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Can you take Multiple Head Casting if you are a Synad?
« on: August 01, 2016, 05:28:39 PM »
MULTIPLE HEAD CASTING [GENERAL]
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So, the synad sometimes have three heads, but most of the time it has 1, but always has three minds. Can it buy the feat?
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Re: Can you take Multiple Head Casting if you are a Synad?
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2016, 05:53:33 PM »
Hey welcome back ...


Not to be a total killjoy, but Mind =/= Head.
However walking it back is quite possible.

"Multitask" is quite similar and in the same ballpark.

"Physical Description" clearly refers to it, in this case, as heads (not just minds?).

"lest their true nature be revealed."
Does this clause refer only to the physical description of the 2 ghostly heads?
Or could it be referring to a deeper level of meaning?
Normally spending 1 powerpoint lets people know you're psionic,
these guys spending 1 powerpoint reveals a secret about their Whole Race they specifically want to keep secret.


So I say maybe.
But even then it's subject to this :  " ... devoid of ... eyes, ears, mouth ... "
There's a large raft of cheese completely unavailable because of this part.

No visual targetting.
I don't think that part of the mind can hear (some other part does),
so that part is Deaf and suffers that action problem.
No mouth = mostly no V components.

C.O. can work around all this, but sans a specific guide, the average player couldn't.
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Re: Can you take Multiple Head Casting if you are a Synad?
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2016, 08:04:26 PM »
Good to be bad, on and off. The band is looking at getting back together, so I may be back to DMing again, for a while, at any rate.

Honestly, I don't know what to make of it. This is one of those... combos where there was clearly no intent of them ever working together. I'm leaning towards no. However, I did toy with the idea of "Yes, but because the other heads can't manifest naturally, you can only target yourself with your secondary manifest." (Psionic/Magic transparency)

Even then, I see this as horribly unbalancing, this breaks the action economy, big time.
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Re: Can you take Multiple Head Casting if you are a Synad?
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2016, 05:44:58 PM »
Schism is another thing to compare it to.

This clause :
" Naturally possess two or more independently intelligent heads. "

seems to be satisfied by:
" sometimes the collective or the oracle—the parts known as the submind—rises to the surface, either bypassing the overmind or mentally advising it on topics the submind is more suited to understand. "

... and is quite similar to some of what Schism does.
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Re: Can you take Multiple Head Casting if you are a Synad?
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2016, 06:44:41 PM »
Hmm. I think I've just found a way to make my rakshasa boss encounter sufficiently challenging...

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Re: Can you take Multiple Head Casting if you are a Synad?
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2016, 01:34:05 PM »
Hmm. I think I've just found a way to make my rakshasa boss encounter sufficiently challenging...
Multiheaded Rakshasas have a distinguished pedigree:  example is about as old as they come.

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Re: Can you take Multiple Head Casting if you are a Synad?
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2016, 09:25:19 PM »
Hmm. I think I've just found a way to make my rakshasa boss encounter sufficiently challenging...
Multiheaded Rakshasas have a distinguished pedigree:  example is about as old as they come.

You have a period at the end of your link which confuses Wikipedia.

Corrected link:  example is about as old as they come.

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Re: Can you take Multiple Head Casting if you are a Synad?
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2016, 05:50:54 PM »
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Re: Can you take Multiple Head Casting if you are a Synad?
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2016, 01:36:20 AM »
This seems ok for Snyads, but  looks like it might work for Dvati:
The feat requires Naturally possess two or more independently intelligent heads*; dvati can use multiple actions, just not casting, so their heads are independently intelligent.

the Normal section says
Quote from: Multi Headed Casting
Without this feat, you can never use an extra head to cast a spell while another head engages in combat or spellcasting.
This is true for Dvati.

It's a bit of a stretch (and derail), but it all fits.
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Re: Can you take Multiple Head Casting if you are a Synad?
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2016, 11:41:31 AM »
Probably not RAW, but since a synad has to blow pp for the affect I'd say its actually fine RAI. PP can do some interesting things. It's clearly balanced at 1/day.

Btw the feat you are looking at is probably replaced by one of my favorite feats: Multivoice [SS37]. With multivoice, RAI it shouldn't be allowed, but RAW it would work assuming you kept to the mental activation limitation. Wierd.

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