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Alternative Class Features Discussion
« on: February 22, 2013, 10:47:31 PM »
As the title says, this is the discussion thread for http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=8732.0.  Credit to Dead_Weasel and all those who helped him with the gleemax version, of course.

If there is anything missing from it that isn't Dragon Mag, post about it here and I'll add it to the list.

If it is Dragon Mag, I might put it in the budding Dragon Mag section but I have a feeling that Dragon will require its own handbook eventually.  If it doesn't fit nicely in the current posts allotted for it then I'll split it off.
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Re: Alternative Class Features Discussion
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2013, 05:10:26 AM »
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Re: Alternative Class Features Discussion
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2013, 05:32:35 PM »
Dang I wish that could be quoted.  I saved it as HTML and of course there's a whole lot of extra stuff to go through.  Thanks TiaC!  I'll see what I can do with it.

Edit:  I eventually just decided to make it a word document and copy the text over.  I'll make it a separate handbook though.
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Re: Alternative Class Features Discussion
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2013, 05:46:54 PM »
Is yours is more complete than/(has everything from) here: http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=8714.0
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Re: Alternative Class Features Discussion
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2013, 06:29:44 PM »
There's at least one thing I need to add from that thread that I don't have in mine, but I know of at least one thing in mine that isn't present in the other.  Funnily enough, both relate to Warforged monks.
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Re: Alternative Class Features Discussion
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2013, 09:50:40 PM »
If your willing, please double check it and make yours the better. I like yours better :)
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Re: Alternative Class Features Discussion
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2013, 09:54:04 PM »
lol, will do.
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Re: Alternative Class Features Discussion
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2013, 11:16:23 PM »
Okay, I've gone through both and added the ones I was missing from Libertad's.  I've also added the list of online ACFs that Garryl made which Libertad added as well, and I'll clean up the formatting as I get around to it.  The links are in place and obvious though, so I'm not hurrying.

So far no guide has mentioned the Avenger class though, so I've added it as a variant Assassin.
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Re: Alternative Class Features Discussion
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2013, 11:45:41 PM »
Here's a more current link to the Guide to Free D&D for the online ACFs listing. You may also wish to add some things from the Adaptations Handbook.
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Re: Alternative Class Features Discussion
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2013, 06:43:47 AM »
You have Variant Fighting Styles for Monk twice.
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Re: Alternative Class Features Discussion
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2013, 02:07:23 PM »
Fixed.
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Re: Alternative Class Features Discussion
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2013, 06:16:17 AM »
Man, I was going to come in and link to the post above to make sure it doesn't get lost but looks like you guys already have eyes on it. Btw, I didn't originally note what the Moon-Warded Ranger does, but the Armor of the Senses (L2) substitution is wis->AC in light armor (I believe its the exact same as Swordsage's) insted of the combat style feat, the Skin of the Moon grants DR/2 at night (or DR/3 under direct moonlight) instead of improved combat style and Indomitable Mind grants immunity to all mind-altering ability (except for GOOD ones) instead of combat style mastery. Needless to say, I like the L2 and L10 ones quite a bit.

Also, as for completeness of ACFs from Dragon, I was rather... thorough. I could have missed some paragraph hiding somewhere, but I paged through all of them all page by page.

That said, what I didn't do was be very wordy about a lot of abilities or note page numbers. Just article name + issue.
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Re: Alternative Class Features Discussion
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2013, 04:20:31 PM »
I've added the Psychic Rogue to the rogue's ACF list.  While technically a different class, I felt it needed to be added since Psionic Assassin and the Avenger class were added too.
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Re: Alternative Class Features Discussion
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2014, 01:04:09 AM »
Not sure if this is also for the Adaptations Handbook, but I know of a few in Complete Scoundrel
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Re: Alternative Class Features Discussion
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2014, 01:33:54 AM »
Nope, I haven't touched any of the adaptations sections for the various classes.  That's a whole 'nother project.
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Re: Alternative Class Features Discussion
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2014, 01:43:54 AM »
I guess no discussion threat on that handbook. Oh well
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Re: Alternative Class Features Discussion
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2014, 01:46:13 AM »
There's no discussion thread for that handbook because I haven't made the handbook yet.

What pages are the Complete Scoundrel class adaptations on, by the way?
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Re: Alternative Class Features Discussion
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2014, 01:55:51 AM »
At least 2 of the skill trick 3lv PrCs have one. The Uncanny Trickster replaces its bonus skill tricks w bonus defensive feats.

its part of a infinite feat loophole (Legacy Champ + Uncanny Trickster advance each other infinitely until you choose to change what class they advance)
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Re: Alternative Class Features Discussion
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2014, 01:59:44 AM »
Quote from: Jackinthegreen on May 31, 2014, 01:33:54 AM
Nope, I haven't touched any of the adaptations sections for the various classes.  That's a whole 'nother project.

When you get to working on adaptations, this can get you started.

By the way, are you ever planning on cleaning up the Free D&D section? The current link to the minmaxboards version is http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=513. Or, for your convenience, you can just copy what's in the spoiler below.

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Re: Alternative Class Features Discussion
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2014, 06:27:20 PM »
I had forgotten about the Free D&D stuff.  I'll copy the coding you provided and put a link in to your full Free D&D page.

As far as adaptations go, thanks for the start.  I'll eventually have standard class adaptations as well as PrC adaptations and include notes similar to yours on whether they work as-is or need some tweaking to function.  You'll get credit, of course.

Heh, I might as well fix the Variant Class Feature Chaining bit.
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