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sirpercival · « **Reply #60 on:** August 19, 2012, 06:58:59 PM »

Quote from: littha on August 19, 2012, 06:51:47 PM

Thank's muchly, It looks (and reads) so much better with proper formatting.
Why did you go with the scales ability not adding energy resistance though? intrigued

I didn't want the dragon versions of the classes to be flat-out superior than the original versions, so I tried to put in a few balancing things.

littha · « **Reply #61 on:** August 19, 2012, 07:08:38 PM »

The balancing point I was intending was that you already had to have most of the abilities anyway which necessitates investing a pile of HD into either a racial class or HD/LA. Basically the view that enhancing existing abilities was less powerful than granting whole new ones. I can see where you are coming from though.

sirpercival · « **Reply #62 on:** August 19, 2012, 07:10:43 PM »

Quote from: littha on August 19, 2012, 07:08:38 PM

The balancing point I was intending was that you already had to have most of the abilities anyway which necessitates investing a pile of HD into either a racial class or HD/LA. Basically the view that enhancing existing abilities was less powerful than granting whole new ones. I can see where you are coming from though.

Hmm... that's definitely true to an extent, but the racial abilities tend to be better than the class-granted ones, IMO.

littha · « **Reply #63 on:** August 19, 2012, 07:23:04 PM »

True enough, dragons have some nasty racial abilities. I had intended for a dragon to have stronger powers but a narrower focus (that was what the whole personal ideal thing was for) but it ended up being more of a bonus than a penalty, They generally are down a class skill though

The only point I can think of where an ideallist will be better than a true dragon is the manoeuvrability of their flight as most dragons are stuck at poor.

Possibly drop dual ideal to 20th level on the wyrm warrior for a true dragon to account for the personal ideal if you wanted to knock their power down a bit.

littha · « **Reply #64 on:** August 20, 2012, 07:08:35 AM »

We seem to have lost the formula for save DCs on ideal powers.

sirpercival · « **Reply #65 on:** August 20, 2012, 08:35:17 AM »

Quote from: littha on August 19, 2012, 07:23:04 PM

True enough, dragons have some nasty racial abilities. I had intended for a dragon to have stronger powers but a narrower focus (that was what the whole personal ideal thing was for) but it ended up being more of a bonus than a penalty, They generally are down a class skill though

Better to say that one of their class skills would likely have been redundant...

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The only point I can think of where an ideallist will be better than a true dragon is the manoeuvrability of their flight as most dragons are stuck at poor.

That's true, but at least it bumps them to average.

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Possibly drop dual ideal to 20th level on the wyrm warrior for a true dragon to account for the personal ideal if you wanted to knock their power down a bit.

That's actually a very good idea. I'll do so.

EDIT: On second thought, no, I'm going to leave it. Having an extra ideal adds more versatility, but not a lot more power. It's basically one extra readied maneuver, which is worth a feat.

Quote from: littha on August 20, 2012, 07:08:35 AM

We seem to have lost the formula for save DCs on ideal powers.

Oops! I shall fix.

Garryl · « **Reply #66 on:** August 20, 2012, 08:42:32 AM »

Most ideals have a number of useful passive abilities, too. Don't discount them.

sirpercival · « **Reply #67 on:** August 20, 2012, 08:54:56 AM »

Quote from: Garryl on August 20, 2012, 08:42:32 AM

Most ideals have a number of useful passive abilities, too. Don't discount them.

Yeah, but a lot of that is going to be redundant with what they already get from being that kind of dragon.

littha · « **Reply #68 on:** August 20, 2012, 05:21:24 PM »

If you stop expressing an ideal that is using the Child of Eberron archetype you lose your companion which is really strange. You could lose and regain it from day to day.

I would either have a companion as a requirement of the archetype or put some fluff along the lines of the creature springing from your body as part of the expression of the ideal. That way it isn't an unnaturally picky animal but is instead an expression of your ties to nature.

sirpercival · « **Reply #69 on:** August 20, 2012, 05:23:58 PM »

Quote from: littha on August 20, 2012, 05:21:24 PM

If you stop expressing an ideal that is using the Child of Eberron archetype you lose your companion which is really strange. You could lose and regain it from day to day.

I would either have a companion as a requirement of the archetype or put some fluff along the lines of the creature springing from your body as part of the expression of the ideal. That way it isn't an unnaturally picky animal but is instead an expression of your ties to nature.

The archetypes will need to be edited along with the rest of the Ideals...

littha · « **Reply #70 on:** August 28, 2012, 03:09:17 PM »

Possible other epic ideals are platinum and chromatic which are the types of Tiamat and Bahamut.

sirpercival · « **Reply #71 on:** September 12, 2012, 06:46:57 PM »

OK, so one of the reasons I've been avoiding working on this is that coming up with the Scalethief stuff along with the Ideal Powers and the Dragonmage spell list just seemed like too much. So I think I'm going to rework the Scalethief slightly, so that Scaletheft actually just wild shapes them into a dragon (essentially). So they give up their normal Ideal abilities while scalethieving, and instead get to walk around as a dragon for a little while. That way I don't have to write any new scaletheft abilities for the individual Ideals, lol.

