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Re: Madness? This! Is! MINMAX!(Or the ministry of ungentlemanly DnD)
« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2012, 02:12:17 PM »
Another question.   :P  Stats?
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Re: Madness? This! Is! MINMAX!(Or the ministry of ungentlemanly DnD)
« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2012, 03:11:43 PM »
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Re: Madness? This! Is! MINMAX!(Or the ministry of ungentlemanly DnD)
« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2012, 04:19:02 PM »
I'd be glad to participate. I'm tempted between a War Weaver build; a dragonfire Inspiration bard on crack ; and last concept, an artillery archer that kill target kilometers away... or trying to get two or three of them in the same build.
"-Lady-Captain, we detect 20 hostile vessels against us,  and Erasmus Haarlock's Spear of Destiny ! What are your orders ?
-RAMMING SPEED !

final result : 6 slaughts vessels, 4 imperial frigates, 2 imperial cruisers destroyed. Haarlock sent into the warp. 0 losses. Flawless Victory.

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Re: Madness? This! Is! MINMAX!(Or the ministry of ungentlemanly DnD)
« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2012, 05:05:41 PM »
Can I use Signature Spell to qualify for KotW so I don't need to grab spontaneous div?

EDIT: Also, how do you want to handle spellbooks?  I get a certain number of spells from each level for free, but what about stuff I picked up while adventuring?

I think I'm going to put together a 16th-level build, and then if it's different I'll alter from there.
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Re: Madness? This! Is! MINMAX!(Or the ministry of ungentlemanly DnD)
« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2012, 06:35:01 PM »
I'm surprised Kell hasn't posted here yet... And no Red Wizards? Come on, you wimps!
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Re: Madness? This! Is! MINMAX!(Or the ministry of ungentlemanly DnD)
« Reply #45 on: January 30, 2012, 06:53:37 PM »
Lol.  I've wanted to play a KotW/UM build for a long time, and I've wanted to play an SCM for a long time... so here's both.  :)  But someone else should definitely play a Red Wizard.  :D  As well as a Binder/Ur-Priest/Divine Anima Mage who ignores WBL with Dark Craft and Astaroth.  :)
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Re: Madness? This! Is! MINMAX!(Or the ministry of ungentlemanly DnD)
« Reply #46 on: January 30, 2012, 09:15:01 PM »
Lol.  I've wanted to play a KotW/UM build for a long time, and I've wanted to play an SCM for a long time... so here's both.  :)  But someone else should definitely play a Red Wizard.  :D  As well as a Binder/Ur-Priest/Divine Anima Mage who ignores WBL with Dark Craft and Astaroth.  :)
You combine SCM with Red Wizard for truly ridiculous shadow conjured node genesis shenanigans.

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Re: Madness? This! Is! MINMAX!(Or the ministry of ungentlemanly DnD)
« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2012, 01:19:23 AM »
Signature spell can qualify for KotW.

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Re: Madness? This! Is! MINMAX!(Or the ministry of ungentlemanly DnD)
« Reply #48 on: January 31, 2012, 02:02:06 AM »
Okay. This is very interesting to me. But, I have never done pbp before.
If I join I would really like to play a Bufficer / "facilitator".

Questions
1) How are you handling action points?
2) (Assuming use occurs after game start) Can DCFS + Heroics be used if kept within general reason?
3) (Assuming use occurs after game start) Can I (ab)use Extract Gift? (I like it well enough to write a handbook, so I have to ask if I can take it to the extreme, see the discussion in my sig for what I mean by "extreme")
4) You said custom items need run by you, but does that include staffs?
5) What are your feelings toward self-targeting spell-traps?
6) Would I be allowed to find some means of having my Wrights be "out of time" so that crafting doesn't slow down play? (eg. demi-plane with timeless magic trait + time stop on D-Wright)
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Re: Madness? This! Is! MINMAX!(Or the ministry of ungentlemanly DnD)
« Reply #49 on: January 31, 2012, 02:24:27 AM »
Action points: we're not using them.
DCFS + Heroics is possible
Abuse Extract Gift all you want
Your custom staves are almost certainly allowed, but post them here for my perusal.
Self-targetting spell traps are allowed.

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Re: Madness? This! Is! MINMAX!(Or the ministry of ungentlemanly DnD)
« Reply #50 on: January 31, 2012, 02:29:27 AM »
Action points: we're not using them.

Not even with Heroic Spirit?
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Re: Madness? This! Is! MINMAX!(Or the ministry of ungentlemanly DnD)
« Reply #51 on: January 31, 2012, 03:43:09 AM »
I'm hesitant to allow them, because I'm not very familiar with them. For now, let's say spells or class features that grant them still work, and then I'll read up on it.

Also, about epic spells: after doing some reading and tinkering around, I've decided we're not going to use them. My issue is that there is so little separating any epic spell user from power level: NI. If we get into epic levels, I'm going to find a suitable substitute.

