Author Topic: Ritual's Bards can cast via Ritual Book (Sorted by level they can be learned)  (Read 7968 times)

Offline Muffinhugz

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I was thinking and I thought that Bards can technically learn any ritual spell. I think this because ritual caster says that the user of a ritual book can cast any spell with these parameters...
1.)The spell is half their level or below.
2.)The spell can be learned by their class naturally.
3.)A certain amount of time and money is spent copying the ritual into the ritual book.
4.)The caster meets the spell's other requirements (I.E. Mats)

        Within these parameters one could argue that Bards, at level 6 with College of Lore or level 10 as a normal class feature, have the availability to learn any classes ritual through Magic Secrets and therefore learn all ritual spells within the D&D 5e PHB at level 12(double the highest current ritual spell level) as long as they have said ritual in addition to having the materials to cast it. With this I have provided a list of all rituals Bards can learn without the spells counting towards their 22-24 maximum amount of spells they can learn, all sorted by alphabetical order as well as the level which Bards can start copying down these spells into ritual books.

Comprehend Language: Level 1(2nd Level Bard)

Identify: Level 1(2nd level Bard)

Illusory Script: Level 1(2nd level Bard)

Unseen Servant: Level 1(2nd Level Bard)

Animal Messenger:Level 2(4th level Bard)

Silence: Level 2 (4th Level Bard)

Alarm:Level 1(6th level Bard)

Augury: Level 2(6th Level Bard)

Beast Sense: Level 2(6th Level Bard)

Detect Poison and Disease: Level 1(6th Level Bard)

Feign Death: Level 3(6th Level Bard)

Find Familiar: Level 1(6th Level Bard)

Gentle Repose: Level 2 (6th Level Bard)

Leomund's Tiny Hut: Level 3(6th Level Bard)

Locate Animal's or Plants: Level 2 (6th Level Bard)

Magic Mouth: Level 2 (6th Level Bard)

Meld Into Stone: Level 3(6th Level Bard)

Phantom Steed: Level 3(6th Level Bard)

Purify Food and Drink: Level 1 (6th Level Bard)

Tenser's Floating Disk: Level 1(6th level Bard)

Water Breathing: Level 3(6th Level Bard)

Water Walk: Level 3(6th Level Bard)

Divination: Level 4 (8th Level Bard)

Rary's Telepathic Bond: Level 5(10th Level Bard)

Commune: Level 5(10th Level Bard)

Commune with Nature: Level 5(10th Level Bard)

Contact Other Plane: Level 5(10th Level Bard)

Drawmij's Instant Summons:Level 6 (12th level Bard)

Forbiddance:Level 6(12th level Bard)

Of course this is all conjecture and is completely up to whatever the DM determines is acceptable, but I did think there is a good case for arguing this loophole for Bards!

Offline awaken_D_M_golem

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I like it.  Probably comes down to a:
Can you learn it ... vs ... Did you learn it
argument.  Will read book later.


Wiz Div 6 / Lore Bard 14 for sideways soup up.
Or say Wiz Conj 2 / Lore Bard 18, with that cheese.
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Offline Arz

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Those rituals still take up a known slot. Only wizards can cast rituals from a book. Makes wiz a great dip.

Offline Nunkuruji

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I don't believe this works.

The feat Ritual Caster states you choose one class and you can add spells from that Class Spell List to your ritual book.

The Bards Magical Secret does not in any way modify the Class Spell List.

The nice thing about Ritual Caster, is that if you come across a scroll/spell book, it does not care if it is an arcane or divine version (if there is such a dividing rule in 5e), but it must be on the Class Spell List that you chose.

The interesting questions to answer for Ritual Caster are:
Whose Class Spell List has the most spells to offer as rituals?
What ritual spells are you most likely to come across in written form?
The jump to conclusions answer is Wizard: at a fast glance at the page it looks like the largest spell list, and is most likely to be written down in some form.


Without the DMG with rules on how scrolls are actually created or cost to purchase, the known rules for methods to acquire rituals would be: rely on NPC wizard spellbooks, or spellbook/scroll treasure to pick up new rituals.

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(played game, forgot book, silly aDMg)

Oraibi has a guide up, this is the classes separated list:
http://community.wizards.com/comment/51375871#comment-51375871

Tome 'Lock 3 is the other way to get the good Ritual stuff going.


With the neutering of 5e Magic Marts, iirc the PHB says
only 1st and 2nd level spells would be available.
However that's enough to get a decent ritual book going.

hmm ... more to read and consider.
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