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Title: OOC Discussion
Post by: AlisAtAn on June 04, 2012, 09:49:37 PM
Board is up!

For now, we`ll use this as a planning thread. Figure out your party roles, feedback on the char creation rules, etc.  Also, if everyone could figure out what they actually want to play (some of you threw out 2-3 different monsters, and others havent hinted at what they want to play yet), and post here for feedback, excellent.

We`ll be off in no time!

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We could Summon Dead Celestial Monkey... or, y'know, get a few Bags of Tricks with our WBL.

Bags of Tricks should be mandatory for any self-respecting skill-monkey.

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Does the free LA still apply if we use monster classes? I was going to go Tsochar 3 and grab a template on top of that, if it still applies

New rules, Osle`s stuff removes the need for funky houseruling. I`ll get them up later today. For now, you can safely ignore the first post in the old thread. No free LA, but if you have something you desperately want, I`m sure we can work out some way for you to get it on 2nd ECL. We could always play it out like you already were a templated version of your base species, and develop those abilities in the same way as you do your racial stuff. UA buyoff rules would still apply, but dont bring out any stupid stuff, there wont be any "feral, mineral warrior iron golems" in this game.  ;)

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    I`d rather not have any Tier 1 classes involved... Pretty hard to challenge on higher levels. Sorc is fine, but I`m not that familiar with Psionics. So Sorc, or something else with casting. Beguiler, Dread Necro, Bard, Warmage etc. Beguiler would supplement the innate deceitfulness of your race quite well, I think.  :smirk

At that low level the Tiers are somewhat reversed, (Tier 1 are pretty weak at that level), and at the speed of a forum game I think that we won't play at high levels on Tier 1 can break the game.

I`m really not all that experienced DM`ing, I`m usually the min\maxer
giving the DM high blood pressure (Might we why I`m such a sceptic)... For now, I`ll have to say no, but by the time Wrex gets his casting, I might have reconsidered, if there`s not already too many bumps in the road.  So I guess that`s a maybe, but dont plan on it.

If I missed a question in the old thread, repost here please.
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: VennDygrem on June 04, 2012, 10:19:54 PM
So, one idea I've got is playing this guy here, the Harssaf: http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=5456.0 which is a monster class I just wrote up. I may end up editing it based on feedback, but the core is there. Basically a finesse melee character.

Although, there are other monsters I'd like to give a shot, depending on party composition. Did everyone else decide what they wanted to play?
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: littha on June 04, 2012, 10:31:22 PM
I had been considering playing a Solar, especially as we are likley to be extremely low on spell casters.
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: Wrex on June 04, 2012, 11:38:10 PM
What house rules are we using? Things like max HP per die, skill modifications, feat modifications, etc.

Edit: and if Tsochar would be a nightmare because of the whole bodytheft thing, I can just pick up Tarrasque. Baby Tarasque is sooooo cute! <3
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: VennDygrem on June 04, 2012, 11:48:39 PM
Someone was playing a baby Tarrasque in another game I'm in. Depending on how you play it, it's very entertaining. :)

Here, feel free to read up on it if you like: http://plothook.net/RPG/showthread.php?t=20962
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: Wrex on June 05, 2012, 12:04:26 AM
Actually, I want to play so many diffrent things, I'll just fill whatever holes there are in the party. Tsochar works nice If I have someone to possess, but I'm not going to grapple a great wyrm red dragon unless I grab the Paragon PrC.
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: VennDygrem on June 05, 2012, 12:15:46 AM
We're starting at 3rd level... you won't be grappling great wyrm red dragons anytime soon.  :P
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: sirpercival on June 05, 2012, 04:56:53 AM
I posted my interests in the other thread.  As usual, I'll be playing some sort of caster...
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: Daedroth on June 05, 2012, 09:55:11 AM
We would buy our stats by point buy? How many points?
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: sirpercival on June 05, 2012, 10:28:18 AM
Do you mind if I don't use Myth-weavers, and just post my char sheet in the thread itself?  Here's (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=4149.msg57114#msg57114) what my blank looks like.

It seems like we have a couple people who are playing "something depending on the rest of the party".

Daedroth: Iron Golem (literal tank)
Venn: Harssaf (finesse melee)
littha: Solar (casty gisherton)
Wrex: Possibly tentacles, otherwise who knows.
sirp: Firre Eladrin or Ethergaunt [removed couatl]

The Firre would be more of a support guy, with maybe some Gish thrown in.  I'd probably build it to DFI.  However, this class isn't completely polished yet.
The Ethergaunt would probably be a conjurer.

Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: Wrex on June 05, 2012, 05:42:39 PM
We would buy our stats by point buy? How many points?

I should mention a spread of 18 16 16 14 12 10 is what I typically use. It ensures powerful characters, without giving bright, glowing weak points thats scream "HIT ME.", or forcing a character to be mediocre to avoid death by failed save.
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: littha on June 05, 2012, 09:14:05 PM
I generally prefer point buy rather than stat arrays. Personal preference and all but a solid 32/34/36 is generally pretty good.
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: VennDygrem on June 05, 2012, 09:51:33 PM
Throwing my hat in: I am ok with either of those options. :D
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: sirpercival on June 05, 2012, 10:28:30 PM
I tend to do the array but I'm okay with either.  Note that osle intentionally makes a lot of the monster classes MAD, so having nice ability scores would be... nice.

Anyone have a preference between Firre (which is about done) and Ethergaunt?
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: VennDygrem on June 05, 2012, 11:06:48 PM
I like the potential for group support from Firre Eladrin, as well as the potential to have a party face. Ethergaunt provides some traditional arcane casting, and the potential for diverse abilities depending on which schools you choose. They're both pretty useful. I'd like to see the Firre in play, but either would be fine.

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I see rules have been posted. Let's see...
What happened to starting at ECL 3? Was that just so people could play a decent monster before the monster classes were approved?
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: AlisAtAn on June 05, 2012, 11:10:07 PM
Char creation rules are here (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=5479.new#new), if I forgot anything, ask. Sorry about the delay, real life got in the way.

Starting ECL 1, I said 3 earlier because of how hard it is to create fun monsters on lvl 1. Osle`s stuff solves that, so you`ll start out... Weak.

32point buy and 2 flaws, since stat placement and feats are fun, and the only way to personalize your build on early levels...

Siper: That setup is fine. If anyone else wants to use his method instead of Myth-Weavers, feel free. Assuming that`s okay with him, ofcourse.  :P
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: VennDygrem on June 05, 2012, 11:12:48 PM
Hmm, I don't usually like starting that low given how slowly PbP progresses and how weak first level chars are, but I suppose it's workable.
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: littha on June 05, 2012, 11:18:44 PM
Guess we just have to hope against (un)lucky criticals then :D
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: VennDygrem on June 05, 2012, 11:19:33 PM
Or change to a monster that's immune to crits? :P
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: sirpercival on June 06, 2012, 07:32:20 AM
I like the potential for group support from Firre Eladrin, as well as the potential to have a party face. Ethergaunt provides some traditional arcane casting, and the potential for diverse abilities depending on which schools you choose. They're both pretty useful. I'd like to see the Firre in play, but either would be fine.

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I see rules have been posted. Let's see...
What happened to starting at ECL 3? Was that just so people could play a decent monster before the monster classes were approved?

Firre it is, then.  I was leaning toward that myself.
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: Wrex on June 07, 2012, 12:03:22 AM
There are a couple things i'm tempted to play:

Tsochar: Scout, with a limited polymorph gained at level two, and who later gets casting. Nice hit die, skill progressions, and natural weapons. Has fine manipulation. The stat bonuses don't match up with what they traditionally do (Multiclass into Sorc when they get strong enough. He recives an Int bonus rather than a Cha one), and unless I play a Tsochar Totemist, I won't be able to do the headcrab routine very often. Might work on a rogue-like class because of his excellent infiltration abilities. Has a climb speed, and combined with Hide and Move silently, can perform some hideous terrible things. Think Ezio meets the Xenomorph. It can also wear Three amulets, four bracers, and four rings, basically being made of arms and necks (It says this in LoM anyway. I would prefer regular body slots)

Mindflayer: Not that good as a caster, strangely. I was thinking of dipping for the tentacles and using it as part of one of  the Dicebag Psychic Charger builds that normally take Illithid grapple 4 times. If I level up far enough, I get a bunch of SLA's, but they really aren't useful. Illithid Warblade could be fun though.

Shoggoth: Swimming, water breathing, climbing, full BAB, heavy hitting natural attacks, fine manipulation. As I level up, I can cause insanity in nearby creatures (So obviously you all need Immune:Mind affecting if I go this route). Inflicts grapple that cannot be escaped, and then eats them.

Werewolf: I bite, things die. Also free werewolf leadership! We have a melee though.

Sarrukh:  :D

Ak-Chazar Rakshasa: For when leadership is not enough, you call the army of darkness. Turning, and 8/10 Sorc casting. Makes an ideal Necromancer. Basically dread necro, the monster. I tend to shatter games with this.

So! Take your votes ladies and gentlemen!

Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: AlisAtAn on June 07, 2012, 06:16:44 AM
Siper: I`m a big fan of the Firre, personally. A fiery, heavenly bard. Awesome.

Wrex: I say Tsochar. Makes for a totally different playing style, with all the disposable meatshields walking around.  I know it states Arcane/Divine, but if you wanna play a Totemist, I`d let you stack that with your racial progression instead.

Any suggestions for why such a rag-tag band would be travelling together? I`m not too rigid on your alignment matching the standard for your race, might make everyone`s life easier if you agree on going good or evil, both for story purposes, and RP.  Just a suggestion, though.  :cool
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: Daedroth on June 07, 2012, 08:17:04 AM
Im true neutral but im not comfortable with evil parties.

My character is a blacksmith trapped in an iron golem body, by the wayXD
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: VennDygrem on June 07, 2012, 08:40:09 AM
If I go with the Harssaf, they're "usually LE" so I can make him any alignment, but even if I choose LE, they're described as being not malicious or outwardly evil, just doing what they need to survive.

As for how we got together, I think some of that depends on the setting and world.
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: Wrex on June 07, 2012, 05:51:44 PM
Siper: I`m a big fan of the Firre, personally. A fiery, heavenly bard. Awesome.

Wrex: I say Tsochar. Makes for a totally different playing style, with all the disposable meatshields walking around.  I know it states Arcane/Divine, but if you wanna play a Totemist, I`d let you stack that with your racial progression instead.

Any suggestions for why such a rag-tag band would be travelling together? I`m not too rigid on your alignment matching the standard for your race, might make everyone`s life easier if you agree on going good or evil, both for story purposes, and RP.  Just a suggestion, though.  :cool

A Fair warning though: Tsochar are hungry for power. They also steal the spells of anyone they bodysnatch. That last one could be a doozy. Granted, I can't bypass FoM  :bigeyes. Osle generally lets grapples bypass it at 8HD or something similar, not sure why that isn't here... Ah well, I can just SoD and molest infest the paralyzed/Blinded/Stunned/Entangled guy.
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: sirpercival on June 07, 2012, 06:23:31 PM
Firre Eladrin it is, then.  Most definitely.

I'm going to be a little slow on the chargen, because I'm currently on vacation.
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: AlisAtAn on June 07, 2012, 09:00:08 PM
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A Fair warning though: Tsochar are hungry for power. They also steal the spells of anyone they bodysnatch. That last one could be a doozy. Granted, I can't bypass FoM  :bigeyes. Osle generally lets grapples bypass it at 8HD or something similar, not sure why that isn't here... Ah well, I can just SoD and molest infest the paralyzed/Blinded/Stunned/Entangled guy.

FoM = Freedom of Movement?  SoD?

I`m not too worried about you stealing spells, you only get what I choose to give you anyway. Also:
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Tsochar cannot regain spells or spell slots it expends from the dead character’s spellcasting ability.

As for getting access to sodomy patients, you could always play a Sorc specializing in disabling.  :D

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I'm going to be a little slow on the chargen, because I'm currently on vacation.

I know the feeling, I`m stuck using my girlfriends 2year old netbook for everything. Thank god for SRD and PDF backups.  :smirk
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: Wrex on June 07, 2012, 09:19:36 PM
SoD= Save or Die. Basically disabling spells. And FoM does equal freedom of movement.

So, I'll probably go into Sorc. Will find SOMETHING to do with that stupid int bonus, anyway.
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: sirpercival on June 09, 2012, 10:26:51 AM
Alis, do you mind if I use the Eberron Bard ACF that lets you trade out bardic music abilities for bonus bardic feats?  It doesn't matter now, but I'd be getting Song of the Heart at 3rd level instead of Inspire Competence.

EDIT: More questions!

How do you feel about homebrewed martial disciplines?
How do you feel about flaws from Dragon Mag?
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: AlisAtAn on June 10, 2012, 06:43:51 AM
Alis, do you mind if I use the Eberron Bard ACF that lets you trade out bardic music abilities for bonus bardic feats?  It doesn't matter now, but I'd be getting Song of the Heart at 3rd level instead of Inspire Competence.

EDIT: More questions!

How do you feel about homebrewed martial disciplines?
How do you feel about flaws from Dragon Mag?

Bard ACF is cool.

As for homebrew and Dragon Mag, I`d have to take it on a case by case basis. Can you link me to the martial discipline you`re interested in, and post the flaws?
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: Daedroth on June 10, 2012, 09:01:17 AM
What about that flaw?