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Re: Madness? This! Is! MINMAX!(Or the ministry of ungentlemanly DnD)
« Reply #52 on: January 31, 2012, 06:11:38 AM »
Allright, a few questions :
- AyeGill, what's your position on the use of Symbiotic Creature ? I'm tempted to use as a symbiot a very young Tome Dragon with a few templates to get him elligible as a symbiot for an half-orgre human. For you, does the LA cost for symbiot still stay at +1 ?
- Sirpercival, where can I get more information on this deliciously tempting Dark Craft ?

i'm currently toying with a LN primordial half-orgre human, with a Dark Half-fey Greenbound (good) Arch-dragon very young (Child of Eberron) (Spell Hoarding) Tome Dragon as a symbiot - total LA : +2.
As for the build, I was thinking of something like Wiz 3 - War Weaver 5- Hatran 5- Incantatrix 7.
the Child of Eberron will give me Druid Spells, thus the Accorn of Far travel. :smirk
the cohort I should have thanks to Hatran and Leadership will be the item crafter : Barb 1- Binder 4 Chameleon 2 Urpriest 1- Anima Mage X.c
"-Lady-Captain, we detect 20 hostile vessels against us,  and Erasmus Haarlock's Spear of Destiny ! What are your orders ?
-RAMMING SPEED !

final result : 6 slaughts vessels, 4 imperial frigates, 2 imperial cruisers destroyed. Haarlock sent into the warp. 0 losses. Flawless Victory.

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Re: Madness? This! Is! MINMAX!(Or the ministry of ungentlemanly DnD)
« Reply #53 on: January 31, 2012, 07:03:36 AM »
Dark Craft is in Book of Vile Darkness, if i recall correctly.
Also, symbiotic is allowed. But remember, with great player power, comes great CR rules abuse.

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Re: Madness? This! Is! MINMAX!(Or the ministry of ungentlemanly DnD)
« Reply #54 on: January 31, 2012, 07:24:55 AM »
Lol my guy seems kind of vanilla compared to these concepts (though quite powerful).

Dark Craft is indeed in BoVD.  If you need Spellcraft as a class skill to qualify for Ur-Priest (the 2 levels of chameleon may obviate that), don't forget Keeper of the Forbidden Lore.  My idea for Dark Craft + Astaroth abuse was to have a Thrallherd for an endless supply of willing sacrifices.  :D

Checking a few more things:
~Uncanny Forethought is ok?
~Is retraining a go? I want to get more mileage out of Spell Mastery at higher levels.  Also, if I have a magically-boosted Int when I take Spell Mastery, do I get more mastered spells?
~Does shadow reality cap at 100%, or can I go beyond?
~Fractional BAB/saves?
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Re: Madness? This! Is! MINMAX!(Or the ministry of ungentlemanly DnD)
« Reply #55 on: January 31, 2012, 07:39:25 AM »
Lol my guy seems kind of vanilla compared to these concepts (though quite powerful).

Dark Craft is indeed in BoVD.  If you need Spellcraft as a class skill to qualify for Ur-Priest (the 2 levels of chameleon may obviate that), don't forget Keeper of the Forbidden Lore.  My idea for Dark Craft + Astaroth abuse was to have a Thrallherd for an endless supply of willing sacrifices.  :D

Checking a few more things:
~Uncanny Forethought is ok?
~Is retraining a go? I want to get more mileage out of Spell Mastery at higher levels.  Also, if I have a magically-boosted Int when I take Spell Mastery, do I get more mastered spells?

The main problem with the sacrifices (for Dark Craft) is there hasn't been any concept of alignment put forth. Your SCM is neutral, and I wouldn't care either, and Hara said his would be LN. So far, neutrality is the order of the day.

Personally, I've had no good experiences with Evil campaigns (pun intended), though I have no real aversion to them if there is established agreements about conduct.

Edit: also, another question. Enhance Item feat out of ELH p114, allowed?
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Re: Madness? This! Is! MINMAX!(Or the ministry of ungentlemanly DnD)
« Reply #56 on: January 31, 2012, 07:46:40 AM »
Yes, that character (The thrallherd with an Urnima Mage thrall) was for an evil campaign that never happened...

EDIT: AyeGill, you rolled 22 antifeats for me?
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Re: Madness? This! Is! MINMAX!(Or the ministry of ungentlemanly DnD)
« Reply #57 on: January 31, 2012, 08:27:12 AM »
Retraining allowed
Enhance Item allowed
Uncanny forethought allowed
No fractional BAB/saves
Shadow Reality can surpass 100%

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« Reply #58 on: January 31, 2012, 08:27:27 AM »
Yes, that character (The thrallherd with an Urnima Mage thrall) was for an evil campaign that never happened...

EDIT: AyeGill, you rolled 22 antifeats for me?
I did?

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« Reply #59 on: January 31, 2012, 08:28:58 AM »
I remember said avorted evil campaign, I was cooking a nice little pixie DFA for it.
As for alignment, the cohort will need to be evil, thanks to Ur-Priest and to use Dark Craft. I'd say a NE Cohort, as I can't get a LE one (need at least 1 barbarian level). I can't be evil myself , if I want to be an Hatran.
Wait, I've just read again the Hatran rules. I can get a normal cohort ; I  won't only get the +2 leadership bonus from Hatran if the cohort is not a female with Ethran feat or a human male with at least one barbarian level.
here we go for the potential cohort :
- LE  human  Binder 5 Chameleon 2 Urpriest 1- Anima Disciple X : item crafter for the group.

I'll edit this post to complete the builds.
"-Lady-Captain, we detect 20 hostile vessels against us,  and Erasmus Haarlock's Spear of Destiny ! What are your orders ?
-RAMMING SPEED !

final result : 6 slaughts vessels, 4 imperial frigates, 2 imperial cruisers destroyed. Haarlock sent into the warp. 0 losses. Flawless Victory.