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3.5 Forms for Alter Self
« on: January 13, 2012, 10:34:36 PM »
Uses of Alter Self: (discussion thread here)
Mobility: Pick a few forms that can fly, swim, and burrow. I think you'd get a climb speed also, which can be handy.

Combat: High natural armor class, and natural attacks. Mobility can be helpful here also.

Utility: Many creatures have high racial bonuses to skills, and/or racial bonus feats. Telling whether something is a racial bonus feat or not can be tricky. If it has a (B) next to it in the feats section, it definitely is. Otherwise, if the creature's description doesn't say that it is, it probably isn't. All creatures get feats every three levels, and at first level, and you don't get those from the spell. I think disguising yourself as a member of another race, or an individual, also falls under this, but I guess it could be its own category.

If you submit something to be added to the list, please list the HD of the creature, the Type of the creature, benefits it offers, and what book or resource it is from.

Just so we are all clear on what exactly you can get from the spell, here is an excerpt from its description in the SRD. Pay special attention to the parts I've underlined.
 
Here is the compiled list so far, taken from lists by Lilt, Schulerta, ErikPSO, SouthernSkies, and various other sources. Dpskane is in the process of adding a column to it that indicates whether the form would be capable of using Verbal and/or Somatic components. Feel free to look over the list, and check to make sure it is correct, because I don't own all of the books used as sources in it.

Humanoids from the SRD:
 
Code: [Select]
[b]Name Source Cast NA Size Movement Skill/feat bonuses[/b]
Bugbear MM p29 V/S 3 M 30ft +4 Move Silently
Dwarf PHB 14 V/S - M 20ft (no encumbrance) +2 to Craft (Stone or Metal),
+2 to Search (Stonework)
Duergar MM 92 V/S - M 20ft (no encumbrance) +4 Move Silently, +1 Listen and Spot
Elf PHB 15 V/S - M 30ft +2 Listen, +2 Search, +2 Spot
Half-Elf PHB 18 V/S - M 30ft +1 Listen, +1 Search, +1 Spot,
+2 Diplomacy and Gather Information
Aquatic Elf MM 103 V/S - M 30ft, 40ft Swim +2 Listen, +2 Search, +2 Spot
Drow Elf MM 103 V/S - M 30ft +2 Listen, +2 Search, +2 Spot (Looks cool)
Githyanki MM 127 V/S - M 30ft
Githzerai MM 129 V/S - M 30ft
Gnoll MM 130 V/S 1 M 30ft
Gnome PHB 16 V/S - S 20ft +2 Listen, +2 Craft (Alchemy)
Forest Gnome MM ?    V/S    - S 20ft As gnome, and +4 Hide (+8 Forests)
Goblin MM 133 V/S - S 30ft +4 Move Silently, +4 Ride
Halfling PHB 19 V/S - S 20ft +2 Climb, +2 Listen,
+2 Jump, +2 Move Silently
Hobgoblin      MM 153 V/S - M 30ft +4 Move Silently
Kobold MM 161 V/S 1 S 30ft +2 Craft (Trapmaking), +2 Search,
+2 Profession (Miner)
Lizardfolk MM 169 V/S 5 M 30ft +4 Balance, +4 Jump, +4 Swim,
Claw and Bite attacks (1d4 each)
Locathah MM 169 V/S 3 M 10ft, 60ft Swim +8 Swim (take 10)
Merfolk        MM 185 V/S - M 5ft, 50ft Swim +8 Swim (take 10)
Orc            MM 203 V/S - M 30ft
Troglodyte MM 246 V/S 6 M 30ft +4 Hide (+8 underground), Multiattack,
Claw and Bite attacks (1d4 each)
 
Other Humanoids:
 
