Let's see... A Tzeentch cultist/mago, pink horrors, a Jade wizard, a Metal wizard, and an high-elf Mage. Am I right ?Seems accurate.
Well that changes everything. But I have to admit it is reasonable :bangheadthere's still ways around that limitations, it just requires an interesting bit of workaround to do it. For instance, how fresh does the greater dopplegager brain need to be? Just pay for one, i'm pretty sure someone, somewhere, would quest to kill one and get paid.
No problem. Are you axing celerity entirely? (Not unreasonable.)doesn't seem different than making a Wish at that point, just bypassing the xp component, aren't you?
EDIT: Also... what are the limits on Shadow Miracle? Ransom is duplicating the effects of asking a deity for something awesome... no actual deity involved.
No problem. Are you axing celerity entirely? (Not unreasonable.)doesn't seem different than making a Wish at that point, just bypassing the xp component, aren't you?
EDIT: Also... what are the limits on Shadow Miracle? Ransom is duplicating the effects of asking a deity for something awesome... no actual deity involved.
My point was that it's still limited by the bounds of the spell, CL shenanigans don't allow him to really do anything he already couldn't. Doesn't seem at different than a wish once you remove the limitations of certain things costing xp.No problem. Are you axing celerity entirely? (Not unreasonable.)doesn't seem different than making a Wish at that point, just bypassing the xp component, aren't you?
EDIT: Also... what are the limits on Shadow Miracle? Ransom is duplicating the effects of asking a deity for something awesome... no actual deity involved.
Except that he has control over what happens, since he's controlling the illusion...
Well it may be a matter of power level rather than access. If its just access, Nom could probably take out an ethereal doppelganger then trade with a greater doppelganger. The brain of a Body out of Body clone for access to the greater's abilities would be win-win for everyone (well everyone but the clone).Well that changes everything. But I have to admit it is reasonable :bangheadthere's still ways around that limitations, it just requires an interesting bit of workaround to do it. For instance, how fresh does the greater dopplegager brain need to be? Just pay for one, i'm pretty sure someone, somewhere, would quest to kill one and get paid.
My point was that it's still limited by the bounds of the spell, CL shenanigans don't allow him to really do anything he already couldn't. Doesn't seem at different than a wish once you remove the limitations of certain things costing xp.
Well it may be a matter of power level rather than access. If its just access, Nom could probably take out an ethereal doppelganger then trade with a greater doppelganger. The brain of a Body out of Body clone for access to the greater's abilities would be win-win for everyone (well everyone but the clone).
The Greater Doppelgangers in this world are pretty happy about their monopoly on the utter gamebreaking that is Consume Identity. It's not impossible that one would trade with you, but generally they're probably loath to do so.Well it may be a matter of power level rather than access. If its just access, Nom could probably take out an ethereal doppelganger then trade with a greater doppelganger. The brain of a Body out of Body clone for access to the greater's abilities would be win-win for everyone (well everyone but the clone).Well that changes everything. But I have to admit it is reasonable :bangheadthere's still ways around that limitations, it just requires an interesting bit of workaround to do it. For instance, how fresh does the greater dopplegager brain need to be? Just pay for one, i'm pretty sure someone, somewhere, would quest to kill one and get paid.
Well eating one after game start wouldn't help, since Nom's Acquire Special Quality abilities will already be set. But so long as Ethereal Doppelganger is OK, I guess I could keep the slot open that way. Also is Phaerimm out? How about class abilities set at lvl 20 (or failing that 16)? Dweomerkeeper would sub in for Phaerimm pretty well. And I had forgotten that the Legacy Champion could have also been a caster. The wording on Acquire Class Feature with regard to casters arguably allows for a feature+casting.
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Looking over that elder evil, I'm going to have a ton of fun with this :)
To be fair, Sarasic himself would only want to TKO the dominant pantheon from his time.Well, only wanted. It's in Ayegills hands now.
@ Ayegill.Just the stuff from SA/SQ
In addition to the questions above, how much of the Paragon template carries over to the host? Just what is listed under SA/SQ? Or do I get the save and skill bonuses too? Attack bonuses? AC bonus? Maxed HD rolls?
Even I doubt the +12 HP per HD or speed tripling would be RAI, but I could see the argument that the rest are all racial SQ's too.
Nuts, really wanted the save boost.
Is it wrong that the only reason I originally included the no undead thing was so that I wouldn't try to build Deep Rot, and now I really want to?
Anyone "get" the character name?
Google translate seems to think Ceithre means four, Imman means manage, and Antinomia means antinomy. So you're saying that it will be impossible to manage the other four?
Given that this world is generally populated by people who know what they're doing, I'm thinking it would make sense to institute Wish economy. Your feelings?
He is refering to "The Wish Economy" developped in the Tomes series by Frank Trollman & co.
He is refering to "The Wish Economy" developped in the Tomes series by Frank Trollman & co.
Yes.
Essentially, since goods like diamonds and gold pieces, and all magic items worth less than 5000 gp(the limit on what you can create with wish), are easily reproducible, while items worth more take actual effort to make, there's no way in hell you can buy an item worth more than 5 grand for gold, since the wizard/artificer who made the item can probably just print gold at will. So a schism is formed between the markets for items worth more and less than 5 grand, and stuff like souls and liquid pain and the like, that cannot easily be mass produced, is used as currency to buy stuff on the expensive side of that barrier.
Granted, it's not as relevant what with your cohort's item crafting, but it still limits your ability to buy stuff that's currently beyond your cohorts(epic items, etc).
Granted, it's not as relevant what with your cohort's item crafting, but it still limits your ability to buy stuff that's currently beyond your cohorts(epic items, etc).
