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Antimagic Field Questions
« on: November 14, 2015, 09:44:53 PM »
Ok, I've got a few questions regarding the Antimagic Field spell...

1) Where does the whole idea of blocking LoE to AMF? It seems silly and far-fetched to me that a trick such as using a large iron bell with shink object as a hat that will expand automatically in an AMF would exempt you from the effects of the AMF. And even if you can block the LoE to an AMF, why would an area already exposed to the effects suddenly lose it? Wouldn't it be more likely to trap a portion of the field inside the bell with you?

2) Do conjuration spells such as Orb of ___ really work in an AMF? My understanding from reading AMF is that they would be treated like any other conjuration and wink out while passing through the area affected by the AMF. They are not "normal missiles" they are conjured missiles.

3) This one's more of a silly question... If someone under the effects of a spell such as Hide Life (Who has severed the body part) enters an AMF, would they fall dead? Or at the very least appear to be dead while within the AMF?
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Re: Antimagic Field Questions
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2015, 09:53:46 PM »
Ok, I've got a few questions regarding the Antimagic Field spell...

1) Where does the whole idea of blocking LoE to AMF? It seems silly and far-fetched to me that a trick such as using a large iron bell with shink object as a hat that will expand automatically in an AMF would exempt you from the effects of the AMF. And even if you can block the LoE to an AMF, why would an area already exposed to the effects suddenly lose it? Wouldn't it be more likely to trap a portion of the field inside the bell with you?
Because that's how emanations work, and AMF is a emanation. There is nothing far-fetched going on here at all. The object blocking LoE itself actually remains within the LoE, and so no longer shrank (shrunken?).

The linked section says: 1) Emanations work like bursts except... (things that don't matter).
2) Things with total cover are not affected at all by bursts (emanations).
3) So if an object (giant tinfoil hat, etc) provides total cover, then it blocks any emanations. Since AMF is an emanation, it is blocked.

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2) Do conjuration spells such as Orb of ___ really work in an AMF? My understanding from reading AMF is that they would be treated like any other conjuration and wink out while passing through the area affected by the AMF. They are not "normal missiles" they are conjured missiles.
Yes, per all of the D&D FAQs, Rules of the Game articles, etc, that have ever addressed this (and there have been a few, IIRC).

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3) This one's more of a silly question... If someone under the effects of a spell such as Hide Life (Who has severed the body part) enters an AMF, would they fall dead? Or at the very least appear to be dead while within the AMF?
It's not actually that silly... The fact that this is an instantaneous effect means that the magic which made it happen is over and done with immediately after the casting is finished. So technically AMF wouldn't affect this at all.
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Re: Antimagic Field Questions
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2015, 11:23:21 PM »
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2) Do conjuration spells such as Orb of ___ really work in an AMF? My understanding from reading AMF is that they would be treated like any other conjuration and wink out while passing through the area affected by the AMF. They are not "normal missiles" they are conjured missiles.
Yes, per all of the D&D FAQs, Rules of the Game articles, etc, that have ever addressed this (and there have been a few, IIRC).

The reason for my asking this one was due to this part of the spell description:

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Summoned creatures of any type and incorporeal undead wink out if they enter an antimagic field. They reappear in the same spot once the field goes away. Time spent winked out counts normally against the duration of the conjuration that is maintaining the creature. If you cast antimagic field in an area occupied by a summoned creature that has spell resistance, you must make a caster level check (1d20 + caster level) against the creature's spell resistance to make it wink out. (The effects of instantaneous conjurations, such as create water, are not affected by an antimagic field because the conjuration itself is no longer in effect, only its result).
A normal creature (a normally encountered griffon rather than a conjured one, for instance) can enter the area, as can normal missiles.

If a summoned creature would wink out while passing through an AMF, you would think the same would and should happen to a summoned projectile...

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Re: Antimagic Field Questions
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2015, 11:41:48 PM »
Ok, another silly question...

