So... what exactly were we waiting on to get this "ball rolling" again?I was waiting on you guys to tell me what you're doing... It sounded like you were going to teleport back to the area around MD and have Kuro try to intimidate/bluff the balor while Marlowe and/or RJ try to steal the Lochnar, or something like that? But you were still working out how to do a disguise/bluff/forgery. Right? So give the word, and you guys are off. Also, make your Forgery rolls or whatever else needs to be done.
Snapping the book closed, Xuuvosic looks up, "OK fuck it. Lets do this. Here's the plan? Marlowe RJ get the package. Raoul you're distracting Chokes-on-Dicks with the forgery. A disguise just ain't gonna cut it. Cade, you're with me assisting with pick-up from the pit. Gimme a buzz with the sending stone when ready to split. I'll do the drop off right in the middle of camp. Are we good to go?"
I guess we're assuming Raoul to be the first one out, then?Well, I was... given Xuuvosic asked for him, and he posted first... I guess it doesn't have to be that way, though. It won't make any difference, really. So if the rest of you want to say you came out first, that's fine with me.
So... Pime Taradox? :PYeah... Raoul always wondered what caused him to start skipping through time randomly, right? Well... now he knows. :P
Looks that way. Well, we were warned about this sort of thing happening...She can activate her collar to get Hide in Plain Sight. Alternatively or in addition, are the demons considered flat-footed against, you know, sudden bolt of lightning out of nowhere? If so, Umbral Awn's ability for a Hide check as an Immediate Action may be applicable.
So what do we do now? Maybe Ris-Janna can still use this as a distraction to go searching around, but she's not going to be able to escape notice right in the middle of everyone's attention being focused on our general area. I don't think Cade has any ability to facilitate that, either.
Well, I'm not entirely sure WHAT exactly happened to Raoul. For all I know he exploded as a result of Pime Taradox.Tune in next time, as Cade scoops up Raoul with a shovel and a bucket. :lol
So are you guys waiting on an update? Is Cade just chillin' in the pit, with all the boys and ghouls?
Well... it would require talking to demons, but it was only halfway joking. It is an option that you guys could try, no joke. I expect it would prove more fruitful than searching the whole city inch by inch...I can definitely see Ris-Janna and Marlowe "gathering information" by sneaking up on random demons, asking "where's the Lochnar?", and then murdering them if they don't answer in a satisfying manner. And murdering them anyway if they do.
Well... it would require talking to demons, but it was only halfway joking. It is an option that you guys could try, no joke. I expect it would prove more fruitful than searching the whole city inch by inch...I can definitely see Ris-Janna and Marlowe "gathering information" by sneaking up on random demons, asking "where's the Lochnar?", and then murdering them if they don't answer in a satisfying manner. And murdering them anyway if they do.
I thought we had agreed to not use that list anymore because it was a huge pain in the ass for everyone involved anyway? :PSure.
EDIT: Looking at the Shadowlord's Shadow Jump class feature, it references Dimension Door, but doesn't seem to have the self-only clause many other DimDoor SLAs have. So does that mean Ris-Janna could pull Marlowe along on a jump?
I was sort of waiting until Raoul woke up before doing anything, so I suppose not.He's awake. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
Hmm, new post on character sheet thread with nothing more than a picture of a kobold pimp and "Placeholder".I'm really hoping this is just him jumping the gun and not because Pun-Pun is time-traveling in order to exercise his pimp hand.
So, I assume you're all going with Xuuvosic? If not, let me know. ;)Hey, Raoul isn't getting out of that pit until they make sure he isn't around again.
I think HoV is still active.Heh. I sure as hell considered it, but decided I didn't have time to learn a new system...
Also, I just noticed that Venn and I are both players in this game, phaedrus and Venn are players in games that I run, and I'm a player in a game Venn runs. So now all we need is for phaedrus to jump into Hunter's Moon and the circle is complete.
Also, I just noticed that Venn and I are both players in this game, phaedrus and Venn are players in games that I run, and I'm a player in a game Venn runs. So now all we need is for phaedrus to jump into Hunter's Moon and the circle is complete.I would totally play a War-Frenzy in Fanged Crater. :<
You'd need to start a game where phaedrus and I were players to maintain the balance. :PAlso, I just noticed that Venn and I are both players in this game, phaedrus and Venn are players in games that I run, and I'm a player in a game Venn runs. So now all we need is for phaedrus to jump into Hunter's Moon and the circle is complete.I would totally play a War-Frenzy in Fanged Crater. :<
/mostly kidding
I have been considering doing something with DFRPG for a good while, but I'm unlikely to run anything until the DF campaign I currently DM on IRC ends.You'd need to start a game where phaedrus and I were players to maintain the balance. :PAlso, I just noticed that Venn and I are both players in this game, phaedrus and Venn are players in games that I run, and I'm a player in a game Venn runs. So now all we need is for phaedrus to jump into Hunter's Moon and the circle is complete.I would totally play a War-Frenzy in Fanged Crater. :<
/mostly kidding
Alternatively, you, Kuroi, and phaedrus are still around. We could always do a hard reboot of a certain campaign that left off at a rather interesting point...It's been a long while, though, so there's bound to be some disconnect/inertia with characters... at least, I know I'd feel it.
You mean the one where our band of awesome travelled around Eberron and spread the power of METAL?You'd need to start a game where phaedrus and I were players to maintain the balance. :PAlso, I just noticed that Venn and I are both players in this game, phaedrus and Venn are players in games that I run, and I'm a player in a game Venn runs. So now all we need is for phaedrus to jump into Hunter's Moon and the circle is complete.I would totally play a War-Frenzy in Fanged Crater. :<
/mostly kidding
Alternatively, you, Kuroi, and phaedrus are still around. We could always do a hard reboot of a certain campaign that left off at a rather interesting point...
I have been considering doing something with DFRPG for a good while, but I'm unlikely to run anything until the DF campaign I currently DM on IRC ends.Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm about to start up two side-by-side IRC campaigns using that system. It's going to be a lot of work, especially since at the start I'm going to be managing four separate narratives at once and trying to synch them up, then repeating that for the other campaign. And if I actually have the players interact across games like I was planning...
You cannot imagine how hard I was kicking myself when FC was rerecruiting and the War-Frenzy was still in the early stages of design.
It's been a long while, though, so there's bound to be some disconnect/inertia with characters... at least, I know I'd feel it.Hard reboot in many ways. The character sheet thread practically had a revolving door, Eddie's sheet alone would have sent some DMs into shock, by the end we were down to three players where we had a cast of many before, and option paralysis pretty much killed it. At the very least, everyone would rebuild characters so they were easier to manage on everyone's part. System switching might even be on the table. We'd either reset the narrative to the beginning or do a timeskip. But you're right, it might be hard to get back into the swing of playing a murderous young demonic girl hey wait just a damn minute here. :P
Also, we kind of got up to some ridiculously ridiculous shit there with that ship.
But you're right, it might be hard to get back into the swing of playing a murderous young demonic girl hey wait just a damn minute here. :PRis-Janna is an adult and if you claim otherwise/point out she doesn't look it she will wear your kidney stones as a necklace, okay? :P
I have been considering doing something with DFRPG for a good while, but I'm unlikely to run anything until the DF campaign I currently DM on IRC ends.Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm about to start up two side-by-side IRC campaigns using that system. It's going to be a lot of work, especially since at the start I'm going to be managing four separate narratives at once and trying to synch them up, then repeating that for the other campaign. And if I actually have the players interact across games like I was planning...
You cannot imagine how hard I was kicking myself when FC was rerecruiting and the War-Frenzy was still in the early stages of design.It's been a long while, though, so there's bound to be some disconnect/inertia with characters... at least, I know I'd feel it.Hard reboot in many ways. The character sheet thread practically had a revolving door, Eddie's sheet alone would have sent some DMs into shock, by the end we were down to three players where we had a cast of many before, and option paralysis pretty much killed it. At the very least, everyone would rebuild characters so they were easier to manage on everyone's part. System switching might even be on the table. We'd either reset the narrative to the beginning or do a timeskip. But you're right, it might be hard to get back into the swing of playing a murderous young demonic girl hey wait just a damn minute here. :P
Also, we kind of got up to some ridiculously ridiculous shit there with that ship.
That could happen pretty much no matter what barring a system change. Of course, if I'm throwing one at you, I'd probably want at least half a dozen trials. You know, so the results are statistically significant.But you're right, it might be hard to get back into the swing of playing a murderous young demonic girl hey wait just a damn minute here. :PRis-Janna is an adult and if you claim otherwise/point out she doesn't look it she will wear your kidney stones as a necklace, okay? :P
(Also slightly different kinds of psycho.)
More importantly, I would totally take the opportunity to try and puppy-eye you into playing guinea pig for veekie's and my homebrew.
Hey, I'd actually be playing a shotaro Alucard. Do you have any idea how hard it is to get into character for that? :POh god, that's right, you weren't just a normal necropolitan dread necromancer/rainbow servant. That would be too easy.
That could happen pretty much no matter what barring a system change. Of course, if I'm throwing one at you, I'd probably want at least half a dozen trials. You know, so the results are statistically significant.I'm not sure what the second and third sentences mean here in context of the first.
So long as we don't change systems, we could test your homebrew even if we don't have a player using War-Frenzy.That could happen pretty much no matter what barring a system change. Of course, if I'm throwing one at you, I'd probably want at least half a dozen trials. You know, so the results are statistically significant.I'm not sure what the second and third sentences mean here in context of the first.
Hmm... what kinds of systems have you considered? Off the top of my head...There's also Solo and Childe's baby, Legend. It lends itself well to games either played straight or not taken seriously at all.
Pathfinder is the closest to D&D, and close enough that homebrew can be ported over with little problem. It's also a can of worms of the raeg kind, of course.
DFRPG can be used for Eberron pretty much straight (and it's one of the ideas I've been tossing around myself), albeit at a more down-to-earth feel (and power level) than the original campaign.
Exalted would be pretty much the feel and power level of the old campaign. :p Come to think of it, Lucy and Kuroi's character would pretty much be Abyssals right out of the box. And there are charms for killing shit with music.
Other weird shit: I'm sure someone has made an indie game involving the power of metal out there. I just haven't found it yet. M&M works for anything. Magical Burst and MAID are just fun.
I think a Tome game and/or homebrew 3.5 would be my preference. I don't really have a lot of time to learn entirely new systems, and like the convenience of having everything accessible online. I do most of my posting/playing from work (Shhh... don't tell my boss. :P ).I had 25 fewer posts before I went in to work today. :P
You mean the one where our band of awesome travelled around Eberron and spread the power of METAL?
Spammer. :PI think a Tome game and/or homebrew 3.5 would be my preference. I don't really have a lot of time to learn entirely new systems, and like the convenience of having everything accessible online. I do most of my posting/playing from work (Shhh... don't tell my boss. :P ).I had 25 fewer posts before I went in to work today. :P
Says the guy who just made a one-word post. :PSpammer. :PI think a Tome game and/or homebrew 3.5 would be my preference. I don't really have a lot of time to learn entirely new systems, and like the convenience of having everything accessible online. I do most of my posting/playing from work (Shhh... don't tell my boss. :P ).I had 25 fewer posts before I went in to work today. :P
I'm afraid you've got me there.Says the guy who just made a one-word post. :PSpammer. :PI think a Tome game and/or homebrew 3.5 would be my preference. I don't really have a lot of time to learn entirely new systems, and like the convenience of having everything accessible online. I do most of my posting/playing from work (Shhh... don't tell my boss. :P ).I had 25 fewer posts before I went in to work today. :P
Agita, do you have a cunning plan in mind that I'm missing, or were you just going to send the warmage into the dead magic zone because he was hitting on you? :pOf course, Ris-Janna has a brilliant plan to find out whether Raouls is secretly fireproof and just never knew it. Duh. :flutter
Half-Life's G-Man. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll08ktN6Y24) He has a habit of turning up in bizarre places to watch you as you progress, then vanishing just as quickly. He also has a distinctly stilted manner of speaking that sounds very much like I imagine Ris-Janna's does.Agita, do you have a cunning plan in mind that I'm missing, or were you just going to send the warmage into the dead magic zone because he was hitting on you? :pOf course, Ris-Janna has a brilliant plan to find out whether Raouls is secretly fireproof and just never knew it. Duh. :flutter
Also, I have no idea who that is, but from the look of his mug, the analogy is probably not inaccurate.