FTFY.
And I have no problem with bartering if / when it becomes relevant.
Actually, I prefer bartering, more RP opportunity.
As a Con though, RP'ing the bartering back & forth may slow down the PbP more. This is just an assumption though, since I've never played a PbP game before.
Is trafficking in souls evil? What creatures have souls?
Minor quibble, it's 15k in gp value.
Also, link for those interested: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Dungeonomicon_(DnD_Other)/Economicon
I also have zero preference whether we use it or not. I function in all games like the Wish Economy is active, and plan accordingly.
Create a nonmagical item of up to 25,000 gp in value.
Create a magic item, or add to the powers of an existing magic item.
Normally, yes.
Creatures with the outsider (unless they have the native subtype), ooze, construct, plant, or unread types do not have souls.
AA combination of BoVD's list of mortals, and the raise dead spell.
And souls have value because they can be used to make stuff, or literally be eaten to gain power if an outsider.
Also, 25000 gp in value means 25000 gp, so...
So here's the next question: Will Ransom be at odds with Arias's Elder Evil? I don't think so -- especially if there's only a certain amount of divinity to go around, he'll probably be like "fuck the current gods, I want MY gods".
Also, as I said I have no idea if his plan will work (and neither does he).
Question -- how much work should I put into designing Nowhere and the Nihil? If we're not going to spend much time there, it won't be worth it, but if it'll be important to the story then I'd be happy to put some time into it.
...and what do you have in mind with Gloves of Storing, if anything specific? I'm not sure about free actions, to be honest, as long as you're not doing something that goes above and beyond what is normally considered ridiculous(what we are doing), it should be fine.
No affiliations...
Also, I think between all your backgrounds, we have enough hooks for a decent sandbox game.
So that just means we need to contrive a reason for you to meet up and work together. Any ideas? Otherwise we'll just go with "guy hired you all for fetchquest/dungeon crawl", which is a tad weak.
As long as you have a general idea of how Nowhere looks,
As long as you have a general idea of how Nowhere looks,
Ummmmmmm...... I know how it looks. :D
Arias, is what you've posted all that you have done regarding that elder evil? I'm having a hard time reconciling my character worshipping anything but an elder evil at this point, and may be jumping on your bandwagon.
Arias, is what you've posted all that you have done regarding that elder evil? I'm having a hard time reconciling my character worshipping anything but an elder evil at this point, and may be jumping on your bandwagon.
I did basically everything BUT stat him / his signs, etc.
I've referenced other parts of his ideals here, but I am refraining from revealing everything just because I'm unsure of how much will be character knowledge. That is up to Ayegill. Though to be fair, I have a starting Int of 36, will have several ranks in each knowledge, and my "Zygmunt Molotch" comes form his Cogitae training, which my "Cogitae" was the cult. You'll understand when I post it, but the point is, I doubt the C.I.A. will lack for the knowledge about Sarasic.
If Ayegill doesn't mind, I'll repost what I sent him here.
P.S. Yes, come to the dark side.
P.P.S. We have CAKE!
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Reason i'm asking is that I have a serious problem trying to even see how my character falls on the "become undead or not" scale, purely because drow live a damned long time to begin with, and there's plenty of magic to make that "damned long time" into 'eternity" to begin with.
Unrelated to anything else: I just want to say, illithid underboob is slightly more disturbing than 4e dragonborn having boobs. But only slightly.I love that poster. My sanity left long ago.
Granted, I also just laughed my ass off between the underboob and the "open bar" sign with all the skulls.
I don't mind, as I assume you would know that(especially seeing as how you're a member of his cult).
If Ayegill doesn't mind, I'll repost what I sent him here.
Sarasic
Elder Evil Profile
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Dogma
-Seek to free him (duh).
-Seek to subvert the gods (duh).
-Do not tolerate the undead, as they are the tools of the gods (his village was used by a Nerull cult).
-Seek out information, as Knowledge is the gods greatest weapon. Do not hesitate to share this information with other mortals, as This degrades the gods advantage. Do not share knowledge with those that will only use it to serve the gods, as that only empowers the enemy, instead use deception against the enemy wherever possible.
Do you want me to do any more? Do you want to decide the knowledge DC's or me? Stat block? Etc.
so if you try to use Astral Projection or the like to make infinite items
Sarasic
Elder Evil Profile
Background(click to show/hide)
Goals(click to show/hide)
Dogma
-Seek to free him (duh).
-Seek to subvert the gods (duh).
-Do not tolerate the undead, as they are the tools of the gods (his village was used by a Nerull cult).
-Seek out information, as Knowledge is the gods greatest weapon. Do not hesitate to share this information with other mortals, as This degrades the gods advantage. Do not share knowledge with those that will only use it to serve the gods, as that only empowers the enemy, instead use deception against the enemy wherever possible.
Do you want me to do any more? Do you want to decide the knowledge DC's or me? Stat block? Etc.so if you try to use Astral Projection or the like to make infinite items
"make infinite"
Is it okay if I use the method to have 1-2 extra copies of my stuff though? Especially my scepters, wands & staffs?
Other than having a "backup stash" so I'm not completely AFU by a Mordies DJ, it would also expedite helping one another gear up. At least for things we are mutually interested in.
Aye, is there any way I can upgrade the Primordial Giant Invisibility to Greater Invisibility? I could drop something else... also, they need to be able to see the landscape, so they need see invisibility as well.
I was thinking that Shadow-Miracled Permanency followed by a Shadow Miracle to make it innate could work on the See Invisibility (with Aye's approval). I would have to do a number of them so that the original tribe all had the effect, and then hope that they passed it on to their progeny.
