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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #140 on: July 05, 2013, 07:49:39 PM »
I've got 28,000ish remaining. I could use suggestions also.

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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #141 on: July 05, 2013, 07:58:05 PM »
We're really bad with this 'money' thing.

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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #142 on: July 05, 2013, 08:01:31 PM »
I've got 28,000ish remaining. I could use suggestions also.

What's the deal with your Spellsoul weapon? It doesn't cost money?  :huh


EDIT:
We're really bad with this 'money' thing.
If only we were able to use Pure Alloys that you made. :(

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CNC: How about some discipline items?
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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #143 on: July 05, 2013, 08:13:49 PM »
I've got 28,000ish remaining. I could use suggestions also.

What's the deal with your Spellsoul weapon? It doesn't cost money?  :huh

It's a class feature.  ACF replacing the Familiar that spellshape champions get at lv4

We're really bad with this 'money' thing.
If only we were able to use Pure Alloys that you made. :(

We sort of can. You can't use casting/manifesting or SLAs/PLAs while using pure metal items, but everything else still works, and the item has to be "equipped," so you can have a backup weapon and switch it out when you want to use the stuff that gets turned off. 

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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #144 on: July 05, 2013, 08:35:41 PM »
And you can't use any alloys that I make. Like, at all. XD

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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #145 on: July 05, 2013, 09:14:38 PM »
I've got 28,000ish remaining. I could use suggestions also.

You also have no ammo for that bow of yours except that single arrow.
You have stat increasing items that could be improved upon.
Various defensive item properties exist. Surviving is always a good investment of money.

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I'll just leave this here for you.

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Your main problem with spending money is that you haven't yet gotten any more of the Pure Metal items beyond your base equipment. Vials of Powder and Shackles have already been mentioned.
Again, Mythril Powder removes enchantments, and Stheno is immortal.

I also mentioned other, useful, mundane items are out there.
I'll just leave this here for you to get some inspiration.
I mean, just because you don't need the Anitoxin + Auran Mask ("special wet cloth"), doesn't mean you can't buy some and hand it out before the Hydra.
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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #146 on: July 05, 2013, 09:19:31 PM »
I'll see what I can come up with in the morning.

My normal problem is that stuff in D&D is so heavy

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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #147 on: July 05, 2013, 09:22:11 PM »
I can carry some for you, if needed. I'm treated as gargantuan and a quadruped.

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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #148 on: July 05, 2013, 09:23:40 PM »
Yeah, and Bulky.
And you can't have a haversack.

Of course, if you buy a sack and throw the whole Athenian temple in it, I might even start to notice.
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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #149 on: July 06, 2013, 10:58:10 AM »
@Fire
I'll just leave this here for you.

I added a Cloak of Resistance +2, and an Amulet of Fortune Prevailing.

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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #150 on: July 06, 2013, 11:30:58 AM »
Now that I think about it, I've got quickdraw and the Hylian Warrior ability to switch weapons as a free action, and if I'm fighting at range, I can't channel spellshaping through my attacks anyway.

Can Athanasia craft pure metal weapons (specifically, a bow of some sort) for the party for cheap, or would we need to pay full price?

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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #151 on: July 06, 2013, 12:21:43 PM »
Am I correct to assume that Pure Metal arrows can't be fired from magical bows?

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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #152 on: July 06, 2013, 02:08:02 PM »
Can Athanasia craft pure metal weapons (specifically, a bow of some sort) for the party for cheap, or would we need to pay full price?

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You can now craft Pure Metal items (any metal weapons if you have the ranks in Weaponsmithing, any metal armor if you have the ranks in Armorsmithing, all metal options if you have ranks in the two skills).

Bows aren't metal.

Beyond that, I don't like limiting peoples pre-game crafting, since that just motivates them to stop everything and do their crafting as soon as the game starts anyway. However, when it comes to crafting for other party members, I tend to be recalcitrant about it unless the characters knew one another previously.

Am I correct to assume that Pure Metal arrows can't be fired from magical bows?
I would say that the bow just wouldn't grant any magical bonus, counting as mundane. But ask Osle.
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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #153 on: July 06, 2013, 02:16:25 PM »
I imagine you might be able to make a Pure Mithril bow, but... :lmao

I wish he'd listed the price for shackles and vials. Would make it so much simpler to work out what I should buy. >.<

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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #154 on: July 06, 2013, 02:32:55 PM »
I was actually thinking that a (theoretical) Pure Mithril bow would be pretty awesome, since that would give me 14 AoO's per round, but I think I'd be giving up too much.

If I can fire Pure Metal arrows from my normal bow though... :smirk

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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #155 on: July 06, 2013, 02:55:12 PM »
I asked on the pure crafting thread. You can fire them from it but they are to sexy pure for your bow and thus do not benefit from its magical properties.

