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Title: OOC General
Post by: Skyrock on April 13, 2019, 10:26:05 AM
For all general OOC stuff for now.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Arccosecant on April 13, 2019, 05:18:28 PM
Hello, I am interested
& I would prefer CDTCT.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Skyrock on April 13, 2019, 05:26:56 PM
Welcome to the forums!

I think the Texas Chainsaw Christmas Tree Massacre has already been decided on :P

You may want to head to the Dice Rolling thread (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=18922.0) to roll your ability scores first (instructions here (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=631.0)), unless you are already dead-set on point-buy.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Raineh Daze on April 13, 2019, 05:30:46 PM
Well, anything but the fey one seems a bit weird for a possibly-teleporting mystical assassin type. Not sure how much the consorting has stopped... (https://dndtools.net/feats/book-of-exalted-deeds--52/nymphs-kiss--2073/)

Or how good aligned something that inhuman is in this sort of setting... :p
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Skyrock on April 13, 2019, 05:34:53 PM
As a Swordsage//Ninja you might also hail from the Jade Islands, and have consorted with their flavour of yokai "fey". Or be a native Krevbornite and have learned your invisibility tricks from your fey friends.

Either would be a terrific fit in the setting.

And yes, fey in Krevborna are not nice. Maybe not Evil as per the alignment, but at least dubious.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Raineh Daze on April 13, 2019, 05:38:01 PM
Faerie wives and their ilk like to recur across cultures, too. It's a useful motif.

Definitely more fun than an alcoholic or... non-murder-intervener.

I'm not sure I have it in me to ever play the latter idea as an adventurer without goint right into full Evil "I don't care"
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Skyrock on April 13, 2019, 05:42:45 PM
Read moar Spiderman :P That is pretty much his origin story.

Some may turn to evil on such an occasion, others go "Something something great power great responsibility".
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Raineh Daze on April 13, 2019, 05:46:51 PM
Yes, but with reluctance and a drive to avoid future death. Generally witnessing a crime you didn't stop does not drive you to take up a career involving routine murder. :P
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Arccosecant on April 13, 2019, 07:36:43 PM
A couple of questions:
1. Would I be able to use PsyWar's Soulbound Weapon ACF to qualify for Soulbow?
2. Given no multiclassing restrictions, am I able to take Tashalatora without Monastic Training?
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Archon on April 13, 2019, 10:11:23 PM
Hmm.
11/11/11/14/14/8, with spares 8/8/11. Dammit, looks like I'm going Point-buy. How many points?

(I have no intent to have a dark secret of any kind)

(Plus, Tier-assessment on that Maug and/or on RHD and LA for going the "Just take regular maug as one side of the gestalt?" Current thinking puts me at doing that +TOB and Paladin, maybe? Are we using the morality bit of being a paladin?)

(http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=586.0
http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=2767.0
http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=18075.msg326633#msg326633)
Also all tempt?
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Skyrock on April 13, 2019, 10:21:37 PM
1. Would I be able to use PsyWar's Soulbound Weapon ACF to qualify for Soulbow?
Soulbow calls very specifically for the Throw Mind Blade feature, which is tied to Soulknife 2 (and not covered by any PW level or ACF).
Given that Soulknife is Tier 5 (which can be paired with Psychic Warrior (T3) under my Partial Gestalt rules), you should yet have little trouble qualifying.

2. Given no multiclassing restrictions, am I able to take Tashalatora without Monastic Training?
Yes, Monastic Training would be superfluous. You can go straight to Tashalatora without feat tax.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Skyrock on April 13, 2019, 10:34:27 PM
Dammit, looks like I'm going Point-buy. How many points?
PB28

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(Plus, Tier-assessment on that Maug and/or on RHD and LA for going the "Just take regular maug as one side of the gestalt?" Current thinking puts me at doing that +TOB and Paladin, maybe? Are we using the morality bit of being a paladin?)
I see no Maug in your links below, so I have no idea.