Thoughts?
Unrelated to anything else: I just want to say, illithid underboob is slightly more disturbing than 4e dragonborn having boobs. But only slightly.:D As soon as I saw it I knew I had to use that pic. I think it captures the feel of my character nicely, disturbing yet playful, a huge turn off and a little bit of a turn on at the same time.
Granted, I also just laughed my ass off between the underboob and the "open bar" sign with all the skulls.
I was thinking that Shadow-Miracled Permanency followed by a Shadow Miracle to make it innate could work on the See Invisibility (with Aye's approval). I would have to do a number of them so that the original tribe all had the effect, and then hope that they passed it on to their progeny.
Thoughts?
Totally doable. Don't know 'bout Greater Invisibility, though. Suppose I'll allow it.
Once the basic demiplane reaches its maximum size, the spellcaster can continue to cast this spell to enlarge the demiplane, adding another 180 feet of radius to the demiplane each time.
Actually, the 1-week lead-up time is RAW only from the original casting. After that it adds on as soon as you're done casting (which would normally be a week, but for Ransom is a standard action).The "reaches its maximum size" line is what limits it, timewise.Quote from: SRDOnce the basic demiplane reaches its maximum size, the spellcaster can continue to cast this spell to enlarge the demiplane, adding another 180 feet of radius to the demiplane each time.
Well, I have two issues with that: first is "basic demiplane" to me is talking about the original casting, not any subsequents. Secondary to that is: how long does it take for the expansions to happen? It doesn't say that either.It actually does say how long the expansions take, though I had it twice as long. Second paragraph, "At first, the fledgling plane grows at a rate of 1 foot in radius per day to an initial maximum radius of 180 feet as it rapidly draws substance from surrounding ethereal vapors and protomatter. "
EDIT: Even if it takes as long as the original with every expansion, that's only a week. There are a lot more weeks than 1/year.
You know, maybe he should just do it once a week. He has other stuff to cast there anyway -- TC for seeds, plant growth, etc. I dunno... it doesn't really matter how big it is, I guess. Whenever he stops by, if it isn't currently expanding and he has an extra slot, he'll fire one off.
I was thinking that Shadow-Miracled Permanency followed by a Shadow Miracle to make it innate could work on the See Invisibility (with Aye's approval). I would have to do a number of them so that the original tribe all had the effect, and then hope that they passed it on to their progeny.
Thoughts?
Totally doable. Don't know 'bout Greater Invisibility, though. Suppose I'll allow it.
Another Shadow Miracle to change it to Greater?
OK, so then I'll post up the Nihil shortly. Do you want the info on Nowhere and the Nihil in this thread, the char sheet thread, the World Info thread, or a thread devoted entirely to our various strongholds? :)
More questions. Genesis adds 180' of radius each time it's cast... since I'm making the castings Invisible, that means I can cast Genesis out of 6th, 7th, and 8th-level slots. How big should I have the plane be? It can be pretty enormous, I think... in terms of height and depth, do I have a cylinder or a sphere?
EDIT: Actually, it'll be 360' of radius, since I can Widen it for free thanks to Arcane Thesis.
Well, I have two issues with that: first is "basic demiplane" to me is talking about the original casting, not any subsequents. Secondary to that is: how long does it take for the expansions to happen? It doesn't say that either.It actually does say how long the expansions take, though I had it twice as long. Second paragraph, "At first, the fledgling plane grows at a rate of 1 foot in radius per day to an initial maximum radius of 180 feet as it rapidly draws substance from surrounding ethereal vapors and protomatter. "
EDIT: Even if it takes as long as the original with every expansion, that's only a week. There are a lot more weeks than 1/year.
You know, maybe he should just do it once a week. He has other stuff to cast there anyway -- TC for seeds, plant growth, etc. I dunno... it doesn't really matter how big it is, I guess. Whenever he stops by, if it isn't currently expanding and he has an extra slot, he'll fire one off.
Taking the entire spell into account, it's pretty clear that you have to wait until it hits maximum size before increasing it's size with another casting.
"initial maximum radius of 180 feet"
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"reaches its maximum size"
What we need to do is find a lawful dragon and have it sign a contract: we'll age it a bunch of categories, and in payment it'll help us rock out on our enemies.
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This. This right here.
This is how you Bio.
So you're the leader of Sasaric's cult? Interesting.
There's so very many plot possibilities here.
Meh... are you calling my bio inadequate?? ;)
Re-posting unanswered questions.
@ Ayegill, what is the free action limit on free action command word items like Gloves of Storing and it's derivatives?(click to show/hide)
Arias, how did you get your stat table to format so nicely?He made a table, button 1 left of the Number sign in the formatting options.
Arias, how did you get your stat table to format so nicely?He made a table, button 1 left of the Number sign in the formatting options.
AyeGill, two questions:
1) Can you WRT yourself?
2) Is there any way to protect a piece of information from being divined/bardic knowledge'd/omnifiscer'd? For example, say two people know it, and both have permanent mind blank. Would that do it?
There is precisely one way to do number two, per RAW: be Vecna-blooded. It's why I did it.AyeGill, two questions:
1) Can you WRT yourself?
2) Is there any way to protect a piece of information from being divined/bardic knowledge'd/omnifiscer'd? For example, say two people know it, and both have permanent mind blank. Would that do it?
1): No.