So probably not worth it.

However, do snipers really get to make ranged AoOs? If so you should absolutely get a pure mythril  bow, just on general principles because that is ridiculous.

There are price formulas for the shackles and vials listed. If you're having trouble converting the formulas into actual prices, I'll do it in a bit.

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These are prices to craft. Prices to buy are x3

Vials
Adamantine: 120gp
Mithral: 37gp
Silver: 21gp
Gold: 27gp
Cold Iron: 20gp
Room Temperature Iron: 20gp

Shackles
Adamantine: 1,208gp
Mithral: 1867gp
Silver: 260gp
Gold: 800gp
Cold Iron: 250gp
Room Temperature Iron: 200gp
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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #156 on: July 06, 2013, 03:15:44 PM »
Yeah, something about spiked chains and daggers... sucks to have to work it out every time for something with a fixed cost like that. :/

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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #157 on: July 06, 2013, 03:48:08 PM »
I asked on the pure crafting thread. You can fire them from it but they are to sexy pure for your bow and thus do not benefit from its magical properties.

So probably not worth it.

However, do snipers really get to make ranged AoOs? If so you should absolutely get a pure mythril  bow, just on general principles because that is ridiculous.

Orion has all of the following (3x Trick Shots and 2x Feats):
Quote from: Sniper
Whites of Their Eyes:
Prerequisites: None
Benefit: With this trick, a Sniper threatens all squares in her normal reach, and can use her ranged weapon to make Attacks of Opportunity.
Normal: Only melee weapons can be used to make Attacks of Opportunity.

Double Jeopardy:
Prerequisites: Whites of Their Eyes
Benefit: This trick allows a Sniper to threaten any square (or squares) occupied by creatures she hit in the previous round.  If anyone moves through those squares, the Sniper may make an Attack of Opportunity against them with her ranged weapon.
Special:This does not allow a Sniper to take more than one Attack of Opportunity per round unless she has some other ability granting this (e.g. Combat Reflexes).

And Your Little Dog Too:
Prerequisites: Whites of Their Eyes, Double Jeopardy
Benefit: This trick allows a Sniper to threaten any squares threatened by creatures she hit in the previous round.  If anyone moves through those squares, the Sniper may make an Attack of Opportunity against them with her ranged weapon.
Special:This does not allow a Sniper to take more than one Attack of Opportunity per round unless she has some other ability granting this (e.g. Combat Reflexes).



Alert Reaction
Prerequisites: None
Benefit: You may make a number of additional attacks of opportunity equal to your Wisdom bonus.  You may also make attacks of opportunity while flat footed.  You can still only make one attack of opportunity per opportunity.
Special:This feat counts as Combat Reflexes for the purposes of prerequisites.  This feat does not stack with Combat Reflexes; only one ability modifier may be used to determine extra attacks of opportunity.  This feat does not allow you to threaten any areas or make attacks of opportunity with a ranged weapon.

Improved Alert Reaction
Prerequisites: Combat Reflexes, BAB +8   
Benefit: You can make a number of attacks of opportunity against the same target for one opportunity equal to the number of iterative attacks you have.  This feat does not allow you to make more attacks of opportunity per round than you would otherwise be able.  For example, your Wisdom (or Dex) modifier is +2, so you get 3 attacks of opportunity per round, and your BAB is +9, so you get 2 iterative attacks.  Two creatures move through the area you threaten.  You can make 2 attacks of opportunity against one creature, and one against the other.
Special: This feat does not allow you to threaten any areas or make attacks of opportunity with a ranged weapon.

So, how much for a Pure Mythril bow? I guess I could have it as a secondary weapon, for the right price. :smirk

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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #158 on: July 06, 2013, 04:05:44 PM »
A mithral bow isn't all that expensive. 1500 (500 to craft) for the mithral (500/ lb and longbows weigh 3 lbs), 75 (or 25) for the bow and 600 (or 200) for the pure metal. Mithral includes the masterwork price so you don't need to worry about that. Relicwork would be another 10,500 (or 3,500) but the relicwork power doesn't make you any better at AoOs, so the masterwork version for 2,175 (or 725 if Athanasia can craft them and give them to us at cost) total should be fine.

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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #159 on: July 06, 2013, 04:10:40 PM »
Guys:
Can Athanasia craft pure metal weapons (specifically, a bow of some sort) for the party for cheap, or would we need to pay full price?

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You can now craft Pure Metal items (any metal weapons if you have the ranks in Weaponsmithing, any metal armor if you have the ranks in Armorsmithing, all metal options if you have ranks in the two skills).

Bows aren't metal.

Unless you can cite otherwise.
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