That works fairly well, yes.Half-Life's G-Man. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll08ktN6Y24) He has a habit of turning up in bizarre places to watch you as you progress, then vanishing just as quickly. He also has a distinctly stilted manner of speaking that sounds very much like I imagine Ris-Janna's does.Agita, do you have a cunning plan in mind that I'm missing, or were you just going to send the warmage into the dead magic zone because he was hitting on you? :pOf course, Ris-Janna has a brilliant plan to find out whether Raouls is secretly fireproof and just never knew it. Duh. :flutter
Also, I have no idea who that is, but from the look of his mug, the analogy is probably not inaccurate.
Incidentally, is the phane in the DMZ right now?Yep. Which is probably for the best. You guys feel free to make Knowledge (Planes) checks, if you want to see what your characters remember about them.
Yeah, I'm just as boned as you guys are in this situation. I'm not fireproof and I can't take the thing on any better than you guys can. Our best bet is to get out of here with the artifact as fast as possible. No level 8 character is meant to stack up against any epic monster. :P
I never thought I'd say this, but why can't we, for once, find ourselves facing a volcano made of lightning instead of lava? Now that's where I'd shine! Well, at least I'd be immune to it, anyway.
I'll be sure to throw one of those in the next arc. And just for Venn, it will be made of lightning. :PYeah, I'm just as boned as you guys are in this situation. I'm not fireproof and I can't take the thing on any better than you guys can. Our best bet is to get out of here with the artifact as fast as possible. No level 8 character is meant to stack up against any epic monster. :P
I never thought I'd say this, but why can't we, for once, find ourselves facing a volcano made of lightning instead of lava? Now that's where I'd shine! Well, at least I'd be immune to it, anyway.
Because fire is the single most common immunity in all of D&D and everything that isn't immune to it can be killed by submersion in lava? Seriously, the only thing that can potentially outdamage lava as an environmental hazard is a black hole, and those don't come up too often!
Hm... Is this this just in the middle of the volcano inside the lava, I wonder? Or is there going to be a staircase inside leading to some protected shelf inside? Because I could just pick X up and throw him in to help save time... :PYou don't see any staircases or anything like that inside the volcano. It just looks like a giant open pit, with sheer walls, filled with lava (inside a large dead magic zone).
Not that I want to make this any more challenging for Fruuzberglag (who is the very model of a modern balor general), but shouldn't those iteratives cap off at -5? (Assuming you're pulling from his stat block for the duplicate, this should benefit us indirectly too.)Yeah, I forgot we were doing that... It wouldn't have mattered much (except that he definitely should have power attacked for more :P ).
Also, at some later date (possibly the next time we level), would you object strongly to me swapping around a few things on my sheet? Namely, one or two spells and changing Rapid Shot for Two-Weapon Fighting/some defensive Tome feat.
Yeah, in retrospect there was absolutely no reason to take Rapid Shot when TWF was available. Not quite sure what I was thinking there.If you want... go ahead and swap things out, if it's a quick and easy fix.
Should be. As far as I remember, I've used Rapid Shot a grand total of once, way back in the first encounter. We'll just pretend I wished up an extra crossbow while I was at it, since those are use-activated and don't count toward the item limit.Yeah, in retrospect there was absolutely no reason to take Rapid Shot when TWF was available. Not quite sure what I was thinking there.If you want... go ahead and swap things out, if it's a quick and easy fix.
Sure.Should be. As far as I remember, I've used Rapid Shot a grand total of once, way back in the first encounter. We'll just pretend I wished up an extra crossbow while I was at it, since those are use-activated and don't count toward the item limit.Yeah, in retrospect there was absolutely no reason to take Rapid Shot when TWF was available. Not quite sure what I was thinking there.If you want... go ahead and swap things out, if it's a quick and easy fix.
Alright, done.Sure.Should be. As far as I remember, I've used Rapid Shot a grand total of once, way back in the first encounter. We'll just pretend I wished up an extra crossbow while I was at it, since those are use-activated and don't count toward the item limit.Yeah, in retrospect there was absolutely no reason to take Rapid Shot when TWF was available. Not quite sure what I was thinking there.If you want... go ahead and swap things out, if it's a quick and easy fix.
We made Knowledge checks about the Phane, but has anyone made a check for the double?Are we counting the ones we made earlier in the ruins? Knowing about the phane's time duplicate shenanigans would probably be covered under the check we made for the phane.
I'm almost positive he'd have some sort of Freedom of Moveme--wait, that's right, DMZ. Problem is, our only fireproof party member probably can't grapple a balor.For that matter, I'm pretty sure balors are themselves fireproof.
If it's RJ and Raoul, I'm not so sure we'd be faking. :P"Alright, you have to pretend you're trying to kill me."
Yes, but not suffocation-proof. Even if lava is nothing but a nice relaxing bath to you, filling your lungs with it won't end well.I'm almost positive he'd have some sort of Freedom of Moveme--wait, that's right, DMZ. Problem is, our only fireproof party member probably can't grapple a balor.For that matter, I'm pretty sure balors are themselves fireproof.
We could try to take the clone on with some serious assymetric tactics (read: Debuff and Rocket Tag his flaming ass), I suppose.So, Cade and RJ try their hardest to beat the everliving daylights out of it, Marlowe introduces it to a death attack or four and then follows up with Ray of Exhaustion/Unluck if it leaves the DMZ, and Raoul fires some conjurations its way?
A) Fake intra-party dissension. Requires us to trust each other ICly enough to both get that we're pretending, and be competent enough at lying to fool the time-clone.Definitely a possibility, but we'd need to provide the balor with enough of an incentive to keep us alive when the phane doesn't want us that way.
Raoul is a fairly competent liar if you guys wanna go with that.
I can't decide whether fighting it in the DMZ would be more of a detriment to us than to it.Almost definitely to us, as in the DMZ, it's still a beast, just not a magical beast, whereas we lose all our gear and a good number of class abilities in it. (Also, remember how the last DMZ ground the game to a halt just from figuring out what we keep and what we lose?)
Yes, but not suffocation-proof. Even if lava is nothing but a nice relaxing bath to you, filling your lungs with it won't end well.I'm almost positive he'd have some sort of Freedom of Moveme--wait, that's right, DMZ. Problem is, our only fireproof party member probably can't grapple a balor.For that matter, I'm pretty sure balors are themselves fireproof.
Anyway, option one:We could try to take the clone on with some serious assymetric tactics (read: Debuff and Rocket Tag his flaming ass), I suppose.So, Cade and RJ try their hardest to beat the everliving daylights out of it, Marlowe introduces it to a death attack or four and then follows up with Ray of Exhaustion/Unluck if it leaves the DMZ, and Raoul fires some conjurations its way?
Could work. Like Venn pointed out, it's very likely to leave us smeared across the caldera, but it could work. It's more feasible than attacking the original, but that's not saying very much.
I can't decide whether fighting it in the DMZ would be more of a detriment to us than to it.
Option two:A) Fake intra-party dissension. Requires us to trust each other ICly enough to both get that we're pretending, and be competent enough at lying to fool the time-clone.Definitely a possibility, but we'd need to provide the balor with enough of an incentive to keep us alive when the phane doesn't want us that way.
Raoul is a fairly competent liar if you guys wanna go with that.
1) How are we supercooling enough lava to do this in a DNA?
2)How do we do it while allowing X to still get out?
So basically we need to actually let him go after X for that to work.What specific spell are you thinking of using?
Assuming the spell could work that way. Phaedrus, what are the odds of that working out?
So basically we need to actually let him go after X for that to work.What specific spell are you thinking of using?
Assuming the spell could work that way. Phaedrus, what are the odds of that working out?
It's in the post with your character sheet (it's at the gaming den): http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=728.msg3987#msg3987So basically we need to actually let him go after X for that to work.What specific spell are you thinking of using?
Assuming the spell could work that way. Phaedrus, what are the odds of that working out?
Well, I'm gonna need to use something conjuration-based, but I can't see my spell list on account of the fact I had a link to the warmage fix we're using for this in the old boards, and now I don't...
It's in the post with your character sheet (it's at the gaming den): http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=728.msg3987#msg3987So basically we need to actually let him go after X for that to work.What specific spell are you thinking of using?
Assuming the spell could work that way. Phaedrus, what are the odds of that working out?
Well, I'm gonna need to use something conjuration-based, but I can't see my spell list on account of the fact I had a link to the warmage fix we're using for this in the old boards, and now I don't...
Edit: The modified spell list is in the first post here:
http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=729.msg3990#msg3990
Aren't the Orb of X spells also Conjuration?
Also, do we know just where the DMZ extends to?No, but you know it at least extends behind and in front of your positions for at least 100 feet or so. Without mapping it out by walking/flying around and "probing" it, there's no real way to tell for sure.
OK, new house rule to consider: All save DCs are determined using exactly the same mechanic: 10 +1/2 HD + relevant stat modifier (just like Supernatural abilities). Feats, special abilities, and what-not that boost saves would still apply on top of that. This would help lower level spells stay relevant at higher levels of the game.
Thoughts?
So I'm thinking you guys deserve a couple more levels. You can retool your character sheets as you hash out what to do next in character. Sound good?Sounds awesome.
So I'm thinking you guys deserve a couple more levels. You can retool your character sheets as you hash out what to do next in character. Sound good?Sounds awesome.
Is that "a couple" as in "two" or "a couple" as in "a yet unspecified number, typically less than five"? :P
I'd note that the second definition technically includes "one", though "a couple" traditionally implies plural.So I'm thinking you guys deserve a couple more levels. You can retool your character sheets as you hash out what to do next in character. Sound good?Sounds awesome.
Is that "a couple" as in "two" or "a couple" as in "a yet unspecified number, typically less than five"? :P
I second the question. I mean, THEORETICALLY, we DID beat an epic-level monster there...
Two. You didn't beat an epic monster so much as avoid being squished by it, by running away while it was pre-occupied. :P (Which is always a sound plan vs. something way over your head...)So I'm thinking you guys deserve a couple more levels. You can retool your character sheets as you hash out what to do next in character. Sound good?Sounds awesome.
Is that "a couple" as in "two" or "a couple" as in "a yet unspecified number, typically less than five"? :P
Works for me.Two. You didn't beat an epic monster so much as avoid being squished by it, by running away while it was pre-occupied. :P (Which is always a sound plan vs. something way over your head...)So I'm thinking you guys deserve a couple more levels. You can retool your character sheets as you hash out what to do next in character. Sound good?Sounds awesome.
Is that "a couple" as in "two" or "a couple" as in "a yet unspecified number, typically less than five"? :P
9th-level featI fully support 32-foot Cade, but Wings of Evil may be more useful if we end up in a DMZ again. Does anyone else get a means of giving other party members flight? Ris-Janna is getting Air Walk from Shadowlord as a second-level spell, for what it's worth, though she can use that herself.
I'm in favor of Wings of Evil, given how frequently we've been running across DMZs.I don't plan on using any DMZs again anytime soon, maybe ever. I know you guys are sick of them, and so am I.
Excellent. Huge Cade is a go, then.I'm in favor of Wings of Evil, given how frequently we've been running across DMZs.I don't plan on using any DMZs again anytime soon, maybe ever. I know you guys are sick of them, and so am I.
As to which version of the Tomes I'm using, I usually pull stuff from the wiki version, or the gaming den website (if its not on the wiki). I doubt it will matter much, but if you notice two different versions of something that you want to use, bring it up and we'll discuss which one to use. Some things I know were originally pretty breakable and were nerfed a bit later (IIRC Blitz, or whatever the feat is that adds a high-DC save or be screwed to every attack, was nerfed to only trigger once per target per round).Combat School, I think. Not my cup of tea since it's melee-only. If Blitz works with ranged attacks, it might be a pretty decent investment.
Oh and as a reminder, while you guys are still in the "Wish economy", I put a cooldown timer on how often you can get a Wish from Sammy. IIRC, it was 15 minutes or something. So while stockpiling 15k items is fine, as is emulation of the occasional high level spell, don't plan on giant buff lists like we had at one point. This should make the game much more manageable, both for me as well as for you guys I think. At least some of the NPCs will likewise be running under similar restrictions/rules, FWIW (of course most NPCs in the game won't even know of the "Wish economy", but many of the ones you actually give a crap about will :P ).We're still pulling our items from the list you have in the houserules section, yes? So we can have one item worth up to 18k, one worth up to 25k, and then all the rest up to 15k?