Paladin CoC is heavily relaxed under my house rules:
  • Paladins can deviate by one category from their default alignment, like Clerics. Violations of their Code of Conduct only matter if they are severe and/or regular enough to move their alignment outside of this space.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Arccosecant on April 13, 2019, 10:36:11 PM
Ah, actually I was just reminded of the Soulknife PrC from Dark Sun. Would you allow it in place of the regular Soulknife?
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Skyrock on April 13, 2019, 10:39:45 PM
Ah, actually I was just reminded of the Soulknife PrC from Dark Sun. Would you allow it in place of the regular Soulknife?
Have no access to any version of it, so mind to link me to one or PM the class write-up?
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Arccosecant on April 13, 2019, 10:42:55 PM
It's available here (http://athas.org/products/prc1).
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Skyrock on April 13, 2019, 10:54:44 PM
It's available here (http://athas.org/products/prc1).
Seems fine to me, and also around Tier 5. (Good BAB is an upgrade to Soulknife, but with Psychic Strike still eating Full Attacks through move actions unless radical counter-measures are taken it does not really move it up a tier.)
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Archon on April 13, 2019, 11:20:15 PM
http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=1877.0 and/or the monster in fiend folio this is based on.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Arccosecant on April 14, 2019, 12:05:26 AM
It's available here (http://athas.org/products/prc1).
Seems fine to me, and also around Tier 5. (Good BAB is an upgrade to Soulknife, but with Psychic Strike still eating Full Attacks through move actions unless radical counter-measures are taken it does not really move it up a tier.)
The other difference is that the total enhancement of mind blade increase every 2 levels instead of every 4.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Raineh Daze on April 14, 2019, 03:24:59 AM
Hm. Are we applying some sort of fix/cleaning up to Unarmed Swordsage so it actually does what it's meant to? IIRC, the book version somewhat fails at the unarmed part (I think also unarmoured, but that shouldn't stack with CA Ninja's AC bonus anyway).
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: oslecamo on April 14, 2019, 04:00:31 AM
Humbly requesting a half beast (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=11209.msg332430#msg332430) youkaiskin (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=18908.0) with Dream Battle (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=4844.0) and Fate of 60 years (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=17583.msg313892#msg313892). Fluff would be a werewolf of sorts that seeks to redeem her "sin" by seeking and punishing other sinners in the name of the one true god. There was mentioned an organization of "good" werewolves seeking redemption right?

EDIT: And if approved, what could I gestalt with?
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Skyrock on April 14, 2019, 11:57:42 AM
I will look over the monster classes later to do an appraisal.

Hm. Are we applying some sort of fix/cleaning up to Unarmed Swordsage so it actually does what it's meant to? IIRC, the book version somewhat fails at the unarmed part (I think also unarmoured, but that shouldn't stack with CA Ninja's AC bonus anyway).
What exactly are you missing?

My ruling is: Unarmed damage and Improved Unarmed Strike as a monk, and AC Bonus gets moved to lvl 1. Swordsage levels count as and stack with monk and monk-likes for the purpose of advancing unarmed damage and AC.

Also Swordsages (both regular and unarmed) benefit from their AC Bonus even without armor.

And x6 skills at 1st level is a typo  :P
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Skyrock on April 14, 2019, 01:58:22 PM
http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=1877.0 and/or the monster in fiend folio this is based on.
Maug looks fine to me. I would evaluate it as Tier 4.

Humbly requesting a half beast (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=11209.msg332430#msg332430) youkaiskin (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=18908.0) with Dream Battle (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=4844.0) and Fate of 60 years (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=17583.msg313892#msg313892). Fluff would be a werewolf of sorts that seeks to redeem her "sin" by seeking and punishing other sinners in the name of the one true god. There was mentioned an organization of "good" werewolves seeking redemption right?

EDIT: And if approved, what could I gestalt with?
Looks also fine to me. I would rate Yokaiskin as Tier 3.

And yes, there is such a group, the Wolves of the Holy Throne.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Skyrock on April 15, 2019, 02:46:40 PM
Copypasting homebrew base class evaluations from the Discord for posterity and re-finding them easier:

Commander (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=16730.0) looks like a Marshal/Dragon Shaman with added light minionmancy and magic via cohort foci. Being limited to lvl2 spells, but potentially great action economy. I think Tier 3 is right.
Walker in the Wastes (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=16817.0) is like Druid, but without the animal companion, more limited wildshaping, and a narrower spell list. I think that is enough to get it down to Tier 2.
Chameleon base class (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=16232.0) seems most comparable to Factotum - can do a lot of things, but not all at once. Spellcasting progression is slightly slower, but with a broader selection and without the limitations of the Arcane Dilettante pseudo-casting. T3 should fit it.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Nanshork on April 15, 2019, 05:44:19 PM
So, what all are people playing? I'm going back to my fallback of waiting to see what roles need to be filled.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Raineh Daze on April 15, 2019, 06:21:40 PM
Either human or Snow Elf Unarmed Swordsage//CA Ninja. Lots of skillpoints and stealth.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: oslecamo on April 15, 2019, 10:42:29 PM
Youkaiskin probably with Monk, close in fast and tear stuff in melee, also some stealth. Strongly tempted to don't take any natural weapons and rely on lots of unarmed strikes, using Youkaiskin for utility/pounce/speed, fluffwise my character would consider it "unclean" to use her teeth and claws in combat. Also that Shadow Hand feat to get Dex to damage with unarmed strikes.
...
And now I realize that may be stepping quite a bit in Raineh's toes, so maybe I'll fallback to pseudo werewolf Inquisitor with lots of natural weapons, get something with armor in the other side of my gestalt, pump my AC really high to be a big scary tank with White Raven and assorted support.

Also for my backstory's dark secret I was planning the killing of my parent was a mercy kill, something father was a monster and mother was a normal human but they truly loved each other, then one day father went out of control due to corruption or something and her own daughter had to stop him, then vowing to hunt monsters out of control everywhere. Most people know she started her career by killing a nasty monster, but nobody besides mom knows that said monster was her own father.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Archon on April 15, 2019, 11:21:34 PM
Uh, something weird. Maug//Paladin for 2-3 levels, then something else, is what I'm looking at now. But strength and front-lining, I think, with a holy kinda asthetic. For fluff, I'm thinking, as I said, as being a big ole' bit of gothic masonry which has decided that the world isn't going to fix itself, and that it needs to be a guardian of what it can. (with a melancholy feel to it, rather than a heroic feel)

Could I get a tier assessment on

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?120539-Complete-(-)-Martial-(or-yet-another-ToB-homebrew)-The-Blademaster-(base-class)
and
http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=586.0

As possibilities?

(And I guess by implication of cha-to-everything, also a bit of party face? Certainly, in the sense of facade)
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Archon on April 16, 2019, 02:19:58 AM
(Also, re: Technicalities in the Maug class; does "Proficiency in all Armour" include Exotic Super-heavy plate? And I think that you get immunity to fear from being a construct, but I'm not certain of it?)
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: oslecamo on April 16, 2019, 02:41:48 AM
All fear attacks are mind-affecting fear effects (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#fear), and so immunity to mind-affecting automatically covers immunity to Fear too.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Arccosecant on April 16, 2019, 04:11:51 AM
So, what all are people playing? I'm going back to my fallback of waiting to see what roles need to be filled.

Psychic Warrior//Soulbow. Aiming for Wis to everything. Possibly going into Sanctified Mind later for backstory reasons.

Fluff: Someone who had suffered a mental breakdown in the past and was institutionalized (dark secret). After rehabilitation and a period of intense disciplined training, scraps of memory began to surface of a psionic attacker who had erased and rewritten a large portion of memory, and who was responsible for the "breakdown". Now seeking retribution against the individual or organization who had done this, and to protect others from malign psychic influence.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Skyrock on April 16, 2019, 03:29:30 PM
Approved:
Races:
- Lesser Aasimar
- Lesser Planetouched in general

Classes:
- Warlock (MammonAzrael Rewrite) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?226021-The-Warlock-a-massive-rewrite-3-5-Base-Class-WIP&p=12388325#post12388325) - heritages limited to Aberrant (GOO), Demonic, Infernal and Fey

Skills:
- Warcraft (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=16857.0) (applications will get dumped into Knowledge (history))

And now I realize that may be stepping quite a bit in Raineh's toes, so maybe I'll fallback to pseudo werewolf Inquisitor with lots of natural weapons, get something with armor in the other side of my gestalt, pump my AC really high to be a big scary tank with White Raven and assorted support.
Up to Raineh. There are situations where two sneaks are better than one, and Swordsage has some abilities that rely heavily on flanking.

