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Min/Max 3.x / [3.P] Master Spy build--need feat ideas/build critique please
« on: November 19, 2014, 05:43:51 PM »
So my group plays 3.5 with pathfinder content included and I made a Master Spy. The campaign isn't combat heavy and even if it were I'm not looking to make a melee monster or anything--I'm perfectly comfortable making a social, RP-heavy character with a minor in trap/lock removal, despite that very definitely not being my M.O. She's not an awful flanking buddy though. I figured once things really jump off she can be a solid UMDer. The problem is I have a feat I need to take and I can't think of a single thing to get. I could also use some advice on Rogue Talents.
The build is PF Rogue 7 / PF Master Spy 6 at the moment. I took Feign Death from EoE and Nimble Fingers from Dungeonscape (DM allows it to work on locks AND traps).
Stats after level bonii:
10 Str
18 Dex
15 Con
18 Int
13 Wis
18 Cha
Current feats are H:Iron Will (prereq) 1: Deceitful (PF version, prereq) 3: Weapon Finesse 6: Improved Feint 9; Staggering Strike 12: Nothing!
The Rogue talents I took so far are Charmer, Coax Information, and Convincing Lie. I have the Assume Quirk, Second Impression, and Social Recovery skill tricks as well.
I'm not sold on Convincing Lie but I like the first two talents. I thought about Finesse Rogue but I don't know what feat to get in its place. None of the trap talents scream out to me since I have the Nimble Fingers ACF, and the disguise ones are redundant with the Master Spy class features as well as my Ring of Chameleon Power. I kind of like the Minor Magic and Major Magic talents but I'm already level 13 so I can usually just scroll and wand stuff (theoretically). I might even look at Guileful Polyglot but, you know, magic. I think I want to take Follow Clues; sounds fun. Anyone have any experience with this or any advice?
As far as the build goes, I'm aware that Bard is a superior entry choice but I really like the idea of her being more mundane. Plus, I have a ton of Bards already and I hate the way PF nerfed my favorite class (though I can use the 3.5 Bard), although some of the archetypes are quite cool (thought very hard about Archaeologist Bard). One debate I'm internally having is taking Rogue to 10 so I can use my 12th, 15th, and 18th level feats on advanced talents, but I want the Master Spy abilities as soon as possible. A conundrum. I'm definitely leaning toward Rogue 10 Master Spy 3 at the moment.
I know Improved Feint isn't great but she has a fantastic Bluff and combined with Staggering Strike she's a great flanking buddy and can hold her own in one-on-one briefly. No idea where to take her build as far as feats go but I think the best thing would be to take more Talents. I could use some advice here.
Anyway, thanks for reading. Please let me know what you think!
The build is PF Rogue 7 / PF Master Spy 6 at the moment. I took Feign Death from EoE and Nimble Fingers from Dungeonscape (DM allows it to work on locks AND traps).
Stats after level bonii:
10 Str
18 Dex
15 Con
18 Int
13 Wis
18 Cha
Current feats are H:Iron Will (prereq) 1: Deceitful (PF version, prereq) 3: Weapon Finesse 6: Improved Feint 9; Staggering Strike 12: Nothing!
The Rogue talents I took so far are Charmer, Coax Information, and Convincing Lie. I have the Assume Quirk, Second Impression, and Social Recovery skill tricks as well.
I'm not sold on Convincing Lie but I like the first two talents. I thought about Finesse Rogue but I don't know what feat to get in its place. None of the trap talents scream out to me since I have the Nimble Fingers ACF, and the disguise ones are redundant with the Master Spy class features as well as my Ring of Chameleon Power. I kind of like the Minor Magic and Major Magic talents but I'm already level 13 so I can usually just scroll and wand stuff (theoretically). I might even look at Guileful Polyglot but, you know, magic. I think I want to take Follow Clues; sounds fun. Anyone have any experience with this or any advice?
As far as the build goes, I'm aware that Bard is a superior entry choice but I really like the idea of her being more mundane. Plus, I have a ton of Bards already and I hate the way PF nerfed my favorite class (though I can use the 3.5 Bard), although some of the archetypes are quite cool (thought very hard about Archaeologist Bard). One debate I'm internally having is taking Rogue to 10 so I can use my 12th, 15th, and 18th level feats on advanced talents, but I want the Master Spy abilities as soon as possible. A conundrum. I'm definitely leaning toward Rogue 10 Master Spy 3 at the moment.
I know Improved Feint isn't great but she has a fantastic Bluff and combined with Staggering Strike she's a great flanking buddy and can hold her own in one-on-one briefly. No idea where to take her build as far as feats go but I think the best thing would be to take more Talents. I could use some advice here.
Anyway, thanks for reading. Please let me know what you think!