And I just want to say that I am really psyched that you guys are all still active in the game, and I am looking forward to continuing it. I have some creative juices flowing again for this game, but finding time to stat out NPCs will be hard. So while there may be occasional multi-day delays, I don't anticipate the game dying anytime soon, as long as you guys are still into it. I think things have the possibility to get pretty interesting in the near future in this game. And feel free to try/suggest creative ideas/solutions for things. You guys are freakin' time travelers, in the past. That opens up all kinds of insanity. :DFor starters, Marlowe has to start drawing up his casefile.
Another handful of questions:
- Should I just skip Unseen Seer entirely and get Hunter's Eye another way? Or do I even need it at this point? Assassin's Stance will give me a couple sneak attack dice for the times when a full-fledged death attack is unfeasible, and going into Unseen Seer seems like a really roundabout way of doing things.
- On that note, is picking up a 3rd level stance when I dip into swordsage acceptable? By RAW, it should be a 1st level stance, but it seems a bit silly that you can pick up higher level maneuvers when starting a martial adept class and not a higher level stance.
Wait, what? That doesn't make much sense. Your initiator level is what determines your highest level maneuver/stance, right? Stances typically have a requirement of "X maneuvers of X discipline", but never any note on levels. So what seems to be the problem?Swordsage (and off the top of my head, all martial adept classes) specifically says that the stance you get at your first swordsage level is a 1st level stance. The wording makes it sound very much like that should be different if you enter the class at a later level, but going strictly by the book, someone who took twelve levels of crusader and then one level of swordsage would have to take a 1st level stance.
...I just noticed that my Dex bonus smacks up against the max Dex bonus of every single armor. I loled.
I should retrain RJ's skills to max Ride, take Mounted Combat, and have her sit on Cade's shoulder.Oh god... so wrong on so many levels.
I bet Raoul would love that.Looking through the list, the highest possible Dex bonus is +8. So I guess applying mithral to one of those ought to solve the problem.
Say, I wonder how close Marlowe is to that cap... :p
If you take Expert Counterfeiter, I'm not sure what the hell we're going to replace the last ability with, since scrolls don't work like they normally do in my games... But don't let that dissuade you. I'm sure we can come up with something suitable. Maybe you can get immunity to divinations by actually changing your name in the Book of Life, or something insane like that. :PIt's more the fact that right now we've had very little time to put diplomatic skills to use. But it could certainly work depending on the approach we take to eradicating Pun-Pun.
And since we're using the feats to let you pick up whole sets of thematic spells via Obtain Sphere, you could put together an Assassination sphere (including Hunter's Eye) and take a feat to get that instead of just a single spell via Extra Spell, if you wanted, Boz.
Look at the feats Attune Domain and Attune Sphere. (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Tome_of_Fiends_%283.5e_Sourcebook%29/Spheres_and_Feats#The_Feats) The Fiendish Spheres are here (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Tome_of_Fiends_%283.5e_Sourcebook%29/Spheres_and_Feats#Fiendish_Spheres), plus there's Xuuvosic's custom one we made for him, and another custom one I'm using with a PC in another game, which I'll copy to the houserules in case you guys want to use them.And since we're using the feats to let you pick up whole sets of thematic spells via Obtain Sphere, you could put together an Assassination sphere (including Hunter's Eye) and take a feat to get that instead of just a single spell via Extra Spell, if you wanted, Boz.
Can you give me more details on that? Raoul could use more options beyond "blast, blast, tentacles, a little fog, tentacles on fire, blast".
Ooh! Both Force and Dominion have some nice stuff. But would the abilities that operate off of Int modifier use Cha instead?That's how I am playing it. I'm playing a variant Conduit with those two spheres + Terror in a game SirPercival is running.
So, possible spells for an Assassination sphere:There were some quite good assassin spells for the official PrC released in later splatbooks. I'd look through those. I remember some letting you make Death Attacks quicker, from farther away, etc. What's that spell that turns an arrow into an Arrow of Slaying? That certainly seems appropriate.
- Cloud of Knives
- Hunter's Eye
- Bloodfreeze Arrow
- Hunter's Mercy
Any others that I'm overlooking?
I've been brainstorming about what to do with the new levels. The next level of Conduit is a bit underwhelming, so I've been entertaining some 'outside the box' options. Ideally I'd like to take a level of sphere Warlock (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Warlock_(3.5e_Class)) and one of Legendary Strategist (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Legendary_Strategist_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)). The latter has a requirement of having held a rank. I'm hoping that having done a bunch of errands for the Blood War plus missing time in his background will be sufficient.
Also, the feat Stoning Gaze (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Stoning_Gaze_(3.5e_Feat)) appeals to me. Would it be possible to get an eye-patch or shades that can be flipped up as a free action? If so what would it cost?
There were some quite good assassin spells for the official PrC released in later splatbooks. I'd look through those. I remember some letting you make Death Attacks quicker, from farther away, etc. What's that spell that turns an arrow into an Arrow of Slaying? That certainly seems appropriate.I did do a little poking around in that respect. Arrowsplit, Heart Ripper, Deathsight, Find the Gap, Wraithstrike...I'd use the core caster level rather than the actual assassin level if one exists, correct?
Bit of a Stonewall Jackson, then?
Also, the feat Stoning Gaze (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Stoning_Gaze_(3.5e_Feat)) appeals to me. Would it be possible to get an eye-patch or shades that can be flipped up as a free action? If so what would it cost?Considering what Xuuvosic's cover identity used to be, I imagined something entirely different at first.
:lolAlso, the feat Stoning Gaze (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Stoning_Gaze_(3.5e_Feat)) appeals to me. Would it be possible to get an eye-patch or shades that can be flipped up as a free action? If so what would it cost?Considering what Xuuvosic's cover identity used to be, I imagined something entirely different at first.
Sorry, I should have run the technicalities involved by you. Right now Xuuvosic is Fiendish but only has the outsider type by virtue of the Otherworldly feat. So he currently qualifies for Conduit and the Greater Teleport feat but not Warlock. I'd like to utilize Psychic Reformation as a wish from Sammy to redo X's feats and skills from the ground up. The new version of X would drop Otherworldly and Greater Teleport (and sadly a bunch of skill points) in order to meet the non-outsider requirement of a Warlock dip, while still meeting the lower plane extra-planar requirement of Conduit. Mechanically, this speeds up sphere access, while also leaving room for that rather marvelous Legendary Strategist dip. From a story standpoint, between the deal with the time-oriented devil Merorem, and access to the Lochnar, a level of Warlock to get expert access to the Time Sphere seems appropriate.You could retake Greater Teleport with one of your bonus fiend feats from Conduit. Also, make sure you don't miss the hidden gem of a 2nd level ability:
Upon gaining this ability, the Conduit of the Lower Planes immediately gains a number of extra feats that must all have the [Fiend] tag equal to the number of spheres he has expert access to. If he ever gains expert access to another sphere, he also gains an extra [Fiend] feat.:D
Did I institute the 1/2 stacking for things other than ToB classes in this game? I forget. I'm doing that in my Exiled game. With that, Marlowe could get 1/2 a caster level (including spells known and spells per day, and max spell level) for each Mind Pirate level.I don't recall it, but that would be a welcome ruling if we were to go through with it.
Alternatively, we could brew up a feat to let Mind Pirate stack with Assassin casting instead of providing its own (or Assassin stack for Steal Memory), somewhat like the "gestalt-lite" feats such as Swift Hunter.I'm guessing both is out of the question. :P I could see myself dipping into Mind Pirate for a level to grab the upgraded Steal Memory. The extra assassin caster level would only net me a single extra third level spell per day anyway.
How would Styx-forged Weapon interact with the WBL rules we have going here? Weapon of up to the indicated value that doesn't cut into my allotted items?Hmm... good question. Let me think about it. It's interesting how close the maximum on the Ancestral Relic feat is to the maximum item value on my WBL chart, at least at this level. They diverge quite a bit at some levels, though.
Any thoughts on the prestige class? Changes that would need to be made, etcetera? The general consensus seemed to be that it was high-powered.I didn't get a chance to look at it much, but I did read the comments, and yeah I am a bit worried by the fact that several people on the gaming den think it is overpowered. :P
The general consensus over there also seems to be that the Assassin is somewhat weak without a good deal of work, so I'm just doing what I can. :pAny thoughts on the prestige class? Changes that would need to be made, etcetera? The general consensus seemed to be that it was high-powered.I didn't get a chance to look at it much, but I did read the comments, and yeah I am a bit worried by the fact that several people on the gaming den think it is overpowered. :P
You could retake Greater Teleport with one of your bonus fiend feats from Conduit. Also, make sure you don't miss the hidden gem of a 2nd level ability:
Agita, you could apply Githcraft and/or that padding whose name I forget that reduces the armor check penalty. Or we could say there is some kind of odd exotic leather that armors made mostly of leather can be made of. Mechanically we'll give it the same stats as mithril. Fluff-wise, we'll say its made of beholder hide or something.The ACP for both of those is already 0 unless I'm looking at an outdated version, I pretty much only care about the maximum Dex bonus. Beholder hide sounds cool and works for me.
One last question before I should be finished (I'm assuming the Styx-forged weapon is going to be a free item that doesn't cut into my WBL, as mentioned earlier): Would allowing the feat that lets Mind Pirate levels stack with Assassin levels for Steal Memory to also key the save DC of Steal Memory to Intelligence be overkill? Something like:That feat is fine. I don't remember how I handled Discipline Focus. Doesn't Ris-Janna have swordsage levels? However we did it with hers. :P
Psychopomp
You have helped speed the passage of many a soul to the River Styx.
Prerequisite: Steal Memory, Death Attack +3d6
Benefit: Your mind Pirate and assassin levels stack for the purpose of determining when your Steal Memory ability improves. For example, a 4th level mind pirate/1st level assassin would have access to Steal Memory (skill).
In addition, you may choose to use Intelligence in place of Charisma when determining the save DC of your Steal Memory ability.
Edit: I'm also assuming that the swordsage's Discipline Focus doesn't just hand out Combat School (which is what the houserules say to replace Weapon Focus with).
Does Oslecamo have a Sylph writeup? I'd kind of like to start using those for monsters, if available. I'm not opposed to the MM sylph, though. What's their sorcerer casting vs. CR again?
I can't really understand what author thought that made sense... I think we need to say that the CR is at a minimum equal to its caster level. Unless you really think a familiar is worth +2 CR... :ehDoes Oslecamo have a Sylph writeup? I'd kind of like to start using those for monsters, if available. I'm not opposed to the MM sylph, though. What's their sorcerer casting vs. CR again?
Oslecamo doesn't have sylph listed in the index. The MM ones are CR 5 and cast as sorcerer 7.
The spellweaver is very cool. I think some parts of the writeup are confusing, so we'll have to try and figure out they are supposed to work, but I'm totally fine with you using it. I am going to interpret the spoiler at the end to mean that you can't cast more than one spell per round via your Spellweaving ability when that spell is 6th level or higher (that's how the original monster worked).This was a cohort via the Command feat (pre-req for Legendary Strategist). I had assumed that any new undead minions would have to be gained IC. But if that's not the case, between wishes and time travel, there are updates I'd love to do in that area as well.
Is this going to be another minion you're planning to gain via your undead feats?
I'm digging the Black Book also, Boz. This campaign could definitely use a journal, and "in-character" ones are the best. :)I agree, very cool so far. Were you going to write the sections on each of the PC's Boz or did you want us to?
We can use it (and other writings you guys hide for yourselves to find later, etc) in the game as well.
Almost updated. Just need to get around to doing equipment.May I suggest upping your Collar of Umbral Metamorphosis to the continuous version for your 25k slot? I wound up going with that even though stealth is a tertiary concern for X.
I've considered it, but so far the 10 minutes per day have worked fine. It might be worth it anyway just to have it on all the time without having to think about it, though.Almost updated. Just need to get around to doing equipment.May I suggest upping your Collar of Umbral Metamorphosis to the continuous version for your 25k slot? I wound up going with that even though stealth is a tertiary concern for X.
