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wild shape limits
« on: October 19, 2015, 07:04:45 PM »
For a multiclass druid, is the maximum HD of the shapes she can choose to wildshape into limited by her full HD or her druid levels?

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Re: wild shape limits
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2015, 08:59:37 PM »
mostly just your druid levels.

some thing stack, most don't

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Re: wild shape limits
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2015, 01:40:09 AM »
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The new form's Hit Dice can't exceed the character's druid level.
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Re: wild shape limits
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2015, 04:43:49 PM »
Anyone to break the tie? Seems it might be a matter of RAI vs RAW and the results are kind of important

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Re: wild shape limits
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2015, 04:56:23 PM »
Uh, there aren't differing rules there.  They both say "can't go above druid level."  Altpersona mentions there is potential for exceptions though, and some do exist such as the Master of Many Forms PrC which explicitly says its levels stack with your druid levels for the purposes of Wild Shape.

Unless the character explicitly has an ability which says they can go above just their druid levels, they are limited by their druid levels.

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Re: wild shape limits
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2015, 05:34:57 PM »
Ok, the master of many forms thing solves any doubts for rules interpretation. Thank you

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Re: wild shape limits
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2015, 12:42:06 PM »
Just like the turning rules (effective cleric level or EClerL), you want to max effective druid level (EDL). Bloodlines help with this.

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Re: wild shape limits
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2015, 12:53:29 PM »
Oriental Adventure's Shapeshifter PrC is one of the few ways i remember that allow you to exceed that hard limit
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Re: wild shape limits
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2015, 11:48:48 AM »
Oriental Adventure's Shapeshifter PrC is one of the few ways i remember that allow you to exceed that hard limit

bear warrior, though not as useful for most builds.

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Re: wild shape limits
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2015, 12:38:13 AM »
Unless I'm reading things wrong... a Druid10/Wildshape Ranger10 would have a max HD of 15 for Wildshape, since a Ranger's effective druid level is 1/2 their ranger level...
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Re: wild shape limits
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2015, 02:34:03 AM »
Unless I'm reading things wrong... a Druid10/Wildshape Ranger10 would have a max HD of 15 for Wildshape, since a Ranger's effective druid level is 1/2 their ranger level...

Eh?

Quote from: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm
A ranger might forgo training in weapon combat in exchange for the ability to take animal form and move swiftly through the woodlands.

Gain
Wild shape (as druid; Small or Medium animals only), fast movement (as barbarian).

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Combat style, improved combat style, combat style mastery.
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Re: wild shape limits
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2015, 04:44:07 AM »
Unless I'm reading things wrong... a Druid10/Wildshape Ranger10 would have a max HD of 15 for Wildshape, since a Ranger's effective druid level is 1/2 their ranger level...

As per link above^
That "only counts as a druid of 1/2 their ranger level" only applies to Animal Companions and Spells.

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Re: wild shape limits
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2015, 01:43:54 PM »
Oriental Adventure's Shapeshifter PrC is one of the few ways i remember that allow you to exceed that hard limit

bear warrior, though not as useful for most builds.

That's not wild shape though.
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Re: wild shape limits
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2015, 11:16:23 AM »
Which is why it stacks in my ultimate bear build. AKA:

Yo dawg, I heard you like bears, so I turned into bears while turning into bears.

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Re: wild shape limits
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2015, 03:11:50 PM »
Oriental Adventure's Shapeshifter PrC is one of the few ways i remember that allow you to exceed that hard limit

bear warrior, though not as useful for most builds.

That's not wild shape though.

huh, i thought for sure i had read somewhere that class was also wild shape based. the 3.5 OA update dragon mag perhaps?

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Re: wild shape limits
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2015, 08:37:31 PM »
Shapeshifter is, but Bear Warrior got updated in CW
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