LoM: Grell, juveniles and hatchingling - no reach listed

[ksbsnowowl]

In Lords of Madness the Grell was updated to 3.5, and truncated stat blocks were given for Grell Juveniles (Small) and Grell Hatchlings (Tiny).  A normal 5 HD adult Grell is Medium, with 10-foot reach on its tentacles.  The Face/Reach entry was left out of the truncated stat blocks.

Should the Small 2 HD Juveniles (CR 2) still have 10-foot reach?  Should the Tiny Hatchlings (CR 1/3) have 5-foot reach?

I could see the Juveniles going either way (10 foot or 5 foot reach); they still get 10 tentacle attacks, and the paralysis poison DC scales up by 1 for each tentacle that hits.  For a CR 2, I could see doing away with the reach.

For the Hatchlings, I really think they ought to have 5-foot reach (greater than normal for a Tiny creature).  This makes them viable threats (rather than just dying to the PC's AoO as it enters their space), and a similar thing is often seen in Tiny Wyrmling dragons (who get reach with their bite, but nothing else).  Note that the Hatchlings only get 1 tentacle attack that deals 1 damage, and has a DC 5 save versus paralysis.

[The_Laughing_Man]

Maybe this rule:

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/movementPositionAndDistance.htm#bigandLittleCreaturesInCombat

EDIT:
Ah, there is another source of information:
Expedition to the Undermountain, p.72, which is official 3.5 material, an adventure module

It has juvenile grell stat block, and it says reach 5 ft (10 ft with tentacles).

No luck with the hatchling.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

realmshelps is missing that stat block info too.

[ksbsnowowl]

Maybe this rule:

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/movementPositionAndDistance.htm#bigandLittleCreaturesInCombat

EDIT:
Ah, there is another source of information:
Expedition to the Undermountain, p.72, which is official 3.5 material, an adventure module

It has juvenile grell stat block, and it says reach 5 ft (10 ft with tentacles).

No luck with the hatchling.

Hey thanks!  That helps a bunch!  The fact the Juvenile maintains greater-than-normal reach for its size just affirms that the hatchling should as well (giving it 5-foot reach).  Excellent.

[The_Laughing_Man]

yay, +1 for me  , thanks!

Maybe, you could mark this as solved? Well, at least it is partially solved.