I was actually thinking of asking you guys if you'd want to contribute some stuff. Would that be something you guys would be interested in doing, either as asides/digressions/chapters of your own devising or in place of/addition to Marlowe's own biographies?I'm digging the Black Book also, Boz. This campaign could definitely use a journal, and "in-character" ones are the best. :)I agree, very cool so far. Were you going to write the sections on each of the PC's Boz or did you want us to?
We can use it (and other writings you guys hide for yourselves to find later, etc) in the game as well.
So Xuuvosic, Ris-Janna, and Marlowe are updated. I think Cade is as well, but I'm not totally sure. And so Raoul is the last. Any idea when he'll be ready, Kuro?
I'm digging the Black Book also, Boz. This campaign could definitely use a journal, and "in-character" ones are the best. :)
We can use it (and other writings you guys hide for yourselves to find later, etc) in the game as well.
Actually, I have no idea. I have a test for a job coming up this weekend so time is scarce. I also have no idea what to really do with him next.I understand.
This was a cohort via the Command feat (pre-req for Legendary Strategist). I had assumed that any new undead minions would have to be gained IC. But if that's not the case, between wishes and time travel, there are updates I'd love to do in that area as well.I'd definitely rather play out acquiring more undead minions IC. :D In fact, let's do that for the cohort as well.
Although Naga Apostle grants Attune Sphere three times, so eventually he'll need a new feat.Yeah, was thinking whether I should add a line about what happens if he takes it as a general feat, and then winds up getting too many. I'm thinking I'd say he can choose a different bonus feat for which he qualifies. The Naga Apostle already gets so many spells known I'm reluctant to let it take Attune Sphere/Domain more than 3 times...
Half of your "other" hit dice/class levels to stack for progressions, in the same way ToB does.So RJ's caster level would be (7/2)+3=6.5 for Shadowlord spells, and (9/2)+1=5.5 for Cleric spells?
I should add a specific exclusion for prestige classes that have their own progressions, I think... That was definitely not the intent... :PHalf of your "other" hit dice/class levels to stack for progressions, in the same way ToB does.So RJ's caster level would be (7/2)+3=6.5 for Shadowlord spells, and (9/2)+1=5.5 for Cleric spells?
What, precisely, are the "progressions" this applies to? I'm assuming stuff like caster level, manifester level, effective binder level, meldshaper level, whatever it is Truenamers and shadow magic dudes get, anything else?
Well, CL alone isn't such a big deal (probably). I assumed it doesn't actually provide a spell progression, since martial adept classes don't automatically get new maneuvers for multiclassing either. This probably needs a more involved description of exactly how it's supposed to work and what kinds of things it's supposed to advance.The intent was that it would increase your CL for all purposes, including access to new spell levels, as the martial adept stacking does. It wouldn't actually grant you new spell slots or spells known unless you went back to a class that actually grants those, though. I think this is how Oslecamo's monster classes work for stacking in many cases, right?
Hmm. So with that change, I'd gain:You're interpreting it right, except with this system you'd have all the maneuvers and stances of a 5th level swordsage, rather than the readied maneuvers and stances of a 1st level swordsage, but with the maximum level known as a 5th level swordsage.
1) An extra death attack die and level of spell progression from assassin (thanks to the two non-assassin class levels I have)
2) Four levels of spell progression from mind pirate (due to the 9/2=4.5, rounded down to 4, non-mind pirate class levels)
3) The maneuvers known/readied and stances of a 5th level swordsage (as before)
Or am I misinterpreting that?
I kinda like it, though if you stop to think about it, there is barely any reason to go full caster at all (I think any rogue would KILL for half his HD in wizard spellcasting). It certainly helps a lot of the noncasters. And casters have all the power anyway, no reason for them not to share.I am only allowing this half-stacking for base class abilities, not prestige classes. So yeah, no Ur-Chords with caster levels over 9000. :p
Just be careful which progressions you allow this for. A Sublime Chord Master Spellthief build under this rule would be disastrous.
I'd just like to say that I noticed Boz's journal post (which is awesome), and have been lurking around reading about this campaign. (I hope you don't mind...)Thanks SirP. You're welcome to join, if you can find the time. :P
Anyway... it's amazingly awesome. That is all. :love
Thanks SirP. You're welcome to join, if you can find the time. :PWell... crap. Lol.
Yeah, that would be fine.Thanks SirP. You're welcome to join, if you can find the time. :PWell... crap. Lol.
Would you allow an Ætherforge (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=7141.0)? I'm still adding material to it...
Phae, let me peruse your various & sundry houserules.I apologize ahead of time... They're rather extensive...
I like it. And you're right, it encourages dipping, but most non-casters were going to do that anyway. I've edited the changes into my sheet.Hmm. So with that change, I'd gain:You're interpreting it right, except with this system you'd have all the maneuvers and stances of a 5th level swordsage, rather than the readied maneuvers and stances of a 1st level swordsage, but with the maximum level known as a 5th level swordsage.
1) An extra death attack die and level of spell progression from assassin (thanks to the two non-assassin class levels I have)
2) Four levels of spell progression from mind pirate (due to the 9/2=4.5, rounded down to 4, non-mind pirate class levels)
3) The maneuvers known/readied and stances of a 5th level swordsage (as before)
Or am I misinterpreting that?
Now, what do you guys think of this? Does this encourage multi-classing too much? Is this going to break the game? Or does it seem OK? It certainly encourages dipping lots of base classes even more than standard D&D does, especially for casters, but I'm OK with that.
No LA's, monster classes :cool
I don't have flight. I went with Huge size instead of flight. I can reach quite a bit, though, and come 12th level I'll probably take flight anyway.
Well, as for the jump check, I've currently got a +28, and divide the DC's by 2. Next level I divide them by 5. A boost would be interesting, definitely, but I'm not sure it'll be necessary.
Not sure about those other options though.
Well, that was quick. :P Been busy IRL, and will be for the rest of the weekend. I'll try to answer your questions if I get time. I guess I better start working on how to bring you in, and on encounters, etc...
EDIT2: How does the scaling enhancement bonus rule work with item properties which increase enhancement bonus (like soulbound weapon from MoI)? Is it just a straight add?
EDIT3: For adding together item abilities... could you add the same ability multiple times? Like, for example, if I had a Periapt of Power I, and I added on the same ability 4 more times so it could be used 5/day for 5k?
2) I'd like to see exactly what you're doing with it, but I think generally no. Your enhancement bonus for things should be whatever the scaling chart says, and trying to find ways to jack it up above that isn't really kosher. That's part of the idea with having it autoscale.EDIT2: How does the scaling enhancement bonus rule work with item properties which increase enhancement bonus (like soulbound weapon from MoI)? Is it just a straight add?
EDIT3: For adding together item abilities... could you add the same ability multiple times? Like, for example, if I had a Periapt of Power I, and I added on the same ability 4 more times so it could be used 5/day for 5k?
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Well, it was to figure out if I wanted Æthereal equipment or not. I don't think I want it anyway, so no harm done.2) I'd like to see exactly what you're doing with it, but I think generally no. Your enhancement bonus for things should be whatever the scaling chart says, and trying to find ways to jack it up above that isn't really kosher. That's part of the idea with having it autoscale.EDIT2: How does the scaling enhancement bonus rule work with item properties which increase enhancement bonus (like soulbound weapon from MoI)? Is it just a straight add?
EDIT3: For adding together item abilities... could you add the same ability multiple times? Like, for example, if I had a Periapt of Power I, and I added on the same ability 4 more times so it could be used 5/day for 5k?
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3) Sure. In general isn't that how wondrous items are priced, anyway, if you add uses per day?I guess. I didn't think about it that way. The alternate way is to call them "similar abilities" and get 75%/50% on all the rest of them... ;)
Wasn't there a trick to adding the evil subtype to all your spells? I think it was a feat or something.Two feats to gain +4 CL to all spells? That's totally fine.
That + Fiend Cabalist = +4 CL to all spells.
I could also get a level of Tainted Scholar for good measure, but in order to actually make full use of it, I'd need the capstone first. So it's probably a path for retraining later.Well... I would say Earth Spell + Heighten, but given how we're doing the DCs... that's all that combo would do. Take a look at SirPercival's thread on "what to do with a gigantic caster level?" in the "you break it you buy it" forum... although maybe I should think twice about sending you there as the DM... :P
You guys have any idea for good ways to increase CL besides that? I'm probably picking up an Ioun Stone already.
Wand of Restoration is still within the wish economy limit, isn't it? So less of an issue.It's not, actually. It costs 26,000 gp. The cap is 15k. Getting something to add it to your known spells might be cheaper.
Well, lesser isn't. Although that's kinda meh. Wait, isn't regular restoration lower on the Healer's spell list?If a spell appears on the spell list of a core caster, then all magic items crafted which duplicate the effects of that spell must use it at the level it appears on the core list. So no trapsmith wands for ju! (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=729.0) ;)
Do you two know how that's going to happen yet, or are we winging that particular bit?
Do you two know how that's going to happen yet, or are we winging that particular bit?I know my part. I don't know how it will pan out, though. :lmao
and I forgot the link I meant to include with my last reply. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f-AFAPUEMw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f-AFAPUEMw):lol Appropriate in more ways than one.
is the pyramid interior only 1 room?It was a bit bigger than that. I described it, but forget exactly where... :P It was like a living room, a couple of bedrooms, and a bathroom or something. Basically a small-ish apartment.
(I'm asking for map purposes, not because I'm the invader... lol)
is the pyramid interior only 1 room?It was a bit bigger than that. I described it, but forget exactly where... :P It was like a living room, a couple of bedrooms, and a bathroom or something. Basically a small-ish apartment.
(I'm asking for map purposes, not because I'm the invader... lol)
The interior of the portal looks like a modest, sparsely decorated house. There is a kitchen, complete with an ice-box that's always cold, and a stove that seems to never need more than the press of a button to light a fire. There are only three bedrooms, two of which have a pair of full-sized beds in them, while the last has an oversized king with extra plush padding. The living room has comfortable furniture, and comes complete with a scrying pool. There are windows, but they appear to look out onto illusionary scenes, which upon further inspection can have the images that they project adjusted to fit whatever the user desires.
[url=http://His Initiative is 17]http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=6156.msg114042#msg114042[/url]I think you put the text and url the wrong way around. :P
:blush Was in a hurry.[url=http://His Initiative is 17]http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=6156.msg114042#msg114042[/url]I think you put the text and url the wrong way around. :P
Can anyone remind me of how to roll dice here? :p[roll]1d20[/roll] gives you (http://www.minmaxboards.com/Themes/Thing/images/dice_warn.gif) This dice roll has been tampered with!
I see one 22, where Venn's post said DC 23.(click to show/hide)
Crap. was it 23? OK, he's helpless then.Can anyone remind me of how to roll dice here? :p[roll]1d20[/roll] gives you (http://www.minmaxboards.com/Themes/Thing/images/dice_warn.gif) This dice roll has been tampered with!
Rolled 1d20 : 5, total 5
Or you can use InvisibleCastle and not worry about editing.
EDIT anyway:I see one 22, where Venn's post said DC 23.(click to show/hide)
You suffer no penalty for doing things with your off-hand. When you make an attack or full-attack action, you may make a number of attacks with your off-hand weapon equal to the number of at-tacks you are afforded with your primary weapon....Does this apply to a Coup de Grace too? If so, would each of the attacks force its own Fort save or die?
Are you actually able to make as many CdG as you have attacks somehow? Otherwise it's ONE critical, sneak damage attack. Because, you know, full-round action and shit.Right. Unless I forgot some Tome rule changing what kind of action a CDG is...
Are you actually able to make as many CdG as you have attacks somehow? Otherwise it's ONE critical, sneak damage attack. Because, you know, full-round action and shit.The question is basically whether it's "make an [attack] or [full-attack action]", in which case a CdG certainly entails an attack, or "make an [attack] (action) or [full-attack] action", in which case it wouldn't apply (and neither would it on a charge or similar).
We're calling it the HARDIS.:lmao
And sorry, Agita, but I couldn't pass up the adamantine codpiece joke. :PNo problem. Well played. :P
I don't think we did. Presumably just a swift action.That's fine. I'll add that to the write-up.
Can we count the pocket as Improved Cover? If so I'd get a +10 on the Hide check, +12 for being Diminutive.Sure, if you're just peeking out.
What are the lighting conditions like inside and outside the HARDIS?
