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Bonus Damage and negative Strength mod
« on: January 15, 2017, 04:26:27 AM »
So if you were attacking with a Melee weapon and have a negative modifier to strength (lets say as low as we could get, -5), then have a bonus to damage (such as through a maneuver, sneak attack, weapon enchant, or similar), do you apply the bonus damage together with the base weapon damage + strength, or after?

For instance, you have a character with a dagger and +1d6 bonus damage from some source, do you:
Minimum 1 (1d4 - 5 + 1d6)
or
Minimum 1 (1d4 - 5),  then +1d6

Im not too sure if the rules take this into account or not given that characters will only very rarely have so little strength that there base weapon damage will be potentially drastically under the penalty. Common sense makes me think it would apply after, at least with certain effect like a flaming weapon, but again Im not too sure
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Re: Bonus Damage and negative Strength mod
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2017, 04:43:11 AM »
In both those equations there is no difference in the order that the numbers are combined.

1d4-5-1d6
No matter what you roll on the 1d4, the minus 5 will always return you a minimum of 1 damage and then you add 1d6 to it.

(1d4-5)+1d6
No matter what you roll on the 1d4, the minus 5 will always return you a minimum of 1 damage and then you add 1d6 to it.

Parenthesis do nothing in changing the order of operations for this equation when you only have addition/subtraction in the equation as both those are on the same level and thus are always left to right.

The only time I'd find this either confusing or annoying is when you crit and potentially do -10 damage? I dunno. Depends on how you do crits. Some rule just multiplying what your normal roll (1d4-5= 1x2 crit= 2 dmg) or the other way which still gets you 1 damage as if you hadn't crit :p
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Re: Bonus Damage and negative Strength mod
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2017, 05:00:03 AM »
To clarify normally damage rolls normally have a minimum value of 1. The equation is not to be taken as a literal equations, its just was a quick and fast way to separate the weapon damage roll from the bonus roll (in the case of the 2nd example). I can clarify it a bit better.
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Re: Bonus Damage and negative Strength mod
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2017, 05:02:29 AM »
Okay.

Yes, bonus damage always comes after base damage. It's kind of laid out plainly in the definitions of base and bonus.

Sorry I got stuck on just reading the equations you had rather than focusing on the question -_-'
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Re: Bonus Damage and negative Strength mod
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2017, 09:04:19 AM »


Math is apparently illegal, but not D&D....

So the question you have to ask yourself... is D&D math also illegal?

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Re: Bonus Damage and negative Strength mod
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2017, 10:43:15 AM »
The only time I'd find this either confusing or annoying is when you crit and potentially do -10 damage? I dunno. Depends on how you do crits. Some rule just multiplying what your normal roll (1d4-5= 1x2 crit= 2 dmg) or the other way which still gets you 1 damage as if you hadn't crit :p

My personal ruling on that is that you apply 1/2, 1/3, or 1/4th your penalty instead of the full penalty, as per your crit.  So -5 on a x2 is -2.
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Re: Bonus Damage and negative Strength mod
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2017, 03:34:38 PM »
thread solved so then

uhh  :fu haa  :D ... I have some relatives in KY and they might  find this funny and/or  :lol they might not

 :lmao ... sHpelling and autocorrect too


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Re: Bonus Damage and negative Strength mod
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2017, 12:08:00 AM »
I have some relatives in KY and they might  find this funny and/or  :lol they might not

 :lmao ... sHpelling and autocorrect too


I used to live in Kentucky, still have some friends out that way.... it's actually a fairly pretty place, depending on which part you are in.

And I do like some Kentucky round steak now and again.
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Re: Bonus Damage and negative Strength mod
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2017, 06:13:01 PM »
Oh yeah it's nice, I used to visit more often.
538 called it the state most like the 50's (with math to prove it).

iirc the longest duration of the August Eclipse is in KY.


And ... on the "math" topic, there's this scandal / problem :
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/01/13/kentucky-governor-puts-louisville-at-risk-of-losing-accreditation/
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