Min/Max Boards

  as in a penultimate thread, for this era of BG.


iirc there's this one :  http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=6524.msg105705#msg105705
Any others ?

I was doing some scrounging

Tamer of Beasts prc is 3.0e, but has a CL based # of HD for Animal Friendship.  If there was some way to tack this onto SirP's caster level loop.  Not at all a supermount, rather trans-editionaliy in the ballpark.  And it's SirP's loop that would (could?) power it.  Unless someone has a new-ish less well known decent CL loop to throw at it.
http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=6321.0


Epic Paladin's Mount can take Epic Leadership feat, picking another Paladin = loop , like The Big Guy Is With Me or KellK's Shards of Leadership ideas.  This is the core + srd supermount.  Since the Mount can work with Leadership and Animal Companion, it gets started sooner.  The power up has little to do with the supermount idea itself, just the kick off time.
Beastmaster 4 prc can get a 2nd AC going, since the above version doesn't need much.  This particular part is rather weak and relies on other things to make it good.


Bloodlines, with previous interpretations to PLZ's handbook, can count in ways PLZ would immediately protest (and rightly so given his handbook and his supermount).
Faith Scion prc in UA/SRD counts for both Paladin's Mount and Animal Companion.  Works best with Bloodlines, already mentioned as sketchy, and just as a garnish to a build.


Imbued Staff is in DMag and not on realmshelps.  Turns the Wizard's staff into a familiar.  That's a perfectly usable target for the Psychic Weapons Master prc (and maybe the soulknife-y PsyWar thingy), which gets a new thing over onto a supermount, recovering some of the normal familiar things lost to going Imbued Staff.  I'll put a gold star on my kitty avatar's Tail  just to drive it a little more nuts than it already is.  The PWM prc is quite a diversion of a build from supermount, OK when it happens, bad caster before.  Only really useful thing is to go Planar Vanguard prc to have a Supermount Demi-Plane.  { edit --- or Big Guy Is With Me, or both }  Since it's available to magic weapon mods and separate magic staff type mods, I'll call this a winner if comparably sucky up until boom happens).  If supermount based mount and ac stuff can be squeezed specifically onto the Imbued Staff and not the other ways, then it'd be more like a traditional supermount, with a long pause.  I think I can get the Epic Paladin loop going along side most of this one.  I think I can ...


Spell Sovereign prc has a batch of previous threads around here.  Wiz 5 Changeling sub, is a key.  Add in loose-ish bloodlines onto Uncanny Trickster 2 and Legacy Champ 3, and you've got a 7th level living spell booping around.  Could go SirP's CL loop on this one, which might be awesome.  Feat based supermount stuff can be offhandedly added.  Could drop down to 6th level spells, and fit in 3 levels of trad supermount classes ; or down to 5s with 6 levels of trad supermount.

This feat has been noticed before, but largely ignored.

Magic Device Attunement
Prerequisite Use Magic Device 1 ranks
If you successfully activate an item with the Use Magic Device skill, you can take a free action to attune yourself to the item. For the next 24 hours, you can activate that item without making further Use Magic Device checks. You can attune yourself to only one item at a time. If you attune yourself to a second item, the previous attunement ends.

Warlock Info guide says Warlocks don't need it.
2 threads at BG vaguely discuss, with my-old-school weenie filter triggers.
http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=993
http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=12205

Version 1 --- you do it once, you get a free pass.  No big deal, let's move on.
Version 2 ... what happens to the UMD check # itself?  Is that the number that's carried forward (so to speak)?  In which case, it's possibly near T.O.-ish.  If the check # is not carried forward, you're back to Version 1 with an uncomfortably large handwave necessary for whatever it does, to work.


** For purposes of this thread, I'm going with Version 2 = the check number is carried forward.


So there's 2 separate questions :

1) ... what to use it for, like The Word
Caster Level substitute is obvious, as is Augmentation.
Linked metapsi + PsyChiurgery + exp is a river = abusive fun.

2) ... how to get that 1/day spike number, when that sort of thing has never been Opt before (except Omni or Nanobots)
iirc the UMD build record was around 230 ; provided someone has a copy saved from multiple board-pocalypses.
The casually easy focused UMD number is :  Take 10 + 23 ranks + 13 stat mod + 23 item familiar + 15 bard 1 spell + 20 cleric 2 spell = 107
Both of these are not 1/day spikes, rather more often usable consistent numbers.

Any ideas for the build, and for using it 

Any ideas on how these 2 interact ... 

"Apprentice Spellcaster" 


... while Half-Fey racial progression can be considered an actual "class" (or maybe I'm way off base here)

 

Here's what I'm looking at pre-acquired templates ...

