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Reincarnate spell 3.5e
« on: September 02, 2016, 09:00:54 AM »
Hello everyone, as my group basically never really used the spell I wanted to check on it before I might use it.

In my example, my PC is a chaotic gnome who loves trying out new ways of life. So that spell looked like fun and at first I didnt mind the possible effects that much.

The correct use is just a bit confusing:

Undo ALL racial adjustments? For example: My gnome has +2DEX, +2INT, -2STR, -2WIS (Dragonlance) Would all that go to +/-0 or do I keep the INT/WIS/CHA stats?
The thing that I only GAIN changes from the new body based on STR/DEX/CON is what confuses me.
So if I use this spell as a race that gives an edge on mental stats, I would basically loose that without getting anything if I return as a race with INT or WIS bonus. Even if I reincarnated as the same race I would loose those stats and only gain/loose  based on STR/DEX/CON ?

What happens to LV adjustments ?

How do you handle changing size? Usually your size effects weapons and clothing.

You gain ALL abilities and alike of the new form but keep your feats, skills.... so no new skill/feat if I become a human, but I dont loose one either if I was a human?


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Re: Reincarnate spell 3.5e
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2016, 09:14:34 AM »
If it is read in context, it seems that only physical ability scores are modified. Since it specifically says you keep your feats and skills, I don't think going to or from human should affect those either.
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Re: Reincarnate spell 3.5e
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2016, 10:28:23 AM »
the things you loose are your physical scores.

the LA is iffy, because its is not addressed ( in the text at d20srd). I think you gain the LA if any.

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Re: Reincarnate spell 3.5e
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2016, 10:44:44 AM »
Tangentially relevant discussion:
http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1592.0

Reincarnate gets a tad funky when you squint at it for too long.

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Re: Reincarnate spell 3.5e
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2016, 08:10:25 AM »
Ah ok, so my initial thought was correct.

In case of my gnome I would just reset the physical racials (-2ST,+2Dex) and ignore the rest.
I keep all  abilities the gnome had before

I change the body and adjust the physical changes.
And I gain the new abilities.

It says you keep your feats, so I would keep a human-bonus-feat if I was one before.
But would I gain one if I became a human? Its really one of those wonky parts of the spell.
If you were a human and became a human I wouldnt allow another feat though.

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Re: Reincarnate spell 3.5e
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2016, 10:59:47 AM »
RAW... I don't know. RAI (Rules As Interpreted, by me...), I'd not give a bonus feat nor skill point for becoming a human, nor would I take those away if a human got turned into something else. I also wouldn't impose LAs from forms gained by this spell, but hey that's just me.

Here's how I'd run it:
1) You get a new young adult body. If you were old, congrats you've cheated death for a bit longer (maybe...). You keep whatever mental aging bonuses you've acrued and lose the physical ones. You don't get to "stack" bonuses by aging to venerable and being reincarnated over and over again. There's only so much wisdom you can gain from aging, no matter how old you get... I would however let people do this over and over to be "immortal" (because that kind of stuff is cool for the story).

2) You lose all the "physical" abilities of your old race (natural armor, size, etc), but keep the mental ones (e.g., telepathy). You also gain the physical abilities of your new form. Edge cases will be adjudicated individually if it's not clear if something is mental or physical.

3) Lose your old physical racial ability score modifiers and gain those of the new one. Mental ability scores are unchanged.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2016, 11:04:35 AM by phaedrusxy »
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Re: Reincarnate spell 3.5e
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2016, 08:54:44 PM »
Yeah, I read it as phaedrus does; keep mentals, body is young, alter physicals. I agree on the houserules regarding LA, age stacking, traits lost and retained, etc. They all fit the 'fluff' of the spell.

Interestingly, if one can get this or last breath (SpC, 130) cheaply enough, a 1st level character need not be dragonwrought to have venerable mental stats. 500gp or 1000gp material + chameleon5*4th level spell*10gp=200gp. 700-1200gp as a 1st/2nd level character is not insignificant, but sheesh.

As long as your build doesn't hinge on your race, this is doable; die at 2nd, go to midpoint between 1st and 2nd (for reincarnate, losing, what 500xp?) get young physical stats, keep venerable mental stats. catch up soon-ish on XP. If you can get a Contingent last breath crafted, you can do it with 2500gp.
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