Code: [Select]
[b]Name Source Cast NA Size Movement Skill/feat bonuses[/b]
Skulk FF 154 V/S - M 30ft +8 to Move Silently, +15 to Hide
(only if wearing light/no armor)
Svirfneblin MM 132 V/S - S 20ft +2 Search (Stonework), +2 Craft (alchemy),
+2 Listen, +2 Hide (+4 underground)
Tallfellow Halfling MM 149 V/S - S 20ft +2 Search, +2 Spot, +2 Listen
Deep Halfling MM 150 V/S - S 20ft +2 to Craft (Stone or Metal), 
+2 to Search (Stonework), +2 Listen
Phaerlock UD 97 V/S 7 M 30ft +4 balance, +4 Jump, +4 Swim, Multiattack,
Claws and Bite attacks (1d4 each)
Crucian MH 59 V/S 8 M 20ft Iron Will, Weapon Focus (Warhammer)
Catfolk MH 56 V/S 1 M 40ft +2 Listen, +2 Move Silently
Dark Creeper FF 38 V/S 1 S 30ft +8 Hide, +4 MS in Shadows
Dark Stalker FF 38 V/S 2 M 30ft same as above
Mongrelfolk FF 125 V/S - M 30ft Endurance, +8 Hide, +8 Sleight of Hand
Asabi MoF 15 V/S 2 M 50ft, 20ft Burrow Bite attack(1d4), Combat Reflexes,
Jump Lengths Increased
Bullywug MoF 25 S 3 M 20ft, 30ft Swim Endurance, +6 Hide (Marshes)
Gibberling MoF 52 V?/S 1 S 30ft Bite (1d3), Weapon Focus (Bite)
Shalarin MoF 76 V/S - M 40ft Swim Weapon Focus (Trident)
Siv MoF 78 V/S 2 M 40ft, 20ft Swim Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Siangham)
Arctic Dwarf RoF 9 V/S - S 20ft (no encumbrance) +2 to Craft (Stone or Metal),
+2 to Search (Stonework)
Urdunnir Dwarf RoF 22 V/S - M 20ft (no encumbrance) +2 to Craft (Stone or Metal),
+2 to Search (Stonework)
Wild Dwarf RoF 24 V/S - S 20ft (no encumbrance) +2 to Craft (Stone or Metal),
+2 to Search (Stonework)
Avarial RoF 31 V/S - M 30ft, 50ft Fly +4 Spot, +4 Jump, , +2 Listen, +2 Search
Grey Orc RoF 65 V/S - M 40ft
Orog (Deep Orc) RoF 71 V/S 2 M 30ft +2 Craft (Armorsmithing and Weaponsmithing)
Spirit Folk, River UE 14 V/S - M 30ft, 30ft Swim +8 Swim (Take 10)
Spirit Folk, Mountain UE 13 V/S - M 30ft, 30ft Climb +2 Balance, +2 Jump,
+2 Tumble, +8 Climb (Take 10)
Tren SK 87 V/S M 30ft, 40ft Swim +4 Hide (+8 in rocky/subterranean),
2xclaw (1d4), 1xbite (1d4), Multiattack
Varag MM4 168 S 3 M 60ft Run and Spring Attack bonus feats





Southernskies compiled a couple of lists of Magical Beasts with under 5 HD for use on familiars and other companions via the Share Spells ability.

The Sage recently said that familiars can only take the forms of animals using Alter Self (via Share Spells). He is obviously wrong. If you want to know why, look near the bottom of Page 2 of this thread. Southernskies lays it out well there.

Alter Self: Magical Beast Forms for your (Diminutive or Tiny) Familiar
 
-Cockatrice; Small; Fly 60 ft (poor); Bite (1d4)
-Darkmantle; Small; Fly 30 ft (poor); +6 natural;
slam (1d4); No skill bonus as doesn’t get Blindsight
-Shocker Lizard; Small; 40 ft, climb 20 ft, swim 20 ft;
+3 natural; +4 Hide, +2 Listen, +2 Spot, +8 climb (take 10),
+8 swim (take 10); bite (1d4)
-Stirge; Tiny; 10 ft, fly 40 ft (average); Weapon Finesse;
 
Alter Self: Magical Beast Forms for your Improved Familiar or for Larger Masters.
Also usable with "Improved Familiar, Onara" from "Players Guide to Arcanis" (which has Light Warhorse @ CL5th and Heavy Warhorse @ CL7th) (These could also be useful for a Palladin or Blackguard with Sorcerer levels, etc)
 
-Aranea (Shapechanger); Medium; Climb 25’; +1 natural;
+2 Jump, +2 Listen, +2 Spot, +8 Climb (take 10); Bite (1d6)
-Blink Dog; Medium; +3 natural; (Bite 1d6)
-Eagle, Giant; Large; Fly 80 ft (average); +3 natural;
+4 Spot; 2 Claws (1d6) and bite (1d8); speech
-Ethereal Marauder (Extraplanar); Medium; +3 natural;
+2 Listen, +2 Move Silently, +2 Spot; Bite (1d6)
-Hippogriff; Large; 50 ft, Fly 100 ft (average); +4 natural;
+4 Spot; 2 claws (1d4) and bite (1d8)
-Hydra (5 headed); Huge; Swim 20 ft; +6 natural; +2 Spot,
+2 Listen, +8 Swim (take 10), Combat Reflexes (all heads); 5 bites (1d10)
-Krenshar; Medium; 40 ft; +3 natural; +4 Jump, +4 Move Silently, Track;
-Owl, Giant; Large; 10 ft, Fly 70 ft (average); +3 natural;
+8 Listen, +4 Spot, +8 Move Silently when flying; 2 Claws (1d6) and bite (1d8); speech
-Owlbear; Large; +5 natural; 2 claws (1d6) and bite (1d8)
-Pegasus; Large; 60 ft, fly 120 ft (average); +3 natural;
+4 Listen, +4 Spot; 2 hooves (1d6) and bite (1d4)
-Phase Spider; Large; 40 ft, climb 20 ft; +3 natural; +8 climb (take 10); bite (1d6)
-Spider Eater; Large; Fly 60 ft (good); +4 natural; +4 Listen, +4 Spot; Sting (1d8)
-Unicorn; Large; 60 ft; +6 natural; +4 Move Silently; horn (1d8) and 2 hooves (1d4)
-Worg; Medium; 50 ft; +2 natural; +1 Listen, +1 Move Silently, +1 Spot, +2 Hide; bite (1d6)

More ideas for Improved Familiar forms by RuneLordAsmodeus can be found here.