Surin's immune to paralysis.Lucky him. So he's just engulfed inside a large gelatinous cube, and he's 8" tall. :D
I think our local roller doesn't like RJ. Maybe I should switch back to InvisibleCastle. :Plol, that's fine. feel free to roll where ever you want. :p
Were there different save DCs for the slam paralysis and the engulf paralysis?Yes. Different cubes. :p
What's the DC for those, anyway?You didn't quite make it. DC for the main cube's paralysis is 24. I rolled the durations in another board. I'll let you know when it wears off. :smirk
Sorry to hood things back, guys. It looks like you've had a busy morning, and I won't be back to my computer until late tonight since I'm working. :/It's OK. There's no way you'll beat Agita on Initiative anyway. :P
I forget which immunities the Tome undead still have and which ones they lost. I'll let Xuuvosic look that up, since he's more familiar with his monsters than I am. :P
Sorry for the late reaction. Do those of us who stayed inside just place ourselves wherever? I assume the lighting conditions inside the whole HARDIS are bright?Sure. You can be wherever you want.
Yeah, I'm wondering if I can get my Blur from Shadowlord running inside the HARDIS, which requires RJ to be "not in daylight or the illuminated radius of a light source". Not that it matters much here, since oozes tend to be blind and thus ignore concealment anyway.It won't matter in this encounter, you're right. In the future, we can adjust the lighting to be however you all want it.
What happens to the folks inside the cube when it time hops??Dead. :smirk
Put up another portion of the Black Book. Also, if you guys want to write anecdotes/sections of it yourself (HoV in particular, since I'll probably wind up doing X's chapter next), let me know.Yeah, I read it right after you put it up. It's awesome.
Congratulations!Thanks. Glad the in-laws are here. I've been able to catch up on my sleep a bit since we got home from the hospital.
Clarification: How many dispel attempts are there here, and do we need to make exactly as many saves?I don't know about the first. Ask HoV. And yes, for the number of saves.
Oh good, my one point of improvement will surely save our asses.Clarification: How many dispel attempts are there here, and do we need to make exactly as many saves?I don't know about the first. Ask HoV. And yes, for the number of saves.
I forget what you guys all got for Knowledge (Planes), but I think a retry is definitely warranted, per my house rules. You guys have certainly been affected by this "rebounding" effect enough times for it to jog your memories. :P
Cade is sure he's seen this kind of thing before... but it wasn't from any kind of ooze. He remembers a type of small demon called a jovoc, often used as a "shock trooper" in the blood war, which has this kind of rebounding effect. From what he recalls, they were devastating if you could sneak them into the thick of things, but pretty harmless from a distance.(click to show/hide)
Hmm, I wonder then if I should swap my level of True fiend for a level in some demon class... though then I'd lose one of my bonus feats. Hmmm...Nah, True Fiend is fine. We're still using Tome rules, and I'm not asking you guys to change your characters. Just in the future if/when using monsters, we'll use Oslecamo's writeups since in general I think they're probably a bit more balanced overall than WotC's stuff. Although... I still might use the "official" versions sometimes, if I don't feel like building them from scratch using his rules (like that barbed devil you guys mopped the floor with). And I think there are probably exceptions in his monster writeups that might be a tad bit overpowered... like maybe Jovoc multiclasses. :P
Holy crap I am in love with these (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14175687&postcount=6) two (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14174154&postcount=5) classes, and they are very appropriate for this game (especially the first one, sorry SirP :P ). :D
Holy crap I am in love with these (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14175687&postcount=6) two (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14174154&postcount=5) classes, and they are very appropriate for this game (especially the first one, sorry SirP :P ). :D
Oh wow I want to play a Clockwork Cenobite now. :love
Come to think of it, Xuuvosic White Raven Tactics'ed RJ last round, so she'd actually go after him (and a bunch of others). My own fallback plan here would be to get everyone who's not expendable out of range while RJ (or someone else, really) gibs them and hoped to make the Fort saves.Marlowe has the pyramid which controls the opening to the HARDIS, but anyone could take it from him and use it.
Afterward... we might want to get someone out and relocate the entry to the HARDIS, then engage the cube on our terms. I forget, can only Marlowe (who's now paralyzed) do that?
So, if we are moving the new game back here, should we post our character sheets in the old sheet thread or make a new one?Let's make a new one. We'll keep them in this same sub-forum, though.
Cross-posted my sheet, along with the rudiments of a background. Dunno how you were thinking about bringing everyone together, phaedrus, but if something in there needs tweaking so it works better, let me know.I'll take care of that. So far, I'm thinking none of you even know each other before the game starts. I'm still debating which devil to have you be the butler for... If you have one in mind, let me know. I don't think it is going to have any mechanical effect on the game, as I have plans for how to manage the Wish economy this time around that won't require a "patron" (nor chain-binding efreets...), and once the game gets started, you won't really have much of a chance to interact with your former employer, anyway (and they likely wouldn't touch you with a 10 foot pole, either :P ).
I could change my background to be devilish rather than demonic pretty easily, and I could be one of that Devil's wayward offspring that the devil wants to grow into a true heir (instead of a damn pansy like Cade's mother wanted him to be). And so Cade was sent to deal with the distasteful errands that the butler was sent on, thus giving our characters a connection, as well as giving my character a connection to the devil. Plus, "Son of the Devil" is too fun a trope to pass up. :DI'd actually really prefer it if you guys were of devilish, rather than demonic, ancestry. That was one thing that always annoyed me about the original game... Devils are way cooler to use as NPCs than demons...
I'll take care of that. So far, I'm thinking none of you even know each other before the game starts. I'm still debating which devil to have you be the butler for... If you have one in mind, let me know. I don't think it is going to have any mechanical effect on the game, as I have plans for how to manage the Wish economy this time around that won't require a "patron" (nor chain-binding efreets...), and once the game gets started, you won't really have much of a chance to interact with your former employer, anyway (and they likely wouldn't touch you with a 10 foot pole, either :P ).None in particular, no. Merorem fits conceptually but is way too major a player to work. Sammael might be hilarious, but I'm guessing that probably throws a wrench in more than one set of plans. I'll leave it vague and up to your discretion.
So what do you say, Boz? You OK with Cade occasionally trying to boss you around, only to be reminded that Marlowe could just wipe him from history? ;)That, or when the dust settles and the party's gathered, Marlowe could start buttling for Cade in place of his old master. Either one has lots of potential.
One quick question: under what circunstances do we learn of the situation, how long ago (if applicable) and how much information do we have about the circunstances (any, if applicable) of the parallel timeline in which we failed?Here you go. This (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=8694.0) should help answer that. :D
Deelishous.What?
You realize what is gonna happen from this point on.
As for a devil... not Merorem, or anyone associated with him. :PMoloch is good by me.
Hmm... how about Moloch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons))? :smirk
At first glance, Moloch doesn't seem to appear as appropriate for Cade's parentage, as that would require him to be capable of being charming enough to bed a human woman. But you never know. :PWell... at one point Lilith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)) was his consort. So he must have something going for him. :P
Crap, I really need to finish Dwvar. And figure out why the hell a Bytopian Dwærrow is having truck with devils. Um...And unless Xuuvosic gets remade, at least one demon... whom the devils should wonder why they're working with.
Are 1/day items attuned?Yes, but depending on how they work, you might be able to use them, then replace them with something else. (For example, if it is something that casts Mindblank 1xday).
Third eye freedom & clarity. I guess what I'll do is have multiple versions of an item which does each 2/day (for 11.2k gp), and once I've used one up, I'll attune to another one.Unlikely to be necessary in any case, since Marlowe gets Heal practically at will outside of combat.
What about things like the Orb of Mental Renewal (MIC 167)?
Third eye freedom & clarity. I guess what I'll do is have multiple versions of an item which does each 2/day (for 11.2k gp), and once I've used one up, I'll attune to another one.Unlikely to be necessary in any case, since Marlowe gets Heal practically at will outside of combat.
What about things like the Orb of Mental Renewal (MIC 167)?
I've been looking for items that do something similar for negative levels, but no such luck so far.
There's a 1/day armor special ability in the MiC that gives you Death Ward as an immediate action. Load up on a bunch of cheap bucklers of that. As long as you don't need more than one every combat, you should be OK. :P (I'd be OK with rolling this into the "Multi-Eye" also.)Third eye freedom & clarity. I guess what I'll do is have multiple versions of an item which does each 2/day (for 11.2k gp), and once I've used one up, I'll attune to another one.Unlikely to be necessary in any case, since Marlowe gets Heal practically at will outside of combat.
What about things like the Orb of Mental Renewal (MIC 167)?
I've been looking for items that do something similar for negative levels, but no such luck so far.
Yeah... if we could have a way of grabbing Mass Death Ward, that would be pretty boss.
There's a 1/day armor special ability in the MiC that gives you Death Ward as an immediate action. Load up on a bunch of cheap bucklers of that. As long as you don't need more than one every combat, you should be OK. :P (I'd be OK with rolling this into the "Multi-Eye" also.)Third eye freedom & clarity. I guess what I'll do is have multiple versions of an item which does each 2/day (for 11.2k gp), and once I've used one up, I'll attune to another one.Unlikely to be necessary in any case, since Marlowe gets Heal practically at will outside of combat.
What about things like the Orb of Mental Renewal (MIC 167)?
I've been looking for items that do something similar for negative levels, but no such luck so far.
Yeah... if we could have a way of grabbing Mass Death Ward, that would be pretty boss.
Mass Death Ward would be level 8, and so kind of tough for you guys to produce...
@Phaedrus, re: stuff...Huh... I think I originally had UMD as a skill for the Warper. I must have removed it when I decided that the class was turning more into a defensive light tank than a rogue... Would you like it as a class skill?
OK, yeah, I guess that works. Plus, Cade isn't nearly as Charismatic as before. A side effect of that being a lack of UMD as a class skill. :/
Deelishous.What?
You realize what is gonna happen from this point on.
I've picked it up on Marlowe, so if you want to let him handle the wanding, feel free to save your skill points.@Phaedrus, re: stuff...Huh... I think I originally had UMD as a skill for the Warper. I must have removed it when I decided that the class was turning more into a defensive light tank than a rogue... Would you like it as a class skill?
OK, yeah, I guess that works. Plus, Cade isn't nearly as Charismatic as before. A side effect of that being a lack of UMD as a class skill. :/
Edit: Added it, Climb and Jump to the class skills.
Hah, sounds fun. I've never watched/read any of Death Note, but it sounds like I should... :PDeelishous.What?
You realize what is gonna happen from this point on.
Let me just say this: Keikaku doori.
Dwvar's wisdom is through the roof, and I gave him max ranks in LD, so he's rocking a +23.I've picked it up on Marlowe, so if you want to let him handle the wanding, feel free to save your skill points.@Phaedrus, re: stuff...Huh... I think I originally had UMD as a skill for the Warper. I must have removed it when I decided that the class was turning more into a defensive light tank than a rogue... Would you like it as a class skill?
OK, yeah, I guess that works. Plus, Cade isn't nearly as Charismatic as before. A side effect of that being a lack of UMD as a class skill. :/
Edit: Added it, Climb and Jump to the class skills.
Although if you do take it, I might free those up for some ranks in Lucid Dreaming, since we ought to have someone who's decent with it (and you might as well have that person be the timebender).
I obviously won't get into the level of complexity Death Note does. (There were several times where I figured the author gave his characters the answer to each question and reverse-engineered HOW they got the answers themselves.)I've done that with at least a couple of encounters in this game... just to make sure it was possible for you guys to escape/win. :lol (Most of the time, you guys didn't do as I'd expected, though. :P )
I'm going to operate on a veiled honor system. It's going to go kinda like this. We'll have this private thread/subforum thingie where I list each and every last one of Raoul's plans. They'll be under numbered spoilers. Every time you run into a specific set of circunstances I will reply "you may now open spoiler X".Sounds like fun. Maybe I should have a private thread for everyone, so we can do this kind of thing. :D Or I guess we could use PMs...
For example, if RJ tried to kick Raoul in the crotch, I would say "You may now open spoiler 5".(click to show/hide)
Plans may or may not evolve with time. You may notice additional spoilers being added. Some old plans may be revised, or not, as they're discovered. This should allow Raoul to be sneaky about his things without me giving away his intent by asking "how would this work" or "is this possible"? Naturally, it's the DM's ultimate call whether something works or not.