2): There's no end-all way to protect any given information from being known, AFAIK. Mind blank on the people who know it would work, I'd say, for Bardic Knowledge and omnifiscer, but divination spells can still find out by just reading the info directly(for example, if you ask "where does the lich keep his phylactery", even if only he knows, and he has mind blank, you still find out). Depending on the info, there might be ways to keep it from being divined(nondetection on the phylactery, for example), but I don't know of any universal methods.
There is precisely one way to do number two, per RAW: be Vecna-blooded. It's why I did it.AyeGill, two questions:
1) Can you WRT yourself?
2) Is there any way to protect a piece of information from being divined/bardic knowledge'd/omnifiscer'd? For example, say two people know it, and both have permanent mind blank. Would that do it?
1): No.
2): There's no end-all way to protect any given information from being known, AFAIK. Mind blank on the people who know it would work, I'd say, for Bardic Knowledge and omnifiscer, but divination spells can still find out by just reading the info directly(for example, if you ask "where does the lich keep his phylactery", even if only he knows, and he has mind blank, you still find out). Depending on the info, there might be ways to keep it from being divined(nondetection on the phylactery, for example), but I don't know of any universal methods.
The conditions needed to bring the spell into effect must be clear, although they can be general. In all cases, the contingency immediately brings into effect the companion spell, the latter being “cast” instantaneously when the prescribed circumstances occur. If complicated or convoluted conditions are prescribed, the whole spell combination (contingency and the companion magic) may fail when called on. The companion spell occurs based solely on the stated conditions, regardless of whether you want it to.
TTemplates only care about qualifying when you take them.Ooh! I hadn't thought of that! Time to slap unseelie fey on Nom. I originally wanted it for that extra bit of Cha, but that Winter's Chill ability (enemies within 5' get a morale penalty to saves equal to your Cha bonus) is pretty brutal.
Also, Sarasic's thoughts towards unread created by an urpriest that stole the power from the gods? Seems like it could stand as an exception. I ask this not for worship reasons, but for party cohesion reasons.No issues from me. I won't like them, but I won't go out of my way to destroy you for just that. And the Ur-Priest thing would make me forgive quite a lot.
Have to be able to cast 2nd-level arcane spells for Vecna blooded.
Also, what are the numbers for Rods of Persist?Ridiculously expensive, most likely, since the others follow a pattern that's partially based on level adjustment, and partially based on abusability.
The Suffer the Flesh item would give you the constitution damage when you equipped it.
Also, what are the numbers for Rods of Persist?
Is it just me, or does Arcane Thesis allow you to apply Sanctum Spell for a -1 level adjustment (as long as you do other stuff to make sure the level doesn't drop below the original)?
Ransom can take out an army with a shadow caltrops...
Nah, the size of the item isn't dependent on CL. I could, however, probably TK the moon. If Atropus shows up, I'll toss him back the way he came.
I like it, except that as soon as its age category goes up, it'll no longer qualify.There's a spell to fix that. Couple spells, actually. All are evil, though.
I like it, except that as soon as its age category goes up, it'll no longer qualify.There's a spell to fix that. Couple spells, actually. All are evil, though.
Aye, a ruling if you would: the God-blooded templates say you lose them if you ever fulfill the clause in the DR ability, does that remove the LA as well?
I like it, except that as soon as its age category goes up, it'll no longer qualify.There's a spell to fix that. Couple spells, actually. All are evil, though.
@ Sir P; As Mcpoyo pointed out, but also, it would only make it ineligible if it was something that actually increased it's power permanently.
The trick is: Wyrmling gets artificially older only temporarily. If Aye rules that it would cease to be my follower temporarily while it is more powerful, due to temporarily having a higher ECL (if temporary buffs / debuffs change ECL, dragon age changers make rules gray here), then I would just have it Dominated on top of its followership. That way, even when it's big, it serves me, and when it's small it is too loyal to have issues with the fact that I make an effort to keep it loyal when it's big.
@ Mcpoyo "All are Evil, though." Ummm.... Not really an issue here.
EDIT: Bump to make sure Aye sees thisAye, a ruling if you would: the God-blooded templates say you lose them if you ever fulfill the clause in the DR ability, does that remove the LA as well?
Hilariously, it totally does remove the LA. And you get to keep all the really good abilities from vecna-blooded.
Oh crap, I think I broke this open. I now have unlimited CL > 100 Shadow Miracles...not infinite, it still takes me actions, but I have as many as I want. I can cast Invisible Shadow Miracles out of 5th-level slots, and I'll have a command-word item of Mage's Lucubration, which can regen spells of 5th-level or lower.
Probably arcane thesis and sanctum spell.
Also, no infinite or near infinite, per the original thread...
Oh crap, I think I broke this open. I now have unlimited CL > 100 Shadow Miracles...not infinite, it still takes me actions, but I have as many as I want. I can cast Invisible Shadow Miracles out of 5th-level slots, and I'll have a command-word item of Mage's Lucubration, which can regen spells of 5th-level or lower.
I understand, and have done, all of that except, how are you getting them out of 5th level spells?
To cast a Shadow Miracle, I need a 10th-level Silent Image. I Heighten to 8th level, which (with Easy Metamagic) costs me a 7th-level slot, and gives me a 9th-level spell with Earth Spell. Then I apply Sanctum Spell, which (with Arcane Thesis) gives me a 10th for a 6th. Then, I tack on Invisible Spell, which (with AT) drops it to 5th level.
So, given my calculations, what is the "actual spell level" for lucubration purposes?
So, given my calculations, what is the "actual spell level" for lucubration purposes?
The same 10th that is letting you use Miracle. And setting the DC for the spell. And any other level-dependent calculation.