Books: Monster Manual (MM), Monster Manual 2 (MM2), Monster Manual 3 (MM3), Monster Manual 4 (MM4), Races of Faerun (RoF), Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting (FR), Unapproachable East (UE), Fiend Folio (FF), Underdark (UD), Miniatures Handbook (MH), Manual of the Planes (MoP), Monsters of Faerun (MnF), Lords of Madness (LoM), Sandstorm (SS).
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Re: 3.5 Forms for Alter Self
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2012, 10:35:05 PM »
Quote from: RuneLordAsmodeus
First time posting anything but had an idea I thought I might share!
Alter Self and Improved Familiar Feat – New possibilites for varying types of altered creatures.

As we all know Alter Self also can affect your familiar which can change into a creature of its own type but must remain within a HD limit (which is the caster level of the Wizard (Max 5)) and must remain within one size category of its original size.
However as I will show below with the Improved Familiar feat the type of creature is not restricted to Magical Beast as is the case with normal familiars:

"Quoted from previous post: http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=193357
Shows lists of Improved Familiar (CW: Guardian Familiars) (FRCS) (RoF) (SK) (T&B)
Quote:
beholderkin (eyeball), blade guardian, blink dog, cat (tressym), deathfang, flying snake, formian worker, gauntlet guardian, hell hound, hippogriff, howler, imp, jaculi, krenshar, lizard (spitting crawler), lynx, mlarraun, muckdweller, snake (deathfang, flying, glacier, tree python, whipsnake), nighthunter bat, osquip, pseudodragon, quasit, shocker lizard, spark guardian, stirge, winter wolf, worg"

I have put them in table form showing Book and Page but more importantly type. Used the Monster Index on the Wizards website for details: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/lists/monsters

  • Name.....................Book........Page.......Type
  • Beholderkin, Eyeball..Mon.........23..........Aberration, Tiny   
  • Blade Guardian.........CW.........120.........Construct, Medium   
  • Blink Dog................MM..........28..........Magical Beast, Medium   
  • Tressym.................LE...........191.........Magical Beast, Tiny   
  • Deathfang...............Rac.........175........Undead, Small   
  • Snake, Flying...........Rac.........177........Magical Beast, Small   
  • Formian Worker........MM.........109........Outsider, Small
  • Gauntlet Guardian.....CW.........120........Construct, Small   
  • Hell Hound..............MM..........151........Outsider, Medium
  • Hippogriff................MM.........152.........Magical Beast, Large   
  • Howler...................MM..........154........Outsider, Large
  • Imp (Devil).............MM...........56.........Outsider, Tiny
  • Jaculi....................SK............66.........Magical Beast, Medium   
  • Krenshar................MM..........163........Magical Beast, Medium   
  • Spitting Crawler......FRCS........308........Animal, Tiny   
  • Lynx.....................Rac..........174........Animal, Small   
  • Mlarraun.................SK...........70.........Magical Beast, Medium   
  • Muckdweller............SK...........71.........Monstrous Humanoid, Tiny   
  • Deathfang..............Rac.........175........Undead, Small   
  • Snake, Glacier.........SK............84........Animal, Medium   
  • Tree Python...........SK............86.........Magical Beast, Medium   
  • Whipsnake..............SK...........87.........Animal, Medium   
  • Osquip...................Rac.........176........Magical Beast, Small   
  • Pseudodragon.........MM..........210........Dragon, Tiny   
  • Quasit (Demon).......MM..........46.........Outsider, Tiny
  • Shocker Lizard.........MM.........224........Magical Beast, Small   
  • Spark Guardian........CW..........119........Construct, Tiny   
  • Stirge....................MM..........236........Magical Beast, Tiny   
  • Winter Wolf............MM..........256.........Magical Beast, Large
  • Worg.....................MM..........256........Magical Beast, Medium   
(Important feature highlighted in red)
Mon = Monster Compendium: Monsters of Faerûn, CW = Complete Warrior, MM = Monster Manual v.3.5, LE = Lost Empires of Faerûn, Rac = Races of Faerûn, SK = Serpent Kingdoms, FRCS = Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting.

Plus a personal favourite of mine from Shining South that was not included in the above. It is sentient (Int 12), can speak common and has true seeing at will!! This means it can tell its master about any illusions/hidden dangers ect/invisible/ethereal people etc the list goes on…