Edit: phaedrus, if you're looking to do private threads you could theoretically request private subboards keyed to the players in question.Yeah, guess that's the only way to do it... which sucks.
Oh, hey, I had completely missed the part where Moloch was the devil we had inadvertantly obliterated in the other timeline, until I re-read the older thread. That's kind of brilliant. :lmaoThanks. I try. :D
HOLY SHIT I didn't even realize the game was going on already! I feel stupid. Hang on...:D Sorry... :P
It's intended to work as the last one, but only adding to base class progressions (so no adding 1/2 your other classes to your Ur-Priest progression...) and only counting 1/2 of other base class levels. So PrCs do not factor into any of this at all.
Hey Phaedrus, can you let me know where the nefarious plans section is when it's up?I requested a private sub-board. Will let you know when it's up. If anyone else wants one, let me know.
Yeah, we'll see if someone figures out how to break it. :D I think it should be OK, as you're not going to be gaining completely "level appropriate" abilities by multiclassing a lot (like this encourages), but there are a few edge cases I worry about a bit (things that add Tome spheres are one of them, which I know you're interested in :P ).It's intended to work as the last one, but only adding to base class progressions (so no adding 1/2 your other classes to your Ur-Priest progression...) and only counting 1/2 of other base class levels. So PrCs do not factor into any of this at all.
OK, that's completely awesome!
Preliminary plans are up. You're all welcome to gawk.I assume you're talking about the private thingy?
Yeah, no one can see it but Kuro and I... I thought that's how he wanted it. :PPreliminary plans are up. You're all welcome to gawk.I assume you're talking about the private thingy?
Yeah, no one can see it but Kuro and I... I thought that's how he wanted it. :PPreliminary plans are up. You're all welcome to gawk.I assume you're talking about the private thingy?
You should thank Prime for his commitment to duty, because he went out of his way to make it invisible to me as well.:lol
It's intended to work as the last one, but only adding to base class progressions (so no adding 1/2 your other classes to your Ur-Priest progression...) and only counting 1/2 of other base class levels. So PrCs do not factor into any of this at all.
Both ND 2+4 and BM 8+1. And the purpose was to change the core system to work more like ToB as far as multiclassing goes. I like the ToB system a lot more than the core one, which only stacks BAB, skill points, saves, and hit points. Casters are punitively punished in core for multiclassing, and even dipping for a few spells for melees doesn't even seem like a great option since those dip levels don't scale, and so become somewhat worthless later on.It's intended to work as the last one, but only adding to base class progressions (so no adding 1/2 your other classes to your Ur-Priest progression...) and only counting 1/2 of other base class levels. So PrCs do not factor into any of this at all.
So… for clarity: Blisss is Naiadragon(Glaciadragon) 2, Blue Mage 8. What happens in that example? Nothing, since neither is a RAW base class (or PrC, for that matter)? Or does Blisss effectively become Naiadragon 2+4, or Blue Mage 8+1, or both, since both are starting classes for L1 characters in homebrew? And for what purposes does the class level increase apply, if there is one?
It's intended to work as the last one, but only adding to base class progressions (so no adding 1/2 your other classes to your Ur-Priest progression...) and only counting 1/2 of other base class levels. So PrCs do not factor into any of this at all.
So… for clarity: Blisss is Naiadragon(Glaciadragon) 2, Blue Mage 8. What happens in that example? Nothing, since neither is a RAW base class (or PrC, for that matter)? Or does Blisss effectively become Naiadragon 2+4, or Blue Mage 8+1, or both, since both are starting classes for L1 characters in homebrew? And for what purposes does the class level increase apply, if there is one?
Both ND 2+4 and BM 8+1. And the purpose was to change the core system to work more like ToB as far as multiclassing goes. I like the ToB system a lot more than the core one, which only stacks BAB, skill points, saves, and hit points. Casters are punitively punished in core for multiclassing, and even dipping for a few spells for melees doesn't even seem like a great option since those dip levels don't scale, and so become somewhat worthless later on.
Some questions:Yes.
Is Psionic Warblade (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1058.msg7272#msg7272) OK?
Does a double dip into Outcast classes (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?board=126.0) work the way I think it does? The wording for calculating warp seems such that two 5th level 'virtual progressions' would result in a warp of 5. But I could certainly see it being ruled differently.Will have to look at that later. In general, you won't get a progression to go beyond what you'd get with a single-classed character, though. (So no double-dipping rogue + some rogue variant to get more sneak attack dice than a single-classed rogue, for example, kind of like how gestalting works.)
Is this Sphere OK so far?I think so, but I don't really see much of a theme there. :P(click to show/hide)
I realized that the claw and bite attacks statted in Chet Erez's indices (http://chet.kindredcircle.org/) are from the variant kobold racial traits in the RotD web expansion (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060420a). Are these OK to use? Should I be trading out some other racial trait to gain them?They look the same to me. (two 1d3 claws and a 1d3 bite)
Well, it doesn't exceed what a single class character would get, but generating the same warp as a single class character with just two of ten character levels is, erm, highly optimized :rolleyesDoes a double dip into Outcast classes (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?board=126.0) work the way I think it does? The wording for calculating warp seems such that two 5th level 'virtual progressions' would result in a warp of 5. But I could certainly see it being ruled differently.Will have to look at that later. In general, you won't get a progression to go beyond what you'd get with a single-classed character, though. (So no double-dipping rogue + some rogue variant to get more sneak attack dice than a single-classed rogue, for example, kind of like how gestalting works.)
Oops! forgot to include the name. Its the Density Sphere; with the idea that things like Fist of Stone increase density and Wraithstrike/Blink works via reduced density. But Haste probably doesn't belong in there, Gaseous form is a much better fit. Would that make it a tight enough theme? Or does it need to be narrowed?Is this Sphere OK so far?I think so, but I don't really see much of a theme there. :P(click to show/hide)
They are the same. I just don't know why Chet included it, since its a variant. And since he did list it why he didn't include the slight build variant right below it in the web article? Usually variants involve a trade-off, but none is mentioned in the article. So I wanted to know how precisely you want to handle it.I realized that the claw and bite attacks statted in Chet Erez's indices (http://chet.kindredcircle.org/) are from the variant kobold racial traits in the RotD web expansion (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060420a). Are these OK to use? Should I be trading out some other racial trait to gain them?They look the same to me. (two 1d3 claws and a 1d3 bite)
I really should have included a fix for those Blasphemy/Holy Word spells in general, as they are the real culprits... I just hadn't planned to use them, and didn't think you guys would reach the level to be able to... They should at least have saving throws. So I'll probably go add that to the house rules (unless someone has a better fix suggestion).The simplest change would be to call them save negates, but that might make them excessively binary. A more nuanced method would be to make each of the conditions they inflict either save-negates or save partial, the way Pathfinder does it (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/b/blasphemy).
paralyzing all w/in 40' with no save is still pretty insane... definitely an improvement over 1d10 minutes, though... I guess we can use the pf versions for now.I really should have included a fix for those Blasphemy/Holy Word spells in general, as they are the real culprits... I just hadn't planned to use them, and didn't think you guys would reach the level to be able to... They should at least have saving throws. So I'll probably go add that to the house rules (unless someone has a better fix suggestion).The simplest change would be to call them save negates, but that might make them excessively binary. A more nuanced method would be to make each of the conditions they inflict either save-negates or save partial, the way Pathfinder does it (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/b/blasphemy).
Yeah, the theory is that it's okay because they're all supposed to be five levels below you... but you know how it is with caster level.paralyzing all w/in 40' with no save is still pretty insane... definitely an improvement over 1d10 minutes, though... I guess we can use the pf versions for now.I really should have included a fix for those Blasphemy/Holy Word spells in general, as they are the real culprits... I just hadn't planned to use them, and didn't think you guys would reach the level to be able to... They should at least have saving throws. So I'll probably go add that to the house rules (unless someone has a better fix suggestion).The simplest change would be to call them save negates, but that might make them excessively binary. A more nuanced method would be to make each of the conditions they inflict either save-negates or save partial, the way Pathfinder does it (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/b/blasphemy).
The Other-Race Mask blemish lets you take on a LA +0 template. Would Spell-Stitched be an allowable option for that?Just War-Frenzy is the intent.
Agita - Is the Sheer Stubbornness ability of the horned best totem of the War-Frenzy intended to upgrade all levels of will save progression to good, or just the class levels actually taken War-Frenzy?
Given that Cade is our space-warper, the easiest method to get there on time is probably for everyone to tell him their location so he can just round us all up and taxi us there.Yeah, I thought that's what you guys said you were doing... maybe it wasn't explicitly stated, though. Anyway, we can say that's what you did (if you want), and move on, and you can make up your location/backstory while Cade goes and nabs someone else if you want, Agita. :P
And thinking on RJ's likely location, it occurs to me I should finish her background.
I imagine I'm the likely first candidate anyway.Given that Cade is our space-warper, the easiest method to get there on time is probably for everyone to tell him their location so he can just round us all up and taxi us there.Yeah, I thought that's what you guys said you were doing... maybe it wasn't explicitly stated, though. Anyway, we can say that's what you did (if you want), and move on, and you can make up your location/backstory while Cade goes and nabs someone else if you want, Agita. :P
And thinking on RJ's likely location, it occurs to me I should finish her background.
Well, since you're his butler, I assumed he could just walk across the hall or something. :PI imagine I'm the likely first candidate anyway.Given that Cade is our space-warper, the easiest method to get there on time is probably for everyone to tell him their location so he can just round us all up and taxi us there.Yeah, I thought that's what you guys said you were doing... maybe it wasn't explicitly stated, though. Anyway, we can say that's what you did (if you want), and move on, and you can make up your location/backstory while Cade goes and nabs someone else if you want, Agita. :P
And thinking on RJ's likely location, it occurs to me I should finish her background.
Raoul can be found at a place called Hell's Ninth Hole.So... at Cade's Mom's house, then? :smirk
Cade walks out of his bedroom and sees:Raoul can be found at a place called Hell's Ninth Hole.So... at Cade's Mom's house, then? :smirk
Cade walks out of his bedroom and sees:Raoul can be found at a place called Hell's Ninth Hole.So... at Cade's Mom's house, then? :smirkProblem solved!
- Marlowe bringing in next week's mail
- Raoul being chased out of his mother's bedroom wearing nothing but a bathrobe
- RJ on the doorstep surrounded by a dead hit squad and covered in viscera
- Dwvar banging his head against the wall because he can't deal with this sober
This has my wholehearted support.Cade walks out of his bedroom and sees:Raoul can be found at a place called Hell's Ninth Hole.So... at Cade's Mom's house, then? :smirkProblem solved!
- Marlowe bringing in next week's mail
- Raoul being chased out of his mother's bedroom wearing nothing but a bathrobe
- RJ on the doorstep surrounded by a dead hit squad and covered in viscera
- Dwvar banging his head against the wall because he can't deal with this sober
With PCs like you guys, who needs a DM? :lolThis has my wholehearted support.Cade walks out of his bedroom and sees:Raoul can be found at a place called Hell's Ninth Hole.So... at Cade's Mom's house, then? :smirkProblem solved!
- Marlowe bringing in next week's mail
- Raoul being chased out of his mother's bedroom wearing nothing but a bathrobe
- RJ on the doorstep surrounded by a dead hit squad and covered in viscera
- Dwvar banging his head against the wall because he can't deal with this sober
Scuze my ignorance but what is LD based on, stat-wise?Wisdom. We're using phaedrus' variant rules for it which can be found here. (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=7283.0)
So I'm finally getting close to done on Orgesht (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=8672.msg143444#msg143444). I still need to finish skills, do his background, and make any adjustments for nerfs (a distinct possibility considering his numbers).The first thing that jumps to mind is why do you list two Madnesses? A War-Frenzy only ever gets one.
The first thing that jumps to mind is why do you list two Madnesses? A War-Frenzy only ever gets one.
Also, what Shaman are you using? Wasn't the Oriental Adventures one updated in Complete Divine?
So I'm finally getting close to done on Orgesht (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=8672.msg143444#msg143444). I still need to finish skills, do his background, and make any adjustments for nerfs (a distinct possibility considering his numbers).His numbers are higher than the other PCs, but not hugely so except for damage, from what I see at a glance. And since he seems to be built more or less as a "tank", that's probably OK. We'll see how it goes. ;) Is he considered fine-sized? I saw the +16 size modifier for hide.