Do we roll our hit points using Invisible Castle, or take average?Average
EDIT2: Holy crap... with all the hugely-boosted CL's in the party, we should have not so much trouble with SR. So... how about Irresistible Spell, from the Kingdoms of Kalamar Player's Guide? +4 level metamagic which REMOVES ALL SAVES.
~ How do you feel about Shapechange abuses?
~ Can we use Wish / Miracle to Permanence spells that normally can't be (like Superior Resistance)?
~ How do you feel about Shapechange abuses?He's letting me RoS shapechange to become a Phane or a Hagumemnon or whatever... so he's probably fine with it.
~ Can we use Wish / Miracle to Permanence spells that normally can't be (like Superior Resistance)?And, why Sup Res? It's 24 hour base duration, just get a Minor Schema and cast it every day.
I actually find this more worrisome than pleasing. PC use of Irresistible spell means BBEG use of it as well. I don't suppose there is a feat, SQ, class ability, or item out there that provides immunity to Irresistible?EDIT2: Holy crap... with all the hugely-boosted CL's in the party, we should have not so much trouble with SR. So... how about Irresistible Spell, from the Kingdoms of Kalamar Player's Guide? +4 level metamagic which REMOVES ALL SAVES.
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Question (and double post): how does True Seeing interact with Cloak of Mystery? How does it interact with Nondetection?
EDIT: question #2. Can Shadow Miracle duplicate metamagicked spells, as long as the total level is 8 or less? If so, would it have to be a metamagic feat I know?
Wasn't it errata'd to be a +10 to the DC?I actually find this more worrisome than pleasing. PC use of Irresistible spell means BBEG use of it as well. I don't suppose there is a feat, SQ, class ability, or item out there that provides immunity to Irresistible?EDIT2: Holy crap... with all the hugely-boosted CL's in the party, we should have not so much trouble with SR. So... how about Irresistible Spell, from the Kingdoms of Kalamar Player's Guide? +4 level metamagic which REMOVES ALL SAVES.
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The more I see what can your characters do, the more I think mine is not scary enough.you and I can be buddies, I don't have any single shtick that's mind bogglingly powerful, since there's no longer a fanatic setting for diplomacy.
Though, concerning buffs such as Primal spells and others, do not worry. I'm a godamned war weaver, I'll cast them on everyone with one cast.
It IS kind of scary to consider that used on us... maybe we should all agree (including Aye) not to include it?Question (and double post): how does True Seeing interact with Cloak of Mystery? How does it interact with Nondetection?
EDIT: question #2. Can Shadow Miracle duplicate metamagicked spells, as long as the total level is 8 or less? If so, would it have to be a metamagic feat I know?
Bump.
Question #3: What's the ruling on how Dweomer of Transference works? Is it anyone's spells or just the caster of the Dweomer?
@ Ayegill
~ Y'know what. Can I get the other 6 Anti-feat rolls Ayegill? It seems I need a few more feats.~ How do you feel about Shapechange abuses?
~ The way domain staffs (CC) are written leaves me wondering; can I prep the spells out of a domain staff with a Metamagic feat when I prep the rest of my spells?
~ Can we use Wish / Miracle to Permanence spells that normally can't be (like Superior Resistance)?
Well, I did open the symbiotic can of worms, at least. concerning the raw power, I don't mind not being the most uber : what I fear is to be a burden.
Anyway, I do bring mass buff, "infinite" wealth & items, a nice little place to live and go adventuring, roleplay opportunities. the fun factor is optimised enough, I just have doubts on my firepower.
Domain staves: no. You burn spell slots to cast spells from that domain, and can burn higher-level spell slots to apply metamagic.I need to find another way to cast Shapechange then. I really want to persist it.
Apply reach or ocular spell to it first.
Do multiple castings of Heroics fall under the Same Effect with Differing Results rule?Generally, yes.
Now, I do have a question : AMFs and other Disjunctions. What do we have against that ?
Aye, I updated the Bracelet of Remembrance to include Rary's Conversion (using the multiple similar abilities rules), with both Conversion & Lucubration Sanctum-downed to 5 to save on the price.
That is quite bizarre. But, price isn't a BIG deal, obviously, not with our own crafters.
And Harald, you have way more HP than Ransom does... his saving grace is that he'll be very difficult to hit with anything (with his 161 AC, 115 touch AC, and saves in the +30s).
I'm just wondering whether I should be giving him SR... He could have SR>100 with a Shadow Miracle.
EDIT2: Hey Arias, if you ever want to go super-Psi, I can make you a shadowcraft cookie of Mental Pinnacle at >100 CL.:devil
Man, working on my RoS mini-handbook, I really want to make an RoS Arcane Heirophant build now.This is why Mont gave us Cohorts :)
Evacuation Rune is a great spell, and I'm using it to incredible effect in another game, but it has a couple of severe limitations: 24 hour duration, and no inter-planar travel. Wouldn't greater teleport be better, despite the greater level?Depends on the use. If your caster level is high enough that carry capacity for teleport is never an issue, sure, otherwise, the lower level makes it pretty useful.
Now, I do have a question : AMFs and other Disjunctions. What do we have against that ?Nom has Iron Heart Surge for AMFs and a crazy high will save for MDJ (+50 before buffs). I'm also considering going around in a Extraordinary Spell Aim'ed AMF. Maybe just on special occasions.
Sucks, I was looking at a way to get a dragon as an animal companion (for age-category shenanigans), but there doesn't seem to be one. I could get a dragon as a familiar, but if it goes above wyrmling it can't be a familiar anymore.You've already looked at and decided against Zhentarim Skymage right? It doesn't work with age category hijinks, but with a really high Cha bonus you might be able to get some mileage out of it.