Also for my backstory's dark secret I was planning the killing of my parent was a mercy kill, something father was a monster and mother was a normal human but they truly loved each other, then one day father went out of control due to corruption or something and her own daughter had to stop him, then vowing to hunt monsters out of control everywhere. Most people know she started her career by killing a nasty monster, but nobody besides mom knows that said monster was her own father.
Dark secrets work better when there isn't a single point of failure. Some suggestions for making it more applicable:
1.) Mom was one of those naive romantics who have their ax crazy, monstrous relative locked up in the attic (a common Gothic trope) in the deluded hope that there might be a cure and/or that they are not really evil. Now she accuses you having ruined it all, and is possibly looking for a way to bring Daddy back.
2.) Daddy left a re-transformed corpse (a common lycanthrope trope), and not everyone bought your monster story. Some people are still itching to step through your door with a gun in their hand and bring you to what they consider to be justice.

Could I get a tier assessment on

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?120539-Complete-(-)-Martial-(or-yet-another-ToB-homebrew)-The-Blademaster-(base-class)
and
http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=586.0

As possibilities?
Blademaster is T3 - pretty much on par with other initiators. For Stone Dragon Blademasters an argument for T4 could be made since that school is so easily disabled.

Angel is T1. The closest comparable classes are Favoured Soul and Spontaneous Cleric, and Angel leaves them far behind with its boatload of extra SLAs and other features.

(Also, re: Technicalities in the Maug class; does "Proficiency in all Armour" include Exotic Super-heavy plate? And I think that you get immunity to fear from being a construct, but I'm not certain of it?)
Looking at other classes that seems to be a case of bad wording. Fighter as the classic all armor class for example specifically spells out "all armor (heavy, medium, and light) and shields (including tower shields)". So no, exotic armors are not automatically included.

As Oslecamo already said, fear is already covered under the mind-affecting immunity.

Fluff: Someone who had suffered a mental breakdown in the past and was institutionalized (dark secret). After rehabilitation and a period of intense disciplined training, scraps of memory began to surface of a psionic attacker who had erased and rewritten a large portion of memory, and who was responsible for the "breakdown". Now seeking retribution against the individual or organization who had done this, and to protect others from malign psychic influence.
Amnesia is a very classic Gothic trope :D Generally more from freak accidents and/or horrible encounters, but some psionic mesmerist purposefully creating it is also a good fit.
Commonly leads up to hijinx about re-appearing heirs claiming their rightful inheritances, busted engagements with the old fiancee partycrashing the marriage ceremony in the last minute and the like.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Raineh Daze on April 16, 2019, 05:40:19 PM
I'd rather avoid doubling up on the unarmed stealthy maneuver-user.

Though Swordsage is less about using flanking (Assassin's Stance is the one-off for that) and more about making it because of Island of Blades. But that requires a literal second sneak-attacker to be useful.

I'm more about flatfooted. :lmao
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: skydragonknight on April 16, 2019, 07:04:19 PM
I can blind them with science magic?
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Raineh Daze on April 16, 2019, 07:05:24 PM
Heh, I have a few ways to get flat-footed on my own, but more are always welcome. Precision damage on maneuvers...  :smirk
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: oslecamo on April 16, 2019, 10:22:42 PM
Also for my backstory's dark secret I was planning the killing of my parent was a mercy kill, something father was a monster and mother was a normal human but they truly loved each other, then one day father went out of control due to corruption or something and her own daughter had to stop him, then vowing to hunt monsters out of control everywhere. Most people know she started her career by killing a nasty monster, but nobody besides mom knows that said monster was her own father.
Dark secrets work better when there isn't a single point of failure. Some suggestions for making it more applicable:
1.) Mom was one of those naive romantics who have their ax crazy, monstrous relative locked up in the attic (a common Gothic trope) in the deluded hope that there might be a cure and/or that they are not really evil. Now she accuses you having ruined it all, and is possibly looking for a way to bring Daddy back.
2.) Daddy left a re-transformed corpse (a common lycanthrope trope), and not everyone bought your monster story. Some people are still itching to step through your door with a gun in their hand and bring you to what they consider to be justice.

