Min/Max Boards

Becoming fully incorporeal may be more of a hindrance than a benefit, since they would no long be able to interact with the physical world,  at least without some way to turn it off. It also requires them to have all ghost touch effects on all their equipment or some way to interact with physical objects to have equipment they can use. Just something to think about while expanding on the class features.

Sorted it. It's at will instead of permanent.

Now I need to start cooking up a few more abilities that are a little more active in nature.

Well, the Necromant now does a lot of work with incorporeal undead, although a few of them might need to be expanded upon.

Oh, that's fine - I just meant you starting the threads, otherwise you wouldn't be able to edit them, which would be a bit silly.

And there's no need to post them all at once, just whenever you think they're ready for final polishing. Trying to get everything ready for We Who Once Were Thieves

BTW, Venn, I'd prefer if you posted these when you get a chance, since it'll let you edit the posts that way. I already can, it being my campaign setting and all.

Dropping this here partially as a note to myself and partially as a note to all the others who have been kind enough to work with me on these projects. I tend to work with two sizes of magic systems, full, and small. I'll eventually add the counts for everything.

Full:
3 Base Classes
10 Prestige Classes
100 "Spells"
50 Feats
4 Races
1 Skill
20 Magic Items
10 Monsters

Small:
1 Base Class
5 Prestige Classes
50 "Spells"
20 Feats
10 Magic Items
5 Monsters

Existing Systems:
Rituals - Complete
PPF - Needs Monsters, Races, Magic Items (does have a large number of new weapons). Probably needs more Feats and Prestige classes for Chronomancer & Echocaller
Runecarving - Everything
Necromantic - Everything
Osteomancy - Feats, Magic Items, Monsters
Arx - Feats, Magic Items, Monsters
Astral - Everything
Spellsong - Everything

Primeval

Primeval creatures existed when the world was young, at a time when the magic of creation had not yet been diluted. Where the lingering "creation of nature" magic was strongest, animals and other creatures of nature would gather and drink from the springs, gaining great strength and vitality in the process. These animals dominated the regions and became the ancesters of today's animals, though that granted power has waned over the successive generations. A few such springs might exist even today, but if so, no one knows where.

Creating a Primeval Creature

“Primeval”  is an acquired template that can be added to any animal, fey, plant, or vermin or other creature of nature, as appropriate to the setting (hereafter referred to as the base creature).

Size and Type: If the creature's type is animal or vermin, it change to magical beast with the appropriate augmented subtype. Do not recalculate base attack bonus, base saves, or skill points. Other types remain unchanged. Size is unchanged.
Hit Dice: Unchanged.
Natural Armour: The primeval creature's natural armour increases by +5 over the base creature.
Attack: The primeval creature retains all the attacks of the base creature.
Full Attack: A primeval creature fighting without weapons uses its natural weapons (if it has any). If armed with a weapon, it uses the weapon as its primary attack along with a natural weapon (if it has any) as a secondary attack.
Special Attacks: A primeval creature's special attacks that have specific damage dice associated with them, such as Constrict, Rend or Powerful Charge, improve in damage by one size category. The creature gains no additional special attacks.
Special Qualities: A Primeval creature retains all the special qualities of the base creature and also gains the following qualities.

• Blindsense 60 ft (Ex): Primeval creatures have powerful senses and can automatically sense the location of anything within 60 feet, provided that it has line of effect. Any opponent the creature cannot see still has total concealment (50% miss chance), and the creature still has the normal miss chance when attacking foes that have concealment. Visibility still affects the movement of a creature with blindsense and the creature is still denied its Dexterity bonus to Armor Class against attacks from creatures it cannot see.
  
• Damage Reduction (Ex): A primeval creature has damage reduction 10/magic and slashing. A primeval creature's natural weapons are treated as magic weapons for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.
  
• Fast Healing (Ex): A primeval creature heals 3 points of damage each round so long as it has at least 1 hit point. If reduced to 0 or fewer hit points in combat, it is slain.
  
• Powerful Build (Ex): Whenever a primeval creature is subject to a size modifier or special size modifier for an opposed check (such as during grapple checks, bull rush attempts, and trip attempts), the primeval creature is treated as one size larger if doing so is advantageous. A primeval creature is also considered to be one size larger when determining whether a creature’s special attacks based on size (such as improved grab or swallow whole) can affect it. A primeval creature that can wield weapons can use weapons designed for a creature one size larger without penalty. However, the space and reach of the creature remain those of a creature of its actual size. The benefits of this racial trait stack other effects that change the subject’s size category.
  
• Resistance to Cold and Fire (Ex): A primeval creature gains resistance 10 to cold and fire. It also suffers no harm from being in a hot or cold environment and can exist comfortably in conditions between -50 and 140 degrees Fahrenheit without having to make Fortitude saves.
  

Abilities: Increase from the base creature as follows: Str +6, Dex +4, Con +4, Cha +4.
Skills: A primeval creature gains a +8 racial bonus on Hide and Move Silently checks made in the type of natural terrain where it normally lives (see the "Environment" entry in the creature's description).
Environment: Same as the base creature.
Organization: Same as the base creature.
Challenge Rating: Same as the base creature +2.
Treasure: Standard
Alignment: Same as the base creature.
Advancement: By character class or as base creature.
Level Adjustment: Same as the base creature +4

And we're off. Welcome to the frozen north.

The current plan, such as it is, was for the class features to include "trash" undead (cheap, plentiful summons) and some kind of negative energy ray, along with active AoE buffs. Granted, that wasn't fully finalized by any means, more just noodling around. So, in the battle, but at the back and tossing in throw away undead to keep himself safe, while able to heal and support the actual big boys from range.

Also, Garryl, I think the Thrallherd would like a word about hordes of minions, cohorts, etc.

To-Do List (ranked by rough priority order):
Vein of Poison - Now underway
Necromantic Feats - partial
Necromancer class abilities - Only Poison to go, plus templates
Undead Grafts - Partial
Vivisector class abilities
Spellsong Prestige Classes/rest of system
Runecarver class features - partial
Runcarving Runes - partial
Activate Gateway skill
Gatehunter prestige class

Everything else.