Could I use a Shadow Miracle to replicate Revive Outsider with my absurd CL and bring dead gods back to life?
Next questions:
1) How does True Seeing interact with Nondetection, Mind Blank, and Cloak of Mystery?
2) Does the Acorn oFT qualify me for Earth Spell even if I'm flying?
There's precedent for using wish or miracle to recreate a dead body, and then targeting it with revive spells, in several other spell effects, in order to raise someone from the dead.
That might be an awesome way to start the campaign. A shadowy network of powers-that-be foresee PCs as amongst those likely to upset the status quo. So they send enforcers to preemptively track down/set up/neutralize/etc. potential problems. The PC's patrons may, in turn, arrange circumstances so that the characters get together in the first place.There's precedent for using wish or miracle to recreate a dead body, and then targeting it with revive spells, in several other spell effects, in order to raise someone from the dead.
I call intervention by other deities with lots of divination spells to cast and nothing better to do.
That might be an awesome way to start the campaign. A shadowy network of powers-that-be foresee PCs as amongst those likely to upset the status quo. So they send enforcers to preemptively track down/set up/neutralize/etc. potential problems. The PC's patrons may, in turn, arrange circumstances so that the characters get together in the first place.There's precedent for using wish or miracle to recreate a dead body, and then targeting it with revive spells, in several other spell effects, in order to raise someone from the dead.
I call intervention by other deities with lots of divination spells to cast and nothing better to do.
Well beings such as Sarasic, Vecna, and Etreveyda stand to benefit from a disruption of the status quo. And thus any/all of them might manipulate the PCs towards those ends. I didn't mean that any of them would go out of their way to be helpful as such.
Fix'dThat might be an awesome way to start the campaign. A shadowy network of powers-that-be foresee PCs as amongst those likely to upset the status quo. So they send enforcers to preemptively track down/set up/neutralize/etc. potential problems. TheThere's precedent for using wish or miracle to recreate a dead body, and then targeting it with revive spells, in several other spell effects, in order to raise someone from the dead.
I call intervention by other deities with lots of divination spells to cast and nothing better to do.PC's patronsother people of the world who don't like the status quo may, in turn, arrange circumstances so that the characters get together in the first place.
Really, so far it looks like all you have to do is get us together in the first place.
Ransom and I would both be studying the gods. He wants to make one, I want to destroy them. Who has the easiest time destroying a god? Another god. If he can make his own god, maybe I can too, this would bear studying. Plus it would grant more insight on how the gods gained power, which may lead to how to remove said power. For his part: If I kill gods, then that may mean that there is more divine power to go around, assisting the possible ascendance of Syrrah.
Aarda, wants to be the best Hátalara. She's ambitious, and wants to be know far and wide. If this group were to succeed at half of the crap they want to, she'll have her fame. And her power.
Not enough info on Nom or *Unnamed Thrall of Malconthet* to say at this point, much less Kuro's character if he joins, but it looks like there will be a few common points of interest there too.
2) Earth Spell is worded oddly. If I Heighten a Silent Image to 9th (and it becomes 11th) level, but it's cast out of a 5th-level slot because of other crap, how much do I add to the CL?
1) Would a person immune to Con damage gain the benefit of an item of Suffer the Flesh when they put it on?No.
2) Earth Spell is worded oddly. If I Heighten a Silent Image to 9th (and it becomes 11th) level, but it's cast out of a 5th-level slot because of other crap, how much do I add to the CL?
1>2 +1
2>3 +1
3>4 +1
4>5 +1
5>6 +1
6>7 +1
7>8 +1
8>9 +1
Total: +8
That's on it's own. I realize you mess with the mechanics in a lot of ways, but all of that is separate from ES.
EARTH SPELL [GENERAL]
You draw magical power from the earth beneath your feet.
Prerequisites: Con 13, Wis 13, Earth Sense, Heighten Spell.
Benefit: As long as you are standing on stone or unworked earth (including normal soil), you can use the Heighten Spell feat to added effect. If you cast a spell using a spell slot one level higher than the spell’s actual level, the spell is treated as a spell of two levels higher and your effective caster level is increased by one. If you use a spell slot two levels higher, the spell is treated as three levels higher and your effective caster level is increased by two, and so on.
You cannot gain the benefi t of this feat when casting a spell with the air, fire, or water descriptor.
2) Earth Spell is worded oddly. If I Heighten a Silent Image to 9th (and it becomes 11th) level, but it's cast out of a 5th-level slot because of other crap, how much do I add to the CL?
1>2 +1
2>3 +1
3>4 +1
4>5 +1
5>6 +1
6>7 +1
7>8 +1
8>9 +1
Total: +8
That's on it's own. I realize you mess with the mechanics in a lot of ways, but all of that is separate from ES.
Normally I'd agree with you. However, look at the actual wording:Quote from: Races of StoneEARTH SPELL [GENERAL]
You draw magical power from the earth beneath your feet.
Prerequisites: Con 13, Wis 13, Earth Sense, Heighten Spell.
Benefit: As long as you are standing on stone or unworked earth (including normal soil), you can use the Heighten Spell feat to added effect. If you cast a spell using a spell slot one level higher than the spell’s actual level, the spell is treated as a spell of two levels higher and your effective caster level is increased by one. If you use a spell slot two levels higher, the spell is treated as three levels higher and your effective caster level is increased by two, and so on.
You cannot gain the benefi t of this feat when casting a spell with the air, fire, or water descriptor.
Emphasis mine. It seems to me that by RAW it only applies to the slot you cast out of, not the level you heighten it to.
Two more fun Kalamar feats.
