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value of custom item
« on: March 24, 2017, 09:29:45 AM »
How would you value a custom elixir that permanently grants the following bonuses and penalties upon imbibing:
* grow scales
* +3 stacking natural armor
* -4 charisma
* dragon breath 2d6, 3/day, DC 10+ half character level + con, 30ft line

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Re: value of custom item
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2017, 11:40:04 AM »
I'd say about 20,000 gp. +3 amulet of na is 9k, double for slotless. The bw and charisma about cancel each other.
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Re: value of custom item
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2017, 12:52:22 PM »
Considering you can get a much better breath weapon for 100 GP from Dragonborn ritual, I'd almost say there should be practiclly no charge for the breath weapon feature. 

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Re: value of custom item
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2017, 02:36:35 PM »
20k gold is a huge chunk of change for an effect that could go up in smoke next time you're hit with a Dispel Magic.  I'd say make it last a couple hours, knock off the Charisma penalty, and price them at around 700 a pop. 

For comparison, a Potion of Barkskin (CL 6) would get you the +3 Natural Armor for an hour and runs at 600 gp. 
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Re: value of custom item
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2017, 11:24:03 PM »
20k gold is a huge chunk of change for an effect that could go up in smoke next time you're hit with a Dispel Magic.  I'd say make it last a couple hours, knock off the Charisma penalty, and price them at around 700 a pop. 

For comparison, a Potion of Barkskin (CL 6) would get you the +3 Natural Armor for an hour and runs at 600 gp.
I had assumed it was instantaneous (and hence undispellable). Yes, if it is only temporary, it should be drastically less.
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Re: value of custom item
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2017, 12:09:09 AM »
20k gold is a huge chunk of change for an effect that could go up in smoke next time you're hit with a Dispel Magic.  I'd say make it last a couple hours, knock off the Charisma penalty, and price them at around 700 a pop. 

For comparison, a Potion of Barkskin (CL 6) would get you the +3 Natural Armor for an hour and runs at 600 gp.
I had assumed it was instantaneous (and hence undispellable). Yes, if it is only temporary, it should be drastically less.

I could see why you would assume that.  If that's the case, yeah 20k sounds about right.  The breath weapon needs a damage type, and should probably do more damage (2d6 isn't enough to care about by the time someone can afford a 20k item), but otherwise yeah.

That being said, I can't think of a character who would be interested in spending 20k on this item.  Someone interested in the Natural Armor isn't going to think the slotless-ness is worthwhile, and someone interested in a breath weapon already has one from class levels. 

Actually, that's a different angle to consider:  What if instead of treating it like a magic item, you allowed the drinker to retrain up to X class levels into Dragonfire Adept? 
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Re: value of custom item
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2017, 12:53:01 AM »
Wouldn't they already be a DFA if they wanted to then?

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Re: value of custom item
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2017, 08:48:52 AM »
The Breath weapon can be useful if it just scales by HD. And even a character already with a breath weapon can potentially find it useful, especially if they use Metabreath feats and have main breath on cooldown.
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Re: value of custom item
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2017, 01:20:45 PM »
If the item just flat out increased breath weapon damage by +2d6, then it would be useful.  So if you're a DFA, or Dragon Shaman, or even just a half-dragon, no matter what type of breath weapon you have, it adds +2d6 damage.

The dragon spirit cincture from MIC adds +1d6 for like 2,100 I believe.

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Re: value of custom item
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2017, 09:47:04 PM »
If the item just flat out increased breath weapon damage by +2d6, then it would be useful.  So if you're a DFA, or Dragon Shaman, or even just a half-dragon, no matter what type of breath weapon you have, it adds +2d6 damage.

The dragon spirit cincture from MIC adds +1d6 for like 2,100 I believe.

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Re: value of custom item
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2017, 08:39:50 AM »
a late thank you for all your opinions