That sounds a bit unfair, my character being forced to kill her own father already sounds like a pretty big failure. She deeply loved and trusted him, so seeing him go corrupted was pretty heart breaking on its own, killing him scarred her own soul, and she'll always blame herself for not finding a better solution other than taking him out with her own teeth. Plus mom could be "I'm not angry with you sweetie, just disapointed", and/or reduced to a shadow of her former self now that her beloved husband's gone, which may hurt my character even more than psycho mom out for revenge against her own daughter. Doubly so when everybody remembers dad as some horrible monster that only deserved death and they must both smile and nod when other people talk about it. Although thinking about it now mom descending into darkness/madness looking for a way to bring dad back does sound like an interesting plot point "we'll be one happy family again!" so my character has to keep an eye in her.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Nanshork on April 17, 2019, 10:57:33 AM
I am thinking about dropping out of this game, I don't know if I have the time to learn the house rules and get a character up in a reasonable amount of time.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Skyrock on April 17, 2019, 02:06:13 PM
That sounds a bit unfair, my character being forced to kill her own father already sounds like a pretty big failure. She deeply loved and trusted him, so seeing him go corrupted was pretty heart breaking on its own, killing him scarred her own soul, and she'll always blame herself for not finding a better solution other than taking him out with her own teeth. Plus mom could be "I'm not angry with you sweetie, just disapointed", and/or reduced to a shadow of her former self now that her beloved husband's gone, which may hurt my character even more than psycho mom out for revenge against her own daughter. Doubly so when everybody remembers dad as some horrible monster that only deserved death and they must both smile and nod when other people talk about it. Although thinking about it now mom descending into darkness/madness looking for a way to bring dad back does sound like an interesting plot point "we'll be one happy family again!" so my character has to keep an eye in her.
Dark Secrets are not about how much grief they may have caused in the past - they are about the present and future and especially what trouble they may get you in, typically by people who strongly disagree with your past actions. That makes dark secrets that have largely been resolved and have little risk of getting leaked not very good.

Mommy looking for a way to re-create one happy family again is a much better angle. There are plenty of crazy scientists with lightning rods, mediums, devils offering deals involving dolls (http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/misfits/devildoll.html) and other unwholesome people one can run into on such a quest, all of them eager to help for a price.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Skyrock on April 18, 2019, 03:33:00 PM
More approved items from Discord:

- Angel (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=586.0) class is T3 if reduced to Bard spell progression
- Falling Star (https://web.archive.org/web/20100618124009/http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19527602/Falling_Star_style:_the_Tenth_Path_of_the_Sublime_Way) martial school
- Serenity feat
- Practiced Mind Blade feat
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Arccosecant on April 18, 2019, 06:13:01 PM
Here (https://pastebin.com/JyAUTPxB) is the psionic Abjurant Champion.
Changed prerequisite feat to Skill Focus (Concentration), added Autohypnosis as a class skill, and changed the boost bonus from insight to competence (because the insight bonuses would be easier to come by with the precognition powers than with spells).

...and one other thing. I almost forgot that Shiba Protector is 3.0; would it be allowed?
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Skyrock on April 18, 2019, 06:43:22 PM
Here (https://pastebin.com/JyAUTPxB) is the psionic Abjurant Champion.
Changed prerequisite feat to Skill Focus (Concentration), added Autohypnosis as a class skill, and changed the boost bonus from insight to competence (because the insight bonuses would be easier to come by with the precognition powers than with spells).
Looks good.

However, keep in mind that Chopping down the Christmas Tree already brings permanent competence bonuses on all Psychic Boost entries but resistances.

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...and one other thing. I almost forgot that Shiba Protector is 3.0; would it be allowed?
Shiba Protector is fine. As for all PrCs tier evaluation will depend on entryway.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Arccosecant on April 18, 2019, 06:50:19 PM
Yes, I do remember that. Actually meant to ask about that too: is that bonus supposed to scale based on total non-RHD levels, or only on the highest-leveled class?
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Skyrock on April 18, 2019, 06:59:03 PM
It scales based on character level. RHD and combined class levels both enter that sum.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Arccosecant on April 19, 2019, 02:08:31 AM
Hmm, on second thought, I might want to just stick with the vanilla options of Combat Manifestation as prerequisite and insight bonus for boost. Competence bonus on energy resistance does seem a tad strange.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: oslecamo on April 19, 2019, 02:21:06 AM
That sounds a bit unfair, my character being forced to kill her own father already sounds like a pretty big failure. She deeply loved and trusted him, so seeing him go corrupted was pretty heart breaking on its own, killing him scarred her own soul, and she'll always blame herself for not finding a better solution other than taking him out with her own teeth. Plus mom could be "I'm not angry with you sweetie, just disapointed", and/or reduced to a shadow of her former self now that her beloved husband's gone, which may hurt my character even more than psycho mom out for revenge against her own daughter. Doubly so when everybody remembers dad as some horrible monster that only deserved death and they must both smile and nod when other people talk about it. Although thinking about it now mom descending into darkness/madness looking for a way to bring dad back does sound like an interesting plot point "we'll be one happy family again!" so my character has to keep an eye in her.
Dark Secrets are not about how much grief they may have caused in the past - they are about the present and future and especially what trouble they may get you in, typically by people who strongly disagree with your past actions. That makes dark secrets that have largely been resolved and have little risk of getting leaked not very good.