First is Child of the Earth, a 1st-level-only feat which lets you apply your Con bonus as a luck bonus to saves. BOOM!
Second is Sense Danger, which is a psionic feat that lets you sense the mind of anyone who's trying to attack you within 30 feet. Mindsight mod Detect Evil Intent, doesn't require Telepathy.
There are no mention of other means of cost of reduction we might use right now, unless we somehow manage to get obdurium or iron for free (Wall of Iron don't count according to the guidebook. Wall of Stone with an high enough CL gives free hewn stone walls, but Wall of Iron don't, as you can't shape it).
I will need your help later, though, to install spell traps, spells turrets, portals and whatever.
I believe that was reprinted in one of the fiendish codices (1?)
I was thinking of playing a skillmonkey.
Maybe Factotum/something psionic for classes.
Also I thought to be true mind switched into a Planetar.
See, the spells entry doesn't specify whether it's ex, su or sp, so it defaults to natural, and I get spellcasting as a 17th-level cleric (I think).
Also I thought to be true mind switched into a Planetar.
See, the spells entry doesn't specify whether it's ex, su or sp, so it defaults to natural, and I get spellcasting as a 17th-level cleric (I think).
I was thinking of playing a skillmonkey.
Maybe Factotum/something psionic for classes.
Also I thought to be true mind switched into a Planetar.
See, the spells entry doesn't specify whether it's ex, su or sp, so it defaults to natural, and I get spellcasting as a 17th-level cleric (I think).
Racial Spellcasting is (Ex) SQ.
The process of elimination argument for it being (Ex).
Re-emphasised with it being typed as such in MM5.
For SQ instead of SA: MM5 has the abilities listed as SQ, with only the spells themselves as SA.
This would mean that: A) Polymorph doesn't grant it; B) Shapechange does; C) TMS doesn't; D) Hagu and other shape-shifters can pick it up.
Ayegill, Ruling?
I keep my own (ex) abilities, right?
What about my racial ones?
The power description does not seem to say whether I can keep either.
Ayegill, how much refluffing are you okay with?
SirPercival, is it okay if my backstory overlaps with yours a bit?
Specifically, the character I am making might have been with the tribe of Eneko(that became the Nihil) when Ransom found them.
Also, has anybody got a way to permanency about 50 castings of animate objects on my nanobots?
SirPercival, is it okay if my backstory overlaps with yours a bit?
Specifically, the character I am making might have been with the tribe of Eneko(that became the Nihil) when Ransom found them.
Also, has anybody got a way to permanency about 50 castings of animate objects on my nanobots?
Sure, that makes it easy. And: shadow miracle.
Oh come on, Aye -- you know you're not supposed to take that kind of oppositional stance against the players... ;)I was going to look for some sort of don't minmax your characters too much paragraph in the books that I could quote for this argument, but I'm pretty sure such doesn't exist.
My understanding of rule zero is "that doesn't exist in my campaign anymore / at all" or "that doesn't work that way, because I'm saying so".
Also, I kind of figured this was going to be more of a case in point of the fact that your can't fully optimize the a character w/o shooting yourself in the foot. Or to put it another way, I thought that you weren't going to have to target us, as we'd be doing crap to get ourselves targeted.
Questions.
1) Is it valid to use Energy Substitution on a force effect, to make the damage a particular energy type?
2) Same question, but for Elven Spell Lore (which is worded differently)?
3) If both of the above are "no", would it be possible to enchant individual caltrops to do 1 point each of energy damage, and then roll around on them?
Questions.
1) Is it valid to use Energy Substitution on a force effect, to make the damage a particular energy type?
2) Same question, but for Elven Spell Lore (which is worded differently)?
3) If both of the above are "no", would it be possible to enchant individual caltrops to do 1 point each of energy damage, and then roll around on them?
Bump.
Also, Aye, is there anything you need help with for the world?
I'm reworking Ransom's stuff to take into account his reduced CL.
Another question. Does Master Spellthief make Theurgic Specialist obsolete?
EDIT: ...and another. Could a shadow miracle be used to change one's type? This would be a la the Wish entry under major rituals in Sav Spec.
Also, Aye, is there anything you need help with for the world?
I'm reworking Ransom's stuff to take into account his reduced CL.
I am not sure what needs doing, but I am not too busy currently.Also, Aye, is there anything you need help with for the world?
I'm reworking Ransom's stuff to take into account his reduced CL.
Nothing in particular. I've just been really busy these past weeks(and no rest in sight), so help with anything would be appreciated, really.
Ayegill, should I send you my WIP character sheet and backstory, or just post it(It's rather long)?I am not sure what needs doing, but I am not too busy currently.Also, Aye, is there anything you need help with for the world?
I'm reworking Ransom's stuff to take into account his reduced CL.
Nothing in particular. I've just been really busy these past weeks(and no rest in sight), so help with anything would be appreciated, really.
Can I get anti-feats for the personality copied via Nom's Assume Identity SQ (which is itself from eating an Ethereal Doppelganger). I understand if the answer is no, but decided it was worth asking in order to squeeze in a judicious amount of physical combat feats instead of relying almost solely on casting. Gish-y goodness yum!Nope
Good afternoon all.
Posting to say hello, and to throw out a concept. Simple and direct:
Warlord with army of the undead.
I'm having a little assistance already in building the character, and my primary concern is the flavor of the character rather then the ability to fire continent-devouring eye-lasers as a free action. Once the build nears completion I'll post more stuff.
Welcome, my friend!
I think Ransom has you covered there. Aye, will you check my math here? I think Ransom is the Bowling Ball Gatling Gun of DOOM...