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Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: sirpercival on June 10, 2012, 09:09:50 AM
Riven Hourglass (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220580) is the discipline, maybe others as I think of them.  I'm considering a swordsage dip.

Flaws: Fussy (http://realmshelps.net/cgi-bin/featbox.pl?feat=Fussy), Phantom Spark (http://realmshelps.net/cgi-bin/featbox.pl?feat=Phantom_Spark)

Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: AlisAtAn on June 13, 2012, 02:15:21 AM
Sorry for the long response time, real life...

Those are all cool.

And no need for backstories, I`m working on a more intricate campaign idea... Hint: No need for backstories, you`ll all start out with complete amnesia. So how`s everyone`s char sheets coming along?
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: littha on June 13, 2012, 08:59:16 AM
It was going pretty well until I saw that most players were evil and would likley not play well with a Solar. Not sure what to play at this point, possibly my very own Deathjack but I doubt we need another melee beatstick.
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: sirpercival on June 13, 2012, 09:34:36 AM
It was going pretty well until I saw that most players were evil and would likley not play well with a Solar. Not sure what to play at this point, possibly my very own Deathjack but I doubt we need another melee beatstick.

C'mon littha, we can be team Good Guys together!
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: VennDygrem on June 13, 2012, 01:59:22 PM
Actually, my character isn't functionally evil. He lives by a code of honor and ethics. He won't kill in cold blood, but he will kill if he needs to. In most circumstances he'll live by the law, though he does skirt the law at times. And he needn't even be evil at all.
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: Daedroth on June 13, 2012, 03:21:40 PM
Im neutral, but almost good.
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: Wrex on June 13, 2012, 06:36:45 PM
Handwave it. Planescape did it.


And I have new candidates!

Tsochar is still on the table.

Daelkyr (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=941.0): MuahahahahaHAHAHAAHAHAHA! The Surgeon from hell. I can spawn Alex Mercer for the hell of it. Point of fact, that's probably the character motivation right there: Why the hell not?

Awakened Basilisk (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=556.0): BFC! I shoot lazor beamsz out of my eyes, people suffer dex damage and collapse! What's not to love? Walking debuff machine. Obviously, since you people have eyes, I'll take carefull gaze to avoid mezzing you.

Gray Shiver (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1513.0) Fear the Bug Lich! FEAR HIS FUZZY BODY! Basically a Sorc. But it's a spider living in the skull of a lich!
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In addition, if it ever meets the ones who destroyed the lich to which its skull belonged, it must seek their doom! Long convoluted overcomplicated plans spanning years or more are optional to achieve this.
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: AlisAtAn on June 13, 2012, 09:18:20 PM
Handwave it. Planescape did it.

+1

Nothing wrong with a Neutral/Evil Solar far as I`m concerned. You`ll all start out with no memories of anything happening prior to the beginning of the campaign, so any angelic moral code/ethics would go out the window with everything else... And you wont lose your powers to some god`s whims, you`re empowered by your own inner strength (Dont remember what the fluff says about this, but that`s how I`m handling it).   :cool
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: VennDygrem on June 13, 2012, 09:54:40 PM
Yeah, you won't get the "Good" subtype until 2nd level anyway. :P

Regardless, there's nothing saying you can't be good in a party of mostly neutral characters. Or even evil characters! Perhaps you find yourself inexplicably compelled to dissuade the evil characters from performing evil deeds, and spend all your time teaching them how to be righteous and all that.
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: Wrex on June 13, 2012, 09:56:49 PM
I Think Awakened basilisk is the way to go. Strong BFC, something we lack. Plus, when I hit fifth level, I think I'll go into the Multiheaded creature PrC and become the Basilydra.
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: AlisAtAn on June 14, 2012, 03:38:28 AM
Handwave it. Planescape did it.

+1

Nothing wrong with a Neutral/Evil Solar far as I`m concerned. You`ll all start out with no memories of anything happening prior to the beginning of the campaign, so any angelic moral code/ethics would go out the window with everything else... And you wont lose your powers to some god`s whims, you`re empowered by your own inner strength (Dont remember what the fluff says about this, but that`s how I`m handling it).   :cool

Daedroth:

I love the part about being a blacksmith in a Iron Golem body. Will be interesting to see how you play that out with the amnesia. Frankenstein`s Monster had a nice twist to it... It discovered an affinity for certain tasks as it went along, like playing the flute.
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Swim: +5

Yeeeah, right. I would love to see 1ton of solid steel going for a morning swim. On the upside, you dont need to breath, so you can just walk, I guess... Unless its bottomless, ofcourse.  :smirk

Siper:

Are you sure you did the math correctly on your stats? I keep getting 30p.

