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Feedback thread
« on: December 28, 2016, 06:33:18 PM »
This thread is for feedback for the other threads in this sub board.

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Re: Feedback thread
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2016, 08:28:33 PM »
Okay, first up is the Giants.


Index (I put templates in their own section, and moved Trollhound out of Trolls since it isn't actually a troll.)

TROLLS
Black Troll (Page 1)
Desert Troll (Page 1)
Gargantua Troll (Page 1)
Legacy Troll (Part 1)
Phaze Troll (Part 1)
Snow Troll (Part 1)
Stone Troll (Part 1)


OGRES
Jagre (Page 1)
Ogrima (Page 1)
Orughi (Page 1)
Stonecrown Ogre (Page 1)
Zakharan Ogre (Page 1)


GIANTS
Beasthead Giant (Page 2)
Biclops (Page 4)
Bosk Giant (Page 4)
B'rohg (Page 2)
Colossus (Page 2)
Crag Giant (Page 2)
Desert Cyclops (Page 4)
Desert Giant, Al-Qadim (Page 2)
Desert Giant, Athas (Page 2)
Fachan (Page 2)
Fhoimorien Giant (Page 2)
Forest Giant (Page 2)
Hephaeston (Page 2)
Horag (Page 2)
Ice Giant (Page 2)
Island Giant (Page 2)
Jungle Giant (Page 2)
Ogre Giant (Page 2)
Plains Giant (Page 2)
Reef Giant (Page 2)
Rom (Page 2)
Sea Titan (Page 4)
Spacesea Giant (Page 2)
Swamp Giant (Page 4)
Verbeeg (Page 1)
Voadkyn (Page 1)


TEMPLATES
Ancestor (Page 4)
Chaos Giant (Page 4)
Earth Steed (Page 4)
Gray Troll (Page 1)
Spectral Troll (Part 1)
Spirit Troll (Page 1)


PRESTIGE CLASSES (May also include racial feats)
B'rohg Gladiator (Page 4) [B'rohg]
Elder (Page 3) [Stone Giant or Spacesea Giant]
Envoy of the Ice (Page 3) [Ice Giant]
Forest Protector (Page 3) [ Forest Giant]
Guardian (Page 4) [Ogre Giant]
Kuru (Page 4) [Jungle Giant]
Mauler (Page 4) [Beasthead Giant]
Reef Pirate (Page 4) [Reef Giant]
Sand-Shifter (Page 4) [Desert Giant]
Silt Hunter (Page 4) [Desert Giant or Plains Giant]
Thunderer (Page 4) [Crag Giant]
Voadkyn Defender (Page 3) [Voadkyn]
Verbeeg Spearman (Page 3) [Verbeeg]
Wrecker (Page 4) [Island Giant]


OTHER
Giant Heritage Feats (Page 3)
Pale Horse (Page 4)
Runecaster Base Class (Page 3)
Trollhound (Page 1)




Forest Giant ranger ACF isn't finished.

Reef Giant ranger ACF isn't finished.

B'rohg ranger ACF isn't finished.

Giant's Legacy feat should specify what caster list the spell level comes from.

Epic Metarune Feats aren't finished.

You have a Fachan on page 2 (which is in the index), then another two on page 4 that aren't indexed.

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Re: Feedback thread
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2016, 05:52:58 PM »
Prestige Classes

B'rohg Gladiator isn't finished.

Reef Pirate can be bumped up to at least medium BAB.

I think everything else is okay.


I also added what giant each PrC is for and made some more adjustments to the index.

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Re: Feedback thread
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2016, 06:30:28 PM »
Runecaster


Stig (Runic Weaponry) should have a duration longer than a single attack.  Maybe one round per level?

Mazinmagisk (Runic Wonders) is unlimited free healing out of combat.  Are you okay with this?  (I'm okay with this.)

Heightened Skoldrom says "to" instead of "too".

It looks like some spells are from obscure sourcebooks.  I'm not sure how much of a concern this is.[/quote]

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Harbunad (Runic Weaponry) should state what happens to any existing magical properties.

Maug (Runic Wonders) says "spell spell".

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You have a level 8 ward rune for unhallow but not hallow.
  Hallow/Unhallow are 5th Level spells.  The Unhalow Rune provides a more powerful effect so it's 8th Level.  Smae with Holy Word/Blasphemy.


Working on Langferd now

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Re: Feedback thread
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2016, 08:12:38 PM »


Forest Giant ranger ACF isn't finished.

Reef Giant ranger ACF isn't finished.

B'rohg ranger ACF isn't finished.