Beguiler.....................ShS............60..........Magical Beast, Small   

The most important thing I wish to bring to light is that on the above list there are creatures of the abberation, construct, dragon, monstrous humanoid, outsider and undead types.
And these familiars can transform into any creature of there own type (within a size category either way) upto the maximum caster level of the wizard who cast alter self (Max 5HD).
The challenge is can any one come up with a overpowered creature of the expressed types within the capacity of alter self? This allows the Improved Familiar feat even more depth (abuse LOL) when used with alter self?
Quote from: Lilt
Some Dragon-typed forms:
Crested Felldrake (MM2), 2HD, 4 NA, s, 40ft, Bite (1d8)
Spitting Felldrake (MM2), 3HD, 4 NA, m, 30ft, Bite (1d6)
Fang Dragon (MoF), 3HD, 2 NA, t, 60 + Fly 90 (Average) Trip*
Horned Felldrake (MM2), 4HD, 7 NA, m, 30ft, Horn (2d6), Charge* (4d6+2*Strength)
Wyrmling Ethereal Dragon (Drac), 4HD, 3 NA, t, 60 + Fly 60 (poor)
Wyrmling Shadow Dragon (Drac), 4HD, 7 NA, t, 80 (Capped at 60) + Fly 150 (Capped at 120) (Average)
Wyrmling Battle Dragon (Drac), 5HD, 5NA, t, 40, Fly 100 (average)
The above come with 2 claws and a bite for 1d3 and 1d4 respectively.
Wyrmling Styx Dragon (Drac), 5HD, 4 NA, s, 60ft + Swim 60ft + Burrow 20ft, 2 Tail Blades (1d6) + Bite (1d6), Improved Grab* Constrict* (For 2*Tail Blade Damage)
Portal Drake (Underdark), 5HD, 4 NA, s, 40ft + Burrow 20ft + Fly 90 (Average), Bite (1d6) + 2 Claws (1d4), +4 Hide and Move Silently
Wyrmling Crystal Dragon (MM2), 5HD, 4 NA, s, 40ft + Fly 100ft (average) + Burrow 5ft + Swim 40ft
Wyrmling Sapphire Dragon (MM2), 5HD, 3 NA, t, 40ft + Fly 100ft (average) + Burrow 15ft + Swim 10ft

Sources:
BoED = Book of Exalted Heeds
Drac = Draconomicon
FRCS/MoF = Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting or Monsters of Feyrun
MiniHB = Miniatures Handbook
MM2 = Monster Manual 2
PlanarHB = Planar Handbook
Quote from: Lilt
There are a few abberations in the sandstorm and Lords of Madness books that might be worth a mention for any Elans out there. Plus a listing of available abberation forms from the MM turns-up some interesting possible abilities.

Note that LoM makes it clear that the flight of the Spectator and Grell are extraordinary abilities. I may be being slightly generous when listing granted abilities, but it really is hard to discern where abilities inherrent to form start and end.

2HD:
Grick (MM)         4   l   30ft, Climb 20         4 Tentacles (1d4), Bite (1d3), Track feat*, +8 Hide in rocky areas
Skum (MM)         2   m   20ft, Swim 40         2 Claws (1d4), Bite (2d6), 2 Rakes (1d6), +4 Hide, Listen, and Spot underwater, Water Breathing*

3HD:
Carrion Crawler (MM)      6   l   30ft, Climb 15         8 Tentacles (no damage, useful with Chill Touch spell), Bite (1d6)
Choker (MM)         4   s   30ft, Climb 15         10ft reach on 2 tentacles (1d3), Improved Grab*, Constrict*, +4 on Grapple*, Improved initiative bonus feat

4HD:
Choldrith (MoF)         7   l   30, Climb 20         Bite (2d4)
Spectator (LoM)         5   m   5, Fly 20 (Perfect)      Bite (1d6), All-around vision*, Alertness bonus feat*
Gibbering Mouther (MM, LoM)   8   m   10, Swim 20         6 Bites (1d4), Amorphous*, Improved Grab*, Swallow Whole*, Blood Drain*
Etherial Filcher (MM)      3   m   40ft      Bite (1d4), 4 arms, +8 Sleight of Hand, +4 Spot and Listen
Snow Cloak (Frostburn)      5   l   20ft, Fly 60 (average)      Tail Slap, 2 bites, 2 Wing Claws

5HD:
Ettercap (MM)         1   m   30, Climb 30         Bite (1d8) + 2 Claws (1d3), +4 Craft (Trapmaking), Hide, and Spot, +8 Climb
Grell (MM, LoM)         4   m   5, Fly 30 (Perfect)      10 Tentacles (1d4) + Bite (1d6), Expert Grappler (+10)*, Improved Grab*, Constrict(1d6)*, Sightless*, +2 Hide and Move Silently
Harpoon Spider (MM3)      3   l   40, Climb 20         Bite (1d8), 2 Fangs (1d4 + Harpooning), Harpooning*, Spines*, Web Movement*, Improved Trip feat*
Inflateable Horror (Underdark)   8   l   30, Fly 60 (Good)      2 Slams (1d4), Improved Grab*, Attaching Intestines*, Blood drain*
Runehound (MM3)         4   m   50            10ft reach on Bite (2d6), Track feat*
Rust Monster (MM)      5   m   40            Bite (1d3), Probably no Rust ability but could still freak a Frighter out
Neogi(LoM)         3   S   30, Climb 20         Bite (1d4) + 2 Claws (1d3), Dex on Climb & Jump*, Weapon Finesse bonus feat
Saltor (LoM)         2   S   30, Climb 30         Bite (1d6)
Sudtblight (SS)         7   m   30, Burrow 30         Bite (1d8) + 2 Claws (1d3), Sand Dancer bonus feat
I like the idea of Alter Selfing into a Rust monster and having a big bad fighter flee from you :D

