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Gaming Discussion => Gaming Advice => Topic started by: Tonymitsu on January 16, 2017, 04:50:49 PM

Title: Overcoming miss chances in E6
Post by: Tonymitsu on January 16, 2017, 04:50:49 PM
What's the best way for a ranged scout to deal with miss chances in E6?
Title: Re: Overcoming miss chances in E6
Post by: phaedrusxy on January 16, 2017, 07:03:09 PM
Well... it somewhat depends on the source, but the Gauntlets of Ghost Fighting are a cheap way to beat the miss chance from incorporealness (and they also work for spells...). IIRC there was a weapon ability called Blood Seeking that also helped, but that might only work against cover (not concealment). Edit: Seeking is the one that basically negates all miss chances, not Blood Seeking.
Title: Re: Overcoming miss chances in E6
Post by: Tonymitsu on January 16, 2017, 07:38:09 PM
Well... it somewhat depends on the source, but the Gauntlets of Ghost Fighting are a cheap way to beat the miss chance from incorporealness (and they also work for spells...). IIRC there was a weapon ability called Blood Seeking that also helped, but that might only work against cover (not concealment). Edit: Seeking is the one that basically negates all miss chances, not Blood Seeking.

Yeah, pretty much the problem is that Seeking needs a caster level of 12 and spells that don't exist in E6, and Improved Precise Shot requires BAB of +11. Gauntlets of Ghost Fighting also has a caster level requirement of 13 to create. Blood Seeking requires a caster level of 9th, and in any event explicitly does not function against concealment, so it wouldn't be of much help.

So far the only thing I can come up with that might be of any help is the Bracers of Accuracy in the MIC (duplicates the effect of Improved Precise Shot for spending 2 of 3 charges per day), and the Blindsighted weapon property from the same book. (Grants Blindsight out to 30 feet for 1 minute, 3 times per day. That can be used to ignore most concealment, right?)

I'm just trying to make sure I didn't miss anything
Title: Re: Overcoming miss chances in E6
Post by: phaedrusxy on January 16, 2017, 08:16:37 PM
Hmm... are those caster levels requirements? Or just the CL of the item, in case someone tries to Dispel it?
Title: Re: Overcoming miss chances in E6
Post by: Tonymitsu on January 16, 2017, 08:22:13 PM
Hmm... are those caster levels requirements? Or just the CL of the item, in case someone tries to Dispel it?

 :???
Is there a difference?


I mean, I know what it says in the introduction, but if you assume all created magic items must have a minimum caster level required to create them, then that statistic is not listed for any magic item printed in the MIC.
Title: Re: Overcoming miss chances in E6
Post by: phaedrusxy on January 16, 2017, 08:42:50 PM
I mean, I know what it says in the introduction, but if you assume all created magic items must have a minimum caster level required to create them, then that statistic is not listed for any magic item printed in the MIC.
I think that is an incorrect assumption. I believe this is even explicitly stated somewhere, but I can't recall where. DMG? Weapons and armor have a minimum CL based on the enhancement bonus, but I don't think other items do, unless explicitly stated.

Edit: A discussion (http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?56584-Caster-Level-and-Magic-Item-Creation), with links.

Edit2: Evidently this was actually clarified in the DMG errata. Link  (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?219812-Crafting-Magic-Items-Caster-Level)to another discussion, with a link to said errata, and a quote from it.

So yes, that's not a prereq.
Title: Re: Overcoming miss chances in E6
Post by: Tonymitsu on January 17, 2017, 06:31:25 AM
Huh... interesting.

So then the only restrictions on magic items in E6 are if you can cast or find scrolls of the spells?