3, Sor/Wiz 3, whereas liquid pain is Pain 4, Sor/Wiz 4. Just have to figure a way to accelerate the casting of distilled joy...

If the casting time of 1 day counts as 'casting time measured in hours (24h)' then Arcane Thesis + Rapid Spell would reduce the casting time to 1 hour. Otherwise a 4kGP item takes 84 days to create using distilled joy in place of XP, rather than 4 days. That's still 20 castings per 1kgp, if no crafting reducers (Legendary Artisan, Master Artisan) are used.

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In fact, this build eats not 1 but 3 of my Charging cohorts (6th and 2 4ths), and about 150 followers (144 mooks and 6 5th+ Chargers), as there's no room for Leadership and Undead Leadership.

Not complaining, but checking if this trade-off valuable to the Army we're raising. I strongly suspect it is.
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Re: [Interest Check] 3.5. Warfare, leadership and world-saving
« Reply #119 on: March 14, 2017, 02:56:31 AM »
I don't know how to judge it sorry -_-'

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I've gotten to the point of browsing spells for my Cohort's bard side atm. I may edit this before you respond. I'm exhausting D&D sources for interesting stuff before browsing Pathfinder >> Yes, whatever is linked below is me asking for a PF spell...

0th Level Signal
2nd Level Lay of the Land
3rd Level Arcane Concordance

That is all please & thank you~

Edit: Hmm, not counting a few more spells (above), yay I finished my cohort. With a very appropriate spell selection for largescale war :p
God damn is he both squishy and easy to hit...
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