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Re: Discussion
« Reply #80 on: October 16, 2012, 03:07:58 PM »
Perhaps a selection of some of the true dragon stuff? Or the ability to get all of the dragonborn aspects (Heart, Wings and Mind)
Ooooh, I like this! Most of the true dragon stuff seemed kind of useless to a dragonborn, I thought.
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Re: Discussion
« Reply #81 on: October 16, 2012, 03:53:16 PM »
Hmm... that's pretty cool.

What about this:

L3, replacing Breath -- If you have the heart aspect, you add the damage to your breath weapon damage instead of as a separate ability.  If you didn't have the heart aspect, you get it, and the extra damage is delayed by 1 set.

L6, replacing Wings -- If you have the wings aspect, you gain increased flight speed & durability; if you didn't have it, you get it.

L14, replacing Presence -- If you have the mind aspect, you gain blindsight out to 10 ft per expended maneuver level; if you didn't have it, you get it.
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Re: Discussion
« Reply #82 on: January 29, 2013, 08:23:46 AM »
So, I did a whole fuckton of work on this over on gitp while the boards were down.  I'm going to go through and update everything so that this board has the most recent version.

In the mean time, here's what I'm working on, and what I need input for:

  • I'm writing up the True Devotee PrC, which will tie you to a single Ideal and eventually turn you into a true dragon of that Ideal.  I'll be using the True Draconic Power variant for inspiration.
  • I'm brainstorming a way to implement a "feat package" system, where you get different feats based on which Ideals you express.  This could be tied to a PrC, or to a feat set, or to ACFs.  My idea at the moment is to make it a PrC, where you limit yourself to 5 or so Ideals, and you assign feat packages to each Ideal.  I don't have much beyond this, however.
  • I had an idea for a PrC entered via the feats which give you access to an Ideal, and then the class turns you into a real Idealist with that Ideal.
  • I'm considering an Epic PrC and Ideal related to a certain kobold.  It'd need a new epic discipline.
  • Other PrC ideas include assassin-y, fast-progression, and high-level only prc's, but I don't have any ideas beyond that.
  • I need more feats, and some items.  Currently the only items I have in the works are the Scepter of Dragonkind (Prime's idea) and a version of Vestige Phylactery (Agita's idea).  Help?

EDIT: OK, everything's been updated and added.  This board is now current.
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Re: Discussion
« Reply #83 on: January 29, 2013, 10:50:10 AM »
Feats:
You already have an "extra ideal power uses" feat. I'd consider bumping it up to 3 or 4 uses/day instead of 2, as you normally get a lot of ideal power uses anyways.
1/day, drop an ideal and express a new one.
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Re: Discussion
« Reply #84 on: February 12, 2013, 12:05:05 AM »
May I suggest taking the 1st post of the Ideals thread and putting it in the Index/Intro thread?  Or at the very least, actually adding an "Intro" to make that thread's name correct?  Also, the 1st post of the Ideals thread could use a ToC, regardless of whether or not you move the rest of that post to the I/I thread.  Here ya go:
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If I'm feeling even more generous at some later date, I'll make a spoilered list of every Ideal, alphabetized and linked to the correct post.Here you go:
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A character's Idealist level is equal to his total levels in all Idealist classes.  An Idealist gains a total number of daily uses of Ideal powers equal to his Charisma modifier plus his Idealist Level.  An Idealist learns 3 Ideals at IL 1, and an additional Ideal at IL 2 and every 3 Idealist levels after. At 1st level, an Idealist gains the benefit of the first Ideal power from the Ideal he expresses; he gains the benefit of the next tier of Ideal powers every 4 levels after 1st (at 5th, 9th, 13th, and 17th).  He gains a total number of daily uses of his Ideal powers equal to his Charisma modifier + his Idealist level.
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As a Scaleshaper, I don't care about the specific skills right (unless the Ideal Powers directly use them)?  I only care about the Damage, Resistance, and Powers?
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Re: Discussion
« Reply #85 on: February 12, 2013, 07:50:07 AM »
I'll add a true intro at some point... lol.

ToC added, thank you for links.

As for the skills... I see now that it got lost in the shuffle during the rework, but a Scaleshaper is supposed to gain a bonus to the associated skills when he expresses and Ideal.  I'll fix the omission.
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Re: Discussion
« Reply #86 on: February 12, 2013, 10:10:17 AM »
Yay, stuff for scaleshapers!

By the way, you need more feats and maybe some magic items.   :P

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Re: Discussion
« Reply #87 on: February 12, 2013, 10:13:02 AM »
Yay, stuff for scaleshapers!

By the way, you need more feats and maybe some magic items.   :P
Yes, yes I do.  Any suggestions for feats?

I should write up the item ideas I have, I guess.
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Re: Discussion
« Reply #88 on: February 12, 2013, 10:16:25 AM »
Yay, stuff for scaleshapers!

By the way, you need more feats and maybe some magic items.   :P
Yes, yes I do.  Any suggestions for feats?

I should write up the item ideas I have, I guess.

Right now I don't, I'll see what I can come up with when I'm not at work.

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Re: Discussion
« Reply #89 on: February 15, 2013, 02:24:28 AM »
WHat exactly do you use to determine the strength of the effects of the Psionic dragon ideals? An energy ray only inflicts so much damage without a PP investment, so some clarification would be nice.