Does anyone foresee problems with this?

sirpercival · « **Reply #72 on:** September 12, 2012, 08:48:50 PM »

Chromatic Ideals are officially done, barring edits due to critiques.

Garryl · « **Reply #73 on:** September 12, 2012, 09:09:29 PM »

Typo in White IV: "pend" a use of your ideal powers. Also, I see you're moving from roman numerals over to the dragon ages within the ability descriptions themselves? About time.

Garryl · « **Reply #74 on:** September 12, 2012, 09:17:38 PM »

Gold is done, working on some of the other metallics from time to time.

Quote from: Garryl on August 07, 2012, 08:49:23 PM

Copying over my working notes so they aren't lost.

I'm not doing the exotic weapons. Those, I leave to you, Sirpercival.

Metallic
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Brass Dragon
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Curiosity and conversational, warm desert, Fire

Energy Type: Fire
Discipline:
Skills: Bluff, Gather Information
Exotic Weapons:

1 - Speak with animals.
2 - Spend an ideal power to turn your breath weapon into sleep gas. Deals minimum damage as nonlethal damage, and also requires a Will save or fall asleep (as Sleep, but not mind-affecting compulsion) for 1 round per 2 dice of damage dealt.
3 -
4 -
5 -

Bronze Dragon
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temperate hills, Water
Streams and rivers? Likes animals.
Electricity/Repulsion gas

Energy Type: Electricity
Discipline:
Skills: Disguise, Survival
Exotic Weapons:

1 - Speak With Animals at will.
2 -
3 - Spend an ideal power to use Summon Nature's Ally (animals only). But how to determine the level?
4 -
5 -

Copper Dragon
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Warm hills, Earth
Big sense of humor. Earth manipulator.
Acid/Slow gas

Energy Type: Acid
Discipline:
Skills: Hide, Jump
Exotic Weapons:

1 - Spend an ideal power to use Tasha's Hideous Laughter.
2 - Spend an ideal power to turn your breath weapon into slow gas. Deals nonlethal damage, and also requires a Will save or be slowed (as Slow) for 1 round per 2 dice of damage dealt.
3 - Burrow speed (1/2 land speed)
4 -
5 -

Gold Dragon
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Warm plains, Fire
Luck, gems, sun, destiny
Fire/Weakening gas (Str damage)

Energy Type: Fire
Discipline: Phoenix Tear
Skills: Disguise, Heal
Exotic Weapons:

1 - Spend an ideal power to infuse a gem worth at least 50g with the power of good fortune. Whoever holds it can discharge the effect as a standard action to gain the benefits of Improvisation. After being used or after 24 hours, the gem returns to normal.
2 - Instead of dealing damage, you can cause your breath weapon to deal 1 Strength damage per two dice of damage normally dealt (Fort negates).
3 - If you infuse a gem worth at least 250g, the gem can instead grant the effect of Recitation.
4 - Use the Holy Radiance invocation.
5 - If you infuse a gem worth at least 1250g, but no more than once per day, the gem can instead grant the effect of Choose Destiny.

Silver Dragon
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Temperate mountains, Cold
Air, sky, clouds, high altitude
Cold/Paralysis gas

Energy Type: Cold
Discipline:
Skills: Bluff, Jump
Exotic Weapons:

1 -
2 -
3 - Spend an ideal power to use Air Walk.
4 -
5 -

phaedrusxy · « **Reply #75 on:** October 09, 2012, 11:37:41 PM »

The Styx Dragon Ideal discipline link gave me this warning:

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sirpercival · « **Reply #76 on:** October 10, 2012, 06:47:24 AM »

Quote from: phaedrusxy on October 09, 2012, 11:37:41 PM

The Styx Dragon Ideal discipline link gave me this warning:

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This web page at sorcererstudios.com has been reported as an attack page and has been blocked based on your security preferences.

That's upsetting... can you use Maula Kae instead for now?

sirpercival · « **Reply #77 on:** October 16, 2012, 12:48:59 PM »

Brainstorming time: Dragonborn Wyrm Warrior racial subs, go!

phaedrusxy · « **Reply #78 on:** October 16, 2012, 12:53:06 PM »

Quote from: sirpercival on October 16, 2012, 12:48:59 PM

Brainstorming time: Dragonborn Wyrm Warrior racial subs, go!

No idea, but Legion is very interested in what you come up with!

littha · « **Reply #79 on:** October 16, 2012, 03:01:21 PM »

Perhaps a selection of some of the true dragon stuff? Or the ability to get all of the dragonborn aspects (Heart, Wings and Mind)

Perhaps a mix of both, certainy some sort of enhancement to the breath weapon makes sense.

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