- Ransom can use RoS TK to toss 96 weapons. Let's have them be orcish shotputs (base damage 2d6,19-20/x3).
- He then uses Reach and Chain on a Greater Mighty Wallop, targeting all the shotputs, for 24 size category increases.
- It seems from the size to damage progression from the SRD (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/weapons.htm#weaponSize) that every 2 increases doubles the damage die size. Thus, we would have 2d6 x 212 = 8192d6 each.
- If all of them hit, it would be 96 x 8192d6 = 786432d6 damage.
Any of that seem off to you? Of course with Suffer the Flesh shenanigans the number would be larger.
^ The 3.5 damage record uses up arrow notation! :o
This is small comparatively.
^^ How do you roll that?
It would actually be both more and less. I can Chain an RoS Greater Magic Weapon ...
I swear between this board and the other board I'm on I've learned more possible combinations for letters of the alphabet then that time Godzilla attacked the alphabet soup cannery. :)Godzilla attacked the alphabet soup cannery!
Oh god... I was telling my brother about Ransom, and he said "you have to build him at level 30 for thus and such game". What would he even be like at level 30?? :twitch
I mean, I could trivially get him to an arbitrarily high CL (seriously, getting to a CL of 1 million would take probably about 5 minutes and it would last until dispelled... that is, forever), plus with Heroics + DCFS he has as many feats (and with Improved Spell Capacity, spell slots and spell levels) as he wants. So I'm not sure what to do with that...
EDIT: did the math wrong, it would take 12 rounds to get to a CL of 1e6.
Nah, I'll just energy sub it all to Puppy damage, since who would complain at being pelted to death with adorable puppies?
BTW, with a 3e18 CL, I can throw 3e18 orcish shotputs, each of which does 2d6 * 23.75e17 base damage.
EDIT: And I already know what to do with a character that powerful -- play him in that game.
Billions? Bah. The base damage of each of those shotputs can't even be represented in scientific notation. Here's a more accurate version, according to Wolfram Alpha:
1010101.232
Sirpercival, I do think you have created a real TO monster. good job !
Or...
Create a demiplane so large and vast that the Prime Material Plane is just a pocket dimension of it. Then keep the PMP in a jar on your desk.
Or...The prime material is infinite.
Create a demiplane so large and vast that the Prime Material Plane is just a pocket dimension of it. Then keep the PMP in a jar on your desk.
I intend to build her in 3.5 Dungeons and Dragons.I meant what classes, race, that sort of thing.
She's going to be human, and I'm thinking Lower class, maybe even peasant or serf.I refered to character class (http://www.d20srd.org/indexes/classes.htm).
Okay, I can literally do this all day, so in light of that, I'm thinking the following:Yay, literalness! Would you like a kudo for it? Is that the correct singular?
Commoner 1 / Kensai (Fighter Variant) 6 / Disciple of Dispater 8Commoner? In a game this overpowered?
Okay, I can literally do this all day, so in light of that, I'm thinking the following:Yay, literalness! Would you like a kudo for it? Is that the correct singular?
Commoner 1 / Kensai (Fighter Variant) 6 / Disciple of Dispater 8Commoner? In a game this overpowered?
... Everything Ariasderros said...
With a colossal 37+ dart.... Everything Ariasderros said...
I think my brain just shot itself.
Crap, it doesn't work. Darts aren't bludgeoning.
We need to find a high damage-to-weight ratio bludgeoning weapon.
So I'd used the Deck of Many Things (we already had it, I just hadn't used it) + a Handy Haversack to hit level... 316? IIRC.How did you use the deck reliably?
Then used DCFS + Heroics, to be what I call "the 9th path to pun-pun", as with this, at epic levels, you can have whatever stats you want. Level 316 is Epic.
Haversack gives you the card you want :)
And Dark Chaos Feat Shuffle on the feat granted to you by Heroics.
EDIT: Probably for the homebrew game setting stuff.
Technically, per RAW, that trick does work.
And that's the key point. Rules as Intended vs Rules as Written.
It's stuff like this that feels like gross deviations of the spirit of the game. I won't argue any further.
And on a more on topic note, the build is continuing. Had a bit of a rough day on Thursday, and took a mental health day on Friday, so we'll see how much we can get accomplished today.
If the GM's ready and everyone else is built, you can all begin, and I can be introduced slightly later on if that's convenient for everyone.
EDIT: Or as a compromise, can I get it in black? Keep the rainbow mane and horn, of course. The white clashes with the whole EBON part of the armor / sword set.
Wait.... Black in colour, with a rainbow cape.Who?
Needs bracers of throwing daggers and a wide brimmed hat.
The wide brimmed hat may be impossible, though. At least, until WotC prints the Complete Badasses Handbook.Hat of Disguise. Even if it isn't wide-brimmed, it can become wide-brimmed.
Sarcasm, a lost art. :)Jarlaxle Baenre, a forgotten awesomeness.
Sarcasm, a lost art. :)Jarlaxle Baenre, a forgotten awesomeness.
Sarcasm, a lost art. :)Jarlaxle Baenre, a forgotten awesomeness.
I dunno, all of House Baenre felt kinda Mary Sue to me. No offense to the writing or anything but... House that held the greatest favor... all but personally shaping the flow of one of the most impressive Drow cities in existence... holding onto their political power longer then any other of the Houses...
(http://www.fybertech.com/4thread/tg_10010271/1274657327759.jpg)
I didn't remember he had bracers of throwing daggers...
he probably sails around on a giant surfboard carved to look like two swans having a kung-fu fight to the death, and...
If I had a surfboard that looked like that, I'd do the same thing.+1 :D