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Re: Discussion
« Reply #90 on: February 15, 2013, 06:34:13 AM »
WHat exactly do you use to determine the strength of the effects of the Psionic dragon ideals? An energy ray only inflicts so much damage without a PP investment, so some clarification would be nice.
Psi-like abilities auto-augment as if you had spent power points equal to your manifester level, which in this case equals your Idealist level.
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Re: Discussion
« Reply #91 on: April 26, 2013, 02:02:26 AM »
Wyrm of War does nothing with an idealist level of 3 or less. Boo!

Wyrm of War lets you turn one feat into a floating bonus fighter feat (starting at level 8), or one feat into TWO floating bonus fighter feats at level 16. Or, if you're actually an idealist, you can turn one feat into as much as 5 at level 20. Boo!

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« Reply #92 on: April 26, 2013, 02:05:49 AM »
Wyrm of War does nothing with an idealist level of 3 or less. Boo!

Wyrm of War lets you turn one feat into a floating bonus fighter feat (starting at level 8), or one feat into TWO floating bonus fighter feats at level 16. Or, if you're actually an idealist, you can turn one feat into as much as 5 at level 20. Boo!
Oh yeah, I'm going to change Wyrmling Ideal so that you can't take a templated Ideal.  That'll fix that.
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Re: Discussion
« Reply #93 on: April 26, 2013, 02:39:43 AM »
Wyrm of War does nothing with an idealist level of 3 or less. Boo!

Wyrm of War lets you turn one feat into a floating bonus fighter feat (starting at level 8), or one feat into TWO floating bonus fighter feats at level 16. Or, if you're actually an idealist, you can turn one feat into as much as 5 at level 20. Boo!
Oh yeah, I'm going to change Wyrmling Ideal so that you can't take a templated Ideal.  That'll fix that.

It still won't fix that floating bonus feats, and so many to boot, is far more than a Wyrmling ideal should give. My gut feeling is that it should be a flat 1 floating feat, and at the Adult level.

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« Reply #94 on: May 02, 2013, 11:26:02 PM »
Wyrm of War does nothing with an idealist level of 3 or less. Boo!

Wyrm of War lets you turn one feat into a floating bonus fighter feat (starting at level 8), or one feat into TWO floating bonus fighter feats at level 16. Or, if you're actually an idealist, you can turn one feat into as much as 5 at level 20. Boo!
Oh yeah, I'm going to change Wyrmling Ideal so that you can't take a templated Ideal.  That'll fix that.

It still won't fix that floating bonus feats, and so many to boot, is far more than a Wyrmling ideal should give. My gut feeling is that it should be a flat 1 floating feat, and at the Adult level.
OK, that works.
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Re: Discussion
« Reply #95 on: December 12, 2013, 04:20:53 AM »
Been a while sense someone posted here!

I had a few questions.

1) For a Idealist (?) that has not gained the rapid re-expression class feature, is there an option for them to be able to re-express out of combat besides resting and the 1 hour of contemplation? Can they just contemplate for 1 hour to express a new Ideal?

2) I am a little confused on how the Dragon Mage chooses it spells and would like some clarification. It draws spells known from the Ideals it knows, but then also gain a bonus spell known based on the ideal it is expressing, correct?
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« Reply #96 on: December 12, 2013, 07:08:47 AM »
Been a while sense someone posted here!

I had a few questions.
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1) For a Idealist (?) that has not gained the rapid re-expression class feature, is there an option for them to be able to re-express out of combat besides resting and the 1 hour of contemplation? Can they just contemplate for 1 hour to express a new Ideal?
Generally you're stuck with the same Ideal for the entire day, but the Draconic Treatise item lets you swap.

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2) I am a little confused on how the Dragon Mage chooses it spells and would like some clarification. It draws spells known from the Ideals it knows, but then also gain a bonus spell known based on the ideal it is expressing, correct?
You are quite correct. Your "class list" is comprised of the lists of spells from the Ideals you know, and you select from those; then, the Ideal you express gives you a floating spell from its list.
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Re: Discussion
« Reply #97 on: September 23, 2014, 02:02:11 AM »
What is the level of a scaleshaper's dragon projection for the purposes of stuff like psi-like abilities and wild cohort?

EDIT: Nevermind just found it.

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« Reply #98 on: September 24, 2014, 04:23:49 PM »
Double posting observations from build attempts:

The lack of flexibility between ideals encourages players to pick one ideal and just use it all day, every day, because they can build around it. It seems like the most optimal is to pick up one strong combat ideal (and base your build on it) and then pick up a bunch of utility ideals that you can switch to for unique adventures. This doesn't change when you get ideal re-expression, but it sort of changes when you get dual ideal. What's weird is that the wyrm warrior is less encouraged to pick up multiple combat ideals than the scaleshaper and dragonmage, despite seeming to be the primary fighty class in EotW.

Strong wyrmling ideal abilities make these classes ideal for dipping (ex: Adamantine Dragon, Yu Lung dragon). Wyrmling-level abilities seem to be all over the place, from the situational feather fall and astral familiarity to full compulsion immunity and swift personal invisibility.