As for background, what I was basically thinking was that Orgesht was from a primitive tribe that was one of the earliest generations of kobolds to degenerate from draconic stock. Since this was before the ascension of Kurtulmak, his soul went to Tiamat upon death. For millennia he languished , beneath notice, but was eventually used as fodder in the Blood War. In the war, he actually became somewhat formidable, but being of 'degenerate stock' and servile nature, was deemed unworthy of devil stature. Instead he was traded to Moloch (or whichever devil is convenient for the campaign). Moloch foresaw a use for the wretch, prophesying that he might be help to avoid a great calamity in the future. Thus the archdevil went to the effort of returning him to kobold flesh and having him sent to serve some pivotal time travelers about to arrive from the future.So he died and was a petitioner in Hell, but had his previous abilities restored by Moloch (while he was one of the Lords of the Nine)? I like this. Since he's already working for Moloch, we could just bring him in now rather than in the past. Cade and/or Marlowe probably know him.
So I'm finally getting close to done on Orgesht (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=8672.msg143444#msg143444). I still need to finish skills, do his background, and make any adjustments for nerfs (a distinct possibility considering his numbers).His numbers are higher than the other PCs, but not hugely so except for damage, from what I see at a glance. And since he seems to be built more or less as a "tank", that's probably OK. We'll see how it goes. ;) Is he considered fine-sized? I saw the +16 size modifier for hide.
The name definitely is supposed to sound wet and evil. But LOL, the resemblance to ogre shit is unintentional.But ogre shit is wet and evil, so it works out.
So Raoul is basically a fiendish version of Hugh Hefner? :smirk Had a chance to get online. If you guys want me to skip ahead or somethin, give me a nudge. Otherwise, I'm enjoying the show, and will respond when prompted (i.e. you say "OK we teleport to Hell's 9th Hole", etc :P ).Maybe, does Hugh Hefner conjure fiery
Man, we gotta get you guys (phae, Venn, Kuroi) into the irc sometimes.Why not right now?
Man, we gotta get you guys (phae, Venn, Kuroi) into the irc sometimes.Why not right now?
Chop chop.
Okay, so what's the initiative order look like? I don't think we have a roll from Mustache Man. Or from Kuroi, for that matter.I rolled "mustache man's" initiative in a hidden forum I have on here... I guess I could roll his stuff in the open, though. I used to do that, didn't I? Anyway, he got a 36. I'll post his actions in a bit.
For the spoiler blocks to identify what Mustache Man is using: Am I right in assuming we're to roll whatever skilly again for those, if we've already rolled?Yes. It's a separate skill use to identify something he's just done.
Also, do we know who he used that **redacted** psionic power against? :DOrgesht was asked to make a Will save in case of being hit, so presumably against him.
Oh, hey, does anyone happen to have a portable hole or bag of holding? Wonder if I can just teleport everyone out in our free round and leave a pocket-dimension-obliterating present in our wake. :P
Presumably some synchronicityThat's not it. If you guys defeat him (and I think you will), I'll post his build in the NPC graveyard. I will mention that I used some awesome homebrew. ;)
I don't suppose a 20 would do it. (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=6156.msg175950#msg175950)Presumably some synchronicityThat's not it. If you guys defeat him (and I think you will), I'll post his build in the NPC graveyard. I will mention that I used some awesome homebrew. ;)
A high Knowledge Psionics or Martial Lore check could let you figure it out.
And yes, as long as Cade is planning to delay his teleportation, you guys can go ahead and go.
Since I already spilled the beans in the metagame, we'll say that his weapon looked "charged with psionic energy" and assuming Agita (or someone else) makes the Psicraft check, you'll be able to tell that he channeled the power through it somehow.
Marlowe already got it with IIRC a 37 on Knowledge: Psionics. Well... basically. He knows this guy trained as an Ephemeral Blade, and I posted a link to the PrC. We'll assume he knows most of what they can do.I don't suppose a 20 would do it. (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=6156.msg175950#msg175950)Presumably some synchronicityThat's not it. If you guys defeat him (and I think you will), I'll post his build in the NPC graveyard. I will mention that I used some awesome homebrew. ;)
A high Knowledge Psionics or Martial Lore check could let you figure it out.
And yes, as long as Cade is planning to delay his teleportation, you guys can go ahead and go.
Since I already spilled the beans in the metagame, we'll say that his weapon looked "charged with psionic energy" and assuming Agita (or someone else) makes the Psicraft check, you'll be able to tell that he channeled the power through it somehow.
Uh... you know those tentacles are gonna fill the whole room and target us? Unless you've got a special ability to exclude us.:devil
Well, I've got an item to get Freedom of Movement for a round at a time, so I don't mind the tentacles. Don't know about you guys. :P
No, that's because I'm using the sheet wholesale from the previous game.Actually, no. Can't seem to find it, either. Your sheet is posted in the old character sheets thread here, but it's still 8th level.
Remember the nefarious plans section?
Is it supposed to be another level? :???We're at 10.
Have been for a while, in fact.Is it supposed to be another level? :???We're at 10.
Welcome to the game, Kuro. Glad to have you back. :lmaoHave been for a while, in fact.Is it supposed to be another level? :???We're at 10.
It does. And Cade can actually send him wherever he wants, within Long range, IIRC.By the way, the above is only true starting next level. Not that there's anywhere farther away than a few feet I could send him in this room, anyway. :)
We saw him make a Will save earlier, actually. He had a bonus of +26.It does. And Cade can actually send him wherever he wants, within Long range, IIRC.By the way, the above is only true starting next level. Not that there's anywhere farther away than a few feet I could send him in this room, anyway. :)
Hmm... I think using dispersal on Mustache Man seems doomed to fail. All of us have pretty high Will saves, it stands to reason he probably does, too. Ah well. I'm sure you guys can take him down yourselves pretty easily. :)
As is all too often the case, sorry for the delay. I'll append the updated combat stats tomorrow. It turns out that even under the house rules polymorph is still really good. Replace Kobold racial physical stat penalties with +5's? Sign me up plz!No problem. And glad to see someone finally try it out. :D
I have absolutely no freaking spell that won't fill the room with OMFG DAMAGE.Really? That's odd... Not even Scorching Ray?
On the other hand, I WAS planning on picking Extraordinary Spell Aim anyway, but that only goes for one creature.
I'VE GOT NO ORBS. WTF.
Off the top of my head, a Dispel or Greater Dispel on Mustache Man couldn't hurt. The Orbs will damage him and fish for a natural one on a save. There's a buff or three on the list as well.I have absolutely no freaking spell that won't fill the room with OMFG DAMAGE.Really? That's odd... Not even Scorching Ray?
On the other hand, I WAS planning on picking Extraordinary Spell Aim anyway, but that only goes for one creature.
I'VE GOT NO ORBS. WTF.
Edit: Not true. See the spell list we're using here (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=729.0). All of the Lesser Orbs are in there at level 1, and the full Orbs are all at level 3.
Does Mustache happen to be able to see through magical darkness or have blindsight or similar? If not, he'll want to roll against the concealment from RJ's Radiance.He has an ability that let him ignore the miss chance, yes. He also ignores any DR or regeneration that Orgehst has.
So, I guess that he doesn't just ignore the miss chance, and can actually see, correct? Otherwise, I'd think there would be a chance he'd have swung at where he thought Orgesht was, which is where Cade is now (those subject to Anticipate Teleportation don't perceive the delay in time). If he is indeed attacking Orgesht, though, I guess that means my readied action goes off. I'll roll my attack.This is as Deeper Darkness, right? He can't actually see through it, but it just gives concealment (20% miss chance), not total concealment. So he can actually see a bit in it. Even though Orgesht looks different, he's still by far the most fugly among you, which this guy seems offended by (since he's so pretty :p). So yeah, he'll still swing at Orgesth, and go ahead and roll your attack.
What is Fatal Strike, Agita? A weapon, or class ability?Fatal Strike is the Tome Monk equivalent to IUS, a natural slam attack, so it's an attack against regular AC. I get it from the Monk's Belt. All the others are against touch AC.
All of your attacks are touch attacks, right? Including that one? Trying to figure out what AC you're aiming for. If they're all touch attacks, it looks like voidstrikes one, three, four, and five hit, and the other two attacks missed.
Going to move on assuming this is true. If not, let me know and we can retcon a bit if need be, but it probably wouldn't change much.
As it turns out, the power doesn't even have to target RJ, she can nullify it as long as she can see it being manifested.Well... she didn't actually see it being manifested. Does that change anything? It was manifested during a Temporal Acceleration, with the Delay Power metapsi feat applied to it. Would she still be able to nullify it, or not?
If he used the power mentioned, and delayed it, then he'd still 1) Have to make touch attacks and 2) have line of effect, as the 20-ft radius stays centered on him even if it's delayed. So there must be quite a bit more to what he did. Or perhaps the attacks were rolled privately. *shrug*I thought if he Delayed it, then he effectively already manifested it, but the effect was delayed, not the manifestation. So targets, range, point of origin, etc, would be determined at the time of manifesting, not after the delay.
He's definitely a tricksy one.
Any decisions you would make about the delayed power, including attack rolls, designating targets, or determining or shaping an area, are decided when the power is manifested.
This is before Raoul and Dwvar get to act? He took more extra actions?Raoul had actually acted, as he'd readied an action last round which basically had the effect of bumping him to the top of the next round. And I think I wasn't paying attention and Dwvar should have went before Orghest. Let me run through the actions, and see if I missed anything:
Alright I'll have Dwvar act then, and you can edit :DSure. Go for it.
Does RJ see some display or other sign of the manifestation to the degree that she could identify either power, or is he supressing all displays? I suppose with Anticipatory strike one might see the guy speeding up, but Psi Teleport probably doesn't have any immediate visual cues other than the guy not being there anymore (by which time it's presumably too late).He's suppressing his displays, because his Concentration modifier is so high there is no reason not to (i.e. he'll never fail). So yeah, I don't think she'd know he's doing anything until he was gone.
(Can she even see him at all, given that he went into a different room?)
If RJ can detect and identify either of the powers being manifested somehow, she'll try to Nullify them.
If his concentration is good enough, will grappling even matter?Not really. Psi = no components. :D
Phae, do you mind if I swap out one of my forgings? Æther Shard is all well and good, except that my attack bonus is so horrible that I'm never going to hit anything with it... I'd rather have something more useful.No problem. Not everything will have an uber AC, though.
Yeah, but it's an attack roll of +9. Anyway, which do you guys think, Æther Dissolution or Æther Revelation or Æther Shear?Phae, do you mind if I swap out one of my forgings? Æther Shard is all well and good, except that my attack bonus is so horrible that I'm never going to hit anything with it... I'd rather have something more useful.No problem. Not everything will have an uber AC, though.
I made a save here (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=8694.msg178668#msg178668). I'm going out on a limb and saying it seems likely to succeed.Yeah, yeah... that will do it. Do you have Mettle or anything? If not, half damage (25).
I do, as noted in the post. Handy stuff.:banghead batting a thousand tonight...
Any chance we'll get started again soon? I'm sure things are still hectic, and it's quite unfortunate to lose Perce. Have things quieted down at all for you?Not really... 3 tests last week, 3 again next week. This week only 1. Kind of the lull before the storm resumes... I'll see if I can post again sometime this week. I don't think I'm going to look for a replacement for SirP, as I'm not reliable enough for this to be a steady game, at this point... :bigeyes
It occurs to me that Raoul can cast Dimensional Anchor. Now would be an excellent time to use it, I reckon.
Circunstances demand it, whatcha gonna do.Glad I could help with your level-up decisions. :P
QUICKENED TRUE STRIKE!
Because it's totally worth it to burn a feat and a fifth-level spell slot on the chance to say "screw you!" to teleporting bastards.
Sounds fine.Are you offering or requesting?
Flight, anyone?
Anything I might be able to do to mitigate that by killing vast swathes of them? This is one of those situation where Horde Breaker, Whirlwind Attack, and my temporal anomalies would come in very handy.Yeah... you could clear out a massive area very quickly as an immediate action by using Flash Step to just run around in a spiral. With Hide In Plain Speed + Skirmish + Stolen Time, you'd not really risk getting counter attacked either, and you'd regain all of the potential you spent. That's pretty sick... :lmao The new Marlowe gives a new meaning to the term "Blender".