Mommy looking for a way to re-create one happy family again is a much better angle. There are plenty of crazy scientists with lightning rods, mediums, devils offering deals involving dolls (http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/misfits/devildoll.html) and other unwholesome people one can run into on such a quest, all of them eager to help for a price.

Ok, I'm good with Mommy wanting to bring back daddy no matter how unholy the proccess would be. We can even set up a series where every week dear mother tries something even more horrifying. "Moooomm don't do dark pacts to bring dad back when other people are watching!"

Also since there already seems to be a tank and sneaky stabber, could I use the Yama (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=17583.msg313891#msg313891) prc that's connected to Fate of 60 Years to go full inquisitor?
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Skyrock on April 19, 2019, 07:20:55 AM
Also since there already seems to be a tank and sneaky stabber, could I use the Yama (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=17583.msg313891#msg313891) prc that's connected to Fate of 60 Years to go full inquisitor?
Couple of mechanical problems:

1.) It re-introduces the banned Leadership feat through the backdoor. (I had previously OKed it for Strat's Commander (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=16730.0) class because it limits itself to a small number of Commoners and comes with very little active abilities of its own other than the Foci it grants its minions.) There would be some serious nerfbatting to do.

2.) It is strange that a PrC that prides itself on judging is clueless about Knowledge (local) with its topics of laws, customs, traditions :P

Fluffwise, there would be lots to do to fit Yama into the setting.
Devils in Krevborna are not part of the natural order - they are fallen angels who have rebelled against that order, and arisen again incorporally to corrupt and tempt humans into spiritual sins. There isn't much judging to do - a sinner's soul will fall down into the Chthonic Pits and reform into a new fiend on its own.
Feys also have a hierarchy of their own led by the Archfey (comparable to Archdevils in power) and their own different, game plan to harm humanity (bring down civilization and reduce mankind again to the state of the savage animal), so they would be extremely unlikely to end up as infernal thralls.

The easiest way of adapting this would be a celestial adaption. The angelic Silver Choir is tasked with forging divine weapons and goods (and would therefore be a logical source of rods and crystal mirrors), while on the worldly side the order of St. Vashtina is tasked with justice and judgement.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Nanshork on April 19, 2019, 10:33:33 AM
I'm going to officially drop out of this, you've got enough players for me to not feel bad.

Sorry.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: oslecamo on April 19, 2019, 11:26:07 PM
Also since there already seems to be a tank and sneaky stabber, could I use the Yama (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=17583.msg313891#msg313891) prc that's connected to Fate of 60 Years to go full inquisitor?
Couple of mechanical problems:

1.) It re-introduces the banned Leadership feat through the backdoor. (I had previously OKed it for Strat's Commander (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=16730.0) class because it limits itself to a small number of Commoners and comes with very little active abilities of its own other than the Foci it grants its minions.) There would be some serious nerfbatting to do.
Fair enough, although I would argue it's already a nerfed version of Leadership since it's limited to a bunch of classes and races whitout any fullcaster option.

If that other class is limiting itself to commoners, I would be happy with just Oni, fairy and Shinigami commoners for the Yama's Ministry of What's Right and what's Wrong. How does that sound?

2.) It is strange that a PrC that prides itself on judging is clueless about Knowledge (local) with its topics of laws, customs, traditions :P

That's actually intended:
Quote from: Eiki Shiki
The law is decided by humans.
Sins that cannot be judged by laws are judged by me.

A Yama is precisely meant judge the cases when puny flawed mortals laws aren't enough!

