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Re: Out of Character Chat
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2011, 11:06:00 PM »
Excellent, so is that a ECL 0 or 1? I usually dont play psionic characters. But your game sounds so good Im gonna go out of my comfort zone :D  I will prob just go straight psychic warrior for the first few levels to keep it simple. Probably going with a spear or spiked chain. Just a general swiss army knife meat shield type build :P
It's LA 0. I can help you with a build, if you want, but straight psiwarrior is fine. Or you could post a thread on it in the min-max section. There are a lot of people who are big fans of psionics who I'm sure would be happy to help you out.
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« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2011, 11:18:23 AM »
Yeah, sorry about that.
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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2011, 11:42:49 AM »
Yeah, sorry about that.
All ready to go now :)
No problem. I'll try to take a look at your char sheet when I get a chance. I PMed Tshern. If I don't hear back from him within a day or two, we'll just go ahead without him.
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Re: Out of Character Chat
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2011, 11:13:49 AM »
Hi people. Thinking about throwing together a DFA today, would that suit you? One could count BFC and the constant Endure elements effect given by Endure exposure invocation as definite positives. Probably quite constitution-based as I do not intend to use invocations with saves, but that probably isn't a problem. How do you feel about that?
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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2011, 01:50:19 AM »
As a guy sloooooowly building a frontliner, some BFC is always welcome! Endure elements is probably something we're gonna need anyway, so that'd be a plus too.
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« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2011, 02:32:46 AM »
As a guy sloooooowly building a frontliner, some BFC is always welcome! Endure elements is probably something we're gonna need anyway, so that'd be a plus too.

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Sorry for the delay. I will try to get this guy atleast started(if not mostly finished) tonight :D
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« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2011, 08:23:55 AM »
I am also something of a knowledge monkey. Got a flat +10 bonus to all knowledges and can do checks untrained, which is nice. I put some more emphasis on a couple of skills, but what I have now is a decent start. Due to being Warforger, my social skills are a bit subpar though.
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Re: Out of Character Chat
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2011, 09:17:03 AM »
I am also something of a knowledge monkey. Got a flat +10 bonus to all knowledges and can do checks untrained, which is nice. I put some more emphasis on a couple of skills, but what I have now is a decent start. Due to being Warforger, my social skills are a bit subpar though.
You're going to be a warforged? Hmm... this could be interesting. :D I hadn't even thought how they'd fit into this civilization. I might have you be a relic from the past, unearthed (by someone... we'll decide/discuss later). Reminds me of my character here a bit.

The only other option would be basically to be something created by the government, but I doubt they'd just exile you if you didn't function in the way they wanted. They'd probably destroy you... unless they wanted to just monitor you remotely as an experiment.

While constructs within the cities are fairly common, they're all powered through mythals, and don't function more than a mile outside the city walls. The government probably wouldn't want to create free-willed ones, anyway, at least not on a massive scale, and especially not ones that can function at a long distance away from the city. (I never understood the reasoning for the warforged in Eberron, in truth... )

I'll probably have the new people coming in as already having joined with the Exiled rebel faction, and being sent to meet up with the new "recruits" (the original PCs).
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Re: Out of Character Chat
« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2011, 07:09:47 PM »
Aye, a Warforged. The idea is that he was build to be a cash machine for a greedy dragon, who did not survive his twilight. I think twilight (not the books or movies, damnit!) was described in Draconomicon. Anyway, the dragon died and the cash machine left, but could not leave his programming behind and is constantly calculating wealth, probabilities and whatnot.
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« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2011, 07:46:02 PM »
Aye, a Warforged. The idea is that he was build to be a cash machine for a greedy dragon, who did not survive his twilight. I think twilight (not the books or movies, damnit!) was described in Draconomicon. Anyway, the dragon died and the cash machine left, but could not leave his programming behind and is constantly calculating wealth, probabilities and whatnot.
Sounds like fun. :D
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« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2011, 01:03:30 PM »
Got some builds Mocked up. I would love all you Psionic masters to take a look. Feedback appreciated :D

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« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2011, 01:59:22 PM »
You know, now I'm wondering... is there anything stopping me from taking 1 level in 20 classes and just picking up class abilities like candy?  I'm sure I can find 20 classes/PrCs with the sort of abilities I'd like to add to my character...

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« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2011, 02:45:12 PM »
You know, now I'm wondering... is there anything stopping me from taking 1 level in 20 classes and just picking up class abilities like candy?  I'm sure I can find 20 classes/PrCs with the sort of abilities I'd like to add to my character...
Go for it. Discounting things with "advanced progression", like Ur-Priest, at ECL 20 you're going to wind up with a character with 10 sets of class abilities that are all level appropriate for ECL 10. Right? You can probably make something useful out of that, but I think it would be hard to make something overpowered. Or am I missing something?

Here are the specifics of what I wrote down earlier:
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# If you get an ability twice (Evasion, Telepathy, etc), we'll let them stack in whatever manner seems appropriate. So Evasion twice would upgrade to Improved Evasion. Telepathy twice would likely just add the ranges, etc.
# Half racial hit dice count towards class progressions, for all purposes.
# Likewise, half the levels in non-manifesting/casting classes will add to your caster/manifester progression, for all purposes including powers known, power points, ML, etc. So a psion 2/fighter 2 would manifest powers as a psion 3. This will work for most other abilities too, like Binding (ToM Binder), sneak attack progression, etc. We'll look at each on a case-by-case basis.

