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Re: OCC: A Nessecity
« Reply #360 on: August 02, 2014, 05:00:53 PM »
Hmm, I was going to shape Embrace of Flame on myself, then I remembered that I apparently used it on Strat's animal companion last round... There wasn't any mention of the effects, but my last post has it there anyway. And now Strat's got a flaming Serval standing around near him just waiting to pounce, which we've established they can't do. If we could retcon the last round I'd save the Embrace of Flame formula and use it this round. If not, I may have to alter my plans.  :blush
I'll be nice... this time  ;)

Just go ahead and edit your last turn, and you can use it instead this round.

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Re: OCC: A Nessecity
« Reply #361 on: August 02, 2014, 05:06:39 PM »
Ok, thanks. :D

It won't matter if the wolves don't come up to me, so much, but if they do then next round I can recover my maneuvers then use it on the serval the following round.

Unless Strat was counting on his serval companion having the boost right now, but it didn't look like he noticed it was there. *shrug*

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Re: OCC: A Nessecity
« Reply #362 on: August 02, 2014, 05:20:07 PM »
...but it didn't look like he noticed it was there. *shrug*
Yeah, that's probably my fault. Stupid DM disappearing for almost a week!  :P

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Re: OCC: A Nessecity
« Reply #363 on: August 04, 2014, 09:31:41 AM »
Forgot about the boost being there...

Was planning on making the wolves hit my cheap summons first, but if you want to be the sacrificial target, not going to complain :P

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Re: OCC: A Nessecity
« Reply #364 on: August 04, 2014, 06:03:12 PM »
I want to see if I can make them catch on fire. ;)

Nothing stopping your pets from attacking the wolves, however. I'll just have to position myself a bit differently.

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Re: OCC: A Nessecity
« Reply #365 on: August 06, 2014, 11:55:24 AM »
What does Grey see where he senses the airborne humanoid mind?
You see nothing.  The person must be invisible in some way.

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Re: OCC: A Nessecity
« Reply #366 on: August 08, 2014, 02:31:58 PM »
Phaedrus, were you going to do anything else with your turn?  Or just look for the mind's visual position?

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Re: OCC: A Nessecity
« Reply #367 on: August 08, 2014, 06:14:41 PM »
Was thinking of trying to hit him with a vial of Torchbug Paste, just hadn't had time to roll it...
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Re: OCC: A Nessecity
« Reply #368 on: August 08, 2014, 06:17:18 PM »
Was thinking of trying to hit him with a vial of Torchbug Paste, just hadn't had time to roll it...
No problem.  Just didn't want to overrun your turn.

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Re: OCC: A Nessecity
« Reply #369 on: August 08, 2014, 09:54:18 PM »
Hmm... I don't guess I can use Telekinetic Maneuver on him, can I? Since he still has total concealment, I don't think I can target him. However, since the attacks are "resolved as normal", that could arguably include the 50% miss chance...

Rolled the touch attack, assuming no... Got a nat 1...
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Re: OCC: A Nessecity
« Reply #370 on: August 09, 2014, 10:29:19 AM »
Hmm... I don't guess I can use Telekinetic Maneuver on him, can I? Since he still has total concealment, I don't think I can target him. However, since the attacks are "resolved as normal", that could arguably include the 50% miss chance...

Rolled the touch attack, assuming no... Got a nat 1...
Nope. You must be able to see (or touch) the target.
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Some spells have a target or targets. You cast these spells on creatures or objects, as defined by the spell itself. You must be able to see or touch the target, and you must specifically choose that target. You do not have to select your target until you finish casting the spell.

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Re: OCC: A Nessecity
« Reply #371 on: August 09, 2014, 12:43:38 PM »
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Target or Targets
Some spells have a target or targets. You cast these spells on creatures or objects, as defined by the spell itself. You must be able to see or touch the target, and you must specifically choose that target. You do not have to select your target until you finish casting the spell.
Right, but a strict interpretation also means you can't target someone if you can only "see" them via Blindsight, Touchsight, etc, which I think is obviously not RAI.

In this case, I think RAI likely is that you can't target though, as you still suffer the total concealment, making Mindsight more like Blindsense.
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Re: OCC: A Nessecity
« Reply #372 on: August 09, 2014, 11:41:13 PM »
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Target or Targets
Some spells have a target or targets. You cast these spells on creatures or objects, as defined by the spell itself. You must be able to see or touch the target, and you must specifically choose that target. You do not have to select your target until you finish casting the spell.
Right, but a strict interpretation also means you can't target someone if you can only "see" them via Blindsight, Touchsight, etc, which I think is obviously not RAI.

In this case, I think RAI likely is that you can't target though, as you still suffer the total concealment, making Mindsight more like Blindsense.
Gotcha.  That is how I would rule as well.  Anything that lets you "see" them without any concealment is good enough to target.  Just knowing their square (blindsense, mind sight, etc) does not allow you to target them.

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Re: OCC: A Nessecity
« Reply #373 on: August 11, 2014, 03:14:23 PM »
Just to make sure... Embrace the Flame by Serafina only affects adjacent creatures at the start of her (next) turn, right?  It won't effect any wolves that attack her, until her next round starts?

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Re: OCC: A Nessecity
« Reply #374 on: August 11, 2014, 05:13:09 PM »
Yep. They'll still be subject to her burn effect, though.

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Re: OCC: A Nessecity
« Reply #375 on: August 19, 2014, 11:39:02 AM »
Sorry for the long delay.  I traveled out of town for a funeral last week, and it took a few days for everything to get back to the normal swing of things once I got back.  ... I also have been voraciously devouring media coverage of part of my state nearly becoming a war zone, so that's been a bit distracting.

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Re: OCC: A Nessecity
« Reply #376 on: August 21, 2014, 09:40:23 AM »
I'm not sure I had enough dice rolls to do there. :P

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Re: OCC: A Nessecity
« Reply #377 on: August 21, 2014, 12:44:37 PM »
I'm not sure I had enough dice rolls to do there. :P
I thought the dustform servals lost pounce?

Also, the angle on charging is really too narrow for more than about two of them to actually get to a target.  The rules/angles are exceedingly restrictive.  A broad path the entire width of your space (given the angle at which you are traveling) must be completely free of creatures.  See the diagram from the PHB:



If the summoned ones get out of the way, your animal companion can certainly charge the north-most one around Serafina...
Let me know what you want to do.

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Re: OCC: A Nessecity
« Reply #378 on: August 21, 2014, 12:59:58 PM »
Ugh, yes, they do. This is what I get for using too many servals - I keep crossbreeding the two in my mind.  :facepalm

Charge using the AC first, and have the others fill in with the single slam attack they get at the end of the charge. Changes the damage slightly (adds +2 damage), but not the attack rolls. Those that can't charge, just double move into range of the wolves - they'll take AoOs, but with the DR, they should shrug most of it off.

The SDA spells only using animals and then taking away all of their special attacks is going to be really quite annoying over time  :shakefist

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Re: OCC: A Nessecity
« Reply #379 on: August 28, 2014, 03:17:28 PM »
Ah well, the servals shall have a fun time during the next round chewing up the wolves. At least my solution to every problem seems to be working :P