Abbreviations:
MM: Monster Manual
MM3: Monster Manual 3
MoF: Monsters of Faerun
LoM: Lords of Madness
SS: Sandstorm
UD: Underdark
Quote from: Lilt
Nice catch. It's note-worthy that the Giant type makes you proficient with all martial weapons as Outsider does. A quick chack gives the following:

Taer (UE), 2HD, 3NA, Medium, 30ft + Climb 30ft, 2 Slams + Bite, +4 hide in snowy conditions
Ogre (MM), 4HD, 5NA, Large, 40ft
Fensir (FF), 4HD, 6NA, Large, 40ft
Ogre Mage (MM), 5HD, 5NA, Large, 40ft
Forest Troll (MM3), 5HD, 5NA, Medium, 30ft + Climb 20ft, 2 Claws + Bite, +2 to Hide (+4 in forest)
Ice Troll (UE), 5HD, 6NA, Large, 30ft, 2 Claws + Bite

Hopefully will find more tomorrow.
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Re: 3.5 Forms for Alter Self
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2012, 10:35:49 PM »
Quote from: Lilt
OK. Here are all of the useful outsider forms I can find to Alter Self into. List is separated by HD and includes NA, Size, Movement Modes, Natural attacks, and other abilities that the form is likely to grant you (probable ones marked with a *).
Outsider Forms:
1 Hit Die
Tiefling (MoF)      0   m   30         +2 Bluff and Hide
Aasimar   (MoF)      0   m   30         +1 Spot and Listen
Bariaurs (PlanarHB)   0   m   40         Powerful Charge*, Quadraped*, +2 Listen and Spot
Neraph (PlanarHB)   2   m   30         Leap* (+5 jump)
Shadowswyft (PlanarHB)   0   m   40         +4 Hide and Move silently
Wildren (PlanarHB)   0   m   20, Burrow 10      2 claws for 1d4, Not slowed by encumberance or armor, Stability*
Fey'ri (MoF)      0   m   30, Fly 40(poor)   +2 Bluff, Hide, Listen, Search and Spot
Earth Gensai (MoF)   2   m   30         
Water Gensai (MoF)   0   m   30, Swim 30      +8 Swim (take 10), Water Breathing*
Bladeling (MM2)      4   m   30         Claw (1d6)

2 Hit Dice
Abyssal Maw (MM2)   5   m   30         Bite (2d8)
Abyssal Skulker (MM2)   2   s   40         2 claws (1d2)
Protectar (MiniHB)   0   m   30, Fly 60(good)   
Azer (MM)      6   m   30         
Bacchae   (FF)      5   m   30         2 Claws (1d4)
Stonechild (MH)      4   m   30         Blind Fight Feat

3 Hit Dice
Bariaur (BoED)      0   l   40         2 Hooves (1d6), Powerful Charge*, Quadraped*, +2 Listen and Spot
Abyssal Ravager (MM2)   4   l   50         Sting (1d4)
Spinagon (MoP)      4   s   Fly 120 (average)   Talons (1d4)
Kalareem (FF)      5   m   30         
Air Mephit (MM)      3   s   30, Fly 60(perf)    2 Claws (1d3)
Dust Mephit (MM)   3    s   30, Fly 50(perf)   2 Claws (1d3)
Earth Mephit (MM)   6   s   30, Fly 40(av)      2 Claws (1d3)
Fire Mephit (MM)   4   s   30, Fly 50(av)      2 Claws (1d3)
Ice Mephit (MM)      4   s   30, Fly 50(perf)   2 Claws (1d3)
Magma Mephit (MM)   4   s   30, Fly 50(av)      2 Claws (1d3)
Ooze Mephit (MM)   5   s   30, Fly 40(av), Swim 30   2 Claws (1d3), +8 Swim (take 10)
Salt Mephit (MM)   6   s   30, Fly 40(av)      2 Claws (1d3)
Steam Mephit (MM)   4   s   30, Fly 50(av)      2 Claws (1d3)
Water Mephit (MM)   5   s   30, Fly 40(av), Swim 30   2 Claws (1d3), +8 swim (take 10)
Ravid (MM p.213),   15    m    20ft, (60ft fly?)    Tail (1D6), Claw(1D4-1)
Juvenile Tojanida (MM)   10   s   10, Swim 60 (Capped)   Bite (2d6), 2 Claws (1d4), Improved Grab*, +8 Swim (take 10), +4 Spot and Search, All Around Vision*
Minor Xorn (MM)      12    s   20, (Burrow 20?)   Bite (2d8), 3 Claws (1d3), +4 to Spot and Search, All Around Vision*