I was thinking of base classes when I wrote that. I'm not sure if it would work out how I imagined if you started applying it to things like wizard 18/incantatrix 1/mage of the arcane order 1 to get the abilities of someone with 10 levels in Incantatrix + 10 levels in MotAO, plus the bonus feats from 15 levels of wizard... That certainly wasn't the intent... if that's what you had in mind.
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« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2011, 03:21:40 PM »
Ah, ok.  I was thinking of adding up the class abilities of Unseen Seer, Crystal Master, Elocator... lol.  Not the manifesting, though, I was thinking that the progression there was more of a gestalt kinda thing.

In that case, I'll probably stick to just Unseen Seer for a PrC for 10 of my levels, but the other 10 will certainly get more interesting...

What about Racial Paragon Classes?  I was planning on picking up Xeph Paragon.

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« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2011, 03:35:36 PM »
Ah, ok.  I was thinking of adding up the class abilities of Unseen Seer, Crystal Master, Elocator... lol.  Not the manifesting, though, I was thinking that the progression there was more of a gestalt kinda thing.

In that case, I'll probably stick to just Unseen Seer for a PrC for 10 of my levels, but the other 10 will certainly get more interesting...

What about Racial Paragon Classes?  I was planning on picking up Xeph Paragon.
I was thinking this would work for things that could be basically evaluated as a formula (sneak attack = 1/2 rogue level, etc). For those things, "other" classes besides the one you got the ability from would add 1/2 their levels to the calculation, with a cap of what a single-classed character of that class of your level would have.

I know I didn't explain it all that well, but that was the idea...  :P This would include things like maximum spell/power known, # vestiges you can bind, etc. I don't think it should include actually granting you new powers/spells known, but I'm kind of on the fence about that, and might be persuaded otherwise.

Basically, I dislike the way multiclassing works in standard 3.5, and think the ToB method works a lot better. So expanding that to everything else was the idea. It's just a bit hard to word it in a generic way.
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« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2011, 03:48:14 PM »
haha I thought I had it. But then I got confused   :bigeyes  I will probably just stay single class until I PRC or something idk.. I guess it just depends on how fast we level  :P No since in planning my build out to far
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« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2011, 03:55:19 PM »
Ok, I think I'm getting closer to understanding this... I probably knew what you were talking about back when we played at first, and then forgot sometime in the interim.

Let's take, say... an Ogre Factotum 2.  Strange combination, sure, but that's beside the point...

The Ogre Factotum 2 has the full class abilities of a Factotum 4, and basically just reads the Spell Level, Inspiration Points, and Special columns as if he were such, although he calculates his HP, BAB, etc. as a level 4 giant/level 2 factotum.

Something a little more practical, say a Psion 4/Factotum 2 has an ML of 5, 25 power points, and can theoretically learn 3rd-level powers, but wouldn't actually know any if he took these classes in this order.  Also, he would only have the class features of a level 2 Factotum, but if he took a 3rd level, then maybe he'd gain his 4th inspiration point (as a Factotum 5 would)?

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« Reply #37 on: December 06, 2011, 03:57:50 PM »
haha I thought I had it. But then I got confused   :bigeyes  I will probably just stay single class until I PRC or something idk.. I guess it just depends on how fast we level  :P No since in planning my build out to far
Basically the idea was if you're a rogue 1/fighter 8, you'd have sneak attack of 3d6 instead of 1d6, because half your fighter levels add to your rogue levels for calculating it.


Or for another example, if you progress as follows for your first 8 levels:

psion 1
fighter 1-6
psion 2

When you hit psion 2 (at ECL 8), you could pick two 3rd level powers instead of 1st level ones, as your manifester level would be 5 (counting half your fighter levels) for the purpose of determining your max power level (and when you manifest powers, try to beat spell/power resistance, etc). You'd also calculate your power points as if you were a 5th level psion instead of a 2nd level one. You wouldn't get a bonus feat, though, as you didn't actually take the 5th level of psion. (And likewise no dipping fighter for 1 level to get the bonus feats of a fighter 10 at 20th level :P ).


@X-codes: Yeah, that sounds correct, though I don't know much about Factotums. So that might not be the best example to use for me. ;)
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« Reply #38 on: December 06, 2011, 04:09:06 PM »
Ok, I think I understand that, now.

Now I have some other questions.  I'll put those up in the rules questions thread.

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« Reply #39 on: December 06, 2011, 06:42:19 PM »
haha I thought I had it. But then I got confused   :bigeyes  I will probably just stay single class until I PRC or something idk.. I guess it just depends on how fast we level  :P No since in planning my build out to far
Basically the idea was if you're a rogue 1/fighter 8, you'd have sneak attack of 3d6 instead of 1d6, because half your fighter levels add to your rogue levels for calculating it.


Or for another example, if you progress as follows for your first 8 levels:

psion 1
fighter 1-6
psion 2

When you hit psion 2 (at ECL 8), you could pick two 3rd level powers instead of 1st level ones, as your manifester level would be 5 (counting half your fighter levels) for the purpose of determining your max power level (and when you manifest powers, try to beat spell/power resistance, etc). You'd also calculate your power points as if you were a 5th level psion instead of a 2nd level one. You wouldn't get a bonus feat, though, as you didn't actually take the 5th level of psion. (And likewise no dipping fighter for 1 level to get the bonus feats of a fighter 10 at 20th level :P ).


@X-codes: Yeah, that sounds correct, though I don't know much about Factotums. So that might not be the best example to use for me. ;)

I have no idea how I missed all of this, but a Psion dip is pretty much guaranteed in my build now :V