Min/Max Boards

The Fear Injector

Half-Orc Antipaladin 3/Fighter 4
Feats: Noble Scion, Soulless Gaze, Fiendskin, Bullying Blow, Enforcer, Power Attack, Cornugon Smash

The Fear Injector uses Bullying Blow with Power Attack and deals non-lethal damage using his +1 Merciful Longsword. This triggers 3 free action demoralize checks, starting with Enforcer for the duration, then the next two increase the condition to frightened then panicked due to Soulless Gaze. Thanks to his Aura of Cowardice fear immunity means nothing to him.

In a few levels he can pick up Slippers of Battledancing^{DMGII 272} so he can add his Charisma to his attack and damage, combined with Noble Scion and Unholy Resilience he uses Charisma for everything apart from hitpoints.

Are there any other ways to substitute a different roll for a saving throw apart from the Diamond Mind Concentration maneuvers and the epic feats Dexterous Fortitude and Dexterous Will?

I am mainly interested in substituting a Fortitude or Will save in place of a Reflex save for Mettle fun but any other substitutions would be good to know about.

What ways are there to be immune to fire even in an AMF (and/or undispel-able Fire immunity)?

1. How does Echoing Spell work for spontaneous spellcasters?

I hope it does not just give the slot back otherwise you would essentially just be able to cast any number of spells of your maximum spell level -3


2. Would a Dazing Jolting Portent daze after the first save or would it provoke a second?

i.e.:
Subject attacks/casts, jolting portent triggers.
They fail the save, do they take the damage and get stunned or do they make a second save vs stunning?

Recently I was asked to guest GM an epic game for a session, the GM wants to be a player as he has a favorite NPC. I have most of it worked out apart from a couple of epic spells I want to make (they will be part of the treasure if they beat him) so I need some help putting DCs to somethings not covered in the rules.


The first one I want to make is one that essentially is the Practiced Spellcaster feat but it effects anything with a caster level. Mainly due to the caster level of the spell-like abilities of the domains (10 + DVR) being really low. If this was my game I would house rule that to be HD + DVR but I think that will be overstepping my bounds, so I want to make an epic spell for this. Chances are this is a ritual with additional casters involved.

The problem is there is nothing like this in the Epic Level Handbook. Does anyone have any suggestions on the DC for this or know of a spell like this already existing?



The second one is a last resort spell. It is meant to be a trap for anyone who manages to kill or subdue the deity. On the outside the spell looks like it increases ones DVR by 1, but what it really does is resurrect the deity in the casters body and if the caster had DVRs gives the deity +1 DVR. I am thinking that if/when the players find it there will be some ticking clock so that its harder to realise this is actually what the spell will do and get them to cast it as quickly as possible.

I would like 2 limitations on this spell, first it can only be cast once by any caster (this gives a reason as to why the deity has not just cast this spell over an over again) and the second is that it requires a sacrifice of an ally who felt real betrayal at death (so no memory editing etc, also another reason it has not been spammed by the deity).

Heres what I have so far:

    Resurrection Life +27


DVR Increase
    Natural AC +1 Fortify +17
    Fortitude save +1 Fortify +17
    Reflex save +1 Fortify +17
    Will save +1 Fortify +17
    Fire Resistance +1 Fortify +17
    SR +1 Fortify +17

Mitigating Factors
    Backlash 54d6 -54 (can this damage be increased?)
    Personal -2


What I still have to do:
    Divine AC +1
    Attack Rolls +1
    Skills +1
    Ability Checks +1
    CL Checks +1
    Turning +1
    Salient Divine Ability +1
    Saving Throw DC +1 (Both Sp's and Divine Aura)
    Senses +1 mile
    Remote Sensing +1 mile
    Block Sensing +1 mile
    Divine Aura +10 ft
    Remote Communication +1 mile
    Godly Realm +100 ft
    Travel +100lb
    Castable only once
    Betrayal of a close ally



Any suggestions on Spellcraft DCs would be appreciated.

The basic question is when you get hit with a spell that has a save do you know if it is harmless?

I was thinking of having a character with Divine Defiance ready an action to cast a save or die/suck (with the appropriate save) when you counter spell an opponents buff/heal spell. When this happens does the target of the spell know they are getting hit by a non-harmless spell?

The other day I was looking at the combat rules and found something strange under initative

Characters with uncanny dodge retain their Dexterity bonus to their AC and can make attacks of opportunity before they have acted in the first round of combat.

That's not right is it? So I looked up uncanny dodge:

Starting at 4th level, a rogue can react to danger before her senses would normally allow her to do so. She cannot be caught flat-footed, nor does she lose her Dex bonus to AC if the attacker is invisible. She still loses her Dexterity bonus to AC if immobilized. A rogue with this ability can still lose her Dexterity bonus to AC if an opponent successfully uses the feint action (see Combat) against her.

Emphasis mine. So melee gets something! Kinda, if only they had decent immediate actions.

Call me surprised. Then later on I found that Regeneration is basically just Fast Healing + Delay Death that you can turn off, nothing about non-lethal damage there.


This gets me thinking is there anything else that Piazo stealth changed? Have you come across anything like this?

There has been one thing in the back of my mind for a while, when Pathfinder is talked about there are little to no numbers supplied to back up points. By this I mean there is no statistical base for number arguments.

Questions like:
What kind of CMB do I need at each level to be a viable tripper/grappler/etc?
What kind of investment do I need to put into Acrobatics to be able to tumble past enemies?
At what level do I need to be able to fly at?
What kind of damage does CR x deal per attack/in a full attack?
What kind of resistances am I going to come up against at level x?
How high should my Fortitude/Reflex/Will saves be at level x?


So I am going to put numbers to the monsters in Pathfinder. Here is the google doc of what I am going to cover. Is there anything that I have missed that should be included? Or any other suggestions?

Everyone know Leadership is the most powerful feat as it gives you another character. But you can equally abuse the followers you gain aswell. So I present

The Tsunami Army

Build: Take Leadership at level 7, have a high charisma.

When you reach a leadership score of 25 or higher you have 163 followers, say they are all Clerics, Oracles, Druids, Inquisitors or even Adepts. They all take Allied Spellcaster, the cantrip Create Water, Gifted Adept trait for Create Water and for the level 3+ Spell Focus (Conjuration) and Bloatmage Initiate.

Go to some stragetic point in space (on the side of a mountain, in the middle of the air, on the other side of a Gate or the like) and get them to all cast Create Water. With a minimum caster level of 3 on your 1st level casters and a maximum of 9 on your 6th level casters you will be creating 1122 gallons/round of water. For added devastation make a basin out of a wall of X or fabricate one and dump the water all at once.

Wipe out cities, drown those pesky drow or even water the crops in a time of drought all with a cantrip. In context this is some real world numbers:

It would take 58 minutes and 9 rounds to fill an olympic swimming pool.
If they worked 8 hours a day they would provide water for 15,386 average American Households:


This is also using a conservative reading of Allied Spellcaster, if you can get the +1 caster level more than once for being adjacent to more than one ally this number gets stupidly big.

This is just using Pathfinder sources (including 3.5 this number can be dwarfed easily) but I am quite sure this number can be higher. Are there any caster level shenanigans in Pathfinder that I have missed?


Edit: Thanks to Halinn for directing me to the Gifted Adept trait and Maat Mons for the real world numbers.

Special: A monk may gain Ki Throw as a bonus feat at 10th level. A monk with this feat can affect creatures larger than his own size by spending 1 ki point per size category difference.

Does this mean a monk with Ki Throw can trip a creature of any size?