Anything I might be able to do to mitigate that by killing vast swathes of them? This is one of those situation where Horde Breaker, Whirlwind Attack, and my temporal anomalies would come in very handy.Sounds fine.Are you offering or requesting?
Flight, anyone?
He does use a power, but there is no display and no visual manifestation. So I don't think anyone can ID it. A Martial Lore check could tell you that he used Revitalizing Strike on Raoul, but somehow made his melee attack at a distance. I will get a map and throw it up soon.The strike is presumably visible, though, so I could try to ID and nullify that if I felt like being a jerk.
:lol Yes, it is visible, and you can definitely ID it.He does use a power, but there is no display and no visual manifestation. So I don't think anyone can ID it. A Martial Lore check could tell you that he used Revitalizing Strike on Raoul, but somehow made his melee attack at a distance. I will get a map and throw it up soon.The strike is presumably visible, though, so I could try to ID and nullify that if I felt like being a jerk.
And I think I do.
IL check, I believe.Yeah... if he survives you'll do a lot better against him after you gain a level. :lol (It would probably be a more interesting fight, also.) I keep thinking I should have put some kind of temporal sensing ability into your class, the way I did in Cade's. It makes sense that you should be able to detect someone using these kinds of abilities some time before you are able to tag along.
Also, safe bet that wasn't invisibility since I can see it, RJ has blindsense, and Cade has touchsight. So I'm guessing Faust beat me to the punch with a Temporal Acceleration.
Hmm. Would Visions from the Past show me what went on during aYeah, I think we'll say that works. Perhaps your ability has a "slow motion" control. :DTime StopTemporal Acceleration if I'm using it in that area?
Sorry, thought you probably wouldn't do a thorough search at the moment... It's basically a small room with a desk... which happens to be inside a dimensional pocket...
In the blink of an eye, Faust appears, with a comically tragic (or tragically comic...) look of surprise on his face. As his mouth begins to speak (likely to beg for his life), he is cut off abruptly as he is simultaneously pierced in half a dozen different places by your various weapons. His corpse twitches a bit as it rolls out of the cabinet and onto the cottage floor.(click to show/hide)
Besides, Cade can always retaliate by having Raoul wake up on the elemental plane of cocks, so there's that. ;)Which is probably written up in one of the Tomes... (Tome of Cocks?)
Besides, Cade can always retaliate by having Raoul wake up on the elemental plane of cocks, so there's that. ;)
I think we can find a good middle ground here, but I'll need to think on it a bit once I get home from work.Would like to hear your further thoughts on this, as it is going to be important in the very near future. :P I'm thinking giving it a Reflex save seems appropriate. Otherwise, Cade basically auto-wins against any solo encounter which doesn't outright kill/incapacitate him in the surprise/first round.
Mine are set to show details on mouse-over.And so are the others... OK, you guys are way cooler than me. I admit it. :pout (Gotta figure out how to do that now... :P )
As for the Treadmill, my instinct is to suggest opposed HD checks (or CR, with how much Tome loves basing stuff on CR) on activation as opposed to a save, maybe.Hmm... that's an interesting idea. I'd rather not make it a truly opposed check, but maybe a modified level check would work (using 10+CR as the target DC, and 1d20+CR for the roll). Truly opposed checks are just too random.
Right now I'm interested in what kind of protections you have against being detected/seen, magically or otherwise. :eh
Orgesht has items that give him access to the Darkstalker feat and the Dark Template (HIPS), but no scry protection.Hmm... the partial save idea has some merit, I think. Maybe double (or triple) the range if they succeed (which still might foil their attack(s)), but if they fail they get the current result. After a round or two, they might figure out the "trick" and adjust their range, but its still a very useful ability I think.
As for Xeno's Treadmill, any of the options discussed sound reasonable to me. Another possibility might be to tack on a save with a penalty calculated to have single BBEG's make it half the time + or -, and to have lieutenant enemies fail most of the time. Or add a partial save system with degrees of success determining the adjusted range to Cade.
I think I should be good even if she beat me on initiative (which is plausible under the circumstances, even with my 35), since I can just spend a few Moments to auto-dodge the shots. Enter the Matrix and all that.Her initiative is 30. So Marlowe actually gets to "react" before she even fires her first shot. (Damn Time Bandits :P )
A good butler is always prompt to answer the door.Of course. ;)
So what's up with that Listen check? :DWhat about Flat-footed Touch? (Unless you don't lose Dex to AC while sleeping. :P )
Also, the first attack hits my flat-footed AC, but the second does not hit either flat-footed or touch. :)
Hmm, sort of like Entropic Shield but with perfect stopping power,Ah hell... I was thinking it was save vs. Paralysis, not Stunning...and minus the stopping of rays? That's quite different from how it's currently worded, but therein lies the problem as it is. I do kind of like the idea that the Warper surrounds his/herself with more warped space which can stop projectiles, but someone with a melee weapon is exerting their personal force on the weapon and so it negates the field.
Also, it makes it feel like Neo in the Matrix when he stops all the bullets in mid air. :P
Also, Cade still can't use most of his abilities since he can't take actions while Stunned. Anything that's a Free action or no action, maybe, but move/standard/swift are all still no-no's. Unfortunately. :shakefist
Edit: Did Marlowe make his saving throws? Or did he avoid all of the attacks because he went first, and dodged them all (I'm guessing the latter)?The latter. Hey, you're the one who said bullet time, I just went with it. Also, since I just spotted that, happy birthday!
Time to get a 3rd Eye of Clarity? :p
But do we get to act in surprise round? That actually makes a big difference in how much damage Orgesht takes.Unless you have something like Marlowe's ability (which explicitly says you do), no. You didn't have any warning that she was coming. If Cade had been awake, he'd probably have sense her with his Warp Sense (because it is Transdimensional).
First of all, congrats on your B-day, Phaedrus.2 rounds. Did you attempt the saving throw at least? You might get a natural 20... He also should have a +1 to all of his base saves from leveling up (if you'd finally do that :P ).
Second of all, I hope you guys survive this so I can actually force Phaedrus to read down my list of nefarious plans one item at a time. I'm out for however long that stunning goes. :D
Granted PowersThis applies automatically. So he's not actually stunned.
For a total time per day of 1 round per cleric level you possess, you can act normally regardless of magical effects that impede movement as if you were affected by the spell freedom of movement. This effect occurs automatically as soon as it applies, lasts until it runs out or is no longer needed, and can operate multiple times per day (up to the total daily limit of rounds).
EDIT: Also! Is whatever she's pulling with Lucid Dreaming there something I should roll some sort of knowledge on to get an idea of what it is (and thus get a chance to try and shut it down, if she recovers from the stun)?Know (Planes) or Lucid Dreaming checks would be appropriate. I'll try to figure out what the DC should be...
What is Orghest's DC for the Desolate Beauty of Decay? I always forget about that ability...
Should I roll initiative, or just assume I'm last due to having been asleep?Go ahead and roll. I'd imagine being shot would wake someone up pretty quickly. :P
I'm actually not sure I can shut down magic items the way I can spells. But stripping her should work - sounds like a job for Raoul.
That said, killing the mirror image first is probably a good idea in any case to save us the hassle of finding the real one first.
I am dead.From the Chain Lightning? You've got a decent shot at making the Will saves to negate them entirely, right?
EDIT: Wait wait wait, I just remembered. I'm an Evil Outsider. If outside my natural plane of existence, I don't die, I get banished. :P
I am dead.From the Chain Lightning? You've got a decent shot at making the Will saves to negate them entirely, right?
EDIT: Wait wait wait, I just remembered. I'm an Evil Outsider. If outside my natural plane of existence, I don't die, I get banished. :P
Also, Cade could in theory follow her, sure. I don't know how wise that'd be under the circumstances, but it's certainly possible. Worst comes to worst, he could presumably just jump right back on his turn?
So where are we headed? I keep forgetting if we're in the past yet or if that part was supposed to come after killing Dingus.You're definitely in the past. You went through a time portal in limbo and popped out in Faust's office.
If it's still the "present" we can still head back to the Hells so as to rest up (and try contacting X again). If not, well, then we'll need somewhere else.
It doesn't really matter. But I have to call bullshit on the idea of the just revivified Raoul being able to garrote himself to death before RJ could do something horrible to him. RJ's reaction time (in terms of init bonus) is almost three times as fast as Raoul's. I think lethal auto-asphyxiation would require a hanging setup like Carradine's. And lastly, the mention of payback was given telepathically.Agree but it doesn't really matter. :P Hell, it's not like she couldn't stab him a couple of times while he was choking himself out, either.
Anywhere that's not the Dreamheart, for starters. We should probably make a few jumps just to throw off Mary Poppins if she heals up and tries chasing after us, and maybe take a few precautions against scrying as well. Then I think we'll want to find somewhere relatively safe so Cade can actually take that nap. I think the possibility of Hades or Gehenna was mentioned on the grounds that both places are so awful no one would want to go chasing us there.
Did you guys have an encounter where one of you (Raoul, actually) got close to his "Time clone", and saw what happens? Or did I just imagine that/have it in the secret backstory in my head?...Anywhere that's not the Dreamheart, for starters. We should probably make a few jumps just to throw off Mary Poppins if she heals up and tries chasing after us, and maybe take a few precautions against scrying as well. Then I think we'll want to find somewhere relatively safe so Cade can actually take that nap. I think the possibility of Hades or Gehenna was mentioned on the grounds that both places are so awful no one would want to go chasing us there.
How afraid of time paradoxes are we?
Raoul was a special case, I think, since the original was pretty much unmoored in time from a previous encounter with the Lochnar, and we ran into him in Myth Drannor. That being said, we were pretty far back in time, so we never had the chance to run into past versions of anyone else, so the possibility still exists.Did you guys have an encounter where one of you (Raoul, actually) got close to his "Time clone", and saw what happens? Or did I just imagine that/have it in the secret backstory in my head?...Anywhere that's not the Dreamheart, for starters. We should probably make a few jumps just to throw off Mary Poppins if she heals up and tries chasing after us, and maybe take a few precautions against scrying as well. Then I think we'll want to find somewhere relatively safe so Cade can actually take that nap. I think the possibility of Hades or Gehenna was mentioned on the grounds that both places are so awful no one would want to go chasing us there.
How afraid of time paradoxes are we?
I'm pretty sure I at least mentioned it (or should have)... Basically, if you get within a mile or so (I think I have actual rules on this somewhere...), you start having headaches and the closer you get the worse things get, till Bad ThingsTM happen if you get within around visual range of each other.
Anyway, depending on how far back we are, Raoul will probably be on mission somewhere else. They can just rest up at his bachelor pad in whatever dimension he used to live in. He knows all the codes and passwords, and going after a demon in his or her home plane is a bad enough idea.I'm fine with this. Ever seen Primer? :D
You mean the movie that made that last surprise round look completely linear?Anyway, depending on how far back we are, Raoul will probably be on mission somewhere else. They can just rest up at his bachelor pad in whatever dimension he used to live in. He knows all the codes and passwords, and going after a demon in his or her home plane is a bad enough idea.I'm fine with this. Ever seen Primer? :D
Anywhere that's not the Dreamheart, for starters. We should probably make a few jumps just to throw off Mary Poppins if she heals up and tries chasing after us, and maybe take a few precautions against scrying as well. Then I think we'll want to find somewhere relatively safe so Cade can actually take that nap. I think the possibility of Hades or Gehenna was mentioned on the grounds that both places are so awful no one would want to go chasing us there.
I am the boner of my sword.
Steel is my shaft and fire is my cum.
I have defiled over a thousand maidens
And they never even saw it coming.
I've done enough hentai to know where this is going.
As so, as I smirk
Unlimited Rape Works
Any plans to continue this sometime in the future, or is the availability of time forbidding it for now?No time right now... Maybe in July (I get that month off from school).
Did we ever get enough diamond dust to ressurrect Raoul's enormous genitalia separately?I have not peeked.
EDIT: Also, tell me you didn't spy the secret spoilers. :smirk
How far did you go? I faintly remember them getting more insane as they went.About 23 I think. It involved a secret society of Raoul clones, reporting to each other through some kind of complicated cell system that kept them from being tracked back to him. :D