Fluffwise, there would be lots to do to fit Yama into the setting.
Devils in Krevborna are not part of the natural order - they are fallen angels who have rebelled against that order, and arisen again incorporally to corrupt and tempt humans into spiritual sins. There isn't much judging to do - a sinner's soul will fall down into the Chthonic Pits and reform into a new fiend on its own.
Actually, one of the Yama's hobbies jobs is precisely finding and lecturing sinful people before they die to try to get them to repent and so avoid them getting some horrible fate in the afterlife like turning in an infernal, so I think that part fits quite nicely, even it would make it basically impossible to get devil bureaucrats, ah well.

Feys also have a hierarchy of their own led by the Archfey (comparable to Archdevils in power) and their own different, game plan to harm humanity (bring down civilization and reduce mankind again to the state of the savage animal), so they would be extremely unlikely to end up as infernal thralls.
Ah, but they do have a hierarchy and their own agenda, so we could always fluff it as corrupt deals/exchanges. The Archfey could be lending some fairies to work for the Ministry of What's Right and what's Wrong as part of negotiations (you close the eyes to X and you'll fet Y fairy workers) and spies/infiltrators. Remember, the Ministry of What's Right and what's Wrong is often overburdened with work thanks to all the sin in the world so they can't be very picky about who they hire.

The easiest way of adapting this would be a celestial adaption. The angelic Silver Choir is tasked with forging divine weapons and goods (and would therefore be a logical source of rods and crystal mirrors), while on the worldly side the order of St. Vashtina is tasked with justice and judgement.

Silver Choir seems like it would be a nice addition, but still a key aspect is that the Ministry of What's Right and what's Wrong is meant to act between Heaven and Hell. And from the fluff sources here it says:

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When the righteous slip from this mortal coil they climb the Holy Mountain to find their heavenly home in the afterlife. The souls of sinners descend into the depths of the torturous underworld.
So there is some kind of heaven and hell already. And somebody needs to define what is a sin and what is righteous. Enter the Ministry of What's Right and what's Wrong. Which isn't perfect leading to the next bit of fluff:

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The gates that lead to the Holy Mountain are closed. The souls of virtuous warriors gather upon the fields of Isgard to wage a final apocalyptic battle against the darkness. Other souls are doomed to wander the earth without aim.
Somebody needs to decide who's virtuous enough and when to close/open the gates. So when the Ministry of What's Right and what's Wrong doesn't do their job properly they just go "Yeah sorry heaven's full at the moment" while wandering souls are those in the "waiting line" and/or that simply got lost in the bureaucracy cracks "You'll need to travel to place A to get formulary Z".
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Skyrock on April 20, 2019, 12:12:07 PM
Ah, but they do have a hierarchy and their own agenda, so we could always fluff it as corrupt deals/exchanges. The Archfey could be lending some fairies to work for the Ministry of What's Right and what's Wrong as part of negotiations (you close the eyes to X and you'll fet Y fairy workers) and spies/infiltrators.
There is actually one fairy court that would go nicely with that idea, that of the Mountain Lord:
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  • Emboldens mortals to join the Wild Hunt against those who have offended the fey
  • Portrayed as an arboreal man with antlers wearing furs
If that other class is limiting itself to commoners, I would be happy with just Oni, fairy and Shinigami commoners for the Yama's Ministry of What's Right and what's Wrong. How does that sound?
That's a bit too harsh. I'd say one cohort of any T5/6 class, while the followers are limited to Commoner levels.

Shinigami are easy enough to work in fluffwise (psychopomps are a thing world-wide, and the gothic grim reaper is similar enough).
Fairies are already covered above.
Oni could be reflavoured as Satyrs, with a type change to fey. (The monkey statue (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cercopes#Mythology) and beans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoreanism#Vegetarianism) vulnerabilities would still work.)