 Lycanthropy Paragon Remade Obah-Blessed Maurid Half-Machine Divine Messenger of Kord Chameleon Woodling Mythal Ghost Magebred Master of the Tower Faerzress-Infused Magic-Blooded Arctic Deep Aquatic Desert Glyph Guardian Half-Stone Golem Wild Phynxkin //Entomanothrope Paragon Master of the Tower Faerzress-Infused Divine Messenger of Hextor Half-Machine Remade Obah-Blessed Mythal Ghost Maurid Chameleon Draconic Dark Guardian Acidborn Deep Magic-Blooded Arctic Desert Aquatic Corrupted Wild Medium Monstrous Centipede // Katane Ghul Genden Fetch Glyph Guardian Half-Clay Golem Half-Satyr Primordial Giant Reptilian Winged Fiendish Half-Troll Dungeonbred Shadow Paragon Remade Phrenic Mythal Ghost Maurid Master of the Tower Magister Magic-Blooded Faerzress-Infused Chameleon Dark Draconic Desert Deep Aquatic Anarchic Sharn

What The Half-Dragon is that ?!

Just connecting the numbers in the most obvious fashion.
Most likely this is combat only  though ...
Not sure what assumptions ought to be brought in.


Tier 6 would be a Less Than 60% failure rate, within 6 rounds.

Tier 5 would be a Less Than 50% failure rate, within 5 rounds.

Tier 4 would be a Less Than 40% failure rate, within 4 rounds.

Tier 3 would be a Less Than 30% failure rate, within 3 rounds.

Tier 2 would be a Less Than 20% failure rate, within 2 rounds.


PC Commoner 1 and 2 would be even a Tier 7, by this scale.
Explicitly successful Tiers 1s would be much rarer.
idk if this scale works for Social non-combat stuff, hmm.

I think the Same Game Test idea can fit into this rather easily.
(don't know if it's originators would want that)
I presume the supposed game maths, would assume Tier 5 to be normal.


Hard maths based, but no easier to prove.
What do you think 

Example: 
Rogue 5 gets stuck in the middle of no where,
and has to train as a Fighter 2, but wants to
keep some Rogue Class Skills at max ranks
inspite of not being a Rogue for the 2 levels.

I'm blanking on the few easy things that do this.
There should be a few others not as well known.

 

3.0e and 3.5e combined.
EDIT ---- and also DMag both 3.0e and 3.5e too.

 

My inconsistent homegame is trending toward flush and renewal again (time # 4 or 5 , I've lost count).


So I'm thinking of going Abyssal Tiefling variant, Cha 16 Con 16 Dex 14ish Wis 10 S+I 8
Sorc Drag 1 for the role/background ; though I'd really prefer Favored Soul armor and 2nd attack >> lesser armor less +stat to damage and spells. hmm ...
TomeLock 3 (or 4 if the feat tax becomes obviously necessary)  ** writing all the Abyssal spells into the Tome when the chances appear.
Sorc +X ... maybe back dragging up Lock to 5 or 6 not likely with the game fizzling before.

Cold for
Frostburn + Hex combo , when caught in combat , works with Quicken risky for Twin
Ray of Frost + Expeditious Retreat , when needing to get away , works with Twin or Quicken

Shocking Grasp + Familiar , when partymates F-up a little too often , does this work with Quicken?
the standard Lock blaster set-up hopefully less than 1/2 the time

Nova of only lower level spells, to not overwhelm the DM
not as many options as Wizard with no dips
Sorc'Lock recharge cheese held off to minimums of necessity (and will be necessary perhaps too often too)
expectation of Spellcasting services for 1s, scroll 2s for sale
no idea if I can get 3s anywhere

Stuff I'm not sure about :
Fey instead of GOO, Fiend doesn't work with cold
go FS instead of Drag anyway, might get stuck as "The" healer which I hate
Tomes 3 cantrips on top of already having Sorc+Lock+Abyssal's too ... and I won't know the party composition 'til it happens on Day 1
more Cold spell choices
not sure how amenable the DM is to the SCAG sword cantrips
Sorc 4 and Lock 4 feats slots are open to anything really (if I'm not getting Cold screwed {wait I might like that} oh you didn't need to know that oops)

Ideas 

Varrangoin are rather tasty, except for this major problem :

Varrangoin Traits (Ex): Exposure to bright light (such as sunlight or a daylight spell) blinds varrangoins for round. Even after recovering from being blinded, they take a -1 circumstance penalty on all attack rolls, saves, and skill checks while operating in bright light.


ways to gain Immunity to Blind condition?
spam Darkness or similar?
trinkets or goggles that'll block light?

idk I'm at a loss.