Giant's Legacy feat should specify what caster list the spell level comes from.

Epic Metarune Feats aren't finished.

You have a Fachan on page 2 (which is in the index), then another two on page 4 that aren't indexed.

All fixed, I just now added the Fachans so thats why they arent indexed yet.

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Re: Feedback thread
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2016, 08:14:47 PM »
Prestige Classes

B'rohg Gladiator isn't finished.

Reef Pirate can be bumped up to at least medium BAB.

I think everything else is okay.


I also added what giant each PrC is for and made some more adjustments to the index.
Just added B'rohg so its a wip

reef pirate was a n oopsie and is fixed

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Re: Feedback thread
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2016, 08:23:28 PM »
Runecaster

FYI Strat made a pretty good rune magic system here, but it's very different from yours.

Bonus Feat says 19 instead of 10.

Also, would it be fair to grant a bonus rune feat if you already have all the feats on the list?

I'm not looking at any actual spell descriptions, just fyi (unless you have specific concerns there).

Okay, so if you learn a rune you can only use it for the uses you have the feat for, correct?  And you only learn the run once no matter how many ways you can use it?

Added other Feats.  Yes, you're correct about the runes.

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Re: Feedback thread
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2016, 08:55:44 PM »
See above for the rune comments I hit modify instead of quote again  :banghead

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Re: Feedback thread
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2016, 09:30:43 PM »
and Langferd is done.

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Re: Feedback thread
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2016, 10:24:46 PM »
How is unhallow more powerful than hallow?  Same question for blasphemy vs holy word.


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Re: Feedback thread
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2016, 01:42:17 AM »
They arent, the one rune lets you cast Hallow, and another is Unhallow 'plus the following effect'.  Most of the runes work this way.  For example theres a rune that provides the benefits of Magic Weapon, while the Heightened version provides Greater Magic Weapon.  But sometimes there was no appropriate spell of the type I needed for that Level.  Then it became the "Heightened version is the same spell plus x effect'.  Or in soem cases I think I just made stuff up wholesale.

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Re: Feedback thread
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2016, 10:41:25 AM »
They arent, the one rune lets you cast Hallow, and another is Unhallow 'plus the following effect'.  Most of the runes work this way.  For example theres a rune that provides the benefits of Magic Weapon, while the Heightened version provides Greater Magic Weapon.  But sometimes there was no appropriate spell of the type I needed for that Level.  Then it became the "Heightened version is the same spell plus x effect'.  Or in soem cases I think I just made stuff up wholesale.

Why not have a rune for Hallow and Unhallow at the same level, then extra effects on a different level?  I feel like evil Runecasters are getting shafted.

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Re: Feedback thread
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2016, 06:38:22 PM »
The 2e stuff this was inspired by had a "very" limited runic language and casting class this class is based on.  You'll notice many of the runes contain the same root words, which tend to repeat.  This kind of limited me as the words used to describe one effect were the only ones available for others as well, so it led to some difficult choices.

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Re: Feedback thread
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2016, 09:41:37 PM »
The 2e stuff this was inspired by had a "very" limited runic language and casting class this class is based on.  You'll notice many of the runes contain the same root words, which tend to repeat.  This kind of limited me as the words used to describe one effect were the only ones available for others as well, so it led to some difficult choices.

I know that 2e shafted evil characters but you don't have to do that.  You can adjust things, it's your creation.

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Re: Feedback thread
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2016, 10:34:33 PM »
ill go over the spell effects again shortly and see what I can switch around

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Re: Feedback thread
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2016, 11:26:31 PM »
ill go over the spell effects again shortly and see what I can switch around

Okay, let me know if there's anything you want my opinion on before we move to another one of these threads.

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Re: Feedback thread
« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2016, 12:37:19 AM »
It'll take a while so if theres nothing more for you in Giants you can pick another thread.

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Re: Feedback thread
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2016, 12:32:04 PM »
Bee-guiler isn't finished, should I just move on to another thread so you're not trying to work on two classes at the same time?

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Re: Feedback thread
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2016, 02:45:01 PM »
None of my threads are finished lol, but yeah it's especially unfinished.  I would at some point like your thoughts on Bee Form though.

Try hitting up the Orc thread, it has some of my oldest (i.e. most in need of revision) stuff.