I'd also be open to other LA+0 races. Lesser Aasimar would be an obvious good fit.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: skydragonknight on April 21, 2019, 09:17:19 AM
Added a character sheet. Still room for a few adjustments and need to look over how to spend WBL. I can auto-succeed at using wands, so they are a strong possibility.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: oslecamo on April 21, 2019, 09:34:55 AM
Ah, but they do have a hierarchy and their own agenda, so we could always fluff it as corrupt deals/exchanges. The Archfey could be lending some fairies to work for the Ministry of What's Right and what's Wrong as part of negotiations (you close the eyes to X and you'll fet Y fairy workers) and spies/infiltrators.
There is actually one fairy court that would go nicely with that idea, that of the Mountain Lord:
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  • Emboldens mortals to join the Wild Hunt against those who have offended the fey
  • Portrayed as an arboreal man with antlers wearing furs
If that other class is limiting itself to commoners, I would be happy with just Oni, fairy and Shinigami commoners for the Yama's Ministry of What's Right and what's Wrong. How does that sound?
That's a bit too harsh. I'd say one cohort of any T5/6 class, while the followers are limited to Commoner levels.

Shinigami are easy enough to work in fluffwise (psychopomps are a thing world-wide, and the gothic grim reaper is similar enough).
Fairies are already covered above.
Oni could be reflavoured as Satyrs, with a type change to fey. (The monkey statue (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cercopes#Mythology) and beans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagoreanism#Vegetarianism) vulnerabilities would still work.)

I'd also be open to other LA+0 races. Lesser Aasimar would be an obvious good fit.

Yay! Onis as satyrs in particular fits surprisingly well with both being horny and loving booze.

Character sheet (https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1891092) still pretty WIP.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Skyrock on April 21, 2019, 12:07:23 PM
Character sheet (https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1891092) still pretty WIP.
I should note that dragons in Krevborna are generally evil embodiments of sins. But then there are theologians who argue that dragons exist as a scourge that punishes mankind for its moral outrages, and your character generally seems to turn out more and more as the "If the abyss gazes long into you, YOU will gaze back into the abyss" type.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Raineh Daze on April 21, 2019, 08:28:48 PM
Stats done. Now just to fluff/find appearance/add in some random miscellaneous items.

EDIT: But for appearance and some minor magical items, done. Naturally, her fey companion is the standard yuki-onna because I really need to do the snow thing to death.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Stratovarius on April 22, 2019, 11:17:32 AM
Just throwing this out there, but if anyone wants to weigh in on the Aura choices for the Commander, now would probably be the time to do so.

And gear suggestions are most welcome too.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Skyrock on April 22, 2019, 12:55:29 PM
Have statted up Raineh's consort as a lvl2 NPC follower using Osle's monster class.
She's obviously not optimized for adventuring (and should be kept far away from anything dangerous).

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Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Archon on April 23, 2019, 01:02:17 AM
Urgh - now the hard question - do I take the stone-spitter because it's a good ranged option, or do I not take it because it spoils the angel-statue-in-heavy-plate aesthetic to have a welded-in sniper rifle.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Archon on April 23, 2019, 09:14:57 AM
Okay, sheet done, I think.

Ought I put up the math that lead to my ability scores?
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Stratovarius on April 24, 2019, 09:57:09 AM
Think I'm completely done now, and ready to diplomance things.  :lol
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Skyrock on April 24, 2019, 06:53:52 PM
I think I have found now a way to herd the cats and tie together their backgrounds, and sally forth to an adventure where they can work together as a more than less coherent group.
Once all characters are finished, we can begin for real.

Lobinha:
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Maxim:
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Mist:
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Tr'Bon Karlat:
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Yuki:
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Zadkiel:
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Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Stratovarius on April 25, 2019, 10:20:42 AM
I'd say unless we were dropping straight into combat, we can probably get started with the IC talking. We're probably ready enough background wise for that.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Skyrock on April 25, 2019, 02:56:17 PM
I'd say unless we were dropping straight into combat, we can probably get started with the IC talking. We're probably ready enough background wise for that.
Here you go. (http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=18932.0)
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Skyrock on April 28, 2019, 05:56:54 PM
FYI, Strat is dropping out of the game. Just pretend that his character never was there.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: skydragonknight on May 15, 2019, 10:42:45 AM
So, cover story time (while the DM is dying of illness)!

What do you think is interesting but won't attract a ton of attention? Or just bribe the guards and be done with it? I am pretty confident my character can talk their way in with her Bluff modifier, but dragging others in with her would be harder...Can probably still manage a "The bluff is a little hard to believe or puts the target at some risk" though.
Title: Re: OOC General
Post by: Raineh Daze on May 19, 2019, 10:29:35 AM
Just express genuine interest in the profession on offer.