Handwave it. Planescape did it.


And I have new candidates!

Tsochar is still on the table.

Daelkyr (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=941.0): MuahahahahaHAHAHAAHAHAHA! The Surgeon from hell. I can spawn Alex Mercer for the hell of it. Point of fact, that's probably the character motivation right there: Why the hell not?

Awakened Basilisk (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=556.0): BFC! I shoot lazor beamsz out of my eyes, people suffer dex damage and collapse! What's not to love? Walking debuff machine. Obviously, since you people have eyes, I'll take carefull gaze to avoid mezzing you.

Gray Shiver (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1513.0) Fear the Bug Lich! FEAR HIS FUZZY BODY! Basically a Sorc. But it's a spider living in the skull of a lich!
Also this:
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In addition, if it ever meets the ones who destroyed the lich to which its skull belonged, it must seek their doom! Long convoluted overcomplicated plans spanning years or more are optional to achieve this.

Basilisk seems like a one-trick pony... Looking at stuff has to get boring in the long run.

Of those, I`d say Daelkyr, tsochar, or Grey Shiver in order of awesomeness.
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: littha on June 14, 2012, 09:48:28 AM
I don't think Solars get their powers from a connection to a god anyway, there is one in the Elder Evils book serving a giant snake thing... Their major problem is that they are literally formed from Good and Law, though as above they can go evil.

Might try the whole fallen angel thing anyway, Evil Solar could be interesting.
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: Daedroth on June 14, 2012, 10:28:47 AM
But...we are not evilXD

Me-->N (almost NB)
sirpervival-->CG
Veen--> ¿LN?
Wrex-->Unknow
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: Wrex on June 15, 2012, 07:34:33 PM
It's tempting to take one level of Daelkyr for the corrupting touch, then go into unarmed swordsage and soul eater for the ultimate in stat eating monks, but I don;t think game balance takes to well towards that. I can already one shot any animal by punching it in the Int score anyways.

Edit: Taking Dalkyr 20. I can be the party skillmonky due to having eveyrthing as a class skill. Having never played a facotrum, not sure what to do. Any advice?
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: AlisAtAn on June 15, 2012, 11:38:39 PM
Quickdraw, improved initiative, skillfocus: Iajutsu, and max out Iajutsu every level. Profit.   :D
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: Wrex on June 15, 2012, 11:48:44 PM
That works perfectly with the scarab gauntlet. It creates throwing spikes I can draw as a free action, and can thus make iterative attacks with.

However....How am I making them flatfooted every round? Or am I simply expected to kill them in one shot? The Scarab gauntlet is a 2d6 throwing weapon, but I don't see that many one shots, even still.
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: VennDygrem on June 16, 2012, 12:26:15 AM
Wrex, take a look at Phaedrus's throwing-weapon based character from your game. He based it off a character I made up for a PbP a while ago, and it put out quite a bit of damage even without a 2d6 damage die. Mostly, the name of the game is adding as many damage boosts per attack as you can, and staying hidden from your enemies. Throw in some swordsage or just martial study, as there are some maneuvers that cause enemies to be flatfooted, or turn you invisible, etc.
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: Wrex on June 16, 2012, 12:44:29 AM
Heh, don't I know it.

Going for Martial Study: Cloak of Shadows. A cheap investment for a potentially lethal damage increase. And if you guys don't mind negative levels, I can always pass out some Scarab Gauntlets to you as well. It would also work pretty well with the Tentacle Lash, as I could IF it, and it channels my corrupting touch.

Other skillmonkey things that are neccesary? I bet someone can cast knock, so open lock probably isn't too useful.

Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: littha on June 16, 2012, 05:46:30 PM
Actually we are likley to be low on casters to cover that kind of thing. Monster classes are not know for their GOD powers, even the ones with casting.
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: Daedroth on June 16, 2012, 05:56:59 PM
knock?

Smashing Doors! XDDDDDDD

Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: Wrex on June 16, 2012, 06:55:08 PM
Hrm, true. Also wondering if we need a face character. Now, my guy needs Str, Con, and Int, but I'll have great skill points and all skills known. I think Sirp has the face charcter covered, but you never know. At fourth level, I get the option of either a Beholder or Mindflayer Cohort (If we want to change it, I can just rebuild him if he dies). Which would you prefer?
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: sirpercival on June 16, 2012, 08:44:16 PM
I've got Faciness covered:

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Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: Daedroth on July 04, 2012, 11:58:51 AM
Hi?
Title: Re: OOC Discussion
Post by: VennDygrem on July 04, 2012, 01:48:35 PM
Yeah, this sort of fell silent, didn't it?