4 Hit Dice
Abyssal Eviscerator(MH) 10   m   30         2 Claws (1d6), Rake (1d6)
Ramadeen (MH)      4   l   40         Powerful Charge Feat*
Cervidal (MM2)      4   m   50         2 Slams (1d6), Butt (1d3), Charge (1d8), +8 Jump
Advespa (MM2)      7    l   30, Fly 40 (good)   4 claws (1d6), Sting (1d4)
Skulvyn   (FF)      6   l   10, Swim 50      Bite (1d8) + 2 claws (1d6) or 4 Lashes (1d4), +8 Swim (take 10), +8 Hide in water, Wounding*
Euphoric Imp (FF)   3   t   20, Fly 50 (perf)   Sting (1d4)
Skeroloth (FF)      6   s   40, Burrow & Climb 20   4 claws (1d3), +4 Hide and Move Silently, +8 climb (take 10)
Abishai, White (MoF)   4   m   30 Fly 40(Poor)      Tail (1d6), 2 claws (1d4), bite (1d6)

5 Hit Dice
Xill (MM)       7    m   40         4 Claws (1d3), Multiattack*, Improved Grab*
Canoloth (MoP)      10   m   50         Tongue (1d4), Bite (2d6), Improved grab*
Armanite (MoP)      6   l   40, fly 40(poor)   2 Hooves (1d6), Charge*
Rhek (BoED)      7   m   30         Gore 1d8, Powerful Charge*, Instant Stability*
Abishai, Black (MoF)   5   m   30, Fly 40(Poor)   Tail (1d6), 2 claws (1d4), bite (1d6)
Dwarf Ancestor (MM4)   18   l   20         Humanoid shaped
Voor (MM4)      6   l   30, 20 climb      +8 climb, +4 listen, 20 foot reach, (rend?)

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There are a few abberations in the sandstorm and Lords of Madness books that might be worth a mention for any Elans out there. Plus a listing of available abberation forms from the MM turns-up some interesting possible abilities.

Note that LoM makes it clear that the flight of the Spectator and Grell are extraordinary abilities. I may be being slightly generous when listing granted abilities, but it really is hard to discern where abilities inherrent to form start and end.

2HD: Grick (MM)         4   l   30ft, Climb 20         4 Tentacles (1d4), Bite (1d3), Track feat*, +8 Hide in rocky areas
Skum (MM)         2   m   20ft, Swim 40         2 Claws (1d4), Bite (2d6), 2 Rakes (1d6), +4 Hide, Listen, and Spot underwater, Water Breathing*

3HD: Carrion Crawler (MM)      6   l   30ft, Climb 15         8 Tentacles (no damage, useful with Chill Touch spell), Bite (1d6)
Choker (MM)         4   s   30ft, Climb 15         10ft reach on 2 tentacles (1d3), Improved Grab*, Constrict*, +4 on Grapple*, Improved initiative bonus feat

4HD: Choldrith (MoF)         7   l   30, Climb 20         Bite (2d4)
Spectator (LoM)         5   m   5, Fly 20 (Perfect)      Bite (1d6), All-around vision*, Alertness bonus feat*
Gibbering Mouther (MM, LoM)   8   m   10, Swim 20         6 Bites (1d4), Amorphous*, Improved Grab*, Swallow Whole*, Blood Drain* Etherial Filcher (MM)      3   m   40ft      Bite (1d4), 4 arms, +8 Sleight of Hand, +4 Spot and Listen
Snow Cloak (Frostburn)      5   l   20ft, Fly 60 (average)      Tail Slap, 2 bites, 2 Wing Claws

5HD: Ettercap (MM)         1   m   30, Climb 30         Bite (1d8) + 2 Claws (1d3), +4 Craft (Trapmaking), Hide, and Spot, +8 Climb
Grell (MM, LoM)         4   m   5, Fly 30 (Perfect)      10 Tentacles (1d4) + Bite (1d6), Expert Grappler (+10)*, Improved Grab*, Constrict(1d6)*, Sightless*, +2 Hide and Move Silently
Harpoon Spider (MM3)      3   l   40, Climb 20         Bite (1d8), 2 Fangs (1d4 + Harpooning), Harpooning*, Spines*, Web Movement*, Improved Trip feat*
Inflateable Horror (Underdark)   8   l   30, Fly 60 (Good)      2 Slams (1d4), Improved Grab*, Attaching Intestines*, Blood drain*
Runehound (MM3)         4   m   50            10ft reach on Bite (2d6), Track feat*
Rust Monster (MM)      5   m   40            Bite (1d3), Probably no Rust ability but could still freak a Frighter out
Neogi(LoM)         3   S   30, Climb 20         Bite (1d4) + 2 Claws (1d3), Dex on Climb & Jump*, Weapon Finesse bonus feat
Saltor (LoM)         2   S   30, Climb 30         Bite (1d6)
Sudtblight (SS)         7   m   30, Burrow 30         Bite (1d8) + 2 Claws (1d3), Sand Dancer bonus feat
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Re: 3.5 Forms for Alter Self
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2012, 10:36:59 PM »
Ok, this was already in the Aberration list, but I just noticed how crazy good the Gibbering Mouther would be as a melee form. +8 natural armor, 6 natural attacks, and four very good Extraordinary Special attacks. You might arguably get the Amorphous quality, also, since it is kind of intrinsic to the form of the monster. This would be super for an Elan Psion/Wizard/Cerebremancer idea that I keep playing around with. (This for combat, then add Metamorphic Transfer + Choker form for extra action goodness occasionally).

