Author Topic: Spellsong Index & General Discussion  (Read 18039 times)

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Re: Spellsong Index & General Discussion
« Reply #40 on: March 02, 2016, 07:37:51 PM »
Right. Now that I am sufficiently embarrassed, on to feats! :P

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Re: Spellsong Index & General Discussion
« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2016, 10:49:16 AM »
Feats!

Custom Fitment - is it possible to re-customize an item?

Reckless Creation - I think you love randomness too much.


Also I'll quote Garryl from the feats thread.

What does Orchestral Performance actually do? It looks like it just removes the need for the DC 10 check for aid another from up to Cha mod assistants, in exchange for a feat and the inability to get higher bonuses from more skilled assistants (see Complete Adventurer).

Deceptive Art does the same thing as Heighten, but just plain better if you have a Charisma of 20+.


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Re: Spellsong Index & General Discussion
« Reply #42 on: March 07, 2016, 01:32:52 PM »
Custom Fitment - No, it's part of the item creation process. One and done.

Reckless Creation - Sometimes it's also just coming up with ideas for feats and then trying to balance them. Doesn't always work first time. What would you suggest for this one?

Orchestral Performance needs a rewrite, the rules there just aren't very clear.

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Re: Spellsong Index & General Discussion
« Reply #43 on: March 07, 2016, 01:37:11 PM »
Reckless creation doesn't seem unbalanced to my eyes, it's just that you have all of these random rolling mechanics in your systems.  I'm glad there's none of that in the Rituals.  :P

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Re: Spellsong Index & General Discussion
« Reply #44 on: March 07, 2016, 02:16:04 PM »
That's because you need to find random monsters instead  :lmao

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Re: Spellsong Index & General Discussion
« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2016, 05:01:25 PM »
Thinking of this:

Orchestral Performance [Spellsong]
Prerequisites: Able to use Spellsongs
Benefit: The spellsinger draws strength from playing to a crowd, as listed on the table below. She gains a bonus to her spellsong checks based on the number of people in the audience. Members of the audience must be indifferent or better to provide a benefit, and have an intelligence score of at least 8. This does not stack with any use of Aid Another from any listeners.


Audience Bonus
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1-5      +1   
6-10     +2   
11-20    +3   
21-40    +4   
41-80    +5   
80+      +6     


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Re: Spellsong Index & General Discussion
« Reply #46 on: March 08, 2016, 05:34:40 PM »
Looks pretty good and isn't combat specific, I like it better than the current version!

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Re: Spellsong Index & General Discussion
« Reply #47 on: March 09, 2016, 06:03:17 AM »
Looks pretty good and isn't combat specific, I like it better than the current version!

In that case, I think that's the feats sorted. The sole race next?

Things still to do (for me): Update Artisan so it can heal golems. Update Earthspeaker requirements. Add duration to Voice of Condemnation. Drop Voice of the Elements for Elemental Affinity. Create new feat for Earthspeaker.
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Re: Spellsong Index & General Discussion
« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2016, 10:21:41 AM »
Chanwyr

Does Talented actually count as having ranks?  Can I meet prereqs with it?

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Re: Spellsong Index & General Discussion
« Reply #49 on: March 09, 2016, 10:44:44 AM »
Chanwyr

Does Talented actually count as having ranks?  Can I meet prereqs with it?

No, that's why it has the final line - "This bonus does not stack with the benefits of having actual ranks in the skill, nor does it grant any other benefits of having ranks in them."

It's just a bonus equal to 3 + level to two skills, and counting as trained.

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Re: Spellsong Index & General Discussion
« Reply #50 on: March 09, 2016, 12:32:11 PM »
I would add "such as meeting prerequisites" to the end of that line, I read it as more you can't get synergy bonuses and things like that.

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Re: Spellsong Index & General Discussion
« Reply #51 on: March 09, 2016, 01:34:50 PM »
I would add "such as meeting prerequisites" to the end of that line, I read it as more you can't get synergy bonuses and things like that.

Done. And updated Artisan and Songpriest finally.

Only items and my update to Earthspeaker to go.

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Re: Spellsong Index & General Discussion
« Reply #52 on: March 09, 2016, 03:01:50 PM »
Items all look fine to me.

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Re: Spellsong Index & General Discussion
« Reply #53 on: March 10, 2016, 08:45:41 AM »
Items all look fine to me.

Good to know :D

Lastly, proposed changes for Earthspeaker. Requirements now include the Energy Affinity feat from Arhosa's feat thread, and Voice of the Elements replaced with this:

Voice of the Elements [Spellsong]
Prerequisites: Spellsong 6
Benefit: Whenever you affect a creature with a spellsong that deals elemental damage, they take a penalty for one round based on the type of the element. Acid they take a -1 penalty to AC, Cold a -1 penalty to Fortitude saves, Electrical a -1 penalty to Will saves, Fire a -1 penalty to attack rolls, and Sonic a -1 penalty to Reflex saves. These penalties apply after any saves required by the spellsong.

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Re: Spellsong Index & General Discussion
« Reply #54 on: March 10, 2016, 12:14:49 PM »
Do you want the feat to scale like spellsongs?  The penalties seem pretty slim at higher levels.

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Re: Spellsong Index & General Discussion
« Reply #55 on: March 10, 2016, 07:36:16 PM »
Do you want the feat to scale like spellsongs?  The penalties seem pretty slim at higher levels.

They aren't that large, but they more or less always apply, and possibly to a large number of enemies. A spellsinger can pick one of the auto-hit spellsongs, and then slap a -1 to something across the whole enemy pack. Which can prove handy if an ally wants to follow up with another AoE assault.

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Re: Spellsong Index & General Discussion
« Reply #56 on: March 13, 2016, 11:49:32 AM »
Updated Earth speaker and Voice of the Elements. Think that's Spellsong done then.

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Re: Spellsong Index & General Discussion
« Reply #57 on: March 13, 2016, 12:20:35 PM »
Sounds good!

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Re: Spellsong Index & General Discussion
« Reply #58 on: March 13, 2016, 07:02:22 PM »

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Re: Spellsong Index & General Discussion
« Reply #59 on: March 13, 2016, 09:41:27 PM »
Oh I guess I can get around to it.  :P