If you were to cast a spell such as Leomund's Secure Shelter, and part of it was within the area of an AMF... would it's walls block LoE or would the section of the shelter that is inside the AMF not materialize while the AMF is up? I can see the arguement for both sides...

On one hand the wall is a physical barrier... on the other it's a magical construction...

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Re: Antimagic Field Questions
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2015, 03:11:07 AM »
The difference between Orb of _ and Summon Monster is the spell subtype. Its the difference between (Creation) and (Summoning) that lets one work and the other not.

As for the total cover bit hiding you from the AMF, that only works until you move into a position where the emanation of the AMF effect originates.  Then the AMF ends up emanating from right where you're standing and now you're trapped the effect inside your tinfoil hat with you :p

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Re: Antimagic Field Questions
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2015, 02:50:23 PM »
The difference between Orb of _ and Summon Monster is the spell subtype. Its the difference between (Creation) and (Summoning) that lets one work and the other not.
It's mostly about the duration. Orb of X is instantaneous. Summoning isn't. As I mentioned above, the effects of Instantaneous spells are no longer "magical" after the spellcasting is completed. Think of something like a Wall of Iron. It doesn't dissappear when brought into an AMF, because it's a mundane material that happens to have been created using magic. The Orb of X spells are the same way (but please don't bring up Orb of Force...).

I don't remember what happens with spells that are partially within an AMF. I think only the part within the AMF is supressed, right? That's what would happen with the Mansion.
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Re: Antimagic Field Questions
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2015, 10:20:21 PM »
The difference between Orb of _ and Summon Monster is the spell subtype. Its the difference between (Creation) and (Summoning) that lets one work and the other not.

As for the total cover bit hiding you from the AMF, that only works until you move into a position where the emanation of the AMF effect originates.  Then the AMF ends up emanating from right where you're standing and now you're trapped the effect inside your tinfoil hat with you :p

Hm... so... are you telling me that if you were to rig up an AMF in say... a 5ft doorway... and someone wearing the "tinfoil" hat were to walk through the doorway... they would trap themselves under their giant bell if they arn't strong enough to move it?


That just gave me an idea for an insideous trap...

AMF in the doorway... a heavy block with Enlarge Item cast on it held at the top of the doorway, due to the AMF the spell is suppressed and the item is normal sized... any who enters with their "tinfoil" hat will cause the item to enlarge and crush them under their hat.
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Re: Antimagic Field Questions
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2015, 10:50:28 PM »
You'd have to figure out a way for the AMF to effect an area. Normally it targets the caster.
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Re: Antimagic Field Questions
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2015, 12:17:50 AM »
You'd have to figure out a way for the AMF to effect an area. Normally it targets the caster.

A quick Google search found me Sigils of Antimagic from a 3.0 supplement... that would certainly work to make an AMF orinate in the doorway

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Re: Antimagic Field Questions
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2015, 04:24:01 AM »
A quick Google search found me Sigils of Antimagic from a 3.0 supplement... that would certainly work to make an AMF orinate in the doorway

Yeah that would probably work.  Kind of expensive (irrelevant if you're the DM though), and you'd have to adjudicate on the fly where the point of origin is.  It normally fills an entire 20'x20'x10' stronghold space.  And really, if your PC is paranoid enough to wear a tinfoil hat, they probably also have Permanent Detect Magic or Arcane Sight, and so would see this coming even if they missed the runes inscribed on the wall. 

One other problem though:  Is Enlarge Item even a spell?
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Re: Antimagic Field Questions
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2015, 04:14:55 PM »
I could have sworn I ran across an Enlarge Item/Object spell in one of the books before O.o now all I'm finding is Enlarge Person & Enlarge Weapon...

eh... if I could somehow shrink the doorway... then I could possibly trap them within their own tinfoil hat still... probably throw a hundred or so hints along the way with "large bell-like shapes protruding from the walls as you pass by"

It'll probably never really come up though... I'd like to DM a campaign sometime, but having issues figuring out a story and getting a group together with a regular schedule...

Thankyou all for your answers.