Spittle (Ex)

As a free action every round, a gibbering mouther fires a stream of spittle at one opponent within 30 feet. The mouther makes a ranged touch attack; if it hits, it deals 1d4 points of acid damage, and the target must succeed on a DC 18 Fortitude save or be blinded for 1d4 rounds. Eyeless creatures are immune to the blinding effect, but are still subject to the acid damage. The save DC is Constitution-based.

Improved Grab (Ex)

To use this ability, a gibbering mouther must hit with a bite attack. It can then attempt to start a grapple as a free action without provoking an attack of opportunity.

Swallow Whole (Ex)

The gibbering mouther can attempt to swallow a grappled opponent of Medium or smaller size by making a successful grapple check. (The gibbering mouther doesn’t actually “swallow” the opponent—it engulfs it within its amorphous form—but the effect is essentially the same.) Once inside, the gibbering mouther can use its blood drain ability. A swallowed creature can cut its way out by dealing 5 points of damage to the gibbering mouther (same AC).

The gibbering mouther’s body can hold 1 Medium, 2 Small, 8 Tiny, 32 Diminutive, or 128 Fine creatures.

Blood Drain (Ex)

A swallowed opponent automatically takes 1d4 points of Constitution damage each round.
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Re: 3.5 Forms for Alter Self
« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2012, 01:09:47 AM »
Large humanoid forms to add later. (well... maybe not. they were updated to monstrous humanoid in 3.5)

Thanks to Cagemarrow for contributing the following fey and construct forms:
I didn't see a discussion thread for the 3.5 Alter Self forms so thought I'd pass what I made along to you if you'd care to use it.

Fey

HD|Name|Source|Cast|NA|Size|Movement|| Attack, Skills, Feats
1|Duskling|MoI|S, V|0|Medium|30ft|| Simple Weapons
1|Hybsil|MoF|S, V|2|Small|50ft|| Simple Weapons, Shortbow, +4 (Disable Device and Search for Outdoor Traps), +2 Jump, +4 Survival, Mobility
1|Jaebrin Trickster|MM4|S, V|0|Medium|30ft|| Simple Weapons, Rapier, Bite (1d3 + Will Sapper), Will Sapper DC 11 (-4 Will for 1 minute) Con Based, +2 (Appraise, Bluff, Perform, Diplomacy), +4 (Spell Craft vs Enchantment, usable untrained)
1|Killoren|RoW|S, V|Medium|30ft|| Simple Weapons, +2 (Handle Animal, Survival)
1|Nixie|MM|S, V|0|Small|20ft, 30ft swim|| Simple Weapons, +8 Swim (take 10), +5 Hide in Water
1|Pixie|MM|S,V|1|Small|20ft, 60ft fly (Good)|| Simple Weapons, Longbow, Dodge, +2 (Listen, Search, Spot)
1|Uldra|Fr|S, V|0|Small|20ft|| Simple Weapons, Longsword, Shortsword, +2 (Knowledge Nature)
2|Domovoi|Fr|S, V|2|Small| 20ft|| Simple Weapons, 2 Claws (1d3)
2|Rusalka|Fr|S, V|2|Medium| 30ft, 30ft swim||  Simple Weapons, +4 (Escape Artist and Hide in water), + 8 Swim (take 10)
2|Splinterwaif|MM3|S, V|2|Medium|50ft, 50ft climb|| Simple Weapons, 2 Claws (1d4), Sneak Attack 2d6, + 10 Hide, +8 Climb (take 10), Improved Initiative, Weapon Finesse,
3|Nereid|Str|S, V|0|Medium|30ft, 40ft swim|| +8 (Hide in water), + 8 Swim (take 10)
3|Shadar-Kai|FF|S, V|0|Medium|30ft|| Simple Weapons, Spiked Chain, Shortbow, Sneak Attack 1d6, +10 Hide (in Dark or Shadowy Area)
4|Bog Imp|HoH|S, V|2|Small|30ft, 60ft burrow, swim 30ft|| Simple Weapons, 2 Claws (1d3 +Sicken), Sicken (Ex) DC 14 Fort or sickened for 2d4 minutes Con based, +2 (Listen, Search, Spot), +8 (Hide in swamp), +8 Swim (take 10), Ability Focus (?)
4|Dryad|MM|S, V|3|Medium|30 ft|| Simple Weapons, Longbow
4|Shaedling|MM5|S, V|0|Medium|30ft, 60ft fly (Good)|| Simple Weapons, Spiked Chain, Bolas, Shadow Gossamer (Ex) Swift Action create a 15lb object or lighter out of shadow gossamer,  Bonus Feat
4|Sirine|MM2|S, V|0|Medium|30ft, 60ft swim|| Simple Weapons, +8 Swim (take 10), +8 Perform
4|Young Redcap|MM3|S, V|1|Small|30ft| Simple Weapons, Scythe
5|Fossergrim|S, V|0|Medium|30ft, 60ft swim|| Simple Weapons, Battleaxe, Handaxe, Longbow, +8 Swim (take 10)
5|Saytr|MM|S, V|4|Medium|40ft|| Heatbutt (1d6), Simple Weapons, Shortbow, Alertness, + 4 (Hide, Listen, Move Silently, Perform, Spot)
5|Spriggan|FF|S, V|0|Small|20ft|| Simple Weapons, Shortsword, Sneak Attack  3d6, +4 (Climb, Disable Device, Move Silently, Open Lock, Slight of Hand)
5|Vodyanoi|Fr|S, V|4|Medium|30ft, 60ft swim|| Simple Weapons, 2 claws (1d4), Improved Grab, +8 (Hide and Move Silently in water), +8 Swim (take 10)

Warforged

HD|Name|Source|Cast|NA|Size|Movement|| Attack, Skills, Feats
1|Tatterdemanimal|MM2|S, V?|0|small|40 ft, 40 ft fly (clumsy)||
1|Clockroach|MM4|S|0|small| 30 ft, burrow 15 ft, climb 15 ft|| 2 Pincers (1d4), +8 climb, can always take 10
1|Astral Construct I|EPH|S, V|+5|small|30 ft||
1|Animated Object, Small|SRD|v,s|+2|small|30 ft, 40 ft legs, 50 ft multiple legs, 70 ft wheels,  Sheet like can Fly 15ft (poor)|| Slam 1d4
1|Warforged Scout|MM3|S,V|+1|small|20ft||
1|Slinger Scorpion|MMV|no|+15|small|20ft|| Claw Blade (2d8), Hide +8
2|Animated Object, Medium|SRD|v,s|+4|medium|30 ft, 40 ft legs, 50 ft multiple legs, 70 ft wheels,  Sheet like can Fly 15ft (poor)|| Slam 1d6
2|Astral Construct II|EPH|S, V|+6|medium|40 ft||
2|Iron Cobra|FF|no|+3|Medium| 30ft|| +10 Hide & Move Silently| Bite (1d6) + Poison (3 bites, Fort DC 14 1d4/1d4 Str)
2|Guardgoyle|WD|s|+5|Small|20ft, Fly 50ft (good)|| Bite (1d4 ) + Poison Injury or Contact (2 bites, Fort DC 11 + Cha 1d4/1d4 Con), 2 claws (1d3), Weapon Finesse
2|Alchemy Beetle|SoX|No|+4|Small|40ft|| Alchemy bite (1d3 + 1d6 Energy Acid, Fire, Cold, or Elec), Alchemical Blast DC 11 Ref (3d6 Energy) 10ft radius when reduced to 0 HP
2|Packmate|MoE|no|+4|small|30ft|| Slam (1d3)
2|Persistent Harrier|MoE|S,V|+4|small|40ft|| Spikes (1d6), +1d6 Sneak Attack, Jump +7, Tumble +7
2|Maug|FF|S,V|+7|large|50ft (can't run)|| Slam (1d8), Alertness
2|Necrophidius|FF|No|+5|medium|30ft, Climb 10ft|| Bite (1d6), Sneak Attack +2d6, +8 Hide, +8 Move Silently, +8 Climb and can take 10 on Climb
3|Common Raggamoffyn|MM2|S, V?|+5 medium|30 ft, 30 ft fly (clumsy)||
3|Astral Construct III|EPH|S, V|+8 medium|40 ft||
3|Pulverizer|MM2|S, V?|+11|medium 40 ft|| 2 Slams (1d6)
4|Animated Object, Large|SRD|v,s|+5|large|20 ft, 30 ft legs, 40 ft multiple legs, 60 ft wheels,  Sheet like can Fly 10ft (poor)|| Slam 1d8
4|Electrum Horror|MM2|S, V|+7|small|30 ft||
4|Warforged Charger|MM3|S,V|+8|large|30ft|| 2 Slams (1d10), Admantine Body (+8 AC, DR 2/admantine), Powerful Charge
5|Astral Construct IV|EPH|S, V|+10|medium|40 ft|| Fly 40ft (average) or Swim 60ft, Slam (1d6)
5|Dread Guard|MM2|S|0|medium|20 ft (cant run)||
5|Hammerer|MM2|S|+11|medium|20 ft|| Slam (2d8)
5|Iron Defender|ECS|No|+4|small|50ft|| Bite (1d6)
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Re: 3.5 Forms for Alter Self
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2016, 03:59:42 AM »
Wyrmling Mercury Dragon (Dragons of Faerun) is Tiny, has 3HD, 2 natural armor, and a 200' fly (perfect) speed.  A Very Young Mercury Dragon - accessible via Reserves of Strength - has 6HD, 5 natural armor, and a 200' (perfect) fly speed.  These fly speeds are capped at 120' of course.

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Re: 3.5 Forms for Alter Self
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2016, 07:20:17 AM »
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