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Re: Affiliations Discussion
« Reply #100 on: August 15, 2012, 09:13:46 PM »
Sent it you in a PM. It is really rough and rather sprawling. Never got around to finishing the scalethief stuff and a lot of the wording is rather raw.
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Re: Affiliations Discussion
« Reply #101 on: August 15, 2012, 09:20:14 PM »
I can try and help with the Sisterhood. What still needs doing?
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Re: Affiliations Discussion
« Reply #102 on: August 15, 2012, 09:20:56 PM »
I can try and help with the Sisterhood. What still needs doing?

Basically I need suggestions on affiliation score modifiers, and maybe on benefits too.  Lol.

EDIT: Like what Garryl just posted...  haha.  Boz, take a look at one of the other two and see what you can rustle up.
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Re: Affiliations Discussion
« Reply #103 on: August 15, 2012, 09:22:21 PM »
Sisterhood of Silence
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Edit: I've got a PrC to add to your list for House of B&W. Also, I'd remove the penalty for not disbelieving illusions. There are so many likely to be floating around any B&W meeting, everyone involved will be losing points left and right. Even the simulacra. Especially the simulacra.
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Re: Affiliations Discussion
« Reply #104 on: August 15, 2012, 10:58:38 PM »
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Kind of wound up stepping on the toes of the Church itself, really, but oh well. How's this?
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Re: Affiliations Discussion
« Reply #105 on: August 15, 2012, 11:17:54 PM »
It should be fine to step on the church's toes. The two affiliations are intimately connected, much like the PA and the Magi.

This just leaves the Forsaken now, right?

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Re: Affiliations Discussion
« Reply #106 on: August 15, 2012, 11:23:51 PM »
SirP quick question on holding multiple affiliations.  If you are a spy implanted in another organization do you still get minuses for multiple affiliations and for things that you would somewhat obviously not reveal?  Otherwise it seems like some affiliations would mechanically have no way of spying on rival organizations because the negatives would preclude anyone but very high level characters from maintaining positive affiliation scores.

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Re: Affiliations Discussion
« Reply #107 on: August 16, 2012, 08:46:19 AM »
Thank you, Garryl & Boz!  Those two are finished, leaving only the Forsaken.

SirP quick question on holding multiple affiliations.  If you are a spy implanted in another organization do you still get minuses for multiple affiliations and for things that you would somewhat obviously not reveal?  Otherwise it seems like some affiliations would mechanically have no way of spying on rival organizations because the negatives would preclude anyone but very high level characters from maintaining positive affiliation scores.

That... is a good question.  It seems the Affiliation rules weren't built to take into account spies and moles, which is a major oversight I think.  Anyone have a good idea for how to handle this?  I'll post whatever rules we come up with in the homebrew forum, for anyone else who runs into the same issue.
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Re: Affiliations Discussion
« Reply #108 on: August 16, 2012, 08:58:50 AM »
I'd apply the penalties to your original affiliation instead of the new one to determine your benefits while undercover. Can't be seen as having too close a connection to your real friends, right?

Hey, Sirp, why do some affiliations have +2 score for being in at least one of several classes, while others have +1 for each class? I don't care which way you go, but it should be consistent, I think.

Also, there are still several affiliations whose benefits need revising (though you may have done so since I last remember checking). I'll bug you about it later if I remember.
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Re: Affiliations Discussion
« Reply #109 on: August 16, 2012, 09:00:32 AM »
That or make a "virtual" affiliation score for one or the other and make it so you are treated as that rank but don't get the normal benefits from one of your affiliations.

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Re: Affiliations Discussion
« Reply #110 on: August 16, 2012, 12:00:52 PM »
Sisterhood of Silence has 3rd level maneuvers listed twice. Shouldn't one be 5th level maneuvers?

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Re: Affiliations Discussion
« Reply #111 on: August 16, 2012, 12:17:42 PM »
Re: Undercover agents, give the cover identity its own affiliation score. Anything they don't know about the cover identity doesn't produce a penalty, so your Red Lotus affiliation won't trigger a huge penalty unless you haven't done your job properly in the first place.
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Re: Affiliations Discussion
« Reply #112 on: August 16, 2012, 12:19:39 PM »
Re: Undercover agents, give the cover identity its own affiliation score. Anything they don't know about the cover identity doesn't produce a penalty, so your Red Lotus affiliation won't trigger a huge penalty unless you haven't done your job properly in the first place.

Yes, this is basically the virtual score littha suggested.  I like it, let's go with this.
Sisterhood of Silence has 3rd level maneuvers listed twice. Shouldn't one be 5th level maneuvers?
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Re: Affiliations Discussion
« Reply #113 on: August 16, 2012, 12:32:25 PM »
Fallen seems to be lacking something... a score boost off of Bluff, Intimidate, or Knowledge (Planes) perhaps?
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Re: Affiliations Discussion
« Reply #114 on: August 16, 2012, 12:44:32 PM »
Forsaken is done YAYAYAYAYAY

Any final comments before we consider the matter closed?

Sohala, that's good, I'll add it.
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Re: Affiliations Discussion
« Reply #115 on: August 16, 2012, 12:56:25 PM »
The Tomb-Tainted Soul feat chain probably fits Forsaken, and a skill set couldn’t hurt; Knowledge (Religion) for sure, maybe Intimidate as well.

Inverted Pyramid has this line:
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Ability to produce magical effects of two or more different types*
The * doesn't seem to be explained.

Red Lotus is missing PA on its double agent list.
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Re: Affiliations Discussion
« Reply #116 on: August 16, 2012, 02:55:43 PM »
Should there be a double agent list for the Killravens as well?

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Re: Affiliations Discussion
« Reply #117 on: August 16, 2012, 05:04:27 PM »
The Tomb-Tainted Soul feat chain probably fits Forsaken, and a skill set couldn’t hurt; Knowledge (Religion) for sure, maybe Intimidate as well.
I've added those feats, but I'm going to leave out the skills because there are so many feats that can boost your score.

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Inverted Pyramid has this line:
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Ability to produce magical effects of two or more different types*
The * doesn't seem to be explained.
Oops, fixed.

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Red Lotus is missing PA on its double agent list.
Fixed.

Should there be a double agent list for the Killravens as well?
Nah.  Doesn't fit as well.
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Re: Affiliations Discussion
« Reply #118 on: August 16, 2012, 09:28:00 PM »
I'm thinking of joining the Sisterhood, but having that mainly be as a cover for the Red Lotus. I think that would fit my character pretty well. Sure, an undercover agent is probably more valuable in one of the former organizations, but one in the latter will likely draw less attention, and still be able to get into places without drawing suspicion, etc. At least... that's my thinking... Still debating.
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Re: Affiliations Discussion
« Reply #119 on: August 19, 2012, 02:35:01 PM »
Just a question about the Brotherhood of redemption - would levels in various celestials count as a boon class towards that too?