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Re: [3.P] Who wants to be cursed and hopeless?
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2014, 10:08:18 AM »
Yeah.... custom races. (Gonna slip into Paizo Apologist mode here, I've been playing PFS in all my live games for two years now, all my local groups who are tolerable play PF and not 3.5). To be fair, its intended almost entirely as a GM tool, not a player tool. At best, a player should carefully coordinate with a GM before developing their own race. Its kind of in the same conceptual/design space as weapons of legacy. Also, races in general have gotten a power up over 3.5, it would make sense that a +1 LA race aught to be significantly better than that +1 LA is in 3.5.

And Kitsune. Yeah. At least it means that catfolk get less hate.

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Re: [3.P] Who wants to be cursed and hopeless?
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2014, 10:11:03 AM »
Honestly, Kitsune almost match what their name is meant to indicate. Almost. They just forgot the 'actually is a fox' part, rather than just 'can also be a humanoid fox'.

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Re: [3.P] Who wants to be cursed and hopeless?
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2014, 02:55:40 PM »
If I do a Paladin from the East, do I have to burn feats on Eastern weapons? D:

Pffttt, ignore Paizo, reflavoring is king in my court.  If you call it a katana but has the mechanics of a falchion, a club for a tonfa, or whatever else, feel free.  Not to worry about.

If you're looking for light weapons which are also good, why not Sunblades?  The cheap kind in.... Castle Ravenholm I think?  3000g, but notable for being both a bastard sword and a short sword, or light, one, and two handed all in one.  Not that you can afford it yet, but soon...

Side note: I don't keep track of mundane ammo and rations.  If we end up in a situation where you would be running out (possible) I'll presume everyone has 3 days of food and 50 arrows/bolts/rocket assigned doom plushies on hand.  Of course you still keep track of any magic or special ammo.
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Re: [3.P] Who wants to be cursed and hopeless?
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2014, 02:57:53 PM »
Any changes to weapon finesse? E.g., does it add Dex to damage as well? I have no idea why it doesn't do that by default. >:/

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Re: [3.P] Who wants to be cursed and hopeless?
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2014, 03:01:01 PM »
Any changes to weapon finesse? E.g., does it add Dex to damage as well? I have no idea why it doesn't do that by default. >:/

No, but consider this official approval that Improved Weapon Finesse is in, so you can still get it.
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Re: [3.P] Who wants to be cursed and hopeless?
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2014, 03:03:14 PM »
Ok, so I'm going to go with the PF Maneuver Master Monk, branching out into a ToB class, probably Crusader, though I may talk myself into swordsage. And I think I'm going to go with a Tengu, unless birdmen are out for fluff reasons.

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Re: [3.P] Who wants to be cursed and hopeless?
« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2014, 03:05:29 PM »
Excellent. Time to dump Strength and focus on making a paladin that fits the wandering samurai archetype more. i.e., not ensconced in plate armour or the like. :lmao

Guess they should also be human to get things going level one.

Hmm... 10, 16 (18 with +2 from Human), 13, 12, 10, 18. Weapon Finesse, Improved Weapon Finesse, TWF. Flaw (undecided). Paladin... 2? We're starting level 2, right? :lmao

Unoptimised as everything I ever do but it should get better once access to Extra Smiting and Divine Might is gained. >_>;

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Re: [3.P] Who wants to be cursed and hopeless?
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2014, 03:09:22 PM »
Ok, so I'm going to go with the PF Maneuver Master Monk, branching out into a ToB class, probably Crusader, though I may talk myself into swordsage. And I think I'm going to go with a Tengu, unless birdmen are out for fluff reasons.

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You're good, "beastmen" are uncommon and you may get some looks but they exist.  Gnolls tend to fall in the same category.
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Re: [3.P] Who wants to be cursed and hopeless?
« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2014, 03:09:44 PM »
Yeah, I'm going to max dex and run with agile maneuvers and weapon finesse - especially if we're houseruling weapon finesse to add dex to damage?

Now to go find a 3.5 finessible weapon with reach....

And I figure I'm going to slot the birdmen into a semi-religious order in Taphos - a Sons of Horus kind of thing.

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Re: [3.P] Who wants to be cursed and hopeless?
« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2014, 03:15:21 PM »
Yeah, I'm going to max dex and run with agile maneuvers and weapon finesse - especially if we're houseruling weapon finesse to add dex to damage?

Now to go find a 3.5 finessible weapon with reach....

And I figure I'm going to slot the birdmen into a semi-religious order in Taphos - a Sons of Horus kind of thing.

Not houseruling, but that homebrew feat is in, so you can have Dex to damage (and finesse greatswords and lances and stuff, because Dex and because it costs 2 feats).

Oooo, I like that.  Good call on the Horus thing.
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Re: [3.P] Who wants to be cursed and hopeless?
« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2014, 03:24:09 PM »
Have we ran down what level we want to start at? Personally, I'd vote for something in the 3-5 range. I'm going to be very feat starved, and if we start at level 3 then I won't feel motivated to dip fighter.  :bigeyes

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Re: [3.P] Who wants to be cursed and hopeless?
« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2014, 03:29:34 PM »
I'll sleep on it (literally, will be napping, bbl).  Hmmm, ask the others, if they push hard enough I may bump to 3.  No more than that though.  I do understand the joy of an extra feat.
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Re: [3.P] Who wants to be cursed and hopeless?
« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2014, 03:31:34 PM »
Hm, looks like I'll have to go for just smashing stuff normally anyway, as Divine Might has Power Attack as a prerequisite, and that has 13 STR. Both of which are annoying, because I hate power attack and never end up using it. And sacrificing CON for STR I otherwise wouldn't use seems masochistic. :shakefist

Which then puts me in the scenario of 'WTF do I even do with my third level feat'? I can't take DM or Extra Smiting until level 5.

Well, I could also lower my CHA modifier, which is something that makes me sad. :lmao
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Re: [3.P] Who wants to be cursed and hopeless?
« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2014, 03:50:16 PM »
Yeah, frankly I'd really like weapon finesse & improved WF to make myself work. Weapon finesse alone will be ok, but it'll be hard to dump Str as much as I want to. Of course, I'm still going to go with a two-handed weapon, so Str 14 has some payoffs.

And at level 3 I'll get maneuvers. Which is always a nice touch.

I'm going to post my tentative build here so I don't lose my notes when I go home:
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Re: [3.P] Who wants to be cursed and hopeless?
« Reply #34 on: May 09, 2014, 04:01:08 PM »
Planned all the way up to level 9. Also I find myself once again dumping Wisdom. :lmao

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Not interested in the specific favored class bonus (energy resistance? Er), so probably going for HP there.
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Re: [3.P] Who wants to be cursed and hopeless?
« Reply #35 on: May 09, 2014, 04:18:25 PM »
I forgot that we get a flaw, too. That'll help my feat selection. Shaky is always an easy flaw. If I decide that a penalty to something I don't really use is cheesy, I might just take vulnerable for the AC penalty.

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Re: [3.P] Who wants to be cursed and hopeless?
« Reply #36 on: May 09, 2014, 08:41:45 PM »
Might I be able to sneak in with a Sniper? I didn't really see you mention anything about homebrew, other than your D&DWiki stuff. (Incredibly, I still haven't played one, since the other games I've tried to use it in have all been DOA...)

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Re: [3.P] Who wants to be cursed and hopeless?
« Reply #37 on: May 09, 2014, 09:12:45 PM »
Probably stuff

And to that starting level topic; it doesn't really change anything for me whether we start at 2nd or 3rd cause I get TWF at 2nd. Well, actually I guess with 3rd I'd have the least penalties I can get TWFing Dwarven Waraxes :3

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Re: [3.P] Who wants to be cursed and hopeless?
« Reply #38 on: May 09, 2014, 09:16:11 PM »
Once I get to the right point, I think I can get 2x CHA to attack and damage against evil foes. I think. They should stack, since different sources...

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Re: [3.P] Who wants to be cursed and hopeless?
« Reply #39 on: May 09, 2014, 11:01:49 PM »
I like 3rd level... as full casters (and psions) get 2nd level spells/powers.
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