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Re: Feedback thread
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2016, 05:10:54 PM »
Orcs

Index


Prestige Classes
Batu's Disciples (Page 2) [Binder]
Black Orc (Page 3) [Shadowcaster]
Blood Priest (Page 2) [Cleric]
Brawler (Page 4) [Any Martial]
Chosen of Dukagsh (Page 5) [Cleric]
The Cult of Pale Hands (Page 1) [Cleric + Monk]
Darkened Eye (Page 1) [Hexblade]
Darkwalker (Page 3) [Cleric]
Daywalker (Page 5) [Any Martial]
Eldritch Berserker (Page 1) [Arcane Spellcaster + Barbarian]
Executioner (Page 3) [Cleric]
Fist of Baghtru (Page 2) [Barbarian + Cleric]
Fist of Gruumsh (Page 1) [Warlock]
Gray Suns (Page 1) [Martial Adept]
The Horns of Amon (Page 2) [Binder]
Ice Shaman (Page 3) [Dragon Shaman]
The Incredible Orc (Page 2) [Barbarian]
Jor Assassin (Page 4) [Rogue]
Keeper (Page 1) [Divine Spellcaster]
Krugel Gaucho (Page 4) [Any with special mount]
Luthicarite (Page 2) [Cleric]
Maggots of Yurtrus (Page 4) [Cleric]
Manwu-Papas (Page 4) [Cleric]
Medicine Woman (Page 5) [Cleric]
Mindspear (Page 3) [Soulknife]
Orc Dominatrix (Page 2) [Any Spellcaster + Special (See Class)]
Orc Pirate (Page 1) [Barbarian]
Orc Redneck (Page 2) [Barbarian]
Orc Sergeant (Page 1) [Barbarian + Marshal]
Orc Thug (Page 1) [Barbarian + Rogue]
Orog Brute (Page 1) [Manifester]
Orog Juggernaut (Page 2) [Warmage]
Orog Knight (Page 1) [Martial Adept]
Orog Myrmidon (Page 3) [Shadowcaster]
Pain Manifester (Page 1) [Arcane Spellcaster]
The Pain Totem (Page 1) [Barbarian]
Pandemonicus (Page 2) [Barbarian + Spontaneous Arcane Spellcaster]
Pine Bender (Page 1) [Druid]
Red Paladin (Page 5) [Favored Soul]
Scar Mage (Page 5) [Arcane Spellcaster]
Scarsword (Page 2) [Duskblade]
Scro Warrior (Page 4) [Fighter + Monk]
Shock Trooper (Page 4) [Any Martial]
Sons of Baghtru (Page 1) [Spontaneous Divine Spellcaster]
The Soulless (Page 1) [Barbarian]
Spider Killer (Page 4) [Fighter]
Swords of Ilneval (Page 2) [Cleric]
Tanarukk Arsonist (Page 2) [Warlock]
Tanarukk Demonsword (Page 2) [Duskblade]
Tanarukk Firebreather (Page 1) [Manifester]
Tanarukk Firesword (Page 1) [Martial Adept]
Thayan Infiltrator (Page 5) [Any Martial]
Thayan Soldier (Page 4) [Any Martial]
Tigerskin Berserker (Page 1) [Barbarian + Martial Adept]
Voice of Gruumsh (Page 2) [Cleric]
Winter's Adept (Page 3) [Dragonfire Adept]
Zhentarim Slave (Page 4) [Fighter]
Zombie Chief (Page 2) [Special (See Class)]

Epic Prestige Classes
Orc Spear Master (Page 2) [Any Martial]
Scarred Veteran (Page 2) [Barbarian]

Alternate Races
Boogin (Page 4)
Jor (Page 4)
Kara-Kara (Page 4)
Krugel Orc (Page 4)
Neo-Orog (Black)(Page 5)
Neo-Orog (Red)(Page 4)
Ogrillon (Page 4)
Ondonti (Page 4)
Orog (Page 4)

Gods and Vestiges
Batu the Traitor (Page 2)

Magic Items
Juggernaut Plate (Page 2)







Pain Totem
 - What are your rage bonuses if you have no channel rage uses left?
 - Giving stat boosts for going up sizes ON TOP OF the extra high rage bonuses this class can normally get is bad.  I'd say the size increase on gives extra speed and reach (and weapon damage from equipment going up a size).

Darkened Eye
 - Dark Curse 4th and 8th level abilities need a Save DC.

Pine Bender has some pretty extreme stat bonuses.

Keeper has a pretty intense capstone.

Pain Manifester
 - Manifestation of Pain references Keeper instead of Pain Manifester in multiple sections.

Eldritch Berserker
 - Effortless Caster is a little confusing.


A couple of the classes on page 1 seem a little much, like the Soulless.

Page 1 is done, I'll do